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Onlinetutor7:
The most important thing to believe about Christ is that he came to save us from our sin,

Is it everyone that will be saved because Jesus died for sin?

Onlinetutor7:
if you are known as an evangelist you wouldn't want to do certain things that will bring the name of Christ to mockery.

It's like you don't want to agree with the fact Jesus wants us to know about title bearing in the public.

So can you mention just one popular title bearer you know who has not bring the name of Jesus to mockery?

Their religions leaders brainwashed them to hate Jesus that's why Peter used the opportunity of what happened at Pentecost to enlighten his fellow Jews on who Jesus was before they killed him! Act 2:36
Of course they were bitter to know that it's their long awaited Christ their religious leaders conspired to kill so they begged Peter to tell them what they need to do if it's not too late {Act 2:37} and he told them to get baptized in the name of Jesus. Act 2:38

But each of them already know what the Christ stands for according to the words of their God it's his identity they missed.

Today most people claiming Christians don't know anything about Christ or what he stands for yet they are claiming believers in Jesus when they don't know what to believe about him!🙂

Onlinetutor7:
The Jews at that time were even more violent to the followers of Christ

We are talking of a generation that shouted "Crucify Him, Crucify Him"
More than 50 percent of Jesus disciples were martyred.

If you read the act of the Apostles very well you will understand that their ability to win souls had nothing to do with Jewish background but the power of the Holy Spirit they wielded.

If public crusades was utilized by the early Christians, then it is an heresy to claim Person to Person evangelism is the only option Christians of today should utilized.

If I may ask how many souls have you won this year from person to Person evangelism?

Onlinetutor7:
That is why context is important in scriptures. Just as Jesus didn't condemn that woman in that particular scenario even though adultery is bad so also he condemned the Pharisees for their manner of giving alms, taken up titles, prayers and preaching because of their wrong intention, not because those acts were bad. If you don't want to look at it contextually as a whole, then take it Verbatim: Rabbi, Father and Master. It shouldn't go beyond that.

The highlighted is a lie rather it's what Satan is using titles to achieve that Jesus wants his disciples to avoid.

If i don't go about with religious titles no one will expect anything religious from me it's by the time they see how i handle matters that they will ask me who taught me to do things in such a wise way then i will tell them about my teacher: Jesus.

But when i carry religious titles no one will ask me any questions even when i does things wrongly rather they will attribute it to the god i claimed with that title.

For instance when a so called PROPHET, PASTOR, BISHOP, EVANGELIST or APOSTLE does what is bad nobody will question him because they know he already has those revering him as man of God so to avoid trouble with his followers they will leave him. The same applies to an Alfa, Iman or sheikh in Islam but when i go anywhere it's my attitude and the way i handle matters that will speak for me not the title attached to my name! Matthew 16:13-16

Do you know the reason now?🙂

Onlinetutor7:
Did you not read how the Apostles won 5000 souls in just one outreach. Was that person to Person.

Or how when Jesus entered Cappernun, the whole city gathered and he gave them the word.

There were many crusades carried out by the apostles.

Those listeners were believers in the Old Testament so it was Jesus they don't understand how he could be the Christ.
If you ask a Jew in the first century what the Christ supposed to do they will show you in the scriptures but it's this Christ they don't know.

Today many people claiming Christians don't know what the title CHRIST means and why everyone must believe in him.

That's what Christians are sent to help their pagan neighbors understand when they leave the walls of Jerusalem.

So it must be one on one to make real disciples not just following the crowd!

Onlinetutor7:
Did Jesus condemn the woman caught in Adultery. Should we then condone Adultery. Context is very important in Bible knowledge. If you want to do without context then follow it verbatim. What he condemned was Rabbi, Father and Master, he was Specific.

Jesus surely condemned adultery those Jews aren't doing the right thing according to the law both the adulterer and adulteress should be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:22-24

But that's not the point now, title bearing is what Jesus condemned for a reason!🙂

Onlinetutor7:
Depending on only person to person evangelism, is placing a limitation on the spread of the gospel.
Person to Person evangelism is just one out of the various forms of Evangelism utilized by the early Christians.

I disagree with the highlighted.

That is the only way Jesus taught his disciples to make more disciples.

MetalJigsaw:
I thought I'm done with you man! I only seek intellectual Bible discussions not childish manifestation please.

Better.
So stop quoting me and i will not quote you henceforth!🙂

Onlinetutor7:
Jesus also condemned their manner of Alms giving, Prayer and Preaching. Should we also discard these acts.If there is no clear scriptural condemnation, then it's not a sin and should not be a rule.

We believe he is God's only begotten Son so whatever he condemns we make sure it doesn't stand as norm in our midst!🙂

Onlinetutor7:
What makes you a Christian is not your works of righteousness, but faith in him. It's simply confessing and believing in the finished works of Christ. Believing in the Only son of God, is what brings Salvation, every other thing is secondary.

So can you tell me why there are different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming believers in Jesus?

Because the word believe connotes trust so who are those TRUSTING in the teachings of this man?

MetalJigsaw:
That's what they believe. That's why I called them out in my post. They are scripture twisters.

That's our own teaching we don't publicize it it's only within us no JW will come to preach that to you it's when you are fully convinced that we have the truth that we will teach you that.

Do you see the difference between that and your Trinity which you are insisting everyone must believe when it's not written word for word in the scriptures?🙂

Onlinetutor7:
You have actually not stated where Jesus asked his disciples not to pick up titles.
In matthew 23, his focus was on the hypocritical lifestyle of the Pharisees. He condemned their taken up title and even their giving of alms, praying and preaching not because these were bad but because it had an hypocritical tone.
Christianity is not a Cult, don't be creating unnecessary restrictions and rules that bear no weight in kingdom matter.

You cannot just pick up a text and generalize it to create a rule.

As long as there is no clear condemnation of picking up titles in the scriptures, your creating such rule is simply adding to the Bible.

Let's stick to the do's and donts that are clear in the Bible instead of adding.
This is how the many denominational dogmas we have today came up.

What is the purpose of titles that Jewish religious leaders bear in the first century and why is Jesus condemning such titles?🙂

Steep:
He is in line with scripture the problem is that Jehovah witness organization is built on twisting scriptures.

I have heard that a million times so say something else because millions of people who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching about God's Kingdom in their neighborhood are doing something better than different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming followers of the same man who said his disciples should have the same line of thought! John 17:20

So i believe it's you people who can't speak in agreement that's twisting God's word each of you to fit in to each opinion not a global organization of people from different nations having the same line of thought! 1Corinthans 1:10

Iamzik:
Chief I don't know your denominational background but Christianity is bigger than your denomination. Christians gather to worship together, encourage each other and hear the word of God. If you have a problem with that then this is my last reply to you

OK you call different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines followers of Christ shey?

Well i disagree it's only those practicing what Jesus taught i know are his true disciples! John 15:14

It's OK if you want to end it here!🙂

Iamzik:
Whether you preach in homes or church congregation, the important thing is to preach the word. I don't have an issue with the location. And if more people are going to church how is that a bad thing?

Jesus sent his disciples to go and preach to people in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} that's the point.


When people just feel like going to one worship center without being preached to then it's not about Christianity because Christians talk to people about God's Kingdom {Matthew 10:7} that is the message that leads to true faith in Christ!

Iamzik:
Visiting the worship centre is a good start if you ask me. Salvation and Faith comes by hearing the word of God.

Of course hearing the word of God starts from those sent to preach to you in your homes {Romans 10:15 compare to Matthew 10:11-13} it's not the other way around those sent should go to find the sheep it's after hearing them out that faith comes to visit their place of worship! Romans 10:17

You are new on this forum otherwise you should have known that Jehovah's Witnesses don't welcome any teaching that doesn't yield positive results so you can keep your Trinity for people who swallow whatever they hear hook line and sinker as for Jehovah's Witnesses don't call us without being fully prepared with scriptures!🙂

Janosky:
The question be like rocket science to them. .

Sometimes i do pity ignorant ones among them because i know they don't understand what is happening.

How can someone be arguing aimlessly on what is never written word for word in the Bible and at the same time claiming those who refuse to agree are doomed?

Jesus and Michael are both names found written in God's word it's whether they're the same person that's the problem unlike Trinity that doesn't appear anywhere from Genesis to Revelations!🤔

Leonardo4:
Yeah but I mean the church of God where they preach and teach according to the bible

So do you know any church preaching and teaching according to the Bible?

Onlinetutor7:
Jewish Religious leaders did not bear Apostles and Pastor.
These are ministerial titles that God called his servants unto.
Paul was an Apostle and he addressed himself as such.

Ephesians approves the use of the title Apostle or Pastor as long as you were called by God to it.

Mathew 23 does not condemn use of Ministerial titles. It was specific on the Jewish titles. Rabbi, Father and Master.

There are better verses to push your points, not Matthew 23. You will end up twisting the words of Christ.

You still don't get it.

Titles attached our names is what Jesus taught us to always avoid so in the first century none of Jesus' followers attached titles to their names.

Whatever title you call it as long as it's recognizable publicly Christians don't bear it what we do is act as apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers {Ephesians 4:11} but never to attach such titles to our names publicly.

Jesus himself did exactly the same when he walked the earth he restricted his disciples from attaching his office to his name. For instance Jesus is the Christ so he warned them never to attach that title to his name until he is gone. Matthew 16:20
That is exactly the same thing he taught his disciples so none of them bears the titles publicly as they mix up with their fellow believers as brothers! Matthew 23:8
True Christians have all these offices in our midst today but you can't hear any of us bear the title in the public only our fellow believers knows our assignment in the congregation.

You feel people are wrong for believing in what they heard but never saw yet you believe that your parents were born by their own parents who in turn were born by their own parents and so on.

How come you believe it when you never saw your ancestors?

I know you will like to insult but take it or leave it you believe simply because you're seeing how people gives birth to people.

So instead of discarding religions altogether claiming there is no original you should be wise enough to know that there can never be fake without original because it's the original people saw before they can produce the counterfeit!🙂

Onlinetutor7:
The Title he talked about there are Rabbi, Father and Master. Which was commonly used by the Pharisees.

There is where you missed it!

Jesus was talking about attaching titles to our name so that people start revering us in public where we aren't serving them. Matthew 23:8

So if someone bears the title Rabbi or Father or Master publicly it's the attachment Jesus is condemning that's what we need to learn. Those titles in the first century are the ones Jewish religious leaders bear do you think their attitude as Jesus stated differs from those attaching titles to their names today?

LoneSoldier:
Is that an excuse for your ignorance?
I simply asked you a simple question, is that too hard for you to answer.

You can't be asking a question that you know when the table turns you won't be able to answer intelligently.

Jesus lived some 2,000 years ago, he wasn't a celebrity so he lived a simple lifestyle which till today doesn't call for attention so how do you expect anyone to have his picture?😟

Do you think he was like prominent men whose portraits any artist will draw for customers to appreciate?

Come on my guy, ask reasonable questions not childish ones that calls for the level of your IQ!😟

Onlinetutor7:
Pastorship is one of the five fold ministry. It is there in the Bible. Read Ephesians 4.

YES but not a title to be attached to our name officially! Matthew 23:8-10

Onlinetutor7:
You said their going to church does not make them Christian because they may not have the intention to live the way Christ admonished.

That there, is the definition of being judgemental and judging someone intention, not even the fruit of his/her action or the action itself is the highest form of unhealthy judgement.

Going to church doesn't make people Christians that's an indisputable fact!

LoneSoldier:
Show me a picture of Jesus or how he looks like since religion is true to you?

Do you have the picture of the first King in your community?

Iiykon1:
Alright, but you haven't my question;
Since there is pastor in your dictionary as you said; So what comes your mind when you see someone in charge of the office dancing in the nightclub? Your answer pls

Enjoyment nah. What else do you think?

kiddaz:
Stop misquoting the verse. There's always evil especially in and amongst the congregation. A religious person doesn't mean a good person. Even Jesus had Judas amongst the 12. If you don't like the man use something more intelligent to back up your hatred for him.

So Judas wanted Jesus dead shey?🤔

Iiykon1:
Pls when you meet a well known pastor in a night club dancing; what does it mean? I need your kind answer pls

There is no pastor in my own dictionary in God's word it's an office of oversight that's not to make the officer popular in the society so only members of the same congregation can identify their shepherd not outsiders!

Onlinetutor7:
Who are you to judge someone by what you feel is their motive. You may be wrong with what you think their motive is. The worst you can do is judge someones actions. You can only judge the fruit of their actions. Judging what you feel is their motive is a form of "Holier than thou" attitude and most persons who do that are just hypocrites.

I'm asking a sincere question it's you who is JUDGING!

There is true as well as false religion.
So you can believe/trust a religion that's real!

Sirmwill:
The fruit is not
Never the Church members

Never ever
The Church members or Christians anywhere are branches
Fruits mean actions
How People act and react to things.

Read it in your bible

Naaaaaaa!
The fruit Jesus is talking about @ Matthew 7:16-18 is members of the religion as in what they are known for in the society not act and react.
There are nice as well as evil people in different religions throughout the world but are they preaching and teaching in their neighborhood making disciples who are also dedicating their lives for the same purpose? Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8
That's the fruit expected of Jesus' friends and it's what observers noticed in Antioch before referring to them as CHRISTIANS not act and react o! Act 11:26