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Janosky:
Did Jesus in your Bible teach or practice Trinity? Oga, have a great weekend.

Their problem is inability to distinguish between PREACHING and TEACHING.
They don't know that it's after a person is satisfied with the effectiveness of a preacher that the listener welcomes such a preacher's teachings so instead of asking why millions of active preachers and industrious teachers of God's word who does it voluntarily are Jehovah's Witnesses today?
What they are saying is JWs teaches something that is not written directly in the Bible so they must welcome whatever their unproductive religious leaders told them.
Just imagine comparing the teaching that Jesus is the archangel Michael to the teaching of Trinity!😟
Both names Archangel Michael and Jesus is found in the Bible and the two has a lot in common when talking about Bible prophecies and the work of active preachers and teachers today.
But in what way is Trinity connected to the Bible?
The name TRINITY is found nowhere in the Bible its meaning totally contradicts what the Bible teaches about God and the teaching hasn't produced any good fruit yet a normal person will be arguing blindly claiming everyone must accept it!

If you are not a Christian there is no way you can distinguish between truth and falsehood.
There is no single prosperity preacher in the first century Jewish community of Christian.

Janosky:
Screenshot Proofs.

Their i am has become a comedy show to the point that even though it's not working out positive results anywhere yet they still stick to the falsehood as if what Jesus said doesn't make sense to them:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

Where or what is the fruit of their I AM?

Steep:
People who deny the trinity are either Muslims who believe Jesus is just a prophet or Jehovah witness or the oneness penticostals who believe Jesus is the same as the father or Jesus is a part of God. All of them gets the identity of Jesus wrong hence they have a false Christ.

According to the Bible Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is not a part of God and a part of man. He is fully God just as his father is and fully man Just as we are only He is without sin and glorified.

However, scripture is clear He is not the father neither the Holy Spirit, yet there is only one God.
So, the scripture teaches the is one divine being but this divine being is three in personhood not three forms or three manifestation but three in person, this is a mystery.

Mystery is the name given to the spiritual harlot who is misleading all the people of the earth! Revelations 17:5

This mysterious harlot means the head of all false religions!

Steep:
According to you Jesus is angel Michael right? So where is it written that Jesus is angel Michael?

Is that the topic of discussion here?

You people don't know the difference between preaching and teaching.

Preaching should be based on what we can all see written not something that is arguable but teaching involves sacred secrets that could only be known through the spirit.

What i mean by knowing through the spirit is what is WORKING OUT BENEFITS even though it's not written word for word. For instance when a believer realizes that Jesus is the Christ {Matthew 16:16} but still wonders how come the scriptures say Elijah must come before the Christ {Malachi 4:5} a believer will ask "but we haven't seen Elijah and here you are the Christ?" {Matthew 17:10} then is the time to reveal sacred secrets that's not written word for word! Matthew 17:11-13

In the same manner nobody teaches you that Jesus is archangel Michael when you haven't believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true Christians it's after you have observed all the fine works of faith that a sincere observer will ask "how come only you people are actively preaching and teaching in all our neighborhood?" that's the time to reveal the spirit king who is leading us into spiritual victory! Daniel 12:1

Who will resurrect the dead?
The scriptures told us it's Jesus but then how come he is using the voice of the archangel? 1Thessalonians 4:16

It's the same person God's word revealed as the one whose voice will raise the dead! Daniel 12:2

So we aren't teaching this publicly it is a sacred secret only to be taught among true believers but if you feel that's not true abeg present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses at least to prove that you know a better spirit king ORGANIZING his subjects in an orderly manner globally! Act 1:8

Whenever you hear the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" know that we are fully aware of what the Bible teaches not dogmas!

MetalJigsaw:
And you're a Christian?

Jesus is the Christ God's only begotten Son. Matthew 16:16
I hope you know what the Bible called all those believing this! John 20:31

MetalJigsaw:
You tell me

The answer is NO!
God made Moses and Jesus God to serve as His representative! Matthew 17:5

MetalJigsaw:
in God's case, yes not in Moses case.
In John 10 v 3 Jesus says yo the Jews:
"'I have said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High"'
In this statement is it literal or metaphorical?

This statement includes Jesus himself as that's the main reason why he asked that question.
So he is implying that the title can be confined on anyone as we are all sons of God created in God's image! Genesis 1:26

MetalJigsaw:
You never asked questions. You were just making false claims and arguments.

Haaaaaaaa!
I asked you:

MaxInDHouse:
Now make the God wey de help una to endure and de give una comfort help all of una get the same mind like Christ Jesus, so that as one, una go fit use one voice praise the God and Papa of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:5-6

Now my brothers, I de use the name of our Lord Jesus Christ de encourage una say, make all of una de agree for wetin una de talk, and make una no de cause separation among unaself. Instead, make una get one mind for everything and de think for the same way. 1Corinthans 1:10

de really try to do una best to maintain the one mind from the spirit with the peace wey de hold people together as one. Ephesians 4:3

 The last one be say, make all of una get one mind, de feel for each other, de love each other like people for the same family, de really pity for each other and de carry body down. 1Peter 3:8

What is the import of these scriptures?

And you ran away.

So there is no reason asking you further questions but going straight to the truth!

MetalJigsaw:
You keep going round in circles. I'm not doing that.I already addressed the point that God making Moses a God is not in a literal sense. Or are you telling me that God Made Moses the same God as him?

Did God made Jesus the same God as Him?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any of God's divine title to him? Do you even know HEB 1:6-9? Simply ask questions brother. Read and reply.

You ran away from questions so you are not sincere when it comes to questions!

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any divine title to him?
Do you even know HEB 1:8-9?
I think I should move on at this point.

"God" is a divine title. Exodus 7:1

YES or NO?

Supernatural power to perform miracles is restricted to only Israelites {Matthew 15:24} any other is the handiwork of demons!😟

The other man claimed he drank tea with God, how possible is that o?🤔

MetalJigsaw:
Is the word Tawheed in your Quran? the answer is NO. but you still acknowledge it.😆
For your information, the concept of the trinity is what is relevant and not word games.

And who told you i care for whatever is written in the Quran?
Ọmọ Trinity is nowhere in God's inspired word so if you believe it that's your own cup of coffee!

MetalJigsaw:
See how you're freely embarrassing yourself on the Internet with so much ignorance and arrogance😂. There's alot you don't know but its okay. But the thing is that you're ssupposed to be asking questions to find truth.

And you can't deny Jesus divinity and still claim to be a Christian. NO! In that case you're not different from Mohammed who was an anti Christ.

If God the father can proclaim Jesus as God and also glorify him, who are you not to?

I'm sure you're ignorant of this too. At least you should be humble enough to ask.

God did exactly the same thing to Moses so there is no difference.

This is what God said about Moses:

God said, “Listen to me! You will have prophets. I, the Lord, will let them learn about me through visions. I will speak to them in dreams. But Moses is not like that. He is my faithful servant—I trust him with everyone in my house. When I speak to him, I talk face to face with him. I don’t use stories with hidden meanings—I show him clearly what I want him to know. And Moses can look at the very image of the Lord. So why were you brave enough to speak against my servant Moses?” Numbers 12:6-8

After his death God said:

Israel never had another prophet like Moses: The Lord knew Moses face to face. Deuteronomy 34:10

Ọmọ there is only one God any other is inferior that's why they all worship Him alone as for whoever God glorifies it's for His worshipers to obey that person not worship! Matthew 17:5

MetalJigsaw:
This is directed to Jehovah's witness members that don't believe in the trinity, that twist the Bible into sometimes else.
And any Christian who doubts this.

Just quote the word TRINITY in any version of the Bible that's all you need to do!

MetalJigsaw:
*And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent"
This verse highlights that true eternal life involves a deep, intimate, and experiential knowledge of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. As yiu can see Jesus includes himself in that statement.
*Brother you can be smarter than this. I have already addressed that point. God making Moses god isn't in a sense of divinity

Nothing like divinity here we are talking about worshipers of God not God Himself so both Moses and Jesus are worshipers of the same God!

MetalJigsaw:
I thought I responded to this already.

*The father is greater than I in authority ,not in essence or divinity. "I and my father are one" John 10 v 30

* Again the son being subject to the father and humbling himself is a relational property between them not it dignity or essence. That's why Jesus says in JHN 5v19: "Whatever the father does, the son does likewise.
And in JHN 5:23 "Honoor the son just as you honor the father. Whoever doesn't honor the son does not honor the father"

Whatever grammar you're spewing can't change the fact that Jesus is not our God he himself said:

Jesus said to her, “You don’t need to hold on to me! I have not yet gone back up to the Father. But go to my followers and tell them this: ‘I am going back to my Father and your Father. I am going back to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So Jesus and i have the same father and the same God!

MetalJigsaw:
You're a funny man🤣. So you're saying God made Moses the same god as him? Come on man.😆

So you dont know the same Peter proclaimed Jesus as God in 2 peter 1v1 he writes: "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ".

And in Mat 16 v16.

Christ was a prophet AND he is also GOD.


I think we should address each point at a time. You're addressing multiple points at a time.

I'll cherish you bringing your arguments one at a time😊

Regarding the highlighted read John 17:3

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent.

And you can translate Exodus 7:1 anyhow you feel it's clearly written that God made Moses a God to Pharaoh so if Jesus later bears the same title {Isaiah 9:6} it doesn't make him our God!

All dead people goes to Hell. Ecclesiastes 9:10
Complete the remaining characters.

MetalJigsaw:
That's one big mistake you people make because you don't read the context of the Bible.

"My father is greater than I" (In authority, not in essence or divinity)

Jesus praying to the father is because God is the God of all flesh (JER 32 v 27) Since Jesus took on flesh, should he become an Atheist? NO. That why he has a God.

Whoever prays is no longer God in any sense rather a representative of God.

@ Exodus 7:1 God made Moses a God that's why God told the Israelites that He will send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} Why? Because both of them were called "God" through inspiration!

MetalJigsaw:
"Everything father owns is mine" (John 16 v 15)

He has the name that is above every other name (Philippians 2 v 9)

Jesus clearly states he is the I AM of the book of Exodus in: (John 8 v 58)

Yet you people will start claiming you are all Christians when there is no agreement among you.

His father willed everything to him doesn't translate to being equal with his father! John 14:28

God gave Jesus a name that is above every other name but LOWER THAN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER! 1Corinthans 15:27

Your translators are trinitarians that's the reason why they read their Trinity idea into God's word what Jesus meant is "before Abraham i existed" but since your trinitarians smuggled TRINITY ideology all of you keep quoting the KJV.

sonmvayina:
There are more than a billion people keeping the laws of God all round the world.

And there's no effect or difference?
Do you know the world's population?

Well it's just above 9 billion which means 1 out of every 9 individual is keeping the laws of your god yet the world is in chaos shey?

Continue deceiving yourself.

The truth is that there are less than 9 million keeping the laws of my own God which means 1 out of 1,000 people is ready to obey my own God and despite that huge difference the whole world could testify to it that there is LOVE among worshipers of my own God {John 13:34-35} which means if everyone is a worshiper of my God there will peace globally!

You don't have knowledge and you aren't even ready for it.

There is nothing like three in one God as far as the Bible is concerned that idea is from pagan traditions.

But it seems you just want to talk and see everyone hail you even though you're not saying the right thing so keep it for your type who will shout "Hallelujah" at whatever you said.

Goodbye!🙂

mauriceju2:
Demond of anger , violence, strive, quarreling and fighting is behind religious debate ,
I'm not into that before someone pick up knife and start looking for a nearby church to slaughter innocent people,
I have done my part by bringing you the message , what you do with it is your choice

Though the things of the spirit is not for canal people,
it's look and sound stupid to a canal man until the spirit of God is involved

The holy spirit is the one that convict siners and lead to repentance - John 16:8

My work is to preach the rest is for God
John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Call on Jesus from your heart to confirm my preaching , he will answer you since he doesn't want anyone to perished

I pray for you that God will remember the precious blood of Jesus that was shade for you and save your soul

You didn't come here by chance, God brought you here to tell you something
Jesus love you,

Bolaji and his funny games!🤔

Where are the adherents of your faith?

Don't you think it's important to present a group of people practicing what you want others to emulate before claiming it's the best way of handling matters?

When people globally agreed to live by the same set of rules you feel they are wrong because that is brainwashing but then you keep on insulting people around you saying they are dummy for not agreeing with you.

Well continue deceiving yourself because without being organized there will never ever be any agreement you will stick to what you think is best while others do the same and when there is clashes you people pick up weapons to kill one another! Revelations 6:3-4

mauriceju2:
God the father, the son and the holy spirit is one God.

What then did Moses meant here:


Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. ‭Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV‬

Jesus when asked the most important commandment repeated the same here:


“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.‭ Mark 12:29 NIV‬

Where did you get this idea from?🤔

sonmvayina:
explain why i need to be part of an organization before i respect my parents? or tell the truth all the time....

99% of people neither respect their parents nor tell the truth that's why the world is filled with violence so they must be a member of a group teaching them all the importance of respecting parents and telling the truth at all times before it could work.
That's why you are here always arguing fruitlessly because you failed to realize that people don't just respect people they must be convinced to do so heartily!🙂

Of course Islam is a failure after seeing the FRUIT of the religion one could easily tell without having to read any book.

The purpose of religion is to unite people of all sorts under one umbrella so that they no longer think of settling issues with the use of weapons but peacefully through the WORD of their God.

To illustrate think of a King who built a big city and fenced it round, he also gave his subjects rules which supposed to be a source of guide so they can distinguish between right and wrong. Surely his main reason for doing all these is to make peace reign within his domain. So if there is no peace despite all his effort it simply means 80% are just disguising as his subjects in reality they haven't accepted him as their supreme ruler.

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if adherents of the same faith can't use the laws of their God to make peace reign among them then something is wrong somewhere!

You need to put your own house in good shape before claiming another house is not safe for habitation!🤔