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gsegun43:
Wow, hide your head in shame. You are defeated. After asking for 1, you are now asking for 5. And if he digs deep and produces 5, you will ask him for 10 or 20, and so on. That’s exactly what religion is about. If you go out and come back home safely, you thank god for bringing you home safely. If you have a small accident, you’ll thank the same god that the accident is not much. If the accident is severe and you escape without sustaining major injuries, you’ll thank god. If you sustain a big injury, you’ll thank him you didn’t die. And if you die, your family will still thank him.
It’s a cycle of excuses disguised as faith.

It's just so unfortunate that many people claiming Christians today don't know the main reason why first century disciples of Jesus became his followers. Today what churchians are after is miracles but that is not the main thing that moves a Jew to become a disciple of Jesus many of them were healed through the miracles Jesus performed back then yet they never become his disciples.
WHY?
Because supernatural acts happens in all places so most Jews in the first century don't take that as a reason to become a Christian rather it's the WORKS their God promised them that few Jews saw and stood by the promises of their God!

paxonel:
of what use to all these argument to ascertain whether Jesus is God or not?
Does the knowledge give eternal life?

YES!
This is what Jesus himself said:

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. John 17:3

Jesus said it's knowing two persons that will open the door to everlasting life so whoever says it's the same person that sent himself such an individual is far away from salvation!😟

FreeSpirited:
These are the weakest of argument to puncture... But i won't go round doing that..... Cos I've seen time and time against Nigerian Christians don't have ability to see beyond their bias.

Their problem started with Bible versions replacing God's personal name with the title "LORD"
Take for instance David said:

"Jehovah (Yahweh) is my shepherd" Psalms 23:1
But in most Bible versions it's rendered:
"The Lord is my shepherd"

So whenever churchians read anything in the Old Testament they thought it's all Jesus and as they often say "Jesus is Lord" but please read Psalm 110:1 where David said:

"Jehovah said to my Lord"

Their translators are confused so they translated it
"The Lord said to my Lord"

If you ask a Churchian what you will hear is the capital LORD is for the father while the small is for the Son yet they'll still say it's the same person!😟

Is there anything biblical in gathering people just to collect money from them?

If someone set rules and lived by his own rules can we say such a person is OBEDIENT? Hebrews 5:7

Surely it's being obedient to someone else we are to imitate from Jesus not setting up standards by ourselves and claiming we are obedient for living by our own standard.

So when God said Jesus is His only begotten Son who has always pleased Him {Matthew 17:5} this can never ever be the same person talking about Himself because it will make no practical sense!

Whoever fails to distinguish between the two cannot be saved because there is a reason God keeps emphasizing on the importance of recognizing Jesus as His only begotten Son!

SIRTee15:
Jesus being God is an unnecessary distraction to real reason Christ came.

Why are we so obsessed with something Jesus Christ didn't say rather than focus on his message.

Jesus said HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD AND A REMISSION FOR SIN.

HE ALSO SAID NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND HE IS THE GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE.

They are coming for you and mind you as long as you don't believe Jesus is Jehovah then there is no ground for the belief of Trinity the opinion that God is three in one person or three persons in one being.
Though the tradition or origin of Trinity affirms that the three Gods are coequal and coeternal even though there is no scriptural backing for this opinion many claiming "Christians" just hold on to it and to them whoever disagrees is going straight to Hellfire (another unscriptural doctrine)🙂

Whatever politicians choose to do with their power is no business of Christians.

If they choose to depot someone for his or her misuse of freeness of speech that is within their own jurisdiction what we are talking about now is the safety of true believers and other citizens but first and foremost how to thread cautiously among unbelievers that's why Jesus said:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16

True Christians don't raise our voices in support of any move politicians make we are commanded by Jesus to do one single thing: OBEY!

WHY?

Because the politician who deported the imam today may loose his or her seat to another who will bring back the deportee and give him the power to do and undo. So when that happens think of what the supporters of the deportee would do to all those rejoicing regarding the deportation of their imam.

That is why WISDOM matters mostly!

True Christians don't meddle with politics but misinformed churchgoers are going about interfering in politics and some even dragging political posts.
Desperate politicians are using everything within their grasp to keep oppositions in check.

Islam is tough when it comes to setting standards for right and wrong within their community so challenging their rules or standards will attract bold faces.

True Christians are in all Islamic nations throughout the world freely preaching and also teaching interested ones what God's Kingdom will do for mankind they don't attack us for any reason since we aren't bent on dragging political seats with their leaders.

For instance the Quran (QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 105) this is what we found:


وَلَـقَدْ كَتَبْنَا فِى الزَّبُوْرِ مِنْۢ بَعْدِ الذِّكْرِ اَنَّ الْاَ رْضَ يَرِثُهَا عِبَا دِيَ الصّٰلِحُوْنَ
"And We have already written in the book after the mention that the land is inherited by My righteous servants."

This is what is written in the Bible book of Psalms 37:29


The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever. ‭Psalms 37:29 NIV‬


No Muslim will hear this and think of hurting you rather they will love to see how you have come to recognize their book as inspired expressions from God the next thing will be to find out why you aren't obedient to their call to worship which needs convincing evidences not force but when you keep hauling curses at them claiming your God will roast them forever for not agreeing with you that's the time they will force you to stop talking by any means they know.

Christianity has nothing to do with world politics but religionists claiming Christians today are going into politics that is why they are been attacked not due to their love for Christ.

Ken4Christ:
Which truth?

Funny Churchians.
Is firstborn in a family no longer one of the children born to that family?

This is your first time quoting me on this forum and i decided to show you the stuff JWs are made of.

Arostar2023:
You guys are subtly reforming... before one had to belong to JW to be counted a paradise candidate. Abi I like?

I purposely engaged you to prove that what you typed with your own hands about JWs is a reality!

YES! If you are not one of us you can't be a worshiper of our God at least you can see for yourself that it's not just about someone telling me what to believe but i myself presenting everything to you in black and white as it's written in God's word.

Arostar2023:
I am not here to win an argument but to point out the truth as it's written in the scriptures...

Please next time look before you leap i noticed you are not really interested in spiritual matters you just feel like throwing one or two words at JWs since you see others doing the same. From your profile you don't have interest in Godly devotion so the system says what matters mostly to you is politics.

So if you are doubting before know today that it's established fact only Jehovah's Witnesses and those listening to us with a view to learn will enter the Kingdom of our God that is what Malachi 3:16 and Revelations 20:15 revealed.

Thanks for your time!

freeborn02:
Did you watch the video and listened?! If you did, you wouldn't have made this comment.. In your haste to sound clever or informed you entirely missed the point.

My brothers and sisters are in Pakistan preaching and teaching using Paul's style so there is nothing meaningful with a self acclaimed pastor who doesn't have fellow believers associating for worship.
My fellow believers meet for worship in that country all these so called pastors are noisemakers disturbing their neighbors claiming they are doing it for God when Pakistanis have their own way of worship!🤔

Going to a country where they don't have interest in what you want to say yet you expect them to dance to your own tune instead of finding your way among them.
Paul said:
For though I am free from all people, I have made myself the slave to all, so that I may gain as many people as possible.  To the Jews I became as a Jew in order to gain Jews; to those under law I became as under law, though I myself am not under law, in order to gain those under law.  To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, in order to gain those without law. To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some. But I do all things for the sake of the good news, in order to share it with others. 1Corinthans 9:19-23
Real Christians adapt to any situation they find themselves as long as people are living in that place and they are peaceful among themselves we will use their own settings to penetrate their midst for the love of the Good News!

Apollyon is Jesus Christ o!😟

iwaeda:
Anglican Communion.

EXCELLENT!🙂

Which church is practicing Christianity in the real sense?

FreeSpirited:
Why should pastors emphasize people becoming rich much more than people becoming holy and honest.

The answer is simple:
These people are worshipers of Mammon {Matthew 6:24} so they are promoting the agenda of their god.

I remember a woman who died 17 years ago, she died of chronic ulcer.
I had a discussion with her before her death and she told me that one of these pastors told her that if she want all her problems to be solved she should go for a 21 days dry fasting she later discovered that the pastor is fake so she asked me why most pastors are asking her to fast?
I told her that it's because she is spiritually deaf what these people are telling her indirectly is to go and die if she doesn't have money to give them.

She was confused because by the time of our discussion she has started to trust whatever i say so she politely and humbly asked me to expatiate then i told her that had it been she is rich and could throw money at them they won't ask her to fast but bring money.

She shouted and said:

"Now i see!"

She died few days later but she was able to know the truth before her untimely death sadly in a hard way!

Why are you reading my mind nah?

It's like you're just taking it out of my mouth each time i read your comment.

God bless you for this!🙂

FreeSpirited:
Compromise is not an attribute or moral failure specific with the poor, the rich even compromise the more. The poor may compromise from lack, or greed. But even with the poor, if the principle of contentment and fear of God is well Imbibed then such compromise shouldn't be a problem.
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Many poor people who are righteous and diligent at God's work might fall away if they become rich. Riches has more compelling power to make us rebel against God.
At best, compromise is a function of our faith, it's a function of passing a test during the time of temptation to sin against God. Both poor and rich are tested and tried, all Christians will be tried to show if we are truly faithful in our work with God....
But the rich has more avenue to be tried because they have means and they go out into the world more often so they will most often fail much more than a poor person with low means who don't have exposure to places and a lot of avenue to sin,

however, even in his own little world, the holy Spirit will test his greed, honesty and contentment... as well as sexual purity... Of course we no when it comes to sexual purity, it's far easier for a rich person to fall because he will have more temptation from women who want his money

Truvelisback:
Yes, if you are as poor as a church rat 🐀, you wouldn't have been able to afford the phone you are using to reply. Be honest to yourself.

And what makes you think a true believer won't be able to afford a smart phone?

Is that how low you estimate the power of your own god?

Well all members of my church have at least one smart phone because we receive more information through the Internet than we does in our place of worship.

So if your god can't meet your needs it simply means something is going somewhere.

My God didn't promise me all the things i WANT but as for the ones i NEED to serve Him he will surely provide!

You can't be wiser than our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus who is the world's most wonderful counselor of all time! Isaiah 9:6

So stop deceiving yourself!🙂

Truvelisback:
Let me be honest here, if I get rich, I mean clean wealth, I shall be holier and more righteous than I am now. Poverty is very terrible, and you know it. The disadvantages of being poor cannot be compared to the disadvantages of being rich. Even the Bible said "Money 💰 answereth all things". With this few points of mine, I hope I'm able to convince you and not to confuse that living a righteous life as a poor christian is tougher than living a righteous life as a rich christian.

Now that you have agreed that Jesus is the initiator of house to house preaching and seen that apostle Paul also engaged in the house to house preaching and teaching it's time to show you why it's the only means of salvation!

Before Jesus there was never a time any prophet knocked on people's doors to preach it has always been a town crying thing where the prophet will be shouting in their streets but when John the baptist started his preaching instead of shouting in their streets he was shouting in the wilderness! John 1:23
WHY?
Because as at that time Jews were under a colonial master (ROME) so shouting in their streets has been banned because that's how zealots (terrorist Jews fighting for liberation) always do to gather followers so if anyone try it Roman soldiers will get such a person arrested.
And by the time Jesus established the preaching and teaching he made sure that he doesn't disturb the neighborhood with noise first of all to avoid being arrested by Roman soldiers and also in fulfilment of the prophecy about the Christ which says he will not shout in their streets! Isaiah 42:2 compare to Matthew 12:19
Another reason is to make the work really effective so that both the preacher and his listener may interact meaningfully by opening the scriptures to get the sense of what they both need to do, in fact Malachi the last prophecy of the Old Testament said:

At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name. Malachi 3:16

Why is a book of remembrance written for those engaging in this activity?

The last book of the New Testament answered:

Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire. Revelations 20:15

So those who aren't engaging in this activity will be DESTROYED!

WHY?

Because they disobeyed the word of God who is Jesus Christ {John 1:1; Revelations 19:13} and Jesus himself told us that disobedience to his command will mean destruction for all those ignoring his orders! John 3:16-18

God Himself warned us to listen and obey whatever Jesus command us to do {Matthew 17:5 compare to Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so it's not a matter of options but complete submission anytime that name "JESUS" is mentioned:

so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground. Philippians 2:10

If all those claiming Christians must go to knock on their neighbors doors to preach the Kingdom of God how do you think anyone who is a politician can claim to be a Christian? Luke 18:18-23

Do you think all those in the house of assembly and Senate can claim they are Christians if they have to knock on the doors of their neighbors to preach and entertain questions like Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today?

Well it's not what we choose to believe but what God commanded through the mouth of His only begotten Son so you need HUMILITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS to be saved {Zephaniah 2:2-3} that is if you truly want to be saved!🙂

Arostar2023:
And finally, preaching or teaching door to door does not earn one salvation .

Arostar2023:
You are still majoring on the minor, while ignoring the weightier things of the scriptures. You are just grappling at straws to justify JW teachings, not biblical truths. You quoted Mathew 28:19-20, the great commission by Jesus Christ, as your stand for the justification of door-to-door preaching as the only accepted method of spreading the good news. I asked you to show me where it mentioned 'door-to-door" and you couldn't provide any evidence of that.

There's no record of the early disciples preaching from door-to-door. Apostles and disciples like Paul preached in the market places, synagogues, homes etc. Door-to-door evangelism is effective, no argument about that, but it's not the only effective way of spreading the gospel of Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Again this is what Jesus commanded us:

"When you enter the HOUSE, greet the HOUSEHOLD. Matthew 10:12

Please what is Jesus talking about when he mentioned "HOUSE" and "HOUSEHOLD" here?

And as for Paul this is what he said:

"while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from HOUSE to HOUSE." Act 20:20

So there is no excuse Sir!

Arostar2023:
By the way, how do you preach door-to-door in a place like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia? Or are we not supposed to reach them with the gospel?

Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door in all those Arab countries it's only China that house to house preaching is prohibited so we obey Jesus' command to leave such a territory but where there is freedom of speech, expression and worship nothing should stop us from preaching and teaching from house to house! 1Corinthans 9:16

Meanwhile you keep mentioning my religion (church) because you can see that what i am quoting is exactly what we practice can you also mention the name of your own religion (church) as you people often call it?
At least you can see how faithful we are to what we believe in Christ so can you too present your own church because it's obvious that you are not on the same page with many here which means you people are not having the same line of thought as Jesus Christ prayed for his disciples! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8🙂

This is factual but not the truth because there is no single Christian among politicians today!
Unlike the first century when some Jews believe in Jesus but can't declare him in the public due to fear of killer Judaists we have the freedom of expression and speech to talk about our faith.
Joseph Arimathea doesn't care going to heaven because that opportunity is only open for whoever is ready to live and die for Christianity not timid people.
As for Joseph Arimathea he will surely be resurrected back to life here on earth as one who showed love and support for Christ and his first century disciples it's heaven he is not qualified to go!

FreeSpirited:
The truth is, he must have been a secret follower because he dint want to lose the favour, connections and deals he receives from religious leader and people of influence in that society... The connections which he must have enjoyed in his business.
It's like the rich Christian politicians of today who only bears the Christian tag but never ready to take side or speak up not to offend the sensibilities of other people because of favour and political clout they want to retain.
That's why Christians are being sloghteredd in States like Benue, Zamfara, Kaduna, Kogi , Jos and yet we have Christian politicians who can't take it upon themselves to speak the truth and seek justice for their people. Nonsense Christians that will never make heaven

Arostar2023:
I know that JW think and believe that preaching/teaching from door to door will earn them salvation. That's not true , which you can deduce from all the scriptures I have given you so far. Salvation cannot be earned by accumulating hours spent in the field preaching.

Matthew 28:19-20 never and never said go door to door and preach the gospel.

Jesus commanded us to preach and teach from house to house {Act 20:20} he already told his disciples to go from house to house:

“Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. When you enter the HOUSE, greet the HOUSEHOLD. If the HOUSE is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you." Matthew 10:11-13

Please whose words is the above?🙂

ogascomax:
The scripture that you quoted there did not end there. You guys speak as if God want Christians to be poor in the earth.

Jesus had nothing what he promised is not physical but spiritual.
For instance as one of Jesus' disciples i have a home in all the countries on this planet where my fellow believers lives, i have brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters anywhere my fellow believers are.
Jesus made it practical when he told the person who referred to Mary and Jesus' siblings as his mother and brothers Jesus declared that his real family are those listening to him {Matthew 12:46-50} the day Jesus died he noticed that Mary has become one of his disciples so he told apostle John to adopt Mary as a mother! John 19:26-27
So the 100 folds of houses, brothers, sisters e.t.c Jesus talked about aren't to become our personal net worth the way worldly people rate things rather we will have all these things among our fellow believers and when we die it remains the properties of our fellow believers who allowed us to use them when we need them!
Jesus never had a home of his own but when he needed a big conference room for the passover a disciple borrowed him and his apostles. Mark 14:13-16

So real disciples of Christ don't need to have all the money in the world before we can live in any part of the world we want the only thing we need to do is become a true disciple who is ready to spend all his time preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom and houses, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers and many more awaits us in all the countries of the world.

Why?

Because our fellow believers are there expecting to welcome us like real families do!🙂

Truvelisback:
Is easier for the poor either? Being rich or poor is not a criteria for going to heaven. Besides, Joseph of Arimathea was a rich disciple of Jesus.

Jesus knows better before saying what is written in the Bible book of Luke 18:24-25 and he never said anything negative about the poor but positive always about their chances of salvation.

Joseph Arimathea is a secret disciple which means something is wrong with his faith otherwise why not declared faith in Jesus publicly?

Now after these things, Joseph of Ar·i·ma·theʹa, who was a disciple of Jesus but a secret one because of his fear of the Jews, asked Pilate if he could take away the body of Jesus, and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body away. John 19:38

But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. Matthew 10:33

Another reason why it's difficult for the rich to enter God's Kingdom! 🤔

ogascomax:
Did anybody tell you that you must be rich to be faithful.

Jesus said:

“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God!  It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25

So according to Jesus the word of God it's the rich that has serious issues when it comes to entering God's Kingdom not the poor because he that is down need fear no fall. The so called "PASTOR" in question is not a servant of God but a messenger of Mammon {Matthew 6:24} disguising as minister to Christ! 2Corinthians 11:14

May you have peace!🙂

I don't understand Christendom Churches anymore because God never called deliberate criminals to serve as His representative.
Most of them will sight Paul as example when Paul was never a criminal!🤔

When they weren't rich materially:

ogascomax:
I already told you that they fulfilled God's purpose for their lives.

So why must faithful people today be rich before they can remain faithful?

ogascomax:
Did anybody tell you not to live like Christ?