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DiarisGodoo:
He is dead. How can he be among "we who are alive" when Christ comes?

Paul was alive when he penned down the words so he is talking about those who are alive among the anointed ones that's why he said those who are dead among born again Christians will rise first.

So if Christ returns to take them home to himself Paul who is now dead will be among those to go first!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
Isn't it amazing that despite that I'm wiping the floor with you the lives in Religion section

With your RAPTURE case shey?

You try jàre!😂

tctrills:
Oga stick to your bible and what has been revealed. Leave guesswork alone. We already know that the sacrifice of Christ for our sins is God's plan. That is clearly stated in your bible. So these other abstract questions are distractions. Hope you get it now?

Continue deceiving yourself God never planned to send Jesus in the beginning it was Adamic sin that warrants sending a redeemer otherwise mankind doesn't need Jesus to come and die for anyone's sin.

That's the absolute truth!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
When Paul said "we who are alive" who was he refering to since Christ never "came down from heaven" durring his time?

ANOINTED CHRISTIANS like himself!

DiarisGodoo:
"Caught up in the air" and "one taken, and one left", the closest single word in English for that is "rapture".
If you disagree, let's see your own word to replace it

The closest English word no wonder RAPTURE appears in some English Bible versions!

DiarisGodoo:
That's the question you were asked. Go and formulate a coherent answer for it in case you meet another person who actually knows the Bible.

I obviously know the scriptures much more than you as I read them with an OPEN mind, not with preconceived notions and programmed mind

You know the scriptures so much yet you are so ashamed of Jesus Christ that you never dropped one message as a thread and to worsen your condition the system say you are not even interested in scriptural topics.

Ọmọ you can deceive yourself but not the Internet!

DiarisGodoo:
Does "your people" include the Bible below. It says "come"

I told you several times that there are TWO as in TWO sets of faithful people and Jesus told his disciples saying:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd" John 10:16

So when Paul was addressing those Born Again Christians he is talking about the first set which comprises of anointed Christians only!

But since you are poised to insult you won't even check the verses all you want to do is argue based on dogma infused in your heart!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
See etymology of rapture below

So what correlation is between those who will go and meet Jesus in heaven and those who will be seized or snatched away?

That's why no version of the Bible used that word because it negates what Jesus and his disciples taught.

Those going to heaven knew where they are going and they have become anointed so they are aware of their movement it's only the time they don't know which means they are not seized nor snatched away!😂

DiarisGodoo:
I don't know the genesis of this "parousia" discussion

Yet you want to argue what you don't even understand?

Well "parousia" means PRESENCE which most of your people translated as "COMING"

But since you are arrogant there's no reason to continue disturbing one's brain to teach you! Matthew 7:6

Janosky:
Ohh Chinekem.
Ewoooo !!!!!!

He just jumped into the discussion and from the onset i discovered he is aggressively seeking to throw insults but i chose to be polite with him until he finally came out openly to prove what he is!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
Go back and formulate an answer when someone asks you at what point would people "caught up in the air" (raptured) would return to earth, instead of covering it up with nonsense

So after reading where Paul said they will have to stay with Jesus in heaven forever you came back to say they will return to earth shey?🙂

Ọmọ see your profile below, you don't know anything about scripture so stay where you can be relevant!

DiarisGodoo:
Wise one you truly fall hand.
Rapture us an English word. The Bible was not written in English
"Rapture" is the word used to describe what happens in passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, where it is stated that believers will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. The term "rapture" comes from the Latin word rapere for "to be seized" or "caught up," which is a translation of the Greek word harpazo found in the passage.

Mr Socrates, the word RAPTURE was never used by any Bible version because it makes no sense as it's real meaning correlates with RAPE.

Check your dictionary!😂

Janosky:

Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

After mentioning RAPTURE wey no dey inside Bible your friend can't quote and explain any other thing so he turned to Greek philosopher Socrates.

At least that one makes perfect sense to him!

DiarisGodoo:
Why are you obsessed with Socrates that has nothing to do with anything? Just accept you have no answer when someone asks about Paul's statement in 1 Thessalonians vis a vis eternal life on earth, and go back and rework your presentation to accommodate that. Not continuing saying things that don’t make sense

Sorry Mr Socrates at least your RAPTURE is found in God's word it's eternal life on earth and reigning with Christ in heaven that you can SPIRITUALLY talk about without explanation!😂

Socrates student!

No wonder you are just following dogma up and down.

DiarisGodoo:
So when will this "eternal life on earth" happen? Before or after the raptured? Where will those raptured go?

Where is RAPTURE in the Bible?

Mr Socrates just keep arguing and looking for opportunities to throw insults here and there without dropping one belief as he discovered RAPTURE no dey Bible!😂

DiarisGodoo:
Socrates didn't have disciples, he had students. I just used that as illustration. At least you've learnt you need to go back and rework your presentation as sometimes you meet people who actually know the Bible

OK you're one of Socrates's students shey?

He really trained you jàre unlike Jesus whose students presents the right answer when they knew something is wrong Socrates only taught you to ask questions and continue disregarding all the evidences presented in the Bible without explaining your own beliefs.

Ọmọ you try jàre!😂

Janosky:
Oga, the Greek (G3952) word "parousia" meaning "presence" @ 1 Thess 4:15 & Matt 24:3.

Let that word "Parousia" guide your understanding of both Matt 24:3 & 1 Thes 4:15.

Most Translations render it as "Coming" but it should rather be presence.

@ Matt24:3, Christ was talking about presence.

IYKYk .

He is using another account to attack as he doesn't know what to do with all the evidences presented in the scriptures!

tctrills:
Let us stick to what is revealed. I never spoke about man staying with Him in heaven or staying here on earth. I only said that Jesus Christ coming to die for our sins is the original plan according to the bible.

What of Satan rebelling against God so that Adam and Eve joined him then many angels also joined Satan to rebel against God?
Are these all not part of the script plan?

DiarisGodoo:
Just like Socrates used to ask his students questions to help them learn. But you just kept saying more nonsense to cover previous nonsense

OK you are a disciple of Socrates.

No wonder!😂

DiarisGodoo:
you are talking total and complete nonsense

What you wanted to say all along so why asking questions when you already figured everything out by yourself?🙂

fuckJones:
My question now is what was God original plan for man, was it for man to stayed with him in heaven or to stay here on earth?

Simple question if we study the Bible.
Difficult question if we follow dogma.

Rebellious people!
Instead of seeking those God anointed to teach His worshipers they just want to form woke all of a sudden after rebelling against their teachers.

EARTH:
The planet God created specifically for humans to live in! Psalms 115:16

WORLD:
Disobedient humans carried away by the devil {2Corinthians 4:4 compare to 1John 5:19} with selfishness, greed and lust which God promised to destroy! 1John 2:15-17

So the foundation of planet EARTH is God's own doing {Genesis 1:1} but the foundation of the WORLD was Satan's doing he persuaded Adam and Eve to rebel against God and from that moment something new which God did not plan began: generations upon generations of rebellious humans making life unbearable for obedient and peace loving people.

That's the difference between EARTH and WORLD!🙂

tctrills:
Lol, your logic always fails. The pattern always repeats. We have gotten so used to you and your system. But its ok bro have a great day

At least you have missed the meaning of biblical EARTH and misconstrued it with WORLD that's enough amusement for today!

tctrills:
This is why I love you. You have an incredible ability to say crazy things.
So tell me, when was the foundation of the world made?
You are about to hook yourself.

Ọmọ continue with your audience after all you too need to feel like a teacher so don't let me pour sand for your gari!🙂

tctrills:
You are free to disagree with the word of God. But did you not just read that Christ was choosen to save us even before the foundation of the earth? So why fight with the word of God
I only speak the written word of God not my opinion

You don't have to worry because even if i show you the truth it has always been your way to argue on and on.

There is a difference between the earth and the world.

So foundation of the world is not the same thing as foundation of the earth!🙂

tctrills:
It teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was God's original plan from the foundation of the world. Hence, God clearly knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, and He already made provision for that even before they came to earth.
Has this answered your question?

The highlighted is what i disagree with but if your audience is satisfied there is no need going back and forth with you on the matter that's your own opinion!

Walklifeman:
Ugandan lady suggests another way God can judge the unrighteous outside hell

The misconception false religion spread is disturbing billions as they don't want to buy life's water free. Revelations 22:17 compare to John 8:32

There is no Hellfire anywhere, what God promised is to remove evildoers from among the living so that peace could reign on planet earth! Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

Jesus was speaking in parables not using literal words that's why his statement confused a lot of Jews who knew God never thought of roasting people alive! Jeremiah 7:31

Michaelajah:
he is still the Lord over what you may believe in, except you don't believe in anything at all and that's dangerous.

Who is still Lord over who?
Well if you're talking about Jesus we can say Paul knows him better than you and Paul said Jesus is still under the person who made him Lord and Christ {1Corinthans 15:27-28} David said Jehovah told Jesus "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet" {Psalms 110:1} so Jesus will forever remain under Jehovah his father and God! John 20:17

tctrills:
I just did Revelation 13:8.
You guys should stop asking questions like kids at this stage, you should know how to find verses in your bible.

And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it. From the founding of the world, not one of their names has been written in the scroll of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered. NWT

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All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. NIV‬


Everyone living on earth would worship the beast. These are all the people since the beginning of the world whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life. The Lamb is the one who was killed. ERV



And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. KJV

Do you think what this place is saying is that God already killed Jesus before Adam and Eve committed sin?
Because according to the Bible it was the sin Adam and Eve committed that warrants the sacrifice Jesus made!😟

tctrills:
Actually no.
The bible clearly states that Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth. This shows that the original plan even before the world was created was for Jesus Christ to come and die for our sins. This wouldn't have been necessary if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit.

Please can you quote the highlighted in the Bible?😟

SpencerForbes:
Someone said we ain’t going to heaven. I was going to do a research on that. That there’s only a new world and hell
How true is that

Are you now scared of what religionist say or you're just been sarcastic?🙂