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Courz:
Thank you Jare. Even Demons believe Jesus is God's Son. That's not enough to be a Christian. Your being a Christian will be shown by how accurate your doctrines are with the Belible and what you believe about Jesus.

Ọmọ you'll need to write your own Bible because this is what Jesus said regarding IDENTIFYING his true followers:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men." Matthew 7:15-20

It's not their doctrine rather what such a doctrine produces among adherents:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

If you ask Pharisees to talk about Jesus' teachings of course they will condemn it as Satanic but let's wait and see a better performing group than Jesus' disciples in the PREACHING and TEACHING of God's Kingdom in all societies! Matthew 28:1 9-20

Courz:
It is already too late to come here and eny all these when Bible students have already confirmed that the Pyramid was erected according to Charles Taze Russell's instructions. Don't come here to lie.

Even though this is a lie at least you can still tell the truth that his body wasn't buried inside the pyramid but in a tomb near it!

safarifarms:
Maybe you need revision in English. Saying an even will happen soon is different from giving a specific timeline that fails.

It's you who failed to use discernment if John questioned Jesus' authenticity {Matthew 11:3} and his disciples spread the news that Jesus will come within the lifetime of apostle John {John 21:22-23} that's enough evidence their expectation regarding timelines failed but they never mentioned a specific date.

Meanwhile the topic of discussion here is RAPTURE something that doesn't exist in the Bible at all yet Kumuyi (your pastor) is confused not until the coast is clear that no rapture is coming before he started talking!

Person wey no baptize as JW come dey claim sey hin be JW he no fit convince anyone to marry am among God's people he come tok sey them be witch!

safarifarms:
No. I quoted you to find out the demons that gives JW timelines that keep failing.

John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and first century Jewish Christians all talked about God's Kingdom at hand and faithful people have been anticipating it from time immemorial but RAPTURE is a strange doctrine.
So if you like hit your head on the wall it is not a case of modern day Christians it has been the same all the time as God's servants keep anticipating the end of badness!

descarado:
This is charles tomb
Make your conclusion.
Courz abi court, leave JW alone.
Move on.
No be only you be ex-member.
I was once a member.

Sorry that's not Charles Taze Russell's tomb but the most popular tomb in the cemetery where he was buried.
If you check the Internet the information is on the site that Charles was buried near this pyramid.
This is his real tomb below!

safarifarms:
I quoted you because you mocked him while you guys also have skeletons in your cupboard.
You left the log in your eyes to point at the peck in another man's eyes. He doesn't need to be my pastor for me to notice the hypocrisy. I have no business with his doctrines and where ever he gets them. Just as my message on this thread wasn't about your JW doctrines but specifically about having a timeline which is unscriptural.

You quoted me to fight for your pastor who doesn't know that RAPTURE no dey inside Bible!

AngelahFlo:
If you were a lawyer, you'll lose many a case.

Tell these people:

Sirmwill:
I am not a Jehovah Witness person
I am not even a church person
But
I can tell you ,you are saying a lot of truth but
Most people would not accept
So
Don't bother yourself much with arguments 😇

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same Christian doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Kingsempires:
wow I love this your statement 🙂🙏

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

RavinWolf:
I never saw a better response. Thank you. 100% correct!

It's like when Jesus was talking about his sacrificial death and many of his friends turned back never to follow him again because they thought he is demonic. John 6:60-66

What will this people tell interested ones who are contemplating listening to Jesus?

Will they say anything good about the man who talked about eating human flesh and drinking human blood? John 6:54-46

Surely what they will tell interested ones is that Jesus is a Satanist {John 10:20} but wisdom is justified by her children {Luke 7:35} whoever is honest and sincere will make sure of all things and hold fast to what is GOOD! Thessalonians 5:21

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

If you don't believe in RAPTURE then you have no business quoting me Kumuyi is confused about the unscriptural doctrine which kept him silent until 23 & 24 September is over!

safarifarms:
What kind of low mental reasoning is this?

Courz:
I like the fact that the Lady never got baptized. She made sure never to do that because she could see the Fraud in JW. AND she knew that if she made that mistake, leaving the Cult will be very difficult.

See me see trouble!

So nah interested person sef no be JW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J7NS_6n7qs?si=vGPkE-opTToROpX5

safarifarms:
You just quoted the portions of the Bible that puts the claims of your people to shame. Then you go back to the lie that Kumuyi is my pastor. I'm not a member of deeper life. So he's not my pastor. Face the issue and stop trying to force Kumiyi to be my pastor.

Stop lying!
If he's not your pastor why quote me in the first place when you are not interested in the topic of discussion?

safarifarms:
Acts 1:7 (New International Version)
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

That's Jesus' response to his own friends who asked him when he is turning over God's government to Israel! Act 1:6
So they believe God's Kingdom should come in their lifetime!

safarifarms:
Your people thought they knew better than Jesus by coming up with timelines and God shamed them. Deal with that and stop claiming Kumiyi is my pastor. I didn't even bother to watch his video. Your mockery of him is what drew my attention considering that you have a bigger log of wood in your eyes which you will rather beat about the bush when confronted.

End of badness totally differs from your RAPTURE case. All servants of God did exactly the same thing anticipating the end of badness but this RAPTURE of a thing is not scriptural at all.

That's my point!

Kobojunkie:
I recall that particular October, back when I was still in highschool. One of my class mates, a JW, used all his allowance to buy us rice, dodo, and meat at the cafeteria stalls. He believed that sheet for real. 🥱🥱🥱

So you are saying it was JWs that made the announcement for RAPTURE when JWs don't even believe in rapture.

And when did JWs start believing what is coming from religions that's not part of their organization?

You people just love lying without thinking!

There is no word like RAPTURE in the entire Bible but misinformed churchgoers have swallowed it hook line and sinker without checking their Bibles to see if the word ever appeared in the holy scriptures! Act 17:11

safarifarms:
The world will end one day, everyone knows that. If you want to equate them to JW's illusions then show me where they gave a year that it will happen like the JW failed predictions.

I have given you more than enough but it's clear that you are just anxious to fight for your pastor.

John demanded if Jesus is the real Christ! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus' disciples asked him if he will hand over God's Kingdom to Israel in the first century! Act 1:7

First century disciples of Christ thought apostle John will not die until Jesus return! John 21:22-23

Why?

Because they expected Jesus to start his rulership in their own lifetime.

So it's not a crime for believers to eagerly anticipate the end of badness but this RAPTURE of a thing is nowhere to be found in the scriptures so anyone anticipating it is deluded that's my point!

When people gets tired of their former religion!🙂

People can say whatever they like after all there is freedom of speech expression and worship!🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdRvbJcBcwY?si=Skdr-dUUaiW7euH5

safarifarms:
I'm actually tired and bored of reading disjointed epistles where you keep carefully derailing from the issue of discuss to other things. We were on how you mocked Kumiyi whom you later claimed is my pastor when he's not. Since you don't have a defence of your people's failed timings you decided to force narratives on me to deviate from the truth. Where did your people get all those timings from? That is what you should be defending, not beating about the bush.

Where did John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century disciples got all what they were saying that never happened since 2,000 years ago?

I laugh in Deeperlifer language with this thread:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Gather all your friends to accuse God's people nothing will happen! Matthew 10:24-25🙂

safarifarms:
The hypocrisy is actually of you trying to force things that are only in your head on me like Kumiyi being my pastor and rapture that I never talked about.
You keep trying to hide behind old time prophets that didn't set a time to defend your folks that set multiple failed years. Deal with that and stop conjuring falsehoods to force on me.

It's like you don't understand what you're saying but i will help you.

Imagine yourself in first century Jewish community then a Jew named Theuʹdas after realizing that it's time for the kingdom of God to be revealed this man claimed he is the Messiah (Christ) he gathered followers in their thousands fighting the Romans anticipating to free the Jews under the Roman colony but he was captured and killed! Act 5:36

About two decades later another Jew this time a Galilean named Judas also started terrorizing the whole community claiming he is the real Messiah (Christ) but he too was caught and killed then all his followers scattered.

About a decade later John the baptist began declaring that God's Kingdom is at hand {Matthew 3:2} this man did it for several years until Jewish religious leaders sent words to find out if he also will claim he's the Christ but John emphatically said NO! John 1:19-21

Years later Jesus of Nazareth also began preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood but this time around this one neither said yes or no to the same question but he began performing great miracles and teaching people.

Later Jesus was caught and killed only for his disciples to start preaching and teaching in his name and performing miracles in his name.

Now if you lived through all these times will you believe any of them after seeing they all died miserably and the end has not come?

Of course any faithless jew will say it's all nonsense because nothing changed their situation under the Roman government only got worsen.

So you will start attaching dates to each occurrence:
Theudas, Judas, John, Jesus, Christians all claimed God's Kingdom is near yet nothing changed but do you think it's all nonsense today?
I know you will say John, Jesus and the Christians are not doing nonsense after all that what the Bible says now.

So instead of mixing it all up a faithful person will separate falsehood from truth not just say all of them claims the same thing at different times!🙂

Terrorists are relegated politicians who are tired of protesting so after some military training and possessing weapons they disturb the peace enjoyed by the subjects of their opponents.
What the terrorists are saying in effect is that your rulers are incapable of protecting you but then when they find any group of people speaking against their actions and taking sides with the incumbent rulers they will attack such a gathering with full force.

True Christians have always preached to their neighbors that only God's Kingdom can solve mankind's problems so when these terrorists listen to us many of them feels sorry for their actions because they have killed many innocent souls thinking they can get justice through violence.

Misinformed churchgoers support one ruler against another that's why politicians gives them a free hand to operate freely even though they know their committing a lot of atrocities, all what politicians want from them is to help convince their members to support them.

kingxsamz:
So the Christians who have been killed by terrorists were not "true Christians"?

Terrorists don't know the true Christians if they know us many of them will drop their weapons and repent.
So they are killing people who serves as threat to their ambitions not Christians.

AntiChristian:
Yes, in the mosque I pray in there are no speakers at all. We use our mouth to call the adhan. So what else do you have to say?

Do you believe Mecca is where your religion started from?
Do worshipers of your Allah use megaphones in Mecca to call for salat?
Are you saying people using megaphone to call for salat aren't true Muslims?

Answer these questions sincerely to prove you know better than Arabians.

safarifarms:
You are so funny to shift the goal post to rapture that wasn't my issue with you and your people. And I'm not among the confused that went to the forest nor believe in any fake timing which I can only laugh about. I was pointing out your hypocrisy for mocking Kumiyi when your people are also author of confusion that also have a history of failed timing.

Timing has always been the problem of believers from time immemorial so your hypocrisy only shows you don't know your Bible enough to figure out that God's people have always worried about the timing of His kingdom so if you want to tackle that then you have to condemn prophets of old who also got things wrong regarding the timing of God's promised kingdom.

My main reason for speaking about your pastor is how he was also caught in the web of false doctrine like RAPTURE he is only speaking after the date failed and nothing happened but there is nothing called RAPTURE in God's word.

That's my point!

They guys worship Mammon {Matthew 6:24} so they have the right to own whatever their hearts crave for! Luke 4:5-7

Janosky:
;D
E no dey ooo !
Yahweh can not dwell inside house on earth.

The New Jerusalem is what he wants to call heaven but is heaven literally coming down to Earth?
Of course not!

AntiChristian:
All these churches disturbing me with noises I think it's high time I reported them to LASEPA to come lock them up for just a few days!
Is it a must to use speakers for vigils or even other services? Your congregation is in the church not outside! Do why disturb those sleeping?

Do call to salat done within the walls of your mosques or outside?

You seems to forget that the rest of your four fingers are pointing back at you in this case!🤔

DiarisGodoo:
So give one example when Jehovah's Witnesses brought light to the world, or even participated in bringing light to the world

Read the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3 then tell me which religion is fulfilling this prophecy today since Jesus who the Bible called light {John 3:19} and Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} ordered his disciples to gather peace lovers from all the nations of the earth! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is going from place to place erasing hatred in the minds of people and turning them to friends of peace but as for the rest all of you are in dense darkness fighting and killing yourselves {Revelations 6:3-4} even after Jesus has commanded that worshipers of God must love everyone! Matthew 5:43-48

That's what all these people are saying:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Do you still need further clarification to know that only Jehovah's Witnesses are the LIGHT OF THE WORLD? Matthew 5:14-16