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RussellRutherfo:
The usual running away from the main point by jws.
The main point is you are not supposed to acknowledge and collect these Christmas Bonuses.
In principle you are even supposed to resign from the work for the "Worldly" company for even paying you Christmas Bonuses.
You carry a No blood card but e reach Christmas Bonuses. You won't carry a No Christmas Bonus card.
Crazy indoctrinated jw publishers.

Stop crying Sir!

Imagine an outsider trying to dictate how those inside should apply our own rules!

Well it's our own rules and it's application is from our God! Isaiah 54:17

HardMirror:
lol

When you guys decide to call yourselves "ATHEISTS" i only pity you because it's not your fault but that of the AntiChrist (Catholic Church and her children claiming denominations in Christendom) that has rendered you guys blind to what you supposed to grasp easily.

I'm not doing this for you or your cohorts blabbing up and down claiming you're atheists instead i'm just sowing the seeds of truth perhaps honest hearted and sincere individuals following this thread may gain one or two things!

GOD is the Supreme Being so the only thing He will do in our matter is to support whoever makes the best choice between the two sons of God dragging over authority.
Jesus is the most loyal of all the angels in heaven because he's the first born of all the creations. Colossians 1:15-16 compare to Proverbs 8:22; John 1:1, 18

Satan is also one of God's heavenly sons but he is not loyal to anyone even to his father and God. John 8:44

Satan rebelled against his father (God) and decided to gather followers both in the spirit realms and on earth. That's why he turned many angels against God they are known as fallen angels (demons) and he also succeeded in turning the first human pair (Adam and Eve) against God.

All these are sacred secrets that Satan tried to complicate that's why established so many religions all claiming they know God.
So what's the connection between all of these and the topic of discussion on this thread?

Well you compared Jesus to soldiers, so you need to know the origin of military services in the history of mankind!


First of all i want you to know that whenever you see anyone holding a weapon and coming against you the only thing such person needs from you is to surrender and subject yourself under his or her authority.
So soldiers are not to protect you per say but to force you under the authority of those who authorized them to carry weapons, if you object then you're a dead meat.
Now who is the overall ruler of all those ruling other humans forcefully on this planet?
Well it's Satan!
So if you see anyone carrying weapons never think he or she is loyal to you or any country but to the person who authorized him/her to carry the weapon.

Jesus is also a commander of all loyal spirit sons of God in heaven, he also have soldiers on earth but unlike Satan whose soldiers are blindfolded Jesus' soldiers know that they're not loyal to anyone but Jesus. Therefore their weapon is not physical but spiritual, they fight a psychological war not physical.
I know this will confuse most readers but i'll expatiate.

Physical war is where soldiers carry physical weapons to intimidate or subdue the opposite side by reducing their numbers through killing. This is the type of war that Satan's agents are used to.

Psychological war is where the soldiers speak with those on the opposite side to reduce their number by winning them over psychologically without weapons or force.

So while Satan's agents will kill you for not supporting their side Jesus' disciples will pray for you to see reasons why you need to join the armies of a loyal King whose order to his own soldiers is:


“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20

On the other hand Satan is the overall ruler of all those carrying weapons up and down so whether you're loyal to his rule or not you can be deleted anytime, even if you're not on any side when Satan's agents are dragging for position once you're a citizen where they are loosing the same soldiers you're hailing now will be ordered to kill you to spite the winning team not to have subjects.

That's the secret behind the world's military services, and that's why people are been killed here and there due to the struggle between agents fighting for dominance! Revelations 6:3-4


I'm still waiting for you to list the benefits of your so called soldiers before i list the things Jesus has done in the past, doing presently and will still do in the nearest future for obedient mankind!

RussellRutherfo:
Mr. Stupid Publisher

Some synonyms for the word Bonus are:
tip
handout
gift
present
honorarium
reward
prize
inducement
perk
sweetener
cut


A bonus is any type of financial compensation given to an employee above and beyond their normal wage.


In a way the Christmas bonus by your company is not really yours. The company is given you an "idolatrous" end of the year perk to make you feel happy.

You are deluded babble publisher. You want to eat your cake and still have eat.

Don't acknowledge the day. Don't acknowledge or receive the dividends that come with that celebration.

You are getting that Christmas bonus from the high volume of extra sales/Revenue that comes with more customers patronizing that business that usually comes with the perks of this Christmas season.

The highlighted is just the point!

Employees not just anybody!

RussellRutherfo:
The organization is big on Principles that I know of. If you don't celebrate Christmas then you must not eat out of the money of paganism by collecting Christmas Bonuses .

The company is giving you that Worldy bonus at the end of the year and you accepted it. It is like saying I don't do idolatry but I eat the food sacrificed to these idols.
You are simply mad but you don't know it.

Keep same principle. Don't acknowledge the day then also don't eat the dividends that come with it. He who sees a crime and doesn't report to the Police is as guilty as the criminal that did the crime.

You missed the import of idolatry Mr Apostate!

What i WORKED FOR totally differs from what i'm NOT ENTITLED TO.

The company is sharing the proceeds of what we've all worked for the year round so it totally differs from what someone just wish to give you without you labouring for it.

I asked you a simple question:
Do companies give none staff and none customers Christmas bonuses?

That's why you can't see children of wisdom reject what rightfully belongs to them and that's where your stupidity is hiding from you Sir!

Solofresh2:
Hello Nairaland Christians, have you for once wondered why you christains worship on Sundays and not the Sabbath day.

If you study your Bible well, you will realize that when GOD was done with his creations,he rested on the Seventh day and blessed it saying we should keep it holy.

Now, looking at the days of the week, the seventh day of the week is Saturday and not Sunday.Sunday is the first day of a new week.
So,why do we worship on Sundays and not the seventh day of the week?
Are we really following God's commandments at all or we are just deceiving ourselves?

I want you to know that there is a reason for each law but i will go straight for the one you specifically mentioned in this thread: SABBATH
GOD gave the Israelites this law to teach them that living creatures are liable to die young when they work throughout without rest:

"Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and so that the slave born in your household and the foreigner living among you may be refreshed" Exodus 23:12

So after the coming of Christ true worshipers knew the purpose for the Sabbath which is "find time for sacred services and for rest" once this has been settled there's no need for such law again in pure worship! Colossians 2:16-17

May you have PEACE!

RussellRutherfo:
They even the false prophecies Jehovah witnesses usually collect Christmas Bonuses at their work places. � Why do they not reject that?

Foolish apostate!

I worked from January to December and it's from the gains of what i worked for that the company wants to pay me for my labour for twelve months, how foolish you're to think that i will reject what rightfully belongs to me simply because they tag Christmas to it?

Do you think the company giving such thing will give someone who never work with them?

Kokoebapluse:
They re munafiqunh not Muslim

The truth is there's no specific rule to distinguish between real Muslims and fake Muslims.
Each of you only speak from the viewpoint of your cleric.
Donald Trump noticed Muslims accepting and celebrating Christmas but another Muslim says it's haram.
That's why you people need to present a group practicing Islam in the real sense so that interested individuals may know through the conducts of such a group what Islam really teach.

Well it's obvious you don't know what you're saying so your forgiveness is the hands of the one who said:

“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34

I will list what Jesus the commander in chief of all the heavenly armies have done in the past, doing presently and will still do in the future.
Please open your brains and try to compare to what you know any army can do to compare!

But before i do i want to expose the secret behind those carrying weapons around you that you're calling soldiers thinking they're for you!

Humans weren't created to rule ourselves because we can't do without nepotism so we will always give way to prejudice that's why God warned Adam and Eve not to think of setting standards for RIGHT and WRONG for their fellowman who will surely come through them {Genesis 2:17} but they rebelled against God's authority thinking they can succeed in ruling over their own children! Genesis 3:1-6

That was why God turned his back on them from that day. It was the breathe of life God gave them that's sustaining them so immediately God stopped dealing with them they began to expire gradually. And just as God said Adam and Eve never survived a day after turning away from God! 2Peter 3:8

All these are the beginning of mankind's woes so how did Jesus come into the matter?

God had many spirit sons in heaven and the first one God directly created love humans to a fault {Proverbs 8:22, 31} this is the person that pleaded on our behalf that he will help us out as billions of innocent souls coming after Adam and Eve will only continue to suffer for what they did not do. Romans 5:12

The soldiers you are stupidly giving credits today are simply instruments in the hands of politicians who wants to rule over you whether you like it or not {Ecclesiastes 4:1;8:9} if those commanding them discover that they're no more having the upper hand to rule i am telling you today that the same soldiers will be ordered to kill you. YES! They will be ordered to kill you to spite whoever is on the winning side that's why you're hearing of terrorism here and there. It's the same set of people behind terrorism that's ruling over you. The terror increases when they are loosing their grip on power while it reduces when they have all the power.
So if you think soldiers are on your side fighting for you then you've been thoroughly deceived. They are fighting in favour of their Masters who are using them to intimidate you in order to rule over you by force.

With this little exposé perhaps you still have something to say about the soldiers around you please feel free because i've not said anything about what Jesus did, is doing and will still do in the future for obedient mankind!

Yadid:
Christmas: God's Love Unveiled

Just imagine going to the market to pay the highest price anyone can ever pay for any commodity just to purchase the worthless thing in the market. Something so worthless that one can even have it for free without payment of any sort. That is what God has done for us in Christ Jesus.
We were not just dirty, foul and unclean as sinners, we were equally worthless. We were smoking flax fit only to be quenched, yet He did not quench us. We were bruised reed fit only to be crushed, yet did He not break or crush us.
Matthew 12:20
[20]A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
A smoking flax and a bruised reed are both useless and worthless. Among the Israelites in His earthly days, a smoking flax and a bruised are only fit to be discarded. Yet, He paid the ultimate price for us when we were only fit to be discarded.
As we celebrate Christmas, let us remind ourselves that love is the reason for the birth.
Matthew 1:21
[21]And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Without God's love for us, no Saviour would have ever been born. Christmas is not a celebration of the birth in itself but a celebration of the love that culminated in the birth. Love came for the totally undeserving. Love paid the highest price for the most undeserving.
Just in case you do not still have the perfect picture of how worthless we were as sinners, think about this. Would you go to the market to pay the highest price in purchase of cow dung? No! You would not. People do not even sell that. You can just pick it up for free wherever cows are being reared. Afterall, it is a mess and an extra burden to the one rearing the cows.
That is what the Father did for me and you in Jesus Christ. We had no worth at all. Yet, He went to the extent of paying not just any price, but the highest price ever to be paid in the history of heaven and earth.
Beloved, Grace is the gospel and every addition to Grace is a lie. Let no man deceive you that you still had some worth in yourself through messages that make you feel that you have some good in yourself. No, you do not apart from Christ.
Love is the reason for the birth and love is the reason for the season. Celebrate love, even God's never-ending love for me and you.
Merry Christmas to you and yours from this side.
Grace always!
(Article inspired by the Holy Ghost through Cory Asbury's "Reckless Love"

Can you just quote or cite a verse where Christmas could be found in the Bible?

If not then you have just presented your God as a confusionist because the Bible says "to obey is better than sacrifice" {1Samuel 15:22} in the Bible Jesus warned his followers to keep trailing his footsteps closely so that Satan the deceiver won't mislead them.
Israelites don't celebrate birthdays because it's a pagan custom and their God has warned them never to practice whatever pagans do.
That's why no servant of God ever celebrated birthday in the Bible, Jesus' parent never did it for him, he himself never did, his followers never did and how do we remember Jesus?
He initiated the remembrance of his death and taught us precisely how to do it. Luke 22:19-20 compare to 1Corinthians 11:23-25

So whatever you're saying about what Jesus did not initiate is tantamount to rebellion against the only begotten Son of God who said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6
You will only incite God's wrath on yourself and others following you just as Saul did when God told him to destroy all what is found in Amalek. Saul preserved some things with the excuse that he wanted to use it as sacrifice (praise) to God {1Samuel 15:17-21} know today that celebration of birthdays is part and parcel of the pagan customs Christians are to destroy with faith so keeping any behind in the name of praise to God is gross sin like that of Saul the first Israelite king God rejected! 1Samuel 15:26

If you repent today and turn around you will be forgiven for God knows that you're not the initiator of this pagan custom it was handed over to you and you can't be wiser than Satan {Psalms 103:14} but that largely depends on what you make out of this discussion today.

May you have PEACE!

HardMirror:
joke of the year. What are u teaching atheists? We have Christian's all around us and we see nothing special abt u guys. You are as ordinary as every other human being

Are you scared already?
Guy i'm not going to hurt you so list what you think soldiers have done or better still are doing for you and i will list what Jesus has done in the past, what he is doing presently and what he will still do in the future all for the benefits of faithful people.

I'm waiting so don't run away after all you started this you need not feel intimidated with what you started nah!

The only thing wrong with Christmas is that it wasn't initiated by the first century Christians so there's no way to caution anyone who wish to celebrate it with fornication, adultery, drunkenness, thuggery, gambling, sacrificial killings and so on.
Since we have nothing to follow as the pattern set by the first century Christians on how to celebrate the Christ then Satan will seize the opportunity to introduce what God abhors and nobody as in NOBODY can caution anybody not to celebrate it the way they choose to. That is why everyone including atheists and agnostics love celebrating Christmas because there is no restraint to it.
You will see atheists and agnostics arguing profusely about the existence of Jesus but they will welcome Christmas.
WHY?
Accepting Jesus means living in accordance with his rules but Christmas has nothing to do with rules, that's exactly what atheists want: INIQUITY!

EngrMarve:
Bless you sir

God bless you too!
This so called atheists really need to be taught what they are missing if they're not Christians but the misconception false religions claiming denominations of Christianity is spreading has blinded billions so that they can't see all the richly blessings in stock for obedient and faithful worshipers of the true God. 2Corinthians 4:4
I'm here waiting for him to list all the things he believes the so called soldiers have done for him and i'll prove to him that there is no soldier greater than the commander in chief of all the heavenly armies!
May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
I remember a time when a prophet was too sure he was the only one who hasn't bowed down to Baal!
The answer of God shocked him

1Kin 19:18:
"Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth which has not kissed him."

You missed the import of what you're quoting my friend, back then Elijah thought it was only him that remained in the northern part of Israel as a worshiper of the true God.
But what i'm saying now is just what the true God told the world back then "Israel is my people" not "Elijah is my only worshiper"
So don't get it twisted my friend, i am not the only worshiper of my God rather i have millions of brothers and sisters in America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Australia worshiping my God in Spirit and Truth, they are Jehovah's Witnesses, we all have the same line of thought globally. So in contact to what you're quoting worshipers of my own God are throughout the world today but they are all in just one big and happy family of peace loving group of worshipers known as Jehovah's Witnesses!

TenQ:
Do you think all non JW are about money and wealth?
Do you think all non JW are about miracles before faith and duty in righteousness?

The JW organisation is just one of the hundreds of sects within the Christian denomination.
Are other "Unitarians" other than JW also wrong?

Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and LIFE, no one comes to the true God if such a person have nothing to do with Jesus. John 14:6
So let's consider those three symbolic terms then we can both meditate thoroughly to see if there is any other group practicing what Jesus taught apart from Jehovah's Witnesses.

The WAY: Jesus is the one and only person who know how we can worship his father acceptably {Matthew 11:27} therefore there's no ideology or opinion anyone raise so far Jesus didn't say it such idea will not yield any positive results in the gathering of those putting it into practice. John 15:5

The TRUTH: There are many deeds of God's servants we read in the Old Testament but when Jesus say it's wrong then we must drop whatever those people prior to his time practiced. We must remember that God never introduced any of them to us as His son to whom we must listen! Matthew 17:5

The LIFE: Everlasting life wasn't promised to anyone through anybody except the name of Jesus Christ {John 3:16} so whoever wants to have everlasting life must exert himself vigorously to stick to Jesus' teachings!

Now let's see if there is any other group doing these!

The only thing Jesus made a priority in his life after his baptism is the PREACHING and TEACHING work. Everyone back then knew Jesus as the guy who always go from house to house and door to door preaching and teaching people anywhere he could find them.
Now ask yourself which religion do you know that throughout the world people know their group as preachers from house to house and door to door? Matthew 5:13-16
Well i'm above 50 years of age today and the only group i know doing this incessantly are Jehovah's Witnesses!

When talking about the pursuit of riches many people can go for any career like music, sports, modeling and film industry where they will become celebrities in the society.
The problem here is their faces will be known everywhere so with the prominence they can't serve under Jesus whose followers must go out knocking on people's doors (uninvited) to preach and teach {Luke 18:18-23} so Jehovah's Witnesses don't encourage their youths to go into such careers because the prestige and fame will hinder them from accomplishing their ministry as disciples of Christ!

When it comes to LIFE Jesus cherishes the life of humans so much that he's ready to destroy thousands of animals just to save one human soul {Luke 8:26-34 compare to Luke 12:7} now ask yourself which of all the religions claiming Christians are ready to forgo anything instead of carrying weapons to kill their fellowman just to procure material possessions?
Well i know just one group whose will is to help even those seeking their lives gain the accurate knowledge of God instead of supporting racial disputes or military services to kill {Matthew 5:43-48} they are Jehovah's Witnesses!

So when people say they're not materialistic it's easy to say and preach to woo gullible followers but it's by WORKS that everyone can SEE not just a mouthing issue! Matthew 7:21-23

There are scriptures and FRUITS that needed to be considered first to recognize agents of the AntiChrist.
Surely Kumuyi is one of Satan's agents but the road is just too broad {Matthew 7:13-14} that if i begin to open the scriptures and using it to explain how everyone can SEE clearly the attributes of fake religious leaders, most churches will be affected.
One thing i want to tell the OP is that God is the Supreme Being and the only evidence of God's existence is the gathering of His Holy ones, so their is a group of people practicing pure worship. All you need to know them is ask for the WORKS of God's Holy Spirit {James 2:18-26} and try to watch closely at the group producing that FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-18

May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
The rich man was sincere about his brothers hearing the TRUE message not their warped kind. He wouldn't even mind if Lazarus went down to preach. This is at variance with those flouting their wealth. It would even make a slight sense if they give out ALL their wealth. Flouting of wealth has nothing to do with the kingdom of God

The rich man has lost it but his brothers who are also putting riches as first thing needed to be warned. God will not perform a single sign to do that. Jehovah's Witnesses are ready do whatever our God say as long as we are convinced that it's benefitial, we aren't expecting any sign before we believe in our God.
False religionists are looking for riches and material possessions before they can be convinced that they're blessed.
Well the riches we are talking here is not real but what they made the priority in their lives so even when their members don't have it like their religious leaders riches is what makes them feel accomplished not the doing of God's will!

chikason22:
Luke 11:17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.

Put your house in order and stop speaking what you can't defend. No single proof from the holy Bible to prove your point.
Which Bible una dey use sef
Behaving like the Pharisees in the time of Jesus Christ.

Ògbéni since you and i don't have the same line of thought, you are not my brother in the faith but neighbour like anyone else! Matthew 12:46-50
Go and put your house in order mine is fine!

chikason22:
You're the one deceiving yourself.
What attributes do you have to call yourselves a name reserved for God's ELECTS Who made you a custodian of the WORD OF GOD
who appointed you a SAINT
It seems you're too full of yourself to accept the TRUTH. Why can't you humble yourselves and read that Bible you carry up and down to preach what you don't understand to people and read it thoroughly. Pray for the Spirit to give you understanding.

2 Samuel 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

We are no part of your confused religious system.
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, the one and only group practicing pure worship.
So go and fine your own family in your religion because we are no part of your confused and spiritually scattered worship! Luke 11:23

TenQ:
What are the so-called modern day Pharisees doing to show that
1. They accept the punishment given out to them and
2. They don't want their followers to have the same kind of punishment

Thanks

They are showing it but their followers are blind!
How do you think they're doing buying houses in different places in their personal names, private jets and all the things the world can offer yet their followers are thinking heaven is the goal!

They are showing it through their actions but their followers are blind because they also love deceit! 2Timothy 3:13

chikason22:
I always have a reply for you from the scripture which many of you WTBTS don't follow to the letters. You changed some to suit your belief.
Listen to what Christ said

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is what many of you do maybe dir to ignorance but gradually some of your members are getting more enlightened.

1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

There are many things your church needs to change so as to be in line with the true teachings of Jesus Christ.
I commend watch tower for keeping to letters some of the true teachings as contained in the Bible. But you guys have a lot to learn. Gradually you people will see the light and acknowledge God's order of things. Peace

Stop deceiving yourself!

If you're arguing with your fellow religionists it simply means all of you are confused and scattered. Luke 11:23
I have done what the Holy Spirit brought me here to do so it's left for you to humble yourself and accept the truth or continue arguing with your fellow religionists.
Just know that Jehovah's Witnesses has been called out of the confusion you people keep yourself we are standing out! John 17:14

MindHacker9000:
The shock here is that you believe that what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth is more authentic than the writings of Moses!  

Here is the real SHOCKER for you:
1. The people of Israel did not witness the virgin conception.
2. The people of Israel did not witness the resurrection.
3. The writers of the 4 gospels were not eyewitnesses of the empty tomb.
4. An empty tomb is not proof that the resurrection actually took place.
5. Jesus did not write the books of the gospels.
6. Paul's writings were written a decade before the other 4 gospels but the 4 gospels were put before Paul's writings.
7. It does not say who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are in the 4 gosples.



All the People saw "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking" when GOD was talking to Moses so that was enough evidence for them to believe that GOD was talking to Moses.

Now let's analyse some of the accounts of the 4 gospels.

1. In Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw an angel.
2. In Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome saw a young man.
3. In Luke: The women saw 2 men.
4. In John: [Notice there was no angel or young man. Here it was just Mary Magdalene, Peter and the other disciple]
"Mary Magdalene went to the tomb". "So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple". "Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb". "The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen". "Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside". "Then the disciples went back to where they were staying"

The 4 different accounts listed above will not even be checked with the writings of Moses you quoted above as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not eyewitnesses of the resurrection and even the people they wrote about given 4 different accounts too did not witness the resurrection.

Here is another one
Matthew-27-52-53
52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Did Matthew say he was there when this event took place? How come an event like this is not recorded anywhere else in history by the historians.

The Jews cannot be deceived because they know that like with Moses God would show them "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking" like when GOD was talking to Moses to prove that all the events in the New Testament are authentic.

The Jews you're talking about chose what they want to believe just as you are doing right now, 99% of what Moses recorded didn't happen in his eyes:
Creation of heaven and earth, Adam and Eve, snake spoke with Eve, Cain and Abel, Enoch, Noah, tower of babel, confusion of language, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Laban's daughters, Joseph and his brothers, Egypt, Potiphar's wife, Joseph became ruler in Egypt, migration of Jacob and all his children to Egypt, Job and Satan, Israelites women gives birth easily.
Even most of the things Moses recorded were reported to him it's not everything that happened in his presence.
So just like the gospel accounts few things happens in their eyes the writers who recorded it the same way the Bible book of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy didn't happen in the eyes of Moses.
So you're simply choosing what you want in the Bible if you're rejecting the gospel accounts. I believe the entire Bible because i believe that God will not come down to write His word, rather he will use EYE-WITNESSES but who are contemporaries to pen it down at times while other times he only inspire them to pen down useful informations!

TenQ:
I appreciate your patience, however I can't say I fully understand your explanations with respect to this parable because it seemed that the Rich man's had learnt a bitter lesson for which he dosen't want his brothers to repeat. He didn't even plead for himself.

He passionately begged Father Abraham to send someone if possible from the dead to preach to his brothers so that they won't make his mistakes.

What are the current spiritual leaders of this world doing to show that they do not want their members from falling into their kind of errors?

That's the way parable is interpreted.
Remember that Jesus was talking about the Pharisees who are still alive standing right there. So it's about how they are feeling inside for instance they asked Jesus to perform a sign before they can believe that he is truly the Christ God sent to them.
Please what other sign do you think Jesus can perform to convince those stiff-necked people? So it's not about signs but they just want God to come down and speak to them face to face before they agree!

As for the modern day Pharisees they know very well that they have no business whatsoever with God but just as the first century Jewish leaders they're prepared to face God's wrath after all it will not be in the presence of their deceived followers! Matthew 27:25

chikason22:
WTBTS which is a religious organization you belonged called herself Jehovah witness.
Take a look at what you quoted from verse 1
Isaiah 65:1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Now the question is
Who Are Jehovah's Witness
Is it Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society?
Definitely not. They're a group who profess christian faith.

Jehovah's Witnesses are those who Jehovah the Almighty God commission through His beloved son Jesus Christ to propagate His saving gospel and gospel of peace As clearly stated in...

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Continuing, the set of Christians referred to as Jehovah's witness are the very ELECT of God. The apostles, the Remnants of The SAINTS. They are those who are redeemed from among men.
The One hundred and Forty and Four Thousand. ( 144,000 )

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

They are not thought by any man but by the holy spirit of God.
Those are the real Jehovah's witness.
God gave an example using Jeremiah the prophet and I quote

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Stop turning the Holy Scripture upside down to suit your belief. Be warned for everyone shall give account of his doing before Christ.
This is the reason we have different believe in churches today. Let us uphold the true teachings our Lord and stop the removing somethings to suit our worship

May the peace of God be into you.

Stop deceiving yourself!
The one and only group known as Jehovah's Witnesses is the Watchtower.
Even your own Church members will refute it profusely if you call them Jehovah's Witnesses.

I just want you to know that we are no part of your religious sects arguing amongst yourselves. We are Jehovah's Witnesses and we are no part of you people!

HardMirror:
what did jesus do? You mean fabricated stories in that book?

You want to compare what you heard that soldiers did for you to what Jesus is doing for his own disciples?
Well let's start with you.
Please list all what you believe soldiers have done for you and i will list all what Jesus did in the past, doing presently and will still do in the future for me.
Then we'll see who has been thoroughly deceived!

HardMirror:
People will say the nigerian army is useless, yet their sacrifice far supersedes that of Jesus christ.
If a Nigerian soldier dies, he cannot resurrect yet jesus died and rose on the 3rd day. How is that a sad sacrifice?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, i don't blame you i blame false religionists claiming Christians.
If only you know what Jesus did in the past, in our own time and what he will still do in the future, you won't compare the commander in chief of the world's greatest army to any one throughout the history of mankind!

chikason22:
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Read also Revelation 16:13'14

Those are the reasons we have devise teachings in Christendom today.
Your church also have more to learn and get corrected also.
Peace into you.

Well i'll only enlighten you on the meaning of that word "Christendom" it means sects of different beliefs and ideologies claiming denominations of followers of Christ.

Whereas "Christians" in the first century had the same line of thought just as Jesus fervently prayed! John 17:20-23; Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Though the group name "Christians" was a borrowed name, God only permitted His worshipers to bear it until Jesus came in 1914 to separate pure worship from false religions.

God allowed different sects to claim they belong to Him from the first century until 1914 but in 1931 when the true have seen how His Son (Jesus) efficiently separated faithful people and brought them under one umbrella as He (God) promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

JEHOVAH the true God began calling His own worshipers by another name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So you can continue arguing with your fellow worshipers our own God has separated us and given us the name that throughout the world everyone can SEE clearly the difference between us and all those claiming believers in in our God! Matthew 5:13-16

May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation.
If I get you correctly, the Rich man symbolise the Religious Leaders of Israel. If this is the case, what caused their change of mind enough to desire that followers do not experience what they are experiencing. When was this their repentance (so to speak ) activated? Did they repent during the time of Christ?

It's not a literal event but parable so it simply means each generation of false religious leaders coming after them will not like to bear the same title they bear. That's why you can't see any religion today even in Israel where the leaders are called Pharisees, Sadducees or Scribes. Only Rabbis which means teachers of God's word.
In each next generation of faithless religious leaders they will continue to change their titles to fit in so that unsuspecting interested ones will easily be ensnared {2 Corinthians 11:14-15; Matthew 24:24} today the Pharisees are here and what is most important to them? It's their religious titles which they want everyone to use in calling them {Matthew 23:8-10} with the last breath in them they're prepared to protect these religious titles, so don't be surprised when they are addressed as Pastor, Bishop, Reverend, Pope, Father, Apostle and so on. They will not yield the same positive results as those who were known by those offices in the past rather it's the fruitage of past faithless religious leaders like Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes that you'll see in their works! Matthew 7:16-18
So they are not repenting in a literal sense but dodging from the usual titles of those who have the same attitude in past generation!

TenQ:
The GULF seem like an impossibility of the Religious Leaders (Rich man) becoming like Lazarus. Is it that they are doomed for being religious leaders?

NO! The chasm simply means what each person cherishes most. Faithless religionists cherishes worldly material possessions while faithful people are only interested in having a good standing with God no matter the condition they fine themselves. Matthew 6:24
So with what each person takes as paramount in life it becomes impossible for someone in one side to cross to the other. Matthew 7:13-14
Faithful people will be prepared to die for their faith while faithless people will be prepared to let go of the truth to keep worldly riches! Luke 18:18-23

TenQ:
Finally, what is "THIS PLACE OF TORMENT" as reported by the Rich Man (he obviously didn't want his brothers to come to the same place)?
Thank you

The torment symbolizes agonizing pains in their hearts as they're seeing people who never attended their rabbinical schools of thought (seminary schools) preaching and teaching with efficacy! Act 4:13
For instance i was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses, the first time my cousin who has been a pastor in RCCG tried to argue with me i had only spend 3 months studying with the JWs. He felt so threatened before the whole family as i was opening the scriptures and explaining with efficacy.
That was when i first understood what it means to be tormented within because he can't just understand how someone like me whom he has know all his life as a Muslim suddenly became a strong advocate of Christ using the Bible as if i'm part of the writers!

In fact he almost hit me when he asked "how come you're this good in using the scriptures to support everything you're saying just within 3 months with Jehovah's Witnesses?" When i quoted the Bible book of Luke 12:11-12!

Can you imagine that they all brought me before the whole family back then i was just 25 years old, those claiming Muslims, Christians even the Traditionalists all wanted to convince me that i've left the truth!
Now think of how tormented my cousin who is almost 40 and a branch pastor with RCCG for many years could feel in such a gathering when his efforts to convince me that leaving Islam for Christ is bad simply because i am studying with JWs who have so much equipped me with God's word! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Well i wish you were present that day you will see what torment for false religionists really meant!

chikason22:
Thank you for your contribution.
One question I want to ask is.
Are Jehovah's witness the only true church in Christendom?

Well i will also like to ask you one question, if you answer mine then i will not hesitate to answer yours.

What do you think about over 41,000 different sects all claiming denominations of Christianity with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of Jesus Christ who is a strong advocate of oneness in thought {John 17:20-23} does it befits what Jesus prayed for or a blasphemy on the name of the true God?

AntiChristian:
I know your Bible study group was filled up with fake prophecies back then. So where did Jesus stay back then?

If you know that it's fake then it's your testimony against mine!

I left Islam which you are carrying on your head now because i found out that it's FAKE.
So if you also call what i found FAKE it simply means one against one, therefore hold onto your Islam while i hold onto my faith in Christ Jesus!

MindHacker9000:
And this demand is not too much for them to ask for. In 334 BC, Alexander the great, King of Macedonia, began one of the greatest military campaigns in history against the superpower of the age - the Persian Empire. No European today will doubt this greatest military campaigns 334 years before the birth of Jesus, because alot of people were involved just as no Jew today will doubt that God sopke to Moses bacause all the People saw "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking"

Without such great events seen by all the people, how do you tell if you are not being deceived by a magician?

Everything you and i are reading now were written, we are not seeing it only eyewitnesses penned it down.
Now let me shock you more than before.
According to Moses himself his writings is not as authentic as what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth!
How?
Because everything you're reading in the Bible book of Genesis to Deuteronomy was written by just one WITNESS "Moses"
So why do you think i will believe what one man wrote all by himself over what four different WITNESSES penned down?

On the testimony of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die should be put to death. He must not be put to death on the testimony of one witness! Deuteronomy 17:6

“No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established! Deuteronomy 19:15

Only Moses is the sole WITNESS of his own account but Jesus' life and ministry was born by FOUR WITNESSES, meaning the true God made sure that it wasn't just two or three but FOUR WITNESSES penned down the most important things regarding Him and His Kingdom.
So my friend, if you're saying you believe Moses's account which he wrote all by himself but rejects the account of FOUR WITNESSES from the same race then something is wrong somewhere!

AntiChristian:
Jesus came back in 1914 ke?
Was Jesus Lord Lugard ni?
Dstvee

Well these are sacred secrets only those who have the spirit of our God knows it and they're teaching millions across the globe.
All what you need is historical proof that Jesus truly came back in 1914!

chikason22:
To you sir. What does christmas mean to you or signify

That is why Jesus came back in 1914 and began the harvest work {Matthew 13:24-30} before then there were several different sects all claiming denominations of Christianity.
So when Jesus returned he couldn't find the faith he once established {Luke 18:8} as in the oneness he fervently prayed for {John 17:22} that's why Jesus sent out his angels to search through all the groups to see if any of them is prepared to repent of their nonsense and ingredients they're doing in his name.
The one and only group Jesus' angels found is known back then as the International Bible Students Association popularly known as Jehovah's Witnesses today.
Immediately Jesus started his work again as he did in the first century correcting them on the things they got wrong. And gradually the Jehovah's Witnesses were making amendments. It was December 1926 that this group celebrated Christmas for the last time as Jesus was using God's Holy Spirit to correct them. John 16:12-13
Today people worldwide may think Jehovah's Witnesses never celebrated Christmas the way we hate that pagan festival today but it's Jesus who brought the light to show us how filthy it is and we stopped! Proverbs 4:18
So you don't need to continue arguing with them once you know the truth [John 8:32] about Christmas and it's origin what Jesus is saying in the spirit is:


And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. Revelations 18:4-5

Even though they can see evil things always happening during this period every year they will not listen until what happened to people in Noah's day come upon them! Luke 17:26

May you have PEACE!