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DiarisGodoo:
Believe me wise one, I'm calming down. You were only asked if new Christians in Thessalonia, who infact didn't yet understand what Christianity was all about, were "the anointed Christians who will live as kings and priests with Christ in heaven" who were the rest that'll be on earth, and what were the determining criteria?

After Jesus commissioned Christianity the first set of people in different nations that accepted Christianity often become members of the anointed just as the first twelve apostles of Jesus that is the criteria because they will have to suffer all the persecution Satan will set before them as they struggle to preach and teach in their neighborhood. Matthew 20:20-23

So it's the same criteria that all humans need to qualify for everlasting life but those who first become Christians are to be considered first before others.

God chooses among Christians those who are willing to let go everything they had for the kingdom interest {Mark 10:28-30 compare to Luke 18:18-23} just as the twelve apostle who surrendered everything they own to live the rest of their lives as pioneers of the faith.

Some are also selected in later times as Christianity is reaching their nation and they surrender their lives to work for the master.

Their number will be 144,000 they will live forever just like other faithful servants of God but their destination differs from that of others while others inherit EARTH {Matthew 5:5} they will inherit HEAVEN! Matthew 5:3

Abraham is dead in his grave what Jesus meant is that Abraham is living in God's memory not that he is alive anywhere resurrection is the only hope all humans have and it's only dead people that will be resurrected not those living!🙂

Ken4Christ:
Abraham is a dependant of Adam. And Jesus said that Abraham is alive.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

So, if Abraham can be regarded as living though physically dead, why do you think Adam can't also be living in the spirit realm?

Besides, the souls of Saints of Old that died went to Abraham’s bosom also known as paradise.

Adam was created in the image of God. And God is a Spirit being. So, man basically is also a spirit being. Adam’s body was later formed after he was created.

DiarisGodoo:
Ok, forgive me wise one. Paul was writing to new Christians in Thassalonia. If these were "anointed Christians who will live as kings and priests with Christ in heaven", who are "the rest of the righteous who will live here on earth"?

DiarisGodoo:
Ok wise one. About how many will turn non-human

Billions of people who died before Jesus was born and those who lived after the limited number God wanted as corulers with Christ are completed.

In the beginning of creation God never purposed that humans will live in heaven what God arranged for mankind is planet earth {Psalms 115:16} but after the rebellion in Eden God promised to use a different creature to settle the case Satan raised in Eden {Genesis 3:15} it was this prophecy that Christ came to fulfill and as God wanted it Jesus and his corulers were supposed to stay in Jerusalem and rule the earth from there {Isaiah 2:3; 9:6-7} but the Jews polluted that land with the blood of God's prophets so God abandoned Jerusalem {Matthew 23:37-38} that is why Jesus told his supposed corulers that he is going to prepare another place where they will stay with him to rule over the earth! John 14:1-3

In fact his disciples were surprised as he keeps talking about another destination which they never heard before instead of Jerusalem! Act 1:6-8

Calling me wise one doesn't change the fact that you are aggressive instead of calming down to learn!😟

SpencerForbes:
All this is just fallacy and marketing gimmicks. I’ve been to lots of churches even the ones you don’t know of and you see that love you all preach, we can find something slightly related to that at a smoking joint than in the church.
Sorry preacher but the church of today is filled with wickedness
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Thanks for your time!🙂

Sunnyshinylight:
We need have no fear of GOD ALMIGHTIEST who loves us perfectly; HIS PERFECT LOVE for us eliminates all dread of what HE might do to us. If we are afraid, it is for fear of what HE might do to us and shows that we are not fully convinced that HE really loves us. So you see, our love for HIM comes as a result of HIS LOVING us first.

You can't make sense to believers in Hellfire because to them FEAR is the main reason they accepted the religion they practice.
How can you convince someone that he or she shouldn't be scared of the one who will torment living creatures for all eternity?😟
The agonizing thought keeps them in constant fear each moment of their lives so it's impossible to convince them that the word translated FEAR doesn't connote agonizing thoughts.

What Bible writers meant by that word is simple to illustrate imagine yourself being a friend to the nicest, wisest, most loving and faithful person in the entire universe {Exodus 34:6} surely you will cherish such friendship than anything else. But for a change how will you feel when someone tries to persuade you into hurting your friend's feelings which may damage the friendship you've built over the years?
Surely you will FEAR never to allow such thing to happen!

That's what Bible writers meant when they use that word.

For instance God promised to raise the dead back to life and all His worshipers of ancient times strongly believe in this hope:

O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!  If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands! Job 14:13-15

Here Job is talking about the time when God will forgive mankind and bring back Paradise which Adam and Eve lost for the benefit of His faithful and loyal friends, in fact God promised to swallow death forever {Isaiah 25:8} but what will happen to faithless and wicked people who doesn't care or have any thoughts of God? Surely the disregard they have for God will reflect in the way they speak and treat their fellow humans {Luke 6:45} will they be included in God's plan for people who cherish their relationship with God?
NO!
So while God's friends are remembered for their good deeds the wicked has no record with God therefore they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

This is why faithful servants of God strive to keep their relationship with God because He is the same person who declared a death sentence on mankind and the only person who can save man from such inactive state as grave! Matthew 10:28

DiarisGodoo:
So why were you insisting on bones and hair untill I showed u those too would have disappeared? Also u said they'd be non-human, what are the bodies for?

Guy it's obvious you just want to argue aimlessly.
Those who will become none humans are anointed Christians who are going to live as kings and priests with Christ in heaven so they don't need human bodies {Luke 20:34-36} while those who will live on earth will continue as humans! Psalms 37:29🙂

DiarisGodoo:
Are u saying this below is not in the Bible?

Paul is talking to anointed Christians who will live as kings and priests with Christ in heaven not all righteous people so the rest of the righteous will live here on earth.
Read Matthew 5:3. & 5:5
There Jesus spoke of two separate hopes for righteous people some will live in heaven and the rest will live on planet earth. Psalms 36:29

You don't just argue when someone is showing you Bible references regarding the question you ask read your Bible!🙂

Expanse2020:
tell your brother the truth
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Truths speaker

Easther
December 25
New year

They are all idolatry festival....
Shun it
Jesus and his disciples didn't do it

Only JWs are my brothers the rest of you are my neighbors!🙂

Ken4Christ:
Adam spirit can only be in two possible destinations; heaven or hell. And only God can determine that. His body went back to the dust like every other human.

Did God say Adam has a spirit that will survive his body at death?

Ọmọ nah Satan you dey worship nah him tok sey Adam no go die finish {Genesis 3:4} but what God said is Adam will die as in cease to exist! Genesis 2:17; 3:19

DiarisGodoo:
Yes, but they were not incinerated in an inferno. Their bodies were intact and they continued using them. To raise someone eaten and digested by a shark is different from that, wouldn't u say?

NO! The God who said He is recycling the water this planet has been using till today can easily pick up all the particles that makes up His dead friends anywhere they are and assemble them again that's the import of creating man from dust. Genesis 2:7
If the particles of water drunk by Adam thousands of years ago is what we are still using till today it's not difficult for God to gather all the particles that formed the body of His beloved worshipers and assemble them again!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
So, bottom line, the Bible lied?

Funny Churchian!
How does this translate to Bible lying?

DiarisGodoo:
I don't think you read vs 17 very well. Read it again.

BORN AGAIN Christians will never come back to live as humans again on planet earth so forever they will be with Jesus in heaven as his corulers.
There are two sets of people who will live forever those going to heaven with Jesus {Matthew 5:3; John 14:1-3} and those who will inherit Paradise on earth! Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:29

DiarisGodoo:
But this is what I told you to argue from the beginning, that the resurrection was spiritual not physical. But you kept harping on bones and hair. So you now acknowledge that your bones and hair argument was nonsense

Raising the dead back to life was done by Jesus several times they came back to life physically not spiritual!🙂

Godian45:
As a Christian spiritually U are correct but physically U are not.

1Corinthans 2:15

fuckJones:
I knew I needed to follow the God of
Abraham.

What exactly is special about the God of that man called "Abraham"?🙂

Ken4Christ:
Now I know that you are very wicked. You reject a simple truth and attempt to explain it to suit your opinion. The scripture says that they will be tormented forever. It even added, night and day. But you say, it doesn't mean what it says. You see why I call you an Antichrist. You are a son of perdition; slain from the foundation of the world. You will understand what torment means when you are thrown into hell. But it would be too late to repent.

Where is Adam the first sinner?🙂

If you can't answer what is happening to Adam then you have no understanding of what the Bible is saying!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
And so u were asked ab initio at what point they'd leave "forever" and return to earth

Those going to heaven have no business with earth again those who will live on earth are another set of people! John 10:16

DiarisGodoo:
Rate of total disappearance of a buried body depends on the area. I used Nigeria as reference.
You were also asked of those cremated or incinerated in some accident. No response

Jesus was addressing Jews who used to preserve the bodies of their loved ones in the grave so no matter the condition of the person's body at death God has the power and willing to bring them back to life that's why Revelations 20:13

Said:

"And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds"

So whether their bodies were swallowed and digested in the belly of fish or burnt to arches my God has the power to assemble their bodies because He made man from dust talkless those He will love to see again!

DiarisGodoo:
And be there with him FOREVER. Did you read that part?

And so?🙂

DiarisGodoo:
I'm not arguing at all. I'm only giving you scientific facts. If you bury soneone in Nigeria it won't take up to 30 years for them to disappear completely, bones, hair, and everything

So you mean Nigerian soil differ from all other soil on planet earth?😂

DiarisGodoo:
Oooh, forever doesn't mean forever at all. Wait a minute, so why does it say forever? Why not "till they come back to earth as non-humans?"

Jesus said those going to heaven will become like angels {Luke 20:34+36} what exactly are you arguing about?🙂

DiarisGodoo:
Have you tried Google? How about those cremated. Don't be arguing nonsense, instead argue that it is not physical - that will make more sense.

Are you trying to argue with Jesus or you just don't want me to talk?
Because i'm not telling you what is out of the Bible so do you believe Jesus or not?

DiarisGodoo:
Oh, it is not what I think at all. See it below, written clearly in the Bible

Oh if that is what you mean it's correct because they will never ever come back as humans again.

DiarisGodoo:
Did you see the "forever" in the statement?

Forever is what humans like you think but the Creator said He has the power and willing to call back the dead no matter how long they are in their graves! Job 14:13-15

DiarisGodoo:
Bones? Burried human bones that can be completely gone within 20 years, talkless of thousands of years!

No you are wrong because even the hairs on our heads do last more than hundreds of thousands of years.
There were no scientists when Jesus told us:

"The hairs of your head are all numbered" Matthew 10:30

His first century disciples may not get the perfect sense of what Jesus said unlike you and i who have access to scientific discoveries today.

So what Jesus is saying in essence is that our body members are recorded in God's memory book for remembrance during resurrection! John 5:28-29

If you doubt this please check the Google for more information on how long human hairs and bones do last!🙂

SpencerForbes:
Okay enlighten me😎

God never expected perfection from imperfect humans that's the purpose of 1,000 years where Satan will be locked up {Revelations 20:2-5} that's the time God will give mankind to grow to perfection.
As for our own time God promised to help us identify the religion that's doing His will in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

In those Bible verses God said in the last days (our time) individuals from different nations throughout the earth will come together and from one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, they will no longer learn war no support fightings and killings in any form.

That is what Jesus taught his disciples in the first century {Matthew 5:43-48} and that is why you keep reading about Christians in the first century being attacked and killed but there is nowhere they fought back to retaliate rather they were running away from enemies of the faith because that's what Jesus commanded them. Matthew 10:23

So as the Prince who is coming to make Peace reign globally {Isaiah 9:6} Jesus have gathered millions of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide and trained them to fulfill what that prophecy says that's why he promised that his disciples will be found in all the nations of the earth {Act 1:8} they will be IDENTIFIED by the love they have among themselves! John 13:34-35

You can have your own standard but you can never ever find any group to fit in to whatever you set because you are not God who created humans and knows how to make us cohabit peacefully! Isaiah 43:10

DiarisGodoo:
Hence you were asked:
When will this "eternal life on earth" happen? Before or after they have "gone to heaven to be with the Lord FOREVER?"

You are getting things right as you avoid that umbilical term RAPTURE.

It's after they gets to heaven because then Jesus will come back to the earth as a spirit king to destroy all evildoers {Revelations 19:11 compare to Luke 19:27} and since these BORN AGAIN Christians were chosen from all the tribes of the earth each one armed will concentrate on the geographic location where those speaking his or her own mother tongue lives in order to destroy anyone making life unbearable for their fellow believers in Christ there! Revelations 19:14-15

DiarisGodoo:
They're obviously not in any grave. Those not cremated have long since been consumed by worms

Now you are saying exactly what the Bible says because the dead are never conscious so their bodies gets rotten in Hell (Grave) only their bones lasts.🙂

Now you are talking out of point because the Bible God tells us what to look out for among His true worshipers and it's not perfection so calm down and learn!🙂

SpencerForbes:
😂 they don’t celebrate Christmas, Easter blah blah blah 😒 I know Jehovah witness. Wickedness still rules there, wickedness still rules🤦‍♂️
They live godly in the church and are exact opposite outside🤦‍♂️
It will be easier to see a lion with horns than a place where true worshipers are gathered in one spirit.🚶‍♂️

DiarisGodoo:
You typed a lot but didn't answer the simple question. Reconcile your wrting with biblical excerpts below

Your first quote is talking about how God chooses those who will go to heaven not when they are going and your second quote talks about how they will move as spirit creatures!

DiarisGodoo:
Very, very poor analogy. I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but saying your dead grandpa existed is NOT at all similar to saying hell exists.

All dead ancestors are in Hell (Grave)

Do you see get correlation now?

If you believe your ancestors exist then where are they now?

All of them are in Hell (Grave)

It's the description Churchgoers infused in people's heart that makes no sense the Bible never said people in the grave feel anything! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

SpencerForbes:
Church to me is just a social circle to display wealth. No true worship in churches again. Gone are those days🤦‍♂️
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That is because you don't know the true Christians and their mode of worship!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.