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JimRohn:
You’re still dodging Scripture with empty slogans. ‘God chose Israel’ doesn’t erase Balaam — because the Bible itself shows God putting His Spirit on a non-Israelite to deliver oracles. Your excuse that Balaam was ‘attacking God’s will’ is laughable. Jonah literally ran from God’s will and wished Nineveh destroyed — yet you still call him a prophet. Peter denied Jesus three times — yet you call him an apostle. Stop pretending sin cancels someone’s prophetic role when your own book proves otherwise. That’s double standards, plain and simple.

You are still dancing around facts.
Balaam's action is not excusable unlike others who sinned due to imperfection and begged God for forgiveness Balaam accepted a bribe to curse God's people.
It's like saying one slept with the wife of his neighbor, another ran for his life and still another denied his friend out of fear then you are talking about someone who collected a bribe to attack God's will. Perhaps you don't understand i will explain, Balaam's action is like someone who accepted a bribe to bomb Muslims praying in a mosque and the one who slept with an adulterous woman or one who ran away from his duty out of fear and you are equating them.

JimRohn:
As for your cheap deflection about Arabs being tribalistic — nonsense. Respecting Prophet Muhammad ﷺ with ‘peace be upon him’ is honoring God’s Messenger, exactly as the Qur’an commands us to do with all prophets. In fact, Muslims are the only people who revere Moses, Jesus, Abraham, David, and all prophets without discrimination (Qur’an 2:285). Meanwhile, you insult and mock Muhammad ﷺ, the very man your Bible foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18. That shows who’s tribal and biased here — not us.

I purposely dragged you along until you posted more than ten comments using the name of your prophet adding that funny thing and now you are lying that you revere all the prophets but you add that thing only at the mention of your prophet. Isn't that tribalistically hilarious to you?

JimRohn:
📌 Bottom line: Balaam shatters your Israel-only theory, and Muhammad ﷺ shatters your Trinity. That’s why you’re running in circles with insults instead of addressing the facts.

Muslim has come with your provocation when nobody forced you into making comments.
Where are the insults?
Ọmọ i purposely quoted you because i don't believe in Trinity since it's not written in the Bible so stop being funny!

oridavid:
Tell us what convinced you that fruitfulness and multiplying is a command to procreate. And why do you think they didn't procreate till after they sinned?

Why do you think people always worry after a couple's wedding lasted for several years without having a child?

Well we all believe time is going which Adam and Eve never thought until God declared that they now have an expiring date.

So if Adam and Eve didn't think of dying they can't think of procreation while they are still enjoying their youthful life together as young lovebirds.

JimRohn:
Your desperation is showing again. You keep clinging to Balaam’s sin while ignoring the plain text that calls his speeches ‘the oracle of Balaam… who hears the words of God, who sees the vision of the Almighty’ (Numbers 24:3–4). That is prophetic language word-for-word. His corruption doesn’t erase the fact that God’s Spirit spoke through him. By your logic, David committing adultery, or Solomon bowing to idols, should also strip them of prophecy. But you never deny their titles — because when it’s Israelite sins, you excuse them, but when it’s a non-Israelite, you twist the rules. Hypocrisy exposed.

God chose the Israelites that's enough to know why prophets are called among them and none of God's prophets lay a curse on God's people. You should know the difference between personal flaws and attack on God's will. Balaam wanted to curse God's people for inheriting the land God promised their ancestors that is not personal flaws but attack on God's will!

JimRohn:
As for your cheap shot about me writing ﷺ after Muhammad’s name: that’s respect, not 'funny.' It means peace be upon him, the same way your Bible says ‘grace and peace be upon you’ in greetings. If you find it funny that I honor a prophet of God, that says more about your mockery than my faith.

📌 Bottom line: Balaam proves God can raise a prophet outside Israel, whether you like it or not. And your obsession with Muhammad ﷺ only shows that deep down you know he fits the universal prophecies your Bible foretold.

How come you don't RESPECT all other prophets equally if the Arabs aren't tribalistic?

oridavid:
This is off point Max.
But it's OK though. Let's all go in peace. Thanks for your time.

Of course it will sound off point because it doesn't go according to your thinking.

Well it's alright.

Cheers!

Daejumong:
Being a celebrity doesn’t make u to be above the law. Pastors must enforce church laws fairly across board! Nobody Must be above church rules.

The problem you people have is simple:

You are not following the scriptures instead you people are following man-made traditions.

There is nothing called "PRAYER ALTAR" among the first century Christians so if you want to set it as a rule it won't work because there is freedom of expression, speech and worship, and since you can't quote it out in the Bible such accusation is unfounded!

Misconception or Misinterpretation!

Whatever is found written in the Bible is here to stay forever except we are debating about Misinterpretation of the written words but when you say Misconception then it shouldn't be what we found WRITTEN rather how people misinterpret it.
For instance if i as a Christian should see to the Quran i will say it's totally not an inspired book.
WHY?
Because it's only one man who got all the so called "inspiration" among people who never knew God's laws before therefore on what ground could he have been sent to declare a message totally strange to a nation who knew nothing about the laws of the God he wanted to declare His message?

Daejumong:
The prayer altar must be respected. Only the priests are allowed there.

Can you quote where this is practiced among Christians in the Bible?

Guy for accepting a bribe to curse God's people is evidence that Balaam wasn't a prophet of God at all.
If truly he knows God and His purposes how could he accept a bribe to cause the people God has blessed?
Guy you are a Muslim and i know how you people think that's why i told you to close the chapter instead of giving you a headache.
Meanwhile i noticed how you've been adding something funny each time you type the name of your prophet but never did same when you mention other prophets mind if i ask you why?

JimRohn:
You keep hiding behind jokes because you can’t face the text. Let’s be clear: Balaam was paid to curse, but what happened? He couldn’t. Why? Because God overpowered him and put His own words in Balaam’s mouth (Numbers 22:38, 23:5, 24:2). That’s the very definition of prophecy — a man speaking not his own will, but God’s words under God’s Spirit.

So your ‘common sense’ is actually nonsense. By your logic, Jonah — who ran from God and wanted Nineveh destroyed — also wasn’t a prophet, because he had the wrong intentions. Yet God forced Jonah to deliver His message. Same pattern.

📌 Bottom line: Your mockery doesn’t change Scripture. The Bible itself calls Balaam’s speeches “oracles” and says “the Spirit of God came upon him.” Either you accept what your own book says, or admit you’re rejecting it to protect your tribal bias.

oridavid:
Did Jesus condemn slavery happening at his time? Would you also say that God wants us to keep other humans as slaves?

Jesus did condemned slavery among his own disciples!
How?
Now read what Jesus said to his disciples:
However, there also arose a heated dispute among them over which one of them was considered to be the greatest. But he said to them: “The kings of the nations lord it over them, and those having authority over them are called Benefactors. You, though, are not to be that way. But let the one who is the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the one taking the lead as the one ministering. For which one is greater, the one dining or the one serving? Is it not the one dining? But I am among you as the one serving". Luke 22:24-27

Now answer me:
Can someone who has a slave who also has accepted Christ as teacher continue treating his fellow believer as a slave?
Of course it's not going to work!
Because Jesus commanded his disciples to become slaves to one another if they wants to be blessed as his true disciples so if you have a slave who is also a Christian will you serve him by washing his feet just as Jesus did?
Definitely Jesus eradicated slavery among his own disciples if it escapes your notice know that today!

Tboy222:
Please I need this two books. The spiritual man by watchman nee. Finishing Strong by Steve Ferrar. I like along Mowe around Lagos Ibadan expressway. If you know any bookstore around there kindly let me know.

Has these books been of benefit to a group of people or just individual choice for selfish purpose?

oridavid:
And you too can see that he didn't procreate because the procreation is not from God. If it did, he would have procreated.

Jesus didn't marry because he must return to heaven (realm above) where he came from {John 8:23} but when talking about marriage and procreation Jesus never condemned it because he is the Son of Mary who came into existence through procreation. Matthew 1:16

JimRohn:
You’re tying yourself in knots, and it’s embarrassing. You just admitted God put His own words in Balaam’s mouth — yet still claim he wasn’t God’s prophet. That’s like saying a man who delivers God’s message under God’s Spirit isn’t a messenger. Pure nonsense.

So someone paid to curse God's people is God's prophet shey?

Ọmọ you are just amusing me walahi talahi because it's common sense!

Nnamdipapa:
Just listen to yourself, my friend. Everyone who is not a member of your cult is not humble, an evil doer, and must be destroyed.

I know you've been reading under-G but kept mute instead of asking questions regarding what you are reading.

Well humility connotes submissiveness please let whoever claims he is humble present the school of thought to which he is humbly obedient and his fellow obedient students having the same line of thought which works out REAL BENEFITS!
In the absence of that whoever claims he is humble is deceiving himself.
If everyone claims we are all humble then why are we having serious issues that's leading to hatred and killings among us? Revelations 6:3-4
Do you think humility and killings goes together?
Humility should gather it's own children for the whole world to see that there is a global family who are obediently adhering to what they are being taught and such humility should be appealing to everyone who loves peace. Matthew 5:14-16

Please ask anyone you know here to present the school of thought to which he is humbly obedient to the same line of thought that's working out REAL BENEFITS among all the students of the same faculty!

oridavid:
If you obey someone's command then you serve him. If you thunk jesus is the one who came to save you who couldn't save yourself, then you serve him.
But If you disagree, that's fine. I don't think it matters to Jesus that you say you don't serve him. What matters is that you do what he says.

You must be a joker.
Someone said he got what he is saying from God who i respected so much and so i obeyed what he said because it's from God how does that translate to serving him?
It's like saying an environmental health personnel told you what the government said for the benefit of all citizens and you acted upon it does that makes him the one you serve or you are obeying due to the source of the information?

“What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or I speak of my own originality. Whoever speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him, this one is true and there is no unrighteousness in him." John 7:16-18

This is what made faithful people follow Jesus because they believe he is speaking the word of God not his own.

Do you get it now?

The highlighted is where you got it totally wrong!

God twisted Balaam's tongue so that instead of cursing God's people he was blessing them just as God promised Abraham {Genesis 12:3} that never made him God's prophet a prophet of God is someone commissioned by God to go and deliver His message but Balaam was paid to curse God's people that is why God intervened so how does that makes the evil man God's prophet?

JimRohn:
Your desperation is showing. You can’t erase Balaam just because he destroys your 'Israel-only prophets' theory. Let’s deal with the facts — not your spin.

1️⃣ The text itself calls Balaam God’s mouthpiece.
– Numbers 22:38: “The word God puts in my mouth, that must I speak.”
– Numbers 23:5: “The LORD put a word in Balaam’s mouth.”
– Numbers 24:2: “The Spirit of God came upon him.”
That’s prophetic language word-for-word. No amount of handwaving changes what the Bible plainly says.

2️⃣ Your excuse ‘he was just hired’ is laughable.
So what? That makes it even clearer: God can and did use a man outside Israel to deliver His own words, against his own will if necessary. That proves God is not chained to your tribal boundaries.

3️⃣ Calling Balaam ‘not a prophet’ contradicts Scripture.
Numbers 24:3 introduces his speech as “the oracle of Balaam… the man whose eyes are opened… who hears the words of God.” That’s the same prophetic formula used for Israelite prophets. If you deny Balaam was a prophet, you’re denying your own Bible’s terminology — not me.

4️⃣ Your double standard is exposed.
When an Israelite sins (David commits adultery, Solomon worships idols), you still call them prophets and kings of God. But when a non-Israelite speaks God’s word under His Spirit, you scramble to strip the title away. That’s not exegesis — that’s bias.

📌 Bottom line: The record is crystal clear — Balaam was a non-Israelite through whom the Spirit of God spoke. That alone destroys your false rule that God only spoke through Israel after Canaan. You can keep running circles, but every time you open your mouth, you’re arguing against your own Scripture.

Let's talk about Balaam because it seems that is your only problem.

He came from the same area where Abraham once lived that's why he knew about the God of Abraham and so claim to be a prophet of that God but God never sent him to any place except when he was hired to curse God's people.

So he wasn't a prophet of God as you claim!

JimRohn:
You keep asserting things the Bible doesn’t say, then moving the goalpost. Now you’ve added a pile of plain errors. Let’s clean them up—fast and exact.

1. “They are all grandchildren of Isaac.”
No. Balaam wasn’t an Israelite: he’s “Balaam son of Beor, from Pethor by the Euphrates” (in Aram), and says, “the word that God puts in my mouth, that must I speak” (Num 22:5; 22:38; 23:5). Num 24:2 even says “the Spirit of God came upon him.” That is prophetic language.
Job is from Uz (Job 1:1)—outside Israel; the NT cites him as an exemplar like the prophets (Jas 5:10–11).
Melchizedek is pre-Israel, “priest of God Most High” (Gen 14:18; Heb 7).
Stop repeating that they’re “grandchildren of Isaac.” It’s factually false.

2. “After Canaan, God never sent a prophet outside Israel.”
The text refutes you. Jonah (long after settlement) is sent to Nineveh (Assyria) and the nation repents (Jonah 3). Elijah/Elisha minister beyond Israel: Sidon (Zarephath) and Syria (1 Kgs 17; 2 Kgs 5). Jesus Himself cites these as proof that God’s sending wasn’t Israel-only (Luke 4:25–27). Your rule isn’t biblical; it’s your invention.

3. You tried to downgrade Balaam: “not a prophet, just knew things.”
Read the text. He delivers oracles introduced with, “The oracle of Balaam… the man whose eyes are opened… who hears the words of God” (Num 24:3–4). That’s prophetic formula. Whether you like him is irrelevant; God spoke through a non-Israelite.

4. “Deut 18:18 means only an Israelite (not Ishmaelites).”
Deuteronomy uses “brothers” for non-Israelites of Abrahamic kin:
– “Your brothers, the sons of Esau” (Deut 2:4).
– “You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother” (Deut 23:7).
So “from among their brothers” reasonably includes kin-nations (Edom/Ishmael). Your claim that “Israel never calls them brothers” is directly contradicted by Deuteronomy.

5. “Everlasting covenant” = Isaac-only forever.
Even things called “everlasting” can be superseded in function: the Sabbath (Ex 31:16) and Levitical priesthood (Ex 40:15) are termed “everlasting,” yet Christians don’t keep the Levitical system and claim a different priesthood in Hebrews. “Everlasting” in Hebrew covenant idiom means enduring for God’s purpose—not a straitjacket on His guidance.

6. “After Christianity was commissioned… no new major prophet, no new form of worship.”
Chapter-and-verse for that closure? The NT assumes post-Jesus prophecy:
– “In the last days… your sons and daughters shall prophesy” (Acts 2:17).
– “Test the prophets” (1 Jn 4:1) only makes sense if prophets can arise.
Your “closure” claim is theology, not scripture.

7. Universal scope was foretold—your tribal barrier is not.
– Gen 12:3: “All nations shall be blessed.”
– Isa 42: the Servant brings law to the nations; even Kedar (Ishmaelite line) is named rejoicing (Isa 42:11).
– Mal 1:11: God’s name great “in every place.”
A messenger who restores pure monotheism to all nations fits this trajectory. Muhammad ﷺ does; your ethnic gatekeeping does not.

8. “Jesus started Christians; pure worship = Jehovah’s Witnesses now.”
Appealing to your denomination doesn’t rewrite the Bible. If “pure worship” is your test, explain the thousands of conflicting churches, canons, and creeds. Islam’s tawḥīd is simple and intact: worship the God of Jesus, not Jesus as God.

Bottom line:
– Your “Israel-only after Canaan” rule is nowhere in the Bible and is contradicted by Jonah, Elijah/Elisha, and Jesus’ own words.
– “Brothers” in Deuteronomy includes non-Israelite Abrahamic kin, wrecking your Deut 18 objection.
– God has never been bound by your ethnic restrictions; He sends whom He wills, and Scripture itself anticipates universal guidance.

You can keep repeating your slogan, or you can face the text. If Jonah can be sent across nations, your rule is dead—and your blanket dismissal of Muhammad ﷺ is prejudice, not exegesis.

oridavid:
That will also mean Jesus who you serve wasn't fruitful nor did he multiply.

For your information i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't serve Jesus rather we are worshipers of the God who sent Jesus to teach us how to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8; Isaiah 2:2-4
That's the purpose Christianity not worshiping Jesus!

doffman:
Paul pikin , you must marry seh .
Your religion approve it nah 😂

Let me guess:
You must be claiming a Muslim that's why the other guy claiming Christian has been exchanging all these with you.
Well let me make this clear you demeaned your faith by childishly exchanging all these with the other guy and for your information he's not a Christian that's why he couldn't mention the name of his religion where gay marriage is not approved.
I know Islam doesn't approve what Muhammad never taught but when you now see religionists claiming Muslims and going into such a thing you should be able to clarify by presenting a true Muslim group that stands out. We all know Satan is behind falsehood and that is the main reason why the two Abrahamic religion is being defamed as never even mentioned among Traditionalists.
For instance if anyone asks:
Which of the countless religions claiming Christians is practicing Christianity in the real sense only Jehovah's Witnesses can boldly say "we are the one and only organization practicing true Christianity" because we have all the evidences.
Of course members of Christendom Churches hate us for this reason but we don't care if any of them feels like challenging this let him come out and present his own religion so that we can use what Jesus taught to weigh both.
I believe that is what you should have done not just posting pictures for weeks in exchange of what the other guy is posting.
Please this is really childish and it demeans the religion you claim.
If anyone wants to challenge my claim that only Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing true Christianity watch and see who will come out if they have something tangible to say other than looking for ways to throw insults here and there.
Please stop this it doesn't show maturity on your part!

oridavid:
Adam himself wasn't born from procreation neither was Eve born from procreation, but Adam started procreating after he had misaligned himself with God.

Guy i don't have time for blind argument if you don't agree with God's word that says Adam and Eve should multiply and fill the earth then i'm through with you.
Go and tell whoever will listen to you not to procreate as all races came into existence.

Thanks for your time!

oridavid:
It's quite funny that you think Jesus had a different calling from us. He didn't have a different calling. The same calling that Jesus had was the same calling that everyone has and it was the same that Adam had.

Jesus told his listeners:

“You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world." John 8:23

Unlike all humans Jesus is not from the procreation Adam started so his mission totally differs from ours!

JimRohn:
You’ve just destroyed your own argument without realizing it. Let’s go step by step:

1️⃣ Genesis 17 doesn’t say “only Isaac’s line can have prophets.”
It says God gave Isaac the covenant of land and nationhood. Fine. But blessing, greatness, and multiplication were promised to Ishmael. If your logic is that only the covenant line can produce prophets, then explain why Jonah, Amos, Obadiah, Habakkuk, and many others — who were not priests, not Levites, not “covenant holders” — were still prophets? Covenant of land ≠ monopoly on prophethood.

They are all grandchildren of Isaac (Israelites) so my point stands!

JimRohn:
2️⃣ You’re confusing covenant with guidance.
The covenant of Isaac was about a land inheritance, not a permanent lockdown on divine guidance. Exodus 19:5 itself said “if you obey.” Did Israel obey? No. They broke it countless times — and the Bible is full of God rebuking them and threatening to reject them (Deut. 31:16-17, Jeremiah 7:29, Hosea 1:9). How can you twist a conditional covenant into an eternal guarantee?

The Israelites as a nation failed but there are many among them who followed God's guidance and what God required of Israel was never obeyed by any other nation until Jesus started a group called Christians so in what way was Muhammad chosen?

JimRohn:
3️⃣ Your “everlasting covenant” argument backfires.
God called the Sabbath covenant “everlasting” (Exodus 31:16). He called the Levitical priesthood “everlasting” (Exodus 40:15). Yet Christians themselves don’t keep either. “Everlasting” in the Bible means enduring for God’s purpose — not necessarily eternal. So your whole Isaac-only claim collapses.

Both remains everlasting but you are the one misconstruing the whole thing.
How? Sabbath was established for a purpose which means there must be a day of rest for those working under us {Exodus 23:12} Levites were to keep the pure worship as there duty forever. That doesn't mean when the nation of Israel lost their glory pure worship ends Christianity replaced what the Levites were doing and today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are carrying pure worship to all the nations on earth. What is the purpose of pure worship? It's not about hitting your head on the floor for no just reason rather it's to unite people of all the nations as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers that Islam can never ever achieve because Muhammad is fake!

JimRohn:
4️⃣ The Bible itself testifies prophecy is not chained to Israel.
Jonah was sent to Nineveh, outside Israel.
Balaam was not even an Israelite, yet called a prophet in Numbers 22–24.
Job (a non-Israelite) is treated as a prophet (Job 1:1, James 5:11).
Melchizedek (Genesis 14, Hebrews 7) was a priest of God Most High — yet not from Israel.
So prophecy clearly exists outside Jacob’s bloodline, and you can’t erase that.

You keep repeating this after i've told you that God's promise to Israel began after the nation settled on the promise land. No prophet was sent to deliver any message after that Balaam wasn't a prophet of God but had some knowledge about God due to the fact that his ancestors lived near Abraham so he knew certain things about the true God not that God is using him as a prophet it's like a Ṣàngó priest whose great grandparents were Muslims surely he will have some knowledge about your Allah but can he be right called a Muslim for the knowledge he has? NO!

JimRohn:
5️⃣ You ask “when did God change it?” — the Bible answers you.
Isaiah 42:6–7 — a Servant who will be “a light to the nations.”
Malachi 1:11 — “From the rising of the sun to its setting, My name will be great among the nations.”
Deuteronomy 18:18 — “I will raise them a prophet like you from among their brothers.” “Brothers” of Israel = Ishmaelites.

All these points to Jesus (Israelite) Deuteronomy said among their brothers and we all know that Israelites don't even regard the children of Esau who had the same father and mother with Jacob their father as their brothers rather it's only the twelve tribes from Jacob they regards as their brothers. So how come muhammad who is far from it claimed he is a brother to Israelites?

JimRohn:
That is the shift you are blind to. God Himself foretold universal guidance, not ethnic monopoly.

📌 Bottom line:
You’re clinging to Genesis 17 like a drowning man clings to straw — but it only proves God blessed both lines of Abraham. Isaac’s line received a covenant of land; Ishmael’s line was promised greatness and a nation. The Bible itself shows prophets outside Jacob’s bloodline, and your “Israel-only” theory is shredded by your own scripture.

So answer this: Was Balaam a prophet or not? Was Job a prophet or not? Was Melchizedek a priest of God or not? If yes, then your claim is dead. If no, then you’re contradicting your own Bible.

Guy after Christianity was commissioned anyone who speaks in the name of the Bible God is a prophet of that God but not a major prophet who is going to establish any other form of worship apart from Christianity.
So your muhammad is fake!
You don't even care to ask why God established worship and wanted all the nations to be involved all you are blindly chanting is Prophet and Worship!

oridavid:
All this depends on your understanding though. If you understand that fruitfulness is childbearing, there's no way convince you but if you see fruitfulness the way christ saw it, you won't think it's children bearing.

This is funny!

Well nobody needs Jesus if Adam didn't sin he is the father not Jesus but the whole thing changed because through Adam we inherited sin {Romans 5:12} that's why we need the sacrifice of a person human to redeem us from Adamic sin.

So Jesus wasn't created to be human that is why bearing children is not his calling.

As regards child bearing Adam and Eve decided to procreate after they heard God declared death sentence on them if any couple knew they can live forever they won't think of bearing any child in the next 1,000 years in fact they will love to continue playing like love birds as long as they can!

My guy you talk too much.
Just pick one point at a time don't worry yourself i only read few words.
If God chose the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob it's understandable that these people are patriarchs before God promised to stick to that family line.
Regarding Ishmael we found this in the Bible.
Abraham said to God:

“O that Ishʹma·el might live before you!” Genesis 17:18

God responded:

“Your wife Sarah will definitely bear you a son, and you must name him Isaac. And I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant to his offspring after him.  But as regards Ishʹma·el, I have heard you. Look! I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him very, very much. He will produce 12 chieftains, and I will make him become a great nation. However, I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this appointed time next year.” Genesis 17:19-21

So the promise of prophethood belongs only to the descendants of Isaac which God later transferred to Jacob. Exodus 19:5

Now answer me when did God change it to start using the descendants of Ishmael talkless Muhammad?

JimRohn:
You keep waving Genesis 12 and Exodus 19 like they prove your point — but they don’t. Let’s break it down clearly:

1️⃣ Genesis 12 is about Abraham, not exclusivity.
God promised Abraham that “all nations will be blessed through you.” (Genesis 12:3). That’s the exact opposite of your tribalism. It means God’s plan was always universal, not locked into one bloodline forever.

2️⃣ Exodus 19:5 is conditional, not eternal.
God told Israel: “IF you obey My voice and keep My covenant, THEN you shall be My treasured possession.” That’s conditional. And what happened? They broke it again and again — worshipping the golden calf, idols of Baal, even sacrificing children (Jeremiah 7:31). A conditional covenant that is broken cannot be twisted into an eternal monopoly.

3️⃣ Your claim of ‘no prophet outside Israel after Canaan’ is flat-out false.

Jonah (an Israelite) was sent outside Israel to Nineveh (Assyria) long after Israel settled in Canaan.

Elijah and Elisha (post-Canaan) ministered directly to Gentiles in Sidon and Syria.

Jesus Himself reminded you of this in Luke 4:25–27, proving God sent prophets beyond Israel.

Are you calling Jonah and Elijah illegitimate? Are you calling Jesus a liar for pointing this out?

4️⃣ Your demand “let God send my own tribe their own prophet” exposes your arrogance.
You are dictating terms to the Almighty. Who are you to tell God how He must send guidance? The Bible says clearly: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” (Exodus 33:19, Romans 9:15). God owes no tribe their “own prophet.” He sends whom He wills, where He wills.

5️⃣ Universal prophecy was foretold — and fulfilled.
Isaiah 42 speaks of a Servant who will bring God’s law to the nations, not just Israel. Malachi 1:11 says God’s name will be worshipped in every nation. Muhammad ﷺ fits this exactly. That’s why his message spread across every continent, while Israel’s exclusivity collapsed under disobedience.

📌 Bottom line:
Genesis 12 and Exodus 19 don’t help you — they destroy you. They show God’s covenant was conditional and His plan was universal. Your “Israel-only” doctrine is not in the Bible — it contradicts the Bible. The record of Jonah, Elijah, Elisha, Jesus, and the Prophets proves you wrong.

So either you accept that God can and did send guidance beyond Israel — or you reject your own scripture to cling to bias. Which is it?

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28
This is what God told Adam and Eve after creating them so God wants them to procreate!

JimRohn:
You keep chanting the same line without proof — but repetition doesn’t turn falsehood into truth.

Read Genesis 12:1-4
Exodus 19:5

It's only the descendants of Jacob that were called after they settled in the land of Canaan, if you want to prove that God can use anyone OK then let God send my own tribe to me because your Muhammad can't mention any prophet that came from any other race apart from Israel so for squeezing himself into the line of prophets is unacceptable because there is no correlation!
Is there any prophet from any other race after God chose Israel as His people? Exodus 19:5
NO!

After Jacob's descendants settled down in Canaan God doesn't call any prophet from any other nation.
Think about that first!

JimRohn:
Nice attempt to dress bias in “patience.” But your reasoning still collapses. Let’s be clear:

1️⃣ You’re contradicting the Bible’s own record.

Jonah was after Israel was in the land — yet sent to Nineveh, a non-Israelite nation. By your standard, Jonah’s entire mission was illegitimate. Are you calling Jonah fake?

Elijah and Elisha operated in Israel’s land era — yet God directed them to Sidon and Syria. Was God breaking His own rule? Or is it your rule that’s broken?

2️⃣ Your demand that every nation must get a prophet from their own ethnicity is absurd and unbiblical.
By that logic:

Egyptians should have had their own prophet. They didn’t — God sent Moses (an Israelite) to them.

Ninevites should have had an Assyrian prophet. They didn’t — they got Jonah (an Israelite).

Syrians should have had their own prophet. They didn’t — they got Elisha (an Israelite).

God has never operated by your “every nation, their own prophet” formula. He sends whom He wills, to whom He wills. Your idea ties God’s hands — the Bible itself proves He doesn’t work that way.

3️⃣ Your theology actually insults God.
By saying “God must send a prophet from my nation,” you’re dictating terms to the Almighty. That’s arrogance. God doesn’t owe you a prophet from your tribe. He chooses, and humanity obeys. Limiting Him to your ethnic preference is not humility, it’s pride.

4️⃣ Universality is the final stage of revelation.
Even your Bible foresaw it: Isaiah 42 describes a Servant who brings God’s law to all nations. That’s not tribal. That’s universal. Muhammad ﷺ fits that perfectly — his message transcended ethnicity and geography. That’s why it spread across the globe, while Israel’s covenant failed through disobedience.

📌 Bottom line:
Your argument is a moving target. First “only Jacob’s line,” then “only after Abraham,” now “only Israel after Canaan,” and finally “each nation must get their own prophet.” That’s not truth — that’s desperation. The record of Scripture and history is clear: God is free to send universal guidance, and Muhammad ﷺ is exactly that.

So stop hiding behind excuses. If Jonah could be sent across nations, why not Muhammad ﷺ? Unless your real issue is not logic or scripture — but pride.

You need to be patient my guy.

I was a Muslim like you and i know how aggressive i was back then so calm down and let's reason intelligently not rushing things.

No prophet was called outside Israel after God settled the Israelites as a nation.

So Muhammadu can't be a prophet of the same God unless he is sent only to his own nation not the world. If you say God is not partial i agree so He (God) must send a prophet who is from my own nation to me no longer anyone from another nation.

Do you get it now?

JimRohn:
You keep shifting the goalpost because your claim collapses under Scripture. First you said “all prophets must be from Jacob’s line.” When shown Job, Balaam, and Melchizedek, you moved it. Then you said “no prophet after Abraham outside Israel.” When shown Jonah, you shifted again. Now you’ve narrowed it further to “after Canaan.” That’s not reasoning — that’s running.

Let’s dismantle it:

1️⃣ Your Exodus 19:5 citation doesn’t support your claim.
God calling Israel His “special people” doesn’t mean He is bound to them forever. That covenant was conditional: “IF you obey My voice.” Israel broke it repeatedly, chasing idols (see Judges, Kings, Hosea, Jeremiah). A conditional covenant does not bind God from sending messengers elsewhere.

2️⃣ Prophets still engaged with Gentiles after Israel was in Canaan.

Jonah (long after Israel was in the land) was sent specifically to Assyria — not an Israelite nation.

Elijah and Elisha (operating after Israel was firmly in the land) ministered to Sidon and Syria.

If God never called a prophet to another nation post-Canaan, then Jonah’s entire mission is a contradiction to your theology.

3️⃣ Even Jesus broke your “Israel-only” box.
He praised the faith of the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:28), healed the servant of a Roman centurion (Matthew 8:10), and explicitly said God’s prophets were not limited to Israel (Luke 4:25–27). By your logic, Jesus Himself broke “God’s promise” by extending blessings outside Israel.

4️⃣ The Bible itself prophesies universal guidance.
Isaiah 42 speaks of a coming servant who will bring God’s law to the nations and be “a light to the Gentiles.” That is not a tribal, Israel-only figure. That’s universality — perfectly matching Muhammad ﷺ, not your ethnic exclusivity.

📌 Bottom line:
You are cornered by your own Book. Every time your claim is dismantled, you shrink it further to protect your bias. But Scripture is clear: God is not bound by tribalism, and He has always sent His message where He wills. Limiting God’s sovereignty to Israel is an insult to Him.

Muhammad ﷺ is not “fake” — he is the fulfillment of that universal promise: the final prophet to all nations. What’s fake is trying to twist the Bible into an Israel-only contract, when the text itself smashes that claim.

What a long thread!

LordReed:
And he still doesn't get it. LoLz.

Of course he surrendered!

DeepSight:
LordReed: I rise.
Case closed.

This is what Jehovah says: “Let not the wise man boast about his wisdom; Let not the mighty man boast about his mightiness; And let not the rich man boast about his riches.”  “But let the one BOASTING BOAST about this: That he has insight and knowledge of me, That I am Jehovah, the One showing loyal love, justice, and righteousness in the earth, For in these things I take delight,” declares Jehovah. Jeremiah 9:23-24
Thanks for your time!

@ DeepSight
Jehovah's Witnesses are not boastful in any way but when it comes to qualities that belongs to us we must boast before everyone that such qualifies belongs only to our family it's like seeing someone who claims he or she owns something that you are sure belongs only to your family yet the person said he is not a member of your family.
Surely you will not take it, will you?

DeepSight:
Are there humble people who reject being Jehovh's Witnesses?

Never!
You can never ever find one!