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Ken4Christ:
It's an understatement. Our Lord Jesus said that there shall be false prophets. And these false prophets also have churches. Well, a good example is your organisation, Jehovah Witness. I have proven it to you repeatedly. Please, leave them and embrace truth.

Jehovah's Witnesses is the one and only true Christian organization throughout the world that is why you can't mention the name of your own church so that we may not compare what your church does besides Jehovah's Witnesses! John 3:19-21

Ken4Christ:
Of course it matters. This is why its important you identify with a Christ believing church.

So there are fake churches/religions.
Right?

Ken4Christ:
New Jerusalem came down from heaven and God said my throne will be in it.

You have started lying again!

New Jerusalem came down from heaven totally differs from:

Ken4Christ:
Because, God wants to create a new heaven and a new earth that will be merged together. The new heaven will come down to earth.

So you are lying!

Ken4Christ:
It's in the Bible. Go read Revelation 21 and 22

Stop deceiving yourself!

AngelahFlo:
Won't argue what's a basic truth with you. To do that is to subject myself to a Hamster Ferris Wheel. Trading words back and forth without achieving anything. Jesus said He is the Way the Truth and The Life.
All the other religion point to something as their way to freedom. True Christianity points to Jesus and His redemptive work on the cross. This isn't even an arguable fact John 3 explains it all and 2nd Corinthians 5:17-21 cements it.

Continue deceiving yourself!

Satan uses the same tactic all the time.

In the days of Moses all the religions in the world believe they are all worshiping the Creator but only the Israelites were right.

In the first century all the religions in Israel believe they are worshiping the God of Moses but only Jesus' disciples were right.

In our time countless religions claim they are believers in Christ but only Jehovah's Witnesses are right.

It's as simple as that!

Janosky:

Oga,Is this a joke?
Is it that city wey descendants of Abraham dey fight themselves everytime?Just asking......

He knows next to nothing yet he will be condemning the one and only true religion!

AngelahFlo:
You have a point.
I won't point out to an unbeliever to follow a religion but I'll point him or her to the cross. When we witness to the lost. We witness the saving grace of Jesus. We witness the need of the unbeliever to confess their sins. We emphasize their fallen nature and their need of a savior in order to get back to God.

There is over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming believers in that same thing you call "CROSS"
If you can't point to the original among them it simply means you don't know the truth, when Jesus walked the earth there were several sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses Jesus condemned all of them and presented his own group as the one and only true religion! Matthew 12:46-50

Ken4Christ:
Revelation 21:2,3, 22, 23.
2 And I John saw the holy city, NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:3-5
3 And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4 AND THEY SHALL SEE HIS FACE; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; FOR THE LORD GOD GIVETH THEM LIGHT: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

What can we deduce from all these?

The New Jerusalem came down from heaven and became the new heaven where God himself dwells.

And the Scripture says that we shall see his face which wasn't possible even till now.

Heaven and earth is now merged into one with the New Jerusalem as the headquarter. Other nations will pay yearly pilgrimage to the Holy city.

The Holy city doesn't need the Sun or the moon because the glory of God will lighten it and Christ is that glory.

Just read Chapter 21 and 22 of the book of Revelation to get the total picture.

Guy can you just quote where the Bible says:

Ken4Christ:
Because, God wants to create a new heaven and a new earth that will be merged together. The new heaven will come down to earth.

"Heaven or New Heaven will come down to Earth?"

Ken4Christ:
There is the need to gather because the Bible recognises the church institution and even say those who forsake the assembly of the saints together are committing sin

So if they gather the pastor teachings doesn't matter?

sonmvayina:
I don't believe falsehoods.
I share knowledge........that's what I do.

OK o!

sonmvayina:
The book of Daniel was written like 150 -200 years after the facts. That's why the book continues to move back and front. That's why it gets so many things wrong, like this part of the story. We know there was no Darius the mede who was a king. Maybe a regent.
The purpose of the story is to teach us to remain calm in the midst of chaos.

Sometimes i wonder what exactly you believe yet you quote the Bible calling it "allegory"

Since most people don't care to know the true Christians instead they just want to call any religion that's calling Jesus Christians there is no way you can separate truth from falsehood!

Campaign after election.

Where was Kumuyi when the matter dey hot?

Acidosis:
Quality leadership is the fastest way to change the narrative. Expecting over 200 million Nigerians to change their ways is an exercise in futility. It is easier for 10 leaders to transform the country than for 20 million households. Have you not seen countries where visionary leadership changed the narrative , Singapore, for instance?

If majority of the people want something surely it will work not in Nigeria where majority only wants to oppress the less privileged!

and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” Deuteronomy 12:30 NIV‬


Worshipers of the true God shouldn't try to copy any of the customs or traditions of pagans because God will not accept it from His own worshipers.

Birthday celebration is what pagans were doing in ancient times to display their worth hence apostle John warned Christians saying:

Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever. 1John 2:15-17

Acidosis:
So you agree that Nigeria is the only country with lawless and useless lawmakers and leaders?

Nigeria's problem is not about the leaders or lawmakers the fact remains that 99% of Nigerians are wicked people and since you can't bring foreigners to lead or make laws here it's from among the wicked people leaders and lawmakers were selected.

If the 1% nice finds a way into the group of leaders and lawmakers the 99% will oppress, intimidate and persecute them in fact they will flush them out of the system unless they succumb to pressure.

So for Nigerians to have a fair chance to life the change must starts from each home not from the leaders whom you choose among the wicked generation!

Ken4Christ:
Are you interested in the answer?

Quote where the Bible said heaven will come down to the earth. Simple!

Ken4Christ:
Anyone can be a Christian, even a juju priest.
Just follow the instructions in Romans 10:9-10.
It's that simple.

So is there any need for these people to gather for a pastor to teach them?

Ọmọ you get time o.

Ken doesn't believe the Bible it's what his pastors told him he carries in his mind!

Truthseeker10:
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,a for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man,

and He will dwell with them.

They will be His people,

and God Himself will be with them as their God.b

4‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’c

and there will be no more death

or mourning or crying or pain,

for the former things have passed away.”

5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.” 6And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life. 7The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.

8But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”

The New Jerusalem

9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven final plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11shining with the glory of God. Its radiance was like a most precious jewel, like a jasper, as clear as crystal. 12The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15The angel who spoke with me had a golden measuring rod to measure the city and its gates and walls. 16The city lies foursquare, with its width the same as its length. And he measured the city with the rod, and all its dimensions were equal—12,000 stadiad in length and width and height. 17And he measured its wall to be 144 cubits,e by the human measure the angel was using.

18The wall was made of jasper, and the city itself of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were adorned with every kind of precious stone:

The first foundation was jasper,

the second sapphire,

the third chalcedony,

the fourth emerald,

20the fifth sardonyx,

the sixth carnelian,

the seventh chrysolite,

the eighth beryl,

the ninth topaz,

the tenth chrysoprase,

the eleventh jacinth,

and the twelfth amethyst.

21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, with each gate consisting of a single pearl. The main street of the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.

22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.f 25Its gates will never be shut at the end of the day, because there will be no night there.

26And into the city will be brought the glory and honor of the nations. 27But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Above is the whole of Revelation 21. Kindly show me where it was said that heaven will come down to earth.

This shows some people are sincere with the topic of Christ's return unlike many claiming Christians but can't see that both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth said "God's Kingdom is near" Matthew 3:2; 4:17

How do you think any followers Jesus will view the coming of God's Kingdom in the first century?
Surely they believe it will come in their time and that's exactly what they told people around them.
So the case of God's Kingdom being near is something that calls for serious concern but instead of many to ask sincere questions they just sit back and point fingers at whoever anticipates God's Kingdom with faith tagging such ones as false prophets!

You people have gathered teachers for yourselves to teach you what you want to hear instead of asking what true faith teaches yet you want to condemn one another when you are not open for truth!

Ken4Christ:
I never said that there is no true religion. I said you can't find God through religion. Christianity is its true sense is not a religion but people made different religion out of it.

You are still going round in circles!

Can a Catholic or Celestial or Cherubim and Seraphim or Jehovah's Witnesses be a Christian?

YES or NO!

Ken4Christ:
Read the whole of Revelation 21

You don't know what the Bible teaches yet you want to condemn true Christians if you don't know the truth why not keep quiet?
You said something you're asked to quote where it's written and you start hiding.
If you're sure of what you said why not quote it out as found written in your copy of the Bible?

Ken4Christ:
You can't find God through religion. There is no religion that leads to God.
True Christianity is not a religion. It's a relationship. It is the revelation of the fatherhood of God.

So why do you condemn some religion if there is no true religion?

rapsfudy:
Now I am asking bluntly.

Where someone does juju to get rich
Someone does juju yo bring another person down or to make another person suffer misfortune where these are a result of juju or something

Are these real? Nowadays people say people use juju to kill destiny of their friends. Has anyone seen this work? I am open here

According to the Bible rebellious angels (demons) also want worshipers among humans that's why they followed one of them who first rebelled against God this angels has a leader he is the first to make that move {Isaiah 14:12} and ⅓ of the angels in heaven supported his move {Revelations 12:4} these rebellious angels are ready to give whatever their worshipers wants to them provided the worshiper is ready to prove wicked like them. Some Jews later became worshipers of these demons before God punished their nation during the time of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.
They wanted riches at all cost so the demons demanded they burn their sons and daughters in the fire {Jeremiah 7:31} proof that they are no longer friends of the God who gave them laws not to murder! Exodus 20:13
So rituals is real and there is no other spirits behind it than rebellious angels or demons! 1Corinthans 10:20

But there is a secret!

These demons remains anonymous to the common man it's only their agents that knows their real identity so they are using their human agents to lure people into rituals by disguising as worshipers of the true God! 2Corinthians 11:14

And as for calling down evil over people it's not new, in Bible times a man named "Balaam" was offered a huge sum of money to curse the Israelites! Numbers 22:1-6

So if one man could be paid to call down evil over God's own people which he did do you think such agents of demons are no longer around today?🤔

Zocalite:
This man you be marketer of jw

You argue with Christians cos they are not from the sect of jw, you argue with non Christian, even if a non Christian becomes Christian of non jw sect, you argue with him

But jw aren't Christians, they are just like Catholic, 7day, mormon etc

One thing you failed to know is that i hate arguments i only present the truth as found in God's word so if you are for the truth present the religion that's PRACTICING what Jesus taught his disciples instead of claiming someone is arguing with those you can't vouch for their religion yet you call them "Christians"

Preciousgirl:
Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Satan's last move is to see that all humans destroy themselves with their own hands {Revelations 6:3-4} and God has foreseen this thousands of years ago so He revealed to Isaiah and Micah that towards the end of this wicked world faithful people throughout the earth will start coming together to learn how they can form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers through the study of God's word {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's the mission Jesus accomplished when he told his disciples to go throughout the earth and gather peace lovers {Luke 10:6} so these peace lovers will serve as witnesses that the Prince of Peace has conquered Satan ahead of his evil plan! John 16:33

So Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching work for faithful people to connect themselves and make peace reign among obedient humans {Matthew 28:19-20} in view of this mission it was revealed to a prophet of God that a time is coming when God will command his angels to pen down the names of those who became obedient to the prince of peace {Malachi 3:16} and these faithful people will know the difference between truth and falsehood! Malachi 3:18

Preciousgirl:
What is this book?
Whose names are in there?

Therefore those who spend their time with the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) in studying God's word will surely have their names written in God's memory book or the book of life {Malachi 3:16} and when it's time for Jesus to command his angels to destroy disobedient humans {Luke 19:27} those whose names are found in the book that was written will be spared! Revelations 20:15

This is a very bitter and hard pill to swallow but it's the truth that's why Zephaniah said only those who are humble and searching for righteousness can escape God's day of vengeance! Zephaniah 2:2-3

God bless you and may you have peace!

Ken4Christ:
Antichrist religion like Jehovah Witness has only one thing to offer: false teachings that lures people to hell. Jehovah Witness is the most dangerous religion in the world. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light.

The only religion with the way out of the falsehood that has blinded all of you for so long. Even though you want to scam your fellow man in the name of religion yet you don't have the fear of God to speak evil of what is good! Isaiah 35:8

God's holy spirit has worked out what if fine in a world that's filled with hatred, violence and brutality and the only group that has solved this problem in their midst {Isaiah 2:4} you dare raise your mouth to speak against!😟


“So I tell you, people can be forgiven for every sinful thing they do and for every bad thing they say against God. But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.You can even speak against the Son of Man and be forgiven. But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven—not now or in the future." Matthew 12:31-32 ERV Bible

Steep:
Jehovah witness is no better.

Stop deceiving yourself:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses can help you people, go now and ask for help before it's too late!

Steep:
The events in Revelation is yet to be fulfilled. You have deviated, so according to the book of Revelation the first resurrection comprises those who were given judgments and seats and the souls of those who did not recieve the mark plus where murdered for the word of God, the rest of the dead did not live till after the 1000 years non of what you wrote is correct.

This is why i asked you if Paul is part of the first resurrection.
And you said: yes.
So when did mark of the beast occurred since its linked to the first resurrection?

Steep:
According to Revelation 20, the first resurrection is for people who were killed for not accepting the mark of the beast but The rest of the dead did not live until after the 1000 years was over.

This is what you typed with your own hands

Steep:
That verse is not talking about be acquainted from sin in a judicial way but being free from the control of sin.

I know you will start lying after seeing it but this is for lovers of truth not liars who just want to stick to lies they have been taught from childhood.

@ Romans 6:7 Paul said the dead has been freed from their sins because death is the only punishment God gave for sin! Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17

Zocalite:
Why the argument
Two of you are saying the same thing in different formats
If an unbeliver sees your behaviour and ask which religion you doing?
What will be your response
Don't forget other religions have good deed too

We aren't saying the same thing o!

First of all Christianity is a religion just like many others and good deeds doesn't make a person Christian it's a matter of doing the work Jesus assigned his disciples so someone could be a Muslim, Buddhist, Traditionalist, Judaist, Hindu even Freethinker or Atheist and still have good deeds but it's the work Jesus gave his disciples that makes them his disciples not good deeds.
Therefore it's only the group doing that job that are Christians not just people with good deeds!