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ifyken:
Thank you,I really want this argument to be civil from the start to the end.
Now you said God is a spirit,do you have any evidence that God as you think of him exists? Evidence from the bible is not allowed because if I tried to prove Spiderman is real by giving you Spiderman comics, you will probably think I am crazy or wrong. The evidence should also be objective (like if I told you that the sun is shining and very hot on a hot and Bright day,if we both had good eyesight and functioning sensory nerves on our skin,we will both agree to my statement except if you are a pathological liar) and not based on emotions or personal views(eg my truth) because those can be decieving. Eg when I was a Christian, I felt like I saw ghosts and all manner of superstitious creatures at night ans I also fell under anointing but now that I am an atheist, all I mentioned up ceased to exist.
I agree that absolute freedom should not be granted onto any entity but you can admit that god was kind of at fault putting the tree of good and evil right in the garden and warning Adam not to eat it. He could have destroyed or not even created the tree because any desire or object that seems like it cannot be possessed is the one most humans will try to possess. He even is guilty of this when he said through Jesus that "the angels in heaven rejoice when one sinner(not possessed before) become righteous than ninety none other righteous people (possessed before).

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,
You really want to learn but i'll advise you to take things easy and step by step otherwise you will become aggressive and what you intend to know will become an issue causing a grudge.
So please calm down and let's reason together like adults.
I love the example you give about the Sun and i have such undeniable evidence only if you'll reason the same way you want me to.
God promised something that seems impossible in the midst of imperfect humans.
He said this will serve as evidence that He is at WORK in the gathering of His true worshipers.

THE EVIDENCE!
Ever since God confused the language of people on this planet there has never been a time when people from different languages, culture, status, class and skin colour agree to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.
Do you think it's possible for people from races like Africa, Asia, Europe, America and Australia to agree on the same standard and use it to settle all their beef to the extent that they begin treating one another as brothers and sisters, never to raise weapons against anyone nor think of war again?

Well that's what God promised as the undeniable evidence that He is WORKING in the gathering of His own worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Before now i used to blame God for so many things until i became one of His true worshipers (Jehovah's Witnesses) this group has gone throughout the earth and all their members have agreed to live as brothers and sisters with their fellow believers from any other race. You can't find them in politics neither do they partake in military services.

That is the one and only group worshiping the true God and His evidence can be seen in their midst just as the evidence of Sun can be seen by anyone who wants to verify!

As for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil it's symbolic terms that means right to set standards regarding what is good and what should be termed as evil. Humans are to rely solely on their Creator for that. That's the meaning of the tree it's not a literal tree! Jeremiah 10:23

Ayo081:
You should have stated this earlier. Your very first post was written in such a way one would think there're are no poor Christians.

Thankfully, I think the OP is a Christian so no they didn't go meet a pagan or so

NO! If they are truly Christians, those taking the lead amongst them will see to the needs of members!
For instance, during the lockdown something strange happened and i was so ashamed of myself. WHY?
Wealthy brothers (JWs) in countries like the US and Switzerland sent relief materials down as palliatives to African countries in order to take care of their brothers in the faith during the lockdown.
I never knew about this arrangement because i'm not yet one of the elders so foodstuffs were brought to my house and i was like "what is this?" then the brothers sharing it told me it's palliatives for our brothers.
I asked them how can i also support this arrangement because by His grace i had enough so they told me that when the need arises brothers like me will be called but for now this is the initiative of our brothers in advanced countries!

Now tell me, do you think any serious member of such a group can be a beggar?

alignacademy:
That's the point!

Before I go on, thanks to everyone who has contributed so far to this discussion.

Of course, nothing stops individuals from doing what they can.

But for this ugly situation to become this frequent suggests the need for a lasting solution by the Body of Christ.

I don't think it's something to be treated as individuals but together as a team

Thanks!

The truth is not all those claiming believers are true believers!

True believers have a system where members are taken care of so that you won't have to come to a public forum like Nairaland where all sorts of people will read your story about how your fellow believers come begging for food in your house! Matthew 6:1-4

Well those people coming to your house are not true Christians!

In true Christianity (Jehovah's Witnesses) we have a solid arrangement to make sure that less privileged ones in our midst are cared for {James 1:27} that's why you can never find a JW begging for food {Psalms 37:25} instead you will always find us working hard for our sustenance! 2Thessalonians 3:10

It's an insult upon our God for any of His true worshipers to go out begging strangers for food! Psalms 23:1

May you have PEACE!

ifyken:
I think that you are a calm and reasonable person unlike a mad goat who calls himself the truth speaker.
Now I will not lie to you,I like the good things of life and the good things in the afterlife(if it exists). I don't want to go to hell(if it exists). So convert me back to chrustianity by educating me on some questions. Since Christians say that atheist do not know God,can you please answer my first question below?
Who is God/Allah/Buddha/God's from your point of view and tell me about his character(is he good/bad or is he immortal or mortal etc) ?

There is a limitation to what we can know about the person we can't see but at least if you and i can't see Buhari one on one to ask few questions we can see his orders been carried out by the law enforcement agents.

Your first question!
God is a spirit person who claims to be the Creator of all things and many spirits are also claiming God that's the reason why there are complications here and there. But if anyone truly wants to know the true God He is not far away from us, this is what life is all about.
Your second question!
Is God good or bad?
Well think about the earth and everything in it then try to imagine how life will be on this planet if there is just one human pair with the ability to do anything they want with any other creature on the planet!
Try to imagine whether there can be stealing, cheating, murder or any kind of suffering on the part of the only human pair.
The truth is there can't be anything causing them pain, but when more people (billions) are on the same planet the question we need to ask ourselves is who should set the standard to help us cohabit peacefully?
According to the Bible, God warned the first human pair not to take it upon themselves that they can set standards for right and wrong when people begin to multiply {Genesis 2:17} but sadly the first human pair rebelled and demanded for absolute freedom. That's what led us to where we are today! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

So from what we are experiencing today do you think the person (God) who warned them not to think of setting standards for others is good or bad?

Kingsleyebere:
i dont see anything wrong in pastor teaching God's word in a christmas carol

It's not wrong for a pastor to minister but when a so called Pastor condemns a festival and goes into the gathering of the celebrators of the condemned festival then Jesus' word should be quoted for the pastor:

Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you! Matthew 7:1-2
His own mouth condemned him, if he teaches that Christmas is wrong then he has judged himself for going to sit with those practicing what he himself said is wrong! Psalms 1:1

Ayo081:
∆∆∆ The above isn't necessary as a reply.
Even in your sect, are there poor and needy people? Yes or No

We mustn't allow such ones to go begging in the streets or houses of pagans because that is an insult to our God! Deuteronomy 15:7

Kumuyi has lost it so he's trying to regain the prominence he forfeited by following JWs in disguise.
JWs warned members to be mindful of the times they spend watching TV because they're supposed to be in the field ministry preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood during leisure. Kumuyi outrightly condemned TVs for his followers after reading JWs magazine in secret.
JWs condemned the celebration of Christmas as pagan custom, Kumuyi followed without considering the adverse effect on his Church and how people in general will view him.

Adeboye was smarter, he does whatever the general public view as righteous so he became the choice of many including politicians, even a British high commissioner called Adeboye "Daddy G.O" due to his diplomatic approach towards all things.
These and many more are what Kumuyi now reconsidered that's why he's retracing his steps saying he will change most of Deeperlife doctrines before he die, because if he leave it the same way the church will die after him as all those attending only view Kumuyi as the only man of God qualified to preach and teach them!

Ayo081:
1 What did you then make of the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man?

Lazarus connotes the common Jews who have little or no knowledge of the scriptures so it's whatever their religious leaders (rich man) got to say them that they're yearning for.
Everything changed when Jesus arrived the religious leaders found themselves in torment as Jesus keep condemning their acts and taking good care of the common Jews whom the religious leaders view as nothing!

Ayo081:
2 Deuteronomy 15:1-11?

God's law teaches His WORSHIPERS to take good care of their fellow worshipers so that none of them will be seen loitering around as paupers.
In this case different sects claiming Christians are out there with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so they're not for the same God just as Jesus told his listeners that only those having the same line of thought as he does are his BROTHERS in the faith (not all Jews) Matthew 12:46-50

PastorM:
Confusion galore

Thank you for editing the comments and removing God's word without saying anything about it! Proverbs 28:9

MightySparrow:
Well, I have told you, I don't belong to a parochial, seperatist church. Jesus is coming for a universal church. A General Assembly and I am a member in particular, Heb. 12: 23; 1Cor. 12: 27. Good luck to OLAADEGBU and his Deeper Life, [/b]good luck to you and your [b]Shallower Life in JWs.

Good luck to your former brother in Islam, Antichristian in his confusion.
Sweet memories!

Just know that i don't have any reason whatsoever to remember you!

AntiChristian:
Baba, keep mute please. You once bragged here you were a Muslim before and that you heard from your clerics muslims will have virgins in paradise. No be nonsense you dey spread against Islam abi na watchtower tract you dey share?

Ọmọ, this is a public forum!

alignacademy:
Hi there
The number of people who keep showing up at my gate to beg is becoming alarming
And they all have the same storyline: looking for work, no food, etc
And when I ask them whether they've tried their local church (they're Christians), their response isn't encouraging
Aren't there interdenominational organizations that help in supporting the needy in our society?
And by supporting, I mean like giving them some sort of gainful employment beyond just "dashing" them rice for the cameras?
What do you think?
@Corrections
@OLAADEGBU
@servantofGod22
@jiggaz
@State001
@RussellRutherfo
@BornofGod108
@elated177

Please the highlighted is blasphemy against the true God!
This are the utterances found in the words of the true God:

The LORD is my shepherd, I lack nothing. Psalms 23:1

Fear the LORD, you his holy people, for those who fear him lack nothing.Psalms 34:9

I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread.Psalms 37:25

For the LORD God is a sun and shield; the LORD bestows favor and honor; no good thing does he withhold from those whose walk is blameless.Psalms 84:11

So do you think those coming to your house and begging for food are worshipers of this same God?
Please leave the parable of Lazarus and the rich man out of this because Jesus wasn't telling a story there but a PARABLE!

MightySparrow:
That is the 'Delusion'
Many! many!! many!!! Not all
You will be remembered for your delusional analyses and comical, parochial lectures, and abysmal ignorance of God' s dealings
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
2Cor. 10: 12

Keep deceiving yourself!
There is nothing worthwhile to remember about you so find something tangible to do now that you've heard from me because i will not tell you lies to make you feel happy.
If the truth hurts you well there's nothing i can do about it, i have even forgotten you if not for quoting me you're just like millions on this forum that's coming and going.
I surely remembered OLAADEGBU when he stopped commenting because he is a staunch member of his Church (Deeperlife) always talking about Kumuyi and trying to present the Church's activities despite the fact that we are not on the same page i respect him a lot.
Of course i will miss such a person when there's nobody to talk about Deeperlife on the religious section the way OLAADEGBU often does.
So even though i never agreed with him i respect his steadfastness and loyalty because that's the quality my God cherishes. But as for someone like you!
Well maybe someone else may remember you but definitely not me!

What You Should Know About Christmas

MILLIONS worldwide are getting ready to enjoy the 2002 Christmas season. Perhaps you are among them. On the other hand, it may not be your custom to share in the religious aspects of this popular celebration. Either way, you are not likely to escape the influence of Christmas. It permeates the worlds of commerce and entertainment, even in non-Christian lands.

What do you know about Christmas? Is the celebration of Christ’s birth supported in the Bible? What is behind this popular celebration held every December 25th?

Christmas Banned

If you take a few moments to research this subject, you will find that Christmas has no roots in true Christianity. Many Bible scholars of various religious denominations acknowledge this. With that in mind, it should not surprise you that in England, Cromwell’s Parliament decreed in 1647 that Christmas be a day of penance and then banned it outright in 1652. Parliament purposely met on December 25 every year from 1644 to 1656. According to historian Penne L. Restad, “ministers who preached on the Nativity risked imprisonment. Churchwardens faced fines for decorating their churches. By law, shops stayed open on Christmas as if it were any regular business day.” Why such drastic measures? Puritan reformers believed that the church should not create traditions that did not exist in the Scriptures. They actively preached and distributed literature denouncing Christmas celebrations.

Similar attitudes were evident in North America. Between the years 1659 and 1681, Christmas was banned in the Massachusetts Bay Colony.* According to the law enacted then, Christmas was not to be observed in any form or fashion. Violators were subject to a fine. Not only were Puritans in New England uncomfortable with celebrating Christmas but some groups in the middle colonies were also. Pennsylvania Quakers were as adamant as the Puritans in their view of the celebration. One source says that “shortly after Americans had won their independence, Elizabeth Drinker, a Quaker herself, divided Philadelphians into three categories. There were Quakers, who ‘make no more account of it [Christmas] than another day,’ those who were religious, and the rest who ‘spend it in riot and dissipation.’”

Henry Ward Beecher, a renowned American preacher who was raised in an orthodox Calvinist household, knew little about Christmas until he was 30 years old. “To me Christmas was a foreign day,” wrote Beecher in 1874.

The early Baptist and Congregationalist churches also found no Scriptural grounds for celebrating Christ’s birth. One source notes that it was not until December 25, 1772, that the Baptist Church of Newport [Rhode Island] observed Christmas for the first time. This was approximately 130 years after the founding of the first Baptist church in New England.

The Origin of Christmas

The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges: “The date of Christ’s birth is not known. The gospels indicate neither the day nor the month . . . According to the hypothesis suggested by H. Usener . . . and accepted by most scholars today, the birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian Calendar, January 6 in the Egyptian), because on this day, as the sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun). On Dec. 25, 274, Aurelian had proclaimed the sun-god principal patron of the empire and dedicated a temple to him in the Campus Martius. Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome.”

M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopœdia says: “The observance of Christmas is not of divine appointment, nor is it of N[ew] T[estament] origin. The day of Christ’s birth cannot be ascertained from the N[ew] T[estament], or, indeed, from any other source.”

MightySparrow:
Fine. That is why I have been saying your GB have blinded your mind. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Romans 3: 22
I relate to God, and Jesus not through deluded GB except you have different righteousness than one offers by Jesus I will remember you in spite or your own form of ' righteousness'.
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Romans 10:3.
Continue in your delusion

Hilarious!
Someone says he can't see any reason to remember you but you're saying you have every reason to remember him.
Well that's the import of what my Master, Lord and King said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘ I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

Your kind always wants to relate with us as you can see our righteous WORKS but we have not seen any WORKS worthwhile in you.
So you will surely remember us but since you're just one of our numerous neighbours we can't remember you because you never did anything worth remembering.
That's why Jesus will tell your kind "i never knew you, Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!
I will not lie to you my guy i can't see a reason to remember you!

OBALOLA55:
YOU CANNOT EVEN DEFEND THE SCAM YOU CALLED CHRISTIANITY YOU AGENT OF DEVIL

It's not by calling people names my guy preach your Islam and let everyone see the value of your religion, you don't need criticizing other people's religion if you have something worthwhile!

MightySparrow:
I told you, I quit Nairaland by December 31, before then we are related. Sweet memories.

Well it's the righteous that will be remembered no one remembers the wicked. Psalms 9:17
I know those i can't forget even if Nairaland seize to exist you are not even close to the list because i can't remember anything unique about you!

If i did not give EVIDENCE of the fact that there is a spiritual INJECTION that comes with the truth from God's word most people won't see it as REAL!
Each commentator is here to criticize God's people not because this group has done anything unlawful or harmful in the society but because they remain as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers despite all the challenges they faced in history.
But the funniest part is how commentators from different sects and religions are coming in to express their grievances against just one member of the group for keeping his faith.
Noteworthy is what each critic has to say about Maximus who did nothing more than sticking to his faith!

Lukuluku69:
Ki la wi kini wi?
Say something about 1914, 1918 and many stupid signposts set up by your Organization. That is what this thread is about.

Ògbéni Lukuluku, let the accusers go and find themselves better performing groups than JWs it's not by force to worship with a religion when you're sure they're fake nah!

DeepSight:
Exactly/ They are hateful, brainwashed fanatical hypocrites of the filthiest kind.

HATEFUL
BRAINWASHED
FANTASTICAL
HYPOCRITES
FILTHIEST
Yet this is the one and only group coming to visit you in your homes just to share what they believe with you and if you don't accept their message there can be mutual agreement on cohabitation, unlike those that will not say a word to you but come with cutlasses, swords, machetes and guns to kill you in your own house simply because you don't share their beliefs!
Continue deceiving yourselves, we know that it's the INJECTION of truth that's driving you nuts, even a deaf knows that the best form of worship is the one who made it a compulsion for adherents to speak with neighbours on how to cohabit peacefully:

Paul's letter says "against (JWs) there is no law" {Galatians 5:23b} this means you can only continue agitating underG you have nothing as in NOTHING tangible to say against God's people! Matthew 5:12

Lukuluku69:
Deflecting again. The post never ask me to present my Faith.
Read the Thread Topic again and at least try and do justice to it.
Your Organization's warped Doctrines and Tortured interpretations are allowed.

DeepSight:
Many ancient religions practiced sacred sexual rites as part of their religious ceremonies.

It cannot be denied that cop.ulation releases life-giving forces and is the most integral expression of the positive and negative elements inherent in creation.

Can we begin to put aside the paraochial disdain for copulation that is inherent in the paranoid religions - Christianity, Islam and Judaism, and do the right thing by RETURNING SEX TO THE ALTAR.

Public Ritual cop.ulation should be performed in every church and mosque at the beginning and end of prayers.

Only this way can we unleash the life giving powers of the earth into our spiritual consciousness.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO FILL THE POLL ABOVE.

I know you won't say anything about the highlighted suggested by your fellow INJECTED accuser of God's people instead your interest is in accusing the people who had nothing to do with your religion! John 17:14-16

DeepSight:
Stalker and Voyyeur.
What a creep.

Who is the STALKER here now?
You came all the way from God knows where to say bad things about a Nairalander for not agreeing with you on religious ideas.
But instead of accusing you without proof like you did to me i quoted what you typed with your own hands saying everyone should engage in public sex on the altars!
I don't need to ask you if you're suggesting such should be done on the altar of our own God because our God detests such acts, surely you know the altars you have in mind! Job 36:14

Please avoid me because i will infuse the injection of truth deeper Into your brains and there's nothing you can do other than false accusations! Matthew 5:11-12

MightySparrow:
Except he is not human.
Who knows like you were in the confusion of Islam, he came become a Christian tomorrow: not a Jehovah witness.

Good!
So respond to him not me i never asked you any questions Mr Related!

History of a Nairalander who is here to market his religion just as Jesus commanded his true followers to be at it as if their life depends on it.
Well Paul has said it all:

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

I'm waiting to see a law (humane) that anyone can raise or quote against God's people and their activities throughout the world!

INJECTION at WORK!

There are two conditions at death that we all need to know, that's what the verse means!
If you want me to use the scriptures to expatiate further i'll do but that's just the short answer to your question!
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

DeepSight:
He is a deranged extremist fundamentalist fanatic, don't waste your time.

Many of them were saying: “He (Jesus) has a demon and is out of his mind. Why do you listen to him?” John 10:20

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

The INJECTION at work!

Below is FINE WORKS of an INJECTED accuser of God's people!

DeepSight:
Many ancient religions practiced sacred sexual rites as part of their religious ceremonies.

It cannot be denied that cop.ulation releases life-giving forces and is the most integral expression of the positive and negative elements inherent in creation.

Can we begin to put aside the paraochial disdain for copulation that is inherent in the paranoid religions - Christianity, Islam and Judaism, and do the right thing by RETURNING SEX TO THE ALTAR.

Public Ritual cop.ulation should be performed in every church and mosque at the beginning and end of prayers.

Only this way can we unleash the life giving powers of the earth into our spiritual consciousness.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO FILL THE POLL ABOVE.

If you want to attract God's Active Force (Holy Spirit) just seek righteousness and meekness that's all! Zephaniah 2:2-3 compared to Matthew 5:3-9
May you have PEACE!

Lukuluku69:
The Jewish ANNOINTMENT you read in your Bible is for every Tom and Dick. Pots, Pans, Pillars were anointed in your Bible. It happens with people given to too many ceremonies.

Our definition of being anointed has to do with being choosen by God Himself to be a Prophet. No one choose a Prophet for God. He chooses you. He anoints you.

Can you quote, cite or just remember anyone who is anointed in the Bible apart from Kings and Priests?
Never mind where it is in the Bible just remember the name and i'll quote it for you!

Lukuluku69:
Oga Ade, I was expecting to read your organization explanation for all the failed Prophecies but what I saw were deflections, rigmaroles, abuse on your part and a new one INJECTION, INJECTED Lol.

Please offer an explanation at least!

Another proof of the fact that the INJECTION is real!
Who are those asking questions and what is their problem with an organization's failure?
Is this the one and only organization they knew to have failed?
So what exactly is happening to them that they can't find a better organization and forget the failed one?

Don't tell me you came all the way from Islam to ask questions regarding the prophecies of another religion when you can seize the opportunity to PRESENT YOUR OWN RELIGION AND IT'S VALUES!

After seeing how difficult it is to debunk the truth they'll start trailing the bearers up and down!

HellVictorinho3:
I wasn't talking to Beautiful Nubia.

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ Ọ́mọ́ Ọmọ
Ò bá mà ṣiṣẹ́ ọwọ́ rẹ̀ dandan
Ìgbà ń bọ̀ kánkán toò ní lè là kàà kàà
Ilé-ayé ẹ̀dá bí ìṣẹ́jú akàn mà lórí
Ọba jẹ́ a lògbà yìí pẹ́ o l'ayé ~ Beautiful Nubia

Now the translation of the lyrics:


Child Child Child

You need to get busy and diligent at work now.

Fast approaching is the time when you'll become an old man unable to struggle again.

Man's life is as swift as the blink of an eye (a second)

May the good Lord be with us all

With this i say may you have PEACE!

Janosky:
See whose talking about "blind and deaf to Bible evidences"

KNOWMORE56 worships 3 persons by his own admission, did Jesus Christ your exemplar worship 3 persons?

1 Corinthians 11:1, Jesus is an exemplar to Paul. Did Paul worship 3 persons?

I told them that the truth is like an INJECTION that once taken into the body the person can never remain the same.
It's either he/she goes about antagonizing the bearers of truth if he/she has no truth in him.
Or
Become close associates of the bearers looking for ways to get more and become a bearer better of than those who taught him/her.

Anytime you see people who feels indifferent towards our message know that such a person hasn't gotten the import of our message, nobody gets the import and remain the same!