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MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is not your book where each of you have to go asking your imam how to explain simple things.
The Bible says:

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned— Romans 5:12

As regards going to heaven Jesus said:

Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. John 3:13

I believe by now you should be able to figure out what happened to Enoch yourself!

Above is the answer you seek.

If not for misinformed churchgoers who are claiming Christians how can anyone say he believes in God's only begotten Son who lives forever yet confused as to whether someone else could be alive somewhere when such a person in question remains one of Adam's descendants? Romans 5:12

Expanse2020:
Is ELIJA dead
Is ENOCH dead
Show us the verse that said they were dead just like Moses, Solomon, Abraham dead ...it's just a simple question

Expanse2020:
Show us where they go if not heaven both ENOCH and ELIJA

Continue arguing with them since you're only seeking arguments with different people according to God's word out of million humans who once walked this planet only Jesus is alive now the rest of them are dead!

oridavid:
Still go and watch the video and learn from others.

Learn from who?
Ọmọ if not for the Muslim who called my attention:

Expanse2020:
Antiislam
MaxinDhouse
Kindly provide us with answer or evidence that he died in the bible

I have no business with your YouTube business.

Ken4Christ:
Unbelief will send you to hell. Continue.

Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Alpha and Omega. Your Unbelief doesn't change the truth. But it will set you on the pathway of destruction.

This one is obsessed with Hell everyone who doesn't agree with your shallow and myopic preconception will go to Hell!

Janosky:
John 9:9 & John 8:58.
Ego eimi (I am) is the last words in both verses.No mind them deceiving themselves.

The shocking thing is how provoked they become when you try to reason with them as if they have anything reasonable doing with their I AM!😂

Janosky:

Oga, "Alpha & Omega" is NOT in the Greek manuscript of Revelation 1:11.
Evidence from the holy scriptures.:

"saying, “Write on a scroll what you see [in this revelation], and send it to the seven churches—to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Revelation 1:1 ,God Yahweh gave Jesus the message of Revelation.
Therefore, Revelation 22:13, "Alpha & Omega" is a reference to Yahweh the Author of Revelation.

The TRINITY is their problem because it's clearly written in the Bible book of Revelations that the message was given to Jesus by his God and Jesus passed it onto John who is still alive and among humans:

This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen soon. And Christ sent his angel to show it to his servant John! Revelations 1:1
So when the AUTHOR says "

“I am the Alpha and the Omega. I am the one who is, who always was, and who is coming. I am the All-Powerful.” Revelations 1:8

How can any diligent scholar say that was Jesus when he himself was given the information to pass across?😟

See those testifying to God's gift:

Sirmwill:
I am not a Jehovah Witness person
I am not even a church person
But
I can tell you ,you are saying a lot of truth but
Most people would not accept
So
Don't bother yourself much with arguments 😇

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same Christian doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Kingsempires:
wow I love this your statement 🙂🙏

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

RavinWolf:
I never saw a better response. Thank you. 100% correct!

oridavid:
Still watch the video. It'll help you see things differently.

Something that has led you into asking questions about what the Bible has given Bible students the simple answer?

My guy do enjoy your day just know that when talking about real Bible scholars there are many who use the gift to make active disciples for Jesus not going about making money through YouTube.

These are people who have testified to my comments even though i always tell them i'm just a humble student under the Watchtower Organization!

Jesus was performing the miracles to prove to his contemporaries that all of God's promises will surely be fulfilled but instead of the Jews to be happy that they now have the assurance they wanted all their problems to be solved right away after all they have waited too long for the Messiah.
That's why the nation rejected him as he was telling them to wait until appointed times God gave the nations to trample on Jerusalem ends:

And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. Luke 21:24

In fact even the few he was able to gather among the Jews were still nurturing the idea after his resurrection.

They asked Jesus:

“Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time? Act 1:6

So the nation missed the purpose for which the Christ was sent to them that's why they rejected him despite all the miracles he performed among them as they are politically inclined in their heart!

oridavid:
The video will explain more to you.

There is no need because it's obvious that your conclusions are based on what you watched in the video which is clearly not biblical!

These are your take home points!

1. All humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so none of Adam's descendants is worthy of being in Paradise until the ultimate price is paid!
2. Heaven wasn't designed for humans {Psalms 115:16} so those who will go to heaven must first become born again sons of God through Christ Jesus.
3. Jesus himself declared that no human has been to heaven before except himself who came from heaven {John 3:13} so there is no possibility of anyone being in heaven before Christ Jesus.
4. Only after the resurrection that those who were declared righteous by God will regain life {John 5:28-29} because it's the ultimate sacrifice Jesus paid that opened the way for the dead to live again.
5. Jesus said no one born of women is greater than John the baptist before God {Matthew 11:11} so if John the baptist is lesser than born again Christians who were bought by Christ's sacrificial blood Enoch who lived and died thousands of years before John can't have something that John couldn't have.

It's not compulsory you welcome this if not for the Muslim man who called my attention i wouldn't even bother to engage you but you yourself made me feel like commenting when you said i can't have the answer when the Bible has given us the key to unlock the sacred secret!

oridavid:
Go and watch the video and stop disparaging what you don't know.

So the video is valid more than God's own word inspired through holy spirit?🙂

oridavid:
STOP jumping into conclusions, my friend

God took him as a person and not his life. Enoch was still on earth but not among humans because he was taken back to Eden.

You can watch this episode of shifting Perspective:

Can you quote the highlighted in the Bible?

Remember all descendants of Adam are SINNERS {Romans 5:12} and Eden is where God's glory shines of which no descendant of Adam qualifies to be! Romans 3:23

So if God drove away Adam from Eden how do you think any of Adam's children could be there before Christ came to offer the ultimate sacrifice?

You ignored God's word only to believe what another man told you over God's inspired word!🙂

Iweakbro:
I misunderstood. Glad to know we are on the same trajectory.

I can understand because billions out there claiming Christians don't know the secret of true knowledge about God.

The problem is there are many spirit beings influencing humans to occupy the office that belongs only to God namely rulership so as long as humans are occupying that office there will always be trouble everywhere.

If we design the AI to help us figure out where we went wrong regarding the love we need to have towards God and our neighbors {Mark 12:28-31} you will be shocked to see that billions claiming Christians don't even know what Christ taught his disciples!😟

epfa:
notice how the elders treat her and how they completely disregard Jesus' direction!

What direction did Jesus give his followers regarding misconduct among fellow believers?

Iweakbro:
The phone you are using was discovered outside the Bible. I am a Christian and would advise you to stop making our religion sound D————;;;;a;;;;;;;;;f——;;;;;;T

You are missing the point my friend.

I said

Whatever humans discover outside that book can't go far it will only lead to more confusion!

I'm referring to the research about the knowledge of God not food, clothing or technological advancement which makes life easier my Bible tells me that God has given man the go ahead to make life easier and sweeter with technology.

Here is what God said after giving Adam and Eve life:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

The highlighted in blue means we should conquer this planet by discovering all it's potential and make the best use of the things found in it.

So there is nothing bad in technology it's when humans decides to set standards regarding right and wrong (good and bad) that we will start having serious issues {Genesis 2:17} because that is God's own office not man's {Jeremiah 10:23} and only Him has the knowledge and wisdom to set standards that will benefit mankind in general {Isaiah 48:17-18} when man tries to do that it'll lead to disaster {Ecclesiastes 8:9} that is what we are all experiencing in the world today! Ecclesiastes 4:1😟

Meedon:
Does that mean my Muslim grandma has been praying in vain five times a day from her youth up till now?

I'm sorry that's the truth!
The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if truly there is a spirit who is supreme among them do you think they won't be able to solve their disparities peacefully among themselves?
This is what the Bible God promised to do among His own worshipers:

He said in the final part of the days those having real faith will gather from all tribes and nations of the earth then they will form one religion. Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:1
Next He goes on to say these people will start to study His laws with critical skills and making thorough research on what these inspired writings means. Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2
Finally after they have gotten the message clearly they will use what they discovered in His words to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves divert their resources into production of food and information materials stop producing buying selling and using weapons among themselves and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

This is what true religion supposed to achieve among people from different nations not just bowing towards one direction or each of them claiming he or she has clean conscience whereas there are disparities leading to hatred and massive slaughter among themselves! Revelations 6:3-4

I know you have heard of Satan before it is this spirit that all those who can't settle their disparities peacefully are worshiping not the true God who is our loving Creator: SUPREME BEING! 1John 4:8

Meedon:
A lot of things peculiar to them.

I expected you to throw the question back at me.

First of all there are nice as well as bad people in all religions so it's not about being nice that i'm talking about now rather anything positive that God promised which the worshipers are doing globally today.

For instance Jesus said about his own disciples:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves. John 13:34-35

Two individuals could quarrel due to a misunderstanding between them but can you see love exist among Muslims as if they are worshiping any real God?

When racism and politics happens their faith in that God they claim dies off instantly that's what will never happen among worshipers of a real God because they will always see themselves as one family! Matthew 12:46-50

So if two members have a quarrel none of their fellow worshipers will support either side so both of them will become ashamed that they will end the quarrel or forget about the matter.

But that's not the case with false religion supporters will emerge from both sides and before you know it killings in mass has started.

So where is there God?

Meedon:
So you mean millions of people following the teachings of that Holy and Sacred book don't know what they are doing? Is that it. My grandma is a Muslim. Does it mean, she is not saved?

They surely have a religion passed on to them by their ancestors but let's face the reality so can you objectively answer the question i asked you?

tell me anything positive the God of Quran promised that has been fulfilled by the worshipers.

Meedon:
What about Quran?

Good question!

Can you please tell me anything positive the God of Quran promised that has been fulfilled by the worshipers?

The same thing happened to Moses but God declared to the Israelites that Moses is dead:

After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Moʹab just as Jehovah had said. He buried him in the valley in the land of Moʹab, opposite Beth-peʹor, and nobody knows where his grave is down to this day. Deuteronomy 34:5-6

WHY must Moses's case be announced?

He is a man of the people who relied on him so much that they have to mourn him for thirsty days {Deuteronomy 34:8} even though they never saw his dead body. So why mourn a man whose corpse they never saw?

Satan wanted to use one demon to copy Moses's appearance in order to continue appearing to the Israelites as if Moses is still alive somewhere or his spirit or soul is walking about.
So when angels were sent to bury his body Satan wanted to drag with them as himself or any demon couldn't photocopy Moses's body then Michael (Jesus) had to drive Satan away from the scene! Jude 9

So if Joshua wasn't sent to declare Moses dead but say "God has taken him" you people will still say he went to heaven even after reading what Jesus who lived in heaven said that no human has been there before! John 3:13🤔

Iweakbro:
Sure! It is limited, but it will improve over time. It has been very useful so far—mapping out all(most) the proteins in the human body. Which can lead to cure of numerous diseases.
https://innovativegenomics.org/news/rapid-ai-protein-discovery/

When talking about science the idea to cure any sickness can come from anywhere but when talking about the knowledge of God only one source is reliable: Bible

Whatever humans discover outside that book can't go far it will only lead to more confusion!

oridavid:
This is incorrect. Even from Genesis it was seen that Enoch didn't die. God took him from among humans.

That's the point!
God took his life before his time.
God removed him from the generation of hurtful people where he was preaching what wasn't appealing to any of them not that he was taken to heaven that idea was nullified by Jesus when he said no man has ascended to heaven! John 3:13

You people often cause confusion for yourselves by expecting everything to be told word for word when you can easily read through the lines!

DeltaFire:
As we know, the Chosen People are a Black people.

OK so where is the god of these chosen black people?

Please ask your Chatgpt or AI to tell you what logical reasoning is there in creating living beings who never begged to be created only for your God to start roasting them forever simply because they failed or refused to do as He says!🙂

Iweakbro:
Yes which is why there is a disclaimer that the AI will output wrong answers some times. I never said all that comes from the AI is the truth. It is trained with all the available data, which means it is highly knowledgeable on loads of subject matters. It is still under development and improvement to become more accurate; hence, the version 4, 5 , etc.
This is basic knowledge.

I believe what this thing can do is limited as long as it's TRAINED by imperfect humans not God!😟

Built2last:
When this man re-married after 2 year of loosing his wife. One riff raff said why should he remarry. or its even too soon.

I said to the guy. Has the man stopped having early morning erection? Or you think He doesn't have erection because he is a pastor.

The companionship of a human couple was formed not only because of sexual intimacy we must not forget that God made some creatures who reproduces without sex!

Iweakbro:
trained the machine on all the data available on Google.

News flash!
Google does not have the all truth but what humans like you and i input in it that is why it's not 100% reliable when talking of truth about God!

Nairaland has choked this one pátápátá!

When you can't think reasonably to say something worthwhile except offensive comments you will be tamed by reasonable people.

johnw47:
nairaland forums have changed the name of "Religion" forum to "Christianity Etc"
Religion = Christianity, islam, buddhism, and so on
Christianity Etc = Christianity, islam, buddhism, and so on
dim wits

Try to behave maturely my guy if Islam is truly a meaningful religion you should at least reason intelligently.

There is no verse that says Enoch or Elijah went to heaven the Bible says the chariot that carried Elijah went to heaven so use your initiative to imagine what an ancient observer who has never seen an aeroplane will say the first time he notice a vessel carry someone and fly into the sky.

Expanse2020:
SO BIBLE WAS LYING WHEN HE SAID ENOCH WHEN TO HEAVEN
SO ITS A LIE THAT ELIJAH WHEN TO HEAVEN TO .... THE BIBLE WAS LYING NOBODY HAD GONE TO HEAVEN BEFORE JESUS....
That why we all need to be questioning the author of the bible with misfed and information and confusion in the bible....

Antiislam

Ọmọ there is clear indication that you're in a secret cult if you only keep arguing without presenting your fellow believers in your god that shows everything about you and your god is in secret!

sonmvayina:
Lol..
So you want me to present a group of Torah adherents. ?
I should present a cult group of people that have decided to follow God's divine laws rather than the Christian Messiah/god
Very funny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

KnowledgePower7:
Lmaooooo your idea of God is very funny.
You are expecting a he/she/it
If Yahweh didn't exist True God will still exist and has always existed.

Oga talk about your own God because in the Bible a lot is said about Yahweh as the only true God so if you refuse to talk about your own God but keep talking about Yahweh what evidence is there that any other God exists apart from Yahweh?