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AntiChristian:
Ehn ehn! Can't i quote you? You mentioned Muslim/Qu'ran first! Did i first mention your cult Jehovah witnesses?

The discussion here is about the meaning of the name "JESUS" the OP asked and logically it has nothing to do with a Muslim who doesn't have anything to do with that name. Despite this i mind my own business because you're the one who knows what is making you go after Churchgoers always.
So it's wrong for you to have quoted and disturbed me since you have no answer to the question!

HardMirror:
I dont care who or what he is. I am not his follower, all I know is what he was posting helped me to see that my religion was and is a lie. Na that one concern me

See the stupidity of the highest order!
So because you now know that your religion is a lie that equally makes all other religions lies as well shey?

It's a product of false religion!
Jesus said: "by their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18

When Jesus returned in 1914 and began doing what he did in the first century only a group of people in the US grasped what was happening back then.
Today Jesus has built this group to the extent that faithless individuals are uncomfortable to stay with Jesus' group {Psalms 24:3-4} instead of leaving the group they're roaming around spiritually but they can't find a better performing group so they're crying day and night behind the walls of Jesus' Holy City (pure worship)
Feminism came with Satan as another religion standing alongside countless sects claiming denominations of freedom fighters. To many these women are fighting for prejudice against the female gender, they are free to practice such in many religions but never on God's Holy mountain 'JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES'
In our midst the females know they must remain silent until they're permitted to speak {1Corinthians 14:34-35; Ephesians 5:24; 1Timothy 2:11-13} ordinary praying no woman can lead a man on God's Holy Mountain! 1Corinthians 11:3

So the world may be having issues with their females but within God's own people both the males and females humbly accepted Jesus' order so each of us is battling with their dirty robes trying to make it clean in the blood of the lamb {Revelations 7:14} but we are all obediently following those taking the lead in our midst as God's word says! Hebrews 13:7, 17
So despite our imperfection LOVE, JOY, PEACE PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL is working in the gathering of God's people! Galatians 5:22-23

ifyken:
Lordreed,budatuum,hardmirror,khiaa,maxindhouse,dtruthspeaker etc. It is most likely that we will not agree to each other opposing believes and that at the end of the day we will all sleep as we woke up, atheist and christains. None of us will change,this whole discussion will turn out to be a waste of time

They are empty headed but seeing themselves as knowledgeable!

RussellRutherfo:
To stay forever as a member of the Witchtower Babble Lies Society is to blaspheme God so No. You are rather worshipping Satan but think you are worshipping God.

Excellent!
So in a nutshell you're not worshiping the same God with members of the Watchtower, shey?

You don't have any problem!

Definitely any sane human should be able to respond without hesitating if asked "are you worshiping the same God with JWs?" if such a person knew so much like this.

Thanks for confirming that the one who failed to reply negatively to that question despite all his criticism against JWs is MAD!

AntiChristian:
Abeg leave me alone and answer the OP.
If you don't know the answer just say you don't know!
Afterall, even Jesus doesn't know everything from your Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
"Jesus"
Meaning
"Jehovah is Salvation"

That's the answer, i never mentioned you Mr Muslim, you quoted me!

HardMirror:
look around you, which countries have the lowest crime rate? They have very very low number of Christian's and muslims. While countries like the United states and nigeria and south Africa have high crime rates

This is why i pity you because you don't know what is happening and those professors who have nothing to offer are matching you all into blind arguments.

Well the Bible is not to be forced on anyone but those willingly surrendering to the truth in God's word will connect themselves throughout the world. They will not raise weapons against their fellowman neither will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4
When such a thing happens then it's certain that everything the author of that book (Bible) said will surely be fulfilled.
The God of the Bible is gathering His subjects throughout the world, in the world's richest country, poorest country, religious country, non-religious country. Whether the crime rate is high or low God's Holy Spirit is gathering faithful people throughout the world and training them ahead for His coming government. Matthew 6:10
So go and tell all your professors that God's Kingdom is fast approaching and when the anointed King (Jesus Christ) comes he will exterminate all those opposing his rulership! Luke 19:27
It is certain that God's Kingdom is coming, His people are fully prepared to welcome His government but all those ignorant, fearful, liars and all others will be exterminated. Not because anything you are doing can't be undone by God but because you won't be useful in His Kingdom and you will continue to constitute nuisance around His people! Revelations 21:8

AntiChristian:
Sorry sir, the thread no be about Qu'ran but you not even knowing what Jesus means in English.
Since you have nothing tangible to offer than to refer to the Qu'ran you were ignorant of before!

You came to a thread that has nothing to do with your Qu'ran, to question asked you have no answer and you want to argue.
Wahala dey for Muslims o!

AntiChristian:
Not Jehovah sir!
Jesus! How was the name derived?
What's its origin?

Did you understand what you're quoting at all?

The OP wants to know the MEANING of the name "JESUS" and i presented the answer so allow anyone who is truly interested in that name. Jesus is not an Arabian meaning his name has nothing to do with your Qu'ran!

I will throw my Bible away if you can present a group helping people in their neighbourhood to erase politics and racism from their hearts.
Because that's the only reason why people are killing people conscientiously!

HISSCRIBE1995:
May you also not receive condemnation in the place of peace

There is no condemnation in the midst of God's people!
That's why ancient servants of God always love to be in the midst of the Holy Ones {Daniel 7:27} i already have the assurance, it as certain as the rising of the sun!
They have gathered people in millions from all races under the earth and brought them to their God, and all those under their supervision have beaten their swords into plowshares and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Just as Jesus foretold millions of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES throughout the earth have the same line of thought with their God! John 17:22

And they are treating one another like one big family! Matthew 12:46-50

If you have anything better just tell me instead of all these your emotional trauma that's not based on accurate knowledge of God's word! Romans 10:2-3

HISSCRIBE1995:
So you know how to look for rightteous ?

You're entitled to your opinion Sir!

oteneaaron:
Interesting.
You can try to blackmail me all you want.
Like I told you before, the joke is on you.
So now are you saying that it was God's will that his children have been stuck in a religion that has been feeding them conflicting doctrines for over 100 years - really?
Was it God's will that people died believing an old light when many years later that same teaching would be replaced with a new light?
God does not lie and is not a God of confusion.

If you believe in God's word you won't have all these problem!
I keep quoting you because you yourself debunked God by saying "Humans Created God"
So if you don't believe in the existence ofGod how can you understand His will?

Did God's servants have the same level of understanding?

Well let's use John the baptist as a case study!

According to first century Jews John is the founder of Christianity because he was baptizing all those coming to him as they all believe in him as God's prophet thereby becoming his disciples. Jesus also went and got baptized by John. There John saw God's Holy Spirit landing on Jesus' head and heard a voice from heaven saying:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved" Matthew 3:13-17

So John was teaching people about the coming Messiah (Christ) he himself saw and baptized the Christ, but was his understanding of Christ complete when he was teaching the people?

The answer is NO!
Because while in prison John sent his disciples to ask Jesus if he (Jesus) is truly the Christ {Matthew 11:3} definitely he must have taught his listeners some misconceptions which any faithful ones among them will surely need an update! Act 18:24-26

Now back to you:
Is it the same Holy Spirit that operated in John and Jesus?
If so why should there be an update as both of them were contemporaries?

Well it's because imperfect humans like John the baptist, Apostle Paul, Russell and Rutherford had partial knowledge which must be updated {1Corinthians 13:9-10} unlike Jesus who is God's only begotten Son! Matthew 17:5

That's why Jesus' words doesn't need any update but as for whatever John the baptist, Apostle Paul, Russell and Rutherford taught during their lifetime an update is inevitable.
No wonder Jesus told them:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come". John 16:12-13

YES! God's Holy Spirit will WORK with imperfect humans but there must be errors on the part of imperfect humans, that's why an update is inevitable! Proverbs 4:18

ogwuche4u:
Mumu

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

oteneaaron:
That is why I told you earlier - To understand the present, we must first understand the past. The past I am referring to is specifically the shady history of the JW organization.
You tell me to not dwell on the past, but do you know *how many people have lived their whole lives and died believing many of the "old light" truths? Do you know how many people didn't marry, couldn't go to school or even make a living because they believed the world was ending in 1975? And mind you, this teaching was an old light! The true history of the organization is shady and very scary. If the foundation of a house is faulty, no matter how many times you repaint, change the windows, or the roof, the house will definitely fall - it is just a matter of time.

My friend, it's about understanding God's will!

Jehovah's Witnesses aren't interested in the pursuit of life now where nothing we see is certain, what Jesus told us is:

Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you. So never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Each day has enough of its own troubles! Matthew 6:33-34

So what those who are spiritually inclined love doing most is living up to their vows for the God who sent His only begotten Son to commission a campaign that has taken away life's anxieties from the hearts of millions patiently waiting for God's Kingdom! Matthew 16:24

Therefore if you're part of those who cherish this wicked system of things with all their heart no one is holding you back. If we live it's for our God and if we die it's for our God {Hebrews 10:38} mind you this faith in itself is not a possession of all kind of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} it belongs only to the few! Matthew 22:14

All these you can't cherish as long as you're not interested in the things of God! 1Corinthians 2:14

oteneaaron:
GOD-- Signifies the "supreme being" from any religion ( Yahweh, Allah, Buhdda, Sango, Krishna, Oduduwa, Owoicho........etc)

MAN-- Signifies You and I ; all humans existing and non-existing(HUMANITY as a whole)

RELIGION-- signifies all of the worlds religion (after-all they are all products of the same factory)



WHO CREATED GOD??

WE created GOD!! You and I , MAN.....


GET IT RIGHT...

We created GOD
Now, our creation of GOD may have been a necessary evil, and MAN is growing up....the time has come for us to let go of Childish things!!

Chibuezem:
I no dey see una for road again oh, una no dey preach again!?

We began going from house to house since the year 1919, 2019 marked a century of our global campaign for God's Kingdom then COVID-19 came.
Only JEHOVAH knows why things happened that way but we are still preaching zealously and industriously teaching using other means since we're no longer allowed to speak with people face to face due to the pandemic.

We are still making disciples and baptizing them as Jesus commanded us! Matthew 28:19-20

Would you like a free Bible study with us? we can conduct the study with you through phone calls, WhatsApp, zoom or other means.

As for now we are awaiting the order from our King as what we started in 1919 was halted in 2019 due to COVID-19.

May you have PEACE!

Iseoluwani:
You were making sense before but when u started this spirit King blabla I knew you will eventually goof.
Jehovah witness ko, Jehovah wickedness niii. Hypocrites set of people

Your PERSONAL opinion!

Powerhousemm:
Why will it work when your community display ignorance. They did not want the situation to change, if they want it they will naturally resolve it particularly via legal means
I did not wait for the complain to the CDA, i did not bother pleading with the church, I went the legal way and the issue was settled.
The reason for writing this topic is to help anyone who truly desire to stop noise pollution in his area.
It worked for me because I went the right and legal way, because i wanted the noise to stop.
You saying that the State backed legal step i took to quell noise pollution did not work without you doing it as explained is quite unfortunate.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm how i wish things will always work like that!
Please keep up with what you know is right but think of people who will hunt you for disturbing their business and traitors who may support them among those you reported the matter to.
May you have PEACE!

oteneaaron:
@MaxinDhouse
A little more info about Rutherford.
Do you know that under his sole direction as president of the organization he commissioned the building of a 10 bedroom mansion called - BETH SARIM?
It is located in California, USA.
It was also known as the House of Princes.
Construction started in 1929.
Rutherford claimed that Beth Sarim would be the house where Moses, Abraham and others would live after they were resurrected after the war of Amargeddon.
Why will a man backed by Jesus the Great King teach something like that??
Why would he teach such kind of "truth"??
To assist on your research of Beth Sarim - -
https://avoidjw.org/en/news/house-of-the-princes/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_Sarim

You keep dwelling on things that's not necessary in the history of God's people.
I told you that these people had God's spirit working with them but their imperfect state will still reflect.
Just build your faith in God's word first then you will know how faithful men of old feels when they learned about the resurrection of faithful servants of God before them:

Then Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I WILL ERECT THREE TENTS HERE, one for you, one for Moses, and one for E·liʹjah.” Matthew 17:4

Do you think Peter had evil intentions?

oteneaaron:
Hahahaha
To understand the present, you must first understand the past.
Russell had the backing of which King?
*Modified - I meant to say Rutherford, but this applies to Russell too
Jesus?
Don't make me laugh please.
Do you know that if you support and believe in at least 50% of the things Pastor Russell taught back then you would be called an apostate today?
If Russell were alive today, he would most definitely have been disfellowshipped as apostate.
Why should the "truth" change?
Truth is truth and should never change.
The truth is this - JW just like every other religion out there is one of the biggest problems of the world.
Instead of teaching people the truth about their own divinity, JW and every other religion out there has chained down the spirit of men and women around the world with un-healthy INDOCTRINATION.
Instead of teaching us that we have direct access to God, we are consistently taught to look up to our Pastors, Bishops, Elders, and Governing Body for salvation.
It is not just JW, every religion is guilty of this.
Na the same boat carry all of them.

I love the highlighted!

Now go back to the history of God's people in the Bible and think about how each generation keep improving in their understanding.
In the post you quoted i explained that Russell had the spirit of God just as Rutherford had but neither the two of them founded this organization because after their death there has been many improvements.
Will they be willing to yield to the new light if they're still alive today?
The answer to that question largely depends on the type of person they are within because based on what we learned from the Bible God's organization is moving so our understanding shouldn't be stagnant.
Anyone who strongly feels the organization should remain in the things we knew yesterday surely need to drop from the moving vessel! Ezekiel 1:19-21

It's a pity you don't believe in God's word all these things would have been easier for you to grasp if you do!

oteneaaron:
I just had to chip this in.
I think you got the true history of the organization mixed up.
Pastor C. T Russell ran the WBTC as a corporation with a board of trustees, and Rutherford was his lawyer.
On Pastor C. T Russell's will, he insisted that the organization be ran by the board members, but there was a very serious power struggle.
Rutherford VS other members of the board.
With his experience as a lawyer, Rutherford got members of the Bethel family to sign NDA's and kicked out the other board members...
It was this fracas that made him( J. F Rutherford) change the name of the organization from Bible Students to Jehovah's Witnesses.
Till date, there are still people who identify as the original Bible students.

That is story for you my friend!

Rutherford is just one man and like Russell who separated from the founder of Seventh Day Adventist Rutherford could have separated from the others, that's understandable but with what Jesus said it's evident that Rutherford had the backing of a mighty spirit King.
How did i conclude that way?
Jesus said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

After the death of Russell in 1916 many groups emerged out of that same group but where are they today? Only Jehovah's Witnesses are meeting up with all the requirements of pure worship as Jesus ordered.
©Don't raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe.
©Make sure you keep going to meet people in their homes for preaching and teaching.
©Love your neighbours as yourselves but love your fellow believers just as Jesus loves you.
©Never participate in politics or racism.
All these are working out perfectly among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do you still think it's all about Rutherford who died 80 years ago? Matthew 19:26

Powerhousemm:
I discovered that Ogun State have a law in place against Noise Pollution and the Ministry of Environment is in charge of Noise Pollution or any form of Pollution in Ogun State

No law can stop that for now because there is already a political struggle between those taking the lead in the religious setting so when you make any reports the accused will raise an objection:
"this complainant is against our God"

Until those in the helm of affairs agree on noise pollution there is nothing you can do.

I remember the last time we had a meeting in my street, one of the landlords raised the idea and we called the pastor in whose church the noise is really alarming. He asked us to stop the mosques from their early morning call to prayer if we want to be fair, the next minute the landlords were divided as each person started defending his own religion.
I was left alone as if i was the one who forwarded the motion. Till today that pastor will not greet or answer me whenever i greet him because he felt i'm the one against his God knowing fully well that i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
So it won't work unless those in the authorities unanimously agreed to stop noise pollution!

He wasn't a Christian in the first place but a MISINFORMED CHURCHGOERS!
Let me say few things about Jesus and how he commissioned the movement then i welcome anyone who may feel what i said is wrong to present his argument with points.


Jesus do go to meet people in their homes preached and taught from house to house even though there was a Temple and several synagogues where the Israelites do meet for worship. Matthew 10:11-13
Is that the same thing this pastor did?

Jesus taught his disciples not to see anyone as enemy but keep praying for their enemies as a means of making peace, so no Christian can think of raising weapons against anyone be it a friend or foe! Matthew 5:43-48
Is that the same way this pastor did?

Jesus taught his followers never to interfere in politics because it's Satan's scheme that easily makes people raise weapons against one another! John 15:19; 17:14-16; 18:36
Is that the same way this pastor did?

These are the simple tenets of Christianity that any honest hearted individual can't deny, so whoever doesn't find himself in such a setting is not a Christian. It's not about praying for people without going to meet them in their homes as Jesus' custom!

Rosement:
Wow, you have such a nice experience but this case is different, your brother was the one provoking me.
All I did, was treat him the same way he treated me. I did not even take offence in his words, I am not among those set of people that are bothered by insults and I know how to reciprocate every well without seeking for people's approval.

Please it has become the custom of most critics on this forum to join community effort in speaking against the JWs that's why some amongst us do speak harshly to anyone found within such arena. JWs aren't trained to speak abusively of anyone, all we're taught to do is present the solution to mankind's woes which is God's Kingdom! Matthew 3:2; 4:17

We know very well how most people often feel when their religion is ridiculed, instead of asking for a better performing group (as any intellectual supposed to do) most people will get mad at the person telling them what is wrong (not with them) with their religion!

For instance there is a question a man asked me when i was still a Muslim. Back then i was bitter about the way religion is causing a lot of confusion and trouble everywhere, i spoke against all religions (including my own Islam) so the man asked me:
"do you believe in God?"
I responded "sure, i do!"
He asked me again "have you taught of a better performing group than all the ones you know?"


I was also a soldier back then (with the intelligence) and i know that there is no army without a central unit of control (base) so if God truly exist there must be a group of people representating His interest on this planet {Isaiah 43:10-12} surely God's own group must perform far better than any other group {Matthew 5:13-16} because they're connected to the right source! Matthew 7:16-18

I was silenced because that question really hit me hard, the man raised a viable option that's indisputable. Years has passed before i later came to know that the question the man asked me that day is from just one group "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" all other religions only make complaints none can boldly say "we know how things ought to be done regarding pure worship"

Jesus surely criticized false religion {Matthew 23:1-39} in Israel back in his time but he didn't just criticize false worship leading his listeners without a solution {Matthew 7:28-29} he prescribed a better performing group and when some people began following him Jesus presented them as the group that will uphold pure worship when he is gone! Matthew 12:46-50

Today Jesus is not here physically and we all know that mankind has messed up religion so badly, but does that mean Jesus can't organize his disciples even when he's not present physically? NO! Matthew 28:20

So asking for a better performing group practicing what Jesus taught shouldn't annoy anyone if truly we love Jesus, rather it should bring us joy because it's a way forward.
WHY? Because we know that things could get out of hand with imperfect humans and we can mess up the whole thing but with God imperfect humans will harmoniously do what is right even though each of them is imperfect! Matthew 19:26

So don't be offended by the way someone responds to your gesture, think of the motive behind such a mindset!


The next day he wanted to leave for Galʹi·lee. Jesus then found Philip and said to him: “Be my follower.” Now Philip was from Beth·saʹi·da, from the city of Andrew and Peter. Philip found Na·thanʹa·el and said to him: “We have found the one of whom Moses, in the Law, and the Prophets wrote: Jesus, the son of Joseph, from Nazʹa·reth.” But Na·thanʹa·el said to him: “Can anything good come out of Nazʹa·reth?” Philip said to him: “Come and see.” Jesus saw Na·thanʹa·el coming toward him and said about him: “See, truly an Israelite in whom there is no deceit.” Na·thanʹa·el said to him: “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him: “Before Philip called you, while you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.” Jesus answered him: “Do you believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree? You will see things greater than these.” John 1:43-49
Note the derogatory remark Nathaniel made regarding Jesus "can anything good come out of Nazareth?" then consider Jesus' response "see, TRULY an Israelite in whom there is no deceit"

Of course Jesus never meant that Nathaniel was a perfect man but regarding worship Nathaniel doesn't joke with the things of God!

haddeylium:
I'm so sorry to hear that. That's just an imperfect human nature. I do my very best to be kind even to those who disrespect me, but I won't lie to you I've failed to do so more than my share of time. I'm still working on it too.
Truthfully, Disagreement give me opportunity to teach and learn. Even if we don't convince eachother, I will learn how other people view things from their own which will help in communication in future.

But one thing is that there's a difference between DISAGREEMENT and DISRESPECT.

There is a difference between “I’m afraid I don’t agree with that” and “You are a Satanic cult that have no idea about the Bible!!!

If someone use that second phrase with me, I might stop being kind and gets defensive. Nobody likes to to be disrespected just as you don't.

Jesus did say to “turn the other cheek” but he also recommended “shaking the dust off your feet” if you are met with resistance. There’s a balance to be found there between not getting overly offended and not being a punching bag for people who just are trying to provoke you.

Have a terrific day Rose

This is exactly what i found most people are doing the first time i came to Nairaland.
I just feel like catching fun as i think the JWs often takes everything too seriously. But i was wrong because when i carefully observed the way people address JWs here they're the ones provoking the JWs yet they're the first to take offenses when the JWs treats them the same way.
I can never forget how it turned out between Shadeyinka and myself 2 years ago.
This man came chatting with me and i politely told him my submission. I told him it's OK after all the commission from Jesus is for all his disciples to make more disciples so if we don't agree that doesn't stop us from being friends (neighbours)
But Shadeyinka began calling the organization all sort of names ranging from cult to demonic and so on. I tried to make him understand that we can go our separate ways without offending each other but he insisted that i was running away from the truth.
Then i told him that he should start a new thread and invite me to know the level at which the Holy Spirit is WORKING with the JWs.
Immediately he opened a new thread and few minutes later he told me he's not good in memorizing Bible verses seeing the way i was using the scriptures to the full in backing my points. He tried to raise all the topics apostates infused in his head but i kept using the Bible to prove that all are just pointless criticism of no benefit.
To cut the long story short Shadeyinka who was disturbing saying i was running away from him later succumbed and said we are both working for Christ from different school of thought!
He began entreating me to acknowledge him as a fellow believer then i told him we are fine as neighbours but not brothers in the faith.
Now anytime he sight my post all what he's expecting is acknowledgement that he is also a worshiper of the same God with the people who are globally known as studious Bible scholars JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

HISSCRIBE1995:
Happy new year

Thank you!

HISSCRIBE1995:
My own assurance is beyond the tradition and philosophies of men concorted by Satan in womb of hell .
John said
"We declare unto you things we have seen ,things we have heard ,and things we have handled of the word of live .
That is my testimony.
Whereby some chose to argure with indoctrinated knowledge that they foolishly believed because of parental or ancestral line .
I have seen him who has the word of eternal life .
But a bird wants to tell a fish how the belly of the deep looks like .
It's a great contradiction.
It might just be to late before you realize the truth .
If you discern the truth now that you are alive you will have someone to blame
But if it's the other way
You will blame yourself for refusing to be free from the bondage they tag for you as freedom .

Obviously the emotional feelings is causing a big problem, but for the benefit of followers on the thread i'll substantiate further on Jesus' reply to Peter!

Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. Mark 10:29-30

Back then in the first century there was lots of contradictions throughout the land of Israel regarding who is on the side of the true God.
Everyone was claiming they have the truth, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Scribes and many other Rabbis in Israel apart from John's disciples who were also envious of Jesus' group.
So what did Jesus say will be the proof of assurance that it's Jesus' disciples that are on the side of the true God?
Note that they will receive power when God's Holy Spirit land on them and they will become preachers and teachers of what Jesus taught them {Act 1:8} but it's not all of them that will receive such gifts. so Jesus' promise to all of them is a hundred fold of brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters.
Of course Peter and the others knew very well that what Jesus is saying can't be possible within Israel where 80% of the populace hated Jesus and his group so they need to know how it's going to work after all Jesus' promise never fail.
Well they're the ones that's going to work for the fulfilment of that promise to become their own.
How?
Through their preaching and teaching they will gather people from all races throughout the earth and they will become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4 1-3} due to the understanding among them they will speak as if the same language {Zephaniah 3:9} then what Jesus prayed for which is oneness in thought will become possible no matter how many his disciples become on this planet! John 17:20-23

So whoever finds himself in such a group producing these FRUIT {Matthew 7:16-18} only need to do one thing: keep his faith strong because the assurance is certain.

May you have PEACE!

HISSCRIBE1995:
Do you listen to any song sang by any of these commercial singers who weren't after god ?
And besides this topic is not about commercial singer or not but about the content of a music and how it affect the human soul and environment.

Please if you feel i should take my leave don't hesitate to tell me, it's not by force that you and i chat.

My comments is to help others.
There's nothing to commercial entertainers because they're all looking for money, hence it's what they knew will attract more fans that they will sing.
What you supposed to ask is:
Why is it that immorality is what interests people these days?
In the 70s when we were growing musicians do fear to sing immoral songs because most people will not even listen so no producer or marketer will invest his money on such kind of songs. But gradually a mystical wind of change started blowing and everything changed.

That's why you can see someone like Tope Alabi whom most of you highly respected could also be a fan of Naira Marley. She knows that they're all looking for fans and not righteousness!

HISSCRIBE1995:
What you wrote were well written
And the answer Jesus gave him was
Mark 10:29-31
[29]So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s,
[30]who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
[31]But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

Now I think you should ask yourself wether it is truly Jesus you are following or another Jesus who was created out of the imagination of a certain man .

Make sure it is the kingdom that you will inherit at the end and not that place you claimed a loving god can't send a human to .

Don't end up there be for you realize you were heading there all this days .

Do you have the assurance that you're for Jesus or it's just some emotional feelings that all other religionists do have?
Because Jesus said something that's very very crucial there that i want you to note.
But if you feel you don't need it it's OK!

HISSCRIBE1995:
If we dey serve God na wetin we gain?

When Jesus started this movement his friends never thought there could be anything special not until they started to recount their loss:

©They have to follow Jesus going preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all the land of Israel while others are busy struggling to make money. They only rely on whatever the people gives them as gifts for their uninvited visits.

©Their rulers who are teachers of the law view themselves as God's representatives, Jesus did not pass through their rabbinic school so they felt Jesus is not qualified to teach God's word therefore they expel anyone who profess to believe (trust) in Jesus from their synagogues. Meaning such a person will be treated as an infidel in his own community! John 9:22

© Since Jesus' teachings is totally strange to everyone unlike the ones they're used to, Jesus was viewed as a madman by majority {John 10:20} even by his own family {Mark 3:21} this makes it more difficult for anyone to identify himself with Jesus.

But despite all these Jesus' closest confidants strongly believe that only Jesus' teaching can lead anyone to everlasting life! John 6:66-68

So back to your question:

HISSCRIBE1995:
Back to the question:if we dey serve God na wetin we gain?

Out of curiosity Peter and other friends of Jesus looked at him and asked this same question you're asking today:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Will you like to know the answer Jesus gave him and how you can be sure that you're also part of those putting faith in Jesus today?

May you have PEACE!

FreedomfromtheT:
We know that Bible doctrine refers to teachings contained in the Bible or Scriptures for Christians to follow. Sometimes, we here of soso church's doctrine. Is it that some denominations have their separate doctrines from that of the Bible or that others dropped or stopped emphasizing certain Bible doctrines while a few continue teaching and practicing such and as a result people label such that particular Church's doctrine? What is the difference between Church tradition and Church doctrine? Mature response needed.

Doctrines belonging to SECTS are based on the understanding of their (imperfect) human founders. Note that the one who founded such a group is not Jesus himself but some imperfect human so no matter how sincere or kindhearted such an imperfect person could be he can't fully grasp everything in God's word {1Corinthians 13:9-10} unlike Jesus who is the only begotten son of God all past servants of God had partial understanding of God's word.
WHY?
Because the true God is the GREATEST TEACHER in the whole universe {John 8:28} He knows the level of what each generation of mankind knows {Psalms 103:14} so it's according to our level of perception that God dishes out useful information gradually that's why you can't compare what each generation of God's servants know as our knowledge of God is progressive! Proverbs 4:18
From God's viewpoint mankind is like one man that's growing so just as we teach our own children gradually the same way God is dealing with imperfect humans.

So where most people failed to distinguish between the doctrines of men from that which comes from God's word is that they give the glory that belongs to God to the founders of their SECTS, that's why they keep on creating more and more SECTS in the name of DENOMINATIONS.

How can we know the doctrine that is from the Bible (God's word)?

Well it's by observing the group holding on to such doctrine, if what the group believe some few decades ago all remain the same then know that it's not from the word of God where understanding is progressive. They have given the glory that belongs to God to their imperfect human founders.

That's why you will hear them talk of church doctrines arguing, abusing, insulting, cursing and even KILLING one another thinking they are fighting for God!

May you have PEACE!

Nelidee:
I hope you are not suggesting he gets that knowledge from a group of freemason leaders in Warwick who sexually abuse children?

Talk is cheap so you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!