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seunmsg:
So, if all the sins I’ve committed are just occasional consumption of alcohol, having consensual sex with matured and unmarried ladies, and not going to church on Sundays, am I also qualified to be labeled a wicked soul that should be burnt forever and ever in hell?

First of all hell means grave that's where all dead people go {Ecclesiastes 9:10} but as for the evil that makes God reject people it is about what you won't accept but doing it to others! Matthew 7:12

Chijeep:
Why did he watched them consumed by the flood he sent?

He want them to die so they won't be able to disturb His program!

olaniyilukman:
that righteousness needs better slap i swear

No!
They have a zeal for God but not with knowledge {Romans 10:2-3} they thought since both the good and evil die they can't fathom the punishment for evildoers.
God promised to bring back good people for another chance {Job 14:13-15} but as for the evildoers as in those who deliberately choose to be evil God will not remember them so the grave becomes their lasting home! Psalms 9:17

What about people who never heard of God's word or Jesus?
God said if they had lived by conscience He will remember them! Romans 2:14-15

There is no single verse in the scriptures that says there is something people need to do so that they can go to heaven.
Even Jesus doesn't have that authority to take anyone to heaven because it's not a place made for humans {Psalms 115:16} only God chooses those who will join the Christ as corulers in heaven and nobody can decide to go there because it does not depend on human effort {Matthew 20:23} God only select a few as in limited number among Jesus' loyal disciples that will rule with him in heaven only the twelve Apostles got that Visa first and it's because they were loyal to the mission Jesus established with the last drop of their blood. That's why Judas Iscariot lost out due to his love for money.

But after the twelve Apostles nobody can decide to become a born again Christian because God chooses them the same way He chose Jesus.

What is certain for all faithful servants of God is everlasting life on earth which is what all servants of God believe from time immemorial! Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5🙂

zoedew:
Take this and am done with you as I expect that for a genuine seeker an agglomeration of all the scriptures outlined on this thread should suffice.

Romans 10:8-13
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

pfadom:
There's always a consequence for every act of commission, omission and disobedience.
What does the state/government gain by punishing criminality? Every act of transgression of the law attracts punishment.

YES!

And God's word specifically says the wages (punishment or consequence) of sin is death. Romans 6:23

Not torment nah?😟

Which verse says there is something people need to do for them to go to heaven?🤔

zoedew:
Go get a copy of the Bible and read it diligently. Amongst several passages answering your question you will see the following:
1. John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2. John 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

3. John 14:2
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3-4
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

4.John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

5.Hebrews 12:14-15
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

franavaro:
Very valid question.
I want you to ask yourself this question- “What will a Judge gain after sentencing an offender to prison”.

The human judge was chosen by humans to help put the society in order so it's the citizens that gain when evil ones are sent to a place of inactivity where they won't have the opportunity to inflict pain on law-abiding citizens.

That's exactly what God promised to do not tormenting living creatures! Psalms 37:9-11

Steep:
yes before the resurrection of Christ everyone who died went to hell and that is because the price for redemption had not being paid but however, those who died in the faith of God's promise when separated from those who died without God and they were conforted pending when Jesus would fulfill die for sin.
So after Jesus had finished the work on hell, he went to hell to reveal himself to the dead and bring out those who died in faith of God's promise so that after Jesus resurrection any saints who die go straight to be with Christ.

Can you back all these with the scripture?
John the baptist, Stephen, James and many other born again Christians died after Jesus' resurrection yet Paul still referred to them as "dead" who will rise! 1Thessalonians 4:16

So please from where will they rise because Paul said it's after resurrection that they will be with the Christ? 1Thessalonians 4:17🤔

There are thousands of Gods worshiped by billions across the globe and all these Gods are talking about virtuous works.
So what evidence do you have that Bible God is the true God?🤔

Insectkiller:
How does that move God??
Just accept Him and be saved..
That's all..
It's not about your human reasoning or imagination on what happened next..
I don preach to you "Accept Jesus and be saved".. Nah the only gate way be that..
Come on shift

I tire o!

philipobiz:
That passage you are quoting is saying life and death. Not life and hell. So you guys manufactured hell as a place of tomment, when hell simply means grave.

But the Bible teaches that all dead people (including Jesus) were in hell until Jesus was raised by God!

Steep:
If you don't want to be in hell, then you must be born again.

Steep:
Hell is a place as well as a state. Hell is a place of separation from God, and also the consequence of being separated from God.

Can you quote the above in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

Please where did God's word say there is needful to be done for people to go to heaven?🤔

zoedew:
The consequence for who believes heaven and hell are real and is doing the needful to get to heaven if it was a scam is a better position than the consequence for you should it turn out that it is your position that is the scammed one! Should it turn out a scam the fellow loses nothing having lived righteously on earth but your goose is cooked for eternity it was you who turned out to have been scammed into believing that heaven are hell are not real!!! Repent now before it is too late for you!!!!

God gave humans two options:

Everlasting life in Paradise. Psalms 37:29

Everlasting destruction. Psalms 37:9-11

What God declared to Adam (the first and foremost sinner) is either to choose life or death. Genesis 2:17; Deuteronomy 30:19

Righteousness2:
GOD ALMIGHTY did not send you or burn you in Hell.
You choose to go to hell by yourself.
GOD will not force himself on us.
GOD puts before us choices and the consequences of the various choices.
He also admonishes us to choose life. But will never force you.
Whatever choice you choose, you get the consequence.[i][/i]

reubenobi:
stop misquoting scripture for your selfish use.

Please explain what God is saying in that verse!🤔

In Bible times when that law was written it's skirt their men were wearing!

pooozeee:
We heard the burning from the holy books. Have you ever heard about anyone that has ever been burnt by God?

YES!
God rained fire on Sodom and Gomorrah to DESTROY those cities but to keep living creatures in torment makes no practical sense to Him in fact it makes Him a liar because what He told Adam is that death is the wages of sin {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} so at death man has fully gotten the punishment for his evil deeds {Romans 6:7} but if the evildoer continues living after death then it means Satan is the one saying the truth because he emphatically said death is not real! Genesis 3:4

So who lied between God and Satan?

I choose to believe Jesus who said Satan is the liar! John 8:44

Chijeep:
But he swept off the whole world with flood abi
U go soon learn.

God has always remove evildoers during His time to judge {Psalms 37:7-11} that's the right thing to do but sustaining life creatures and tormenting them is evil in His eyes!😟

Righteousness2:
Who de feed you all these scrap? That person is a WICKED PERSON IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
Wake up man. No play with your soul.
Heaven is Real.
Hell Fire is real.
As I type this , people are entering them , based on the choice they made while on Earth.
No let any Nonsense talk kn the name of sect Deceive you.

Search Read and Study the Word of GOD, the Holy Bible. It is Clearly and Loudly written for you to see know Nd Understand. No play with your soul.

There is no word whether in Hebrew or Greek that's called "HELLFIRE" the churches scammed you!😟

Burning you for what?

Well this is what the Bible God feel about tormenting living people?


They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. ‭Jeremiah 7:31 NIV‬

Tormenting living people in fire has never ever come into the mind of our God!

Antichristian2:
If Jesus died for Adam's sins only then what about Eve's sin!
Eve too did ate from the fruit of the tree right?

The couple is gone forever they died for their disobedience so during resurrection both of them will not be raised back to life unlike their descendants who inherited sin through them.

Antichristian2:
We are not talking about God reading hearts but God knowing everything! Can't you be straight for once?

Will you be close to everyone if by getting closer you can read their thoughts?
That's why God is not close to everyone and thus angels have to report to Him when things are getting out of hand! Genesis 18:20-21
If it is claimed that Jesus died as God, we must remember that God is eternal and does not die.

Antichristian2:
Adam was called son of God by virtue of God creating him. He truly has no father and mother!
So which Bible verse states what you typed below once again?

Sickness, oldage and death came along with sin so Adam grew old after sinning but all other humans are growing old, getting sick and dying because we are descendants of Adam.
Adam spent 930 years due to his perfect human body but gradually things started getting bad as we are further away from the perfect state.

Antichristian2:
If Jesus died as a man, then it seems unfair that one man could atone for the sins of the entire world. Shouldn't it be a soul for a soul?

Jesus died as a soul but a perfect soul equivalent to Adam! 1Corinthans 15:45

HacheNoire:
I have come to realization that God is the beginning and the end. He who knows the beginning and the end of everything he created.
My question now is that, why do we work-out, eat healthy and live healthy if the end is already ordained? Does it mean we can alter God’s plan or extend our time on Earth that deviates from God’s appointed time?
Psalm 139:16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

The verse means God has arranged the DNA so that by the time a creature is in its formation it will take the resemblance of its parents not that God masterminded what each person will do in life.

They are not Christians but since people don't know how to distinguish between true and fake prophets these bats have been deceiving the masses pretending to be birds and rats at the same time.

Antichristian2:
You can ask that on the thread you create and i will post the hadith to cure your ignorance. The Thread is for How Did Paul Know It Was Jesus Talking To him?

Run away from the truth at least you are now aware that Muhammad was lying to those people no angel spoke to him.

Antichristian2:
This are your own words you read into the context. Let's unpack your falsehood one by one!
Psalm 139:1-4
O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit and when I rise; You understand my thoughts from afar. You search out my path and my lying down; You are aware of all my ways. Even before a word is on my tongue, You know all about it, O LORD.
The simply means God knows everything about us.
And 1 John 3:20 is explicitly clear - Even if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts, and He knows all things.

The Psalmist is a servant of God that is why God is close to him not all humans:

Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones. James 4:8

God is only close to honest hearted and sincere individuals not all kinds of people that's why He doesn't know what everyone is thinking.

Antichristian2:
You are to explain how Jesus dying for Adam's sin is fair according to Jehovah?

Why did Jehovah make Adam's descendants inherit sins they never commit? Why is the sin inherited but not the good deed abi Adam no get any good? And Jehovah could have just forgiven them instead of leting another person who never sinned die for Adam!

My issue is why is it that your theory only proposes the inheritance of sin and not the opposite of sin? And why did the inheriting stopped with Adam? Why are your kids not inheriting your sins? Why didn't Abraham's sons inherit his sins? Why didn't John the Baptist inherit his father's sins?

Adam was a perfect human who couldn't get sick or attacked by animals or beaten by insects not to talk of being slave to any human that's why only him could transfer sin to his descendants as for imperfect humans each of us will answer for his or her own error.

Antichristian2:
You came from why didn't the Angels appear to people other than him! When i bursted your Ignorant ex-muslim label you come dey change word! It was only an instant! I thought you were Muslim before? So what did you read back then grandpa? 0/10

If the Quran has the truth please answer the question because you said Paul was the only person relating his own story so if Muhammad wasn't lying to those men how come he was the only one Gabriel spoke to.
If God's angel taught all of them how come only Muhammad is recognized as the messenger of your god?😟
Ọmọ lies can't last i know you will dodge the question but it's OK when next you want to throw a stone remember you are living in a glass house!🙂

btoks:
Effectively, you are saying the church that Jesus Himself established collapsed the moment the apostles died. That would mean his promise failed. He said the Spirit would guide His Church, that the gates of hell would not prevail against it, and that He would be with it until the end. Well , I leave that one with you and Jesus Christ.

He said he will be with his church not false religions claiming Christians.
After his Apostles were all slaughtered Satan established falsehood {Matthew 13:25} so Jesus wasn't with those false religionists that's why he asked "when i returns will i still finds the faith i established?" Luke 18:8
He asked this question knowing fully well that Satan will establish falsehood and that's what the world will embrace not the truth he established.
Of course Jesus is always with his true disciples but they were silenced and the churches of Christendom intimated them until they couldn't speak against falsehood anymore! Revelation 11:7-10

btoks:
Greetings, if the church had the authority to rule on the judaizer controversy in Acts 15, what makes you think this authority was lost and the same church couldn't rule on disputes afterwards including the iconoclast controversy?

Jesus said:
"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

The Apostles only set matters straight among the disciples using the scriptures {2Timothy 3:16} that's why Jesus said their will be peace among them. John 14:26-26

By the time those churches were doing these things the Apostles were all dead the spirit of love is no more operational among the churches and they have started fighting and killing themselves including others using politics to impose rules.

So whatever they decided upon at that time is no longer with the spirit of God rather forcefully imposing philosophy on people.

Janosky:
You don't have any evidence just hear say.

It's whatever their pastors told them that matters if their pastors say JWs don't eat food they will start asking you why you don't eat instead of verifying for themselves.