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DeepSight:
In short, if you are not a Jehovah's Witness, you lack humility.

Exactly!
That's the quality our God commanded us to search for in all the people we meet {Luke 10:6} in fact we are asked to make such a person one of us {Luke 10:7} so if you claim to be humble and you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses i will prove you wrong because that quality belongs only to worshipers of my own God who must inherit the earth when all evildoers has been destroyed! Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11

LordReed:
If you have to boast about being humble then you aren't humble. LoLz.

I worship a JEALOUS GOD {Exodus 34:14} so His worshipers are jealous of qualities that belongs only to us. Ephesians 5:1

Steep:
It is you that cannot tell the difference according to grok the trinity was a doctrine that was derived from the activity of God ( meaning his activity as father Son and Holy Spirit) in the bible so in other words grok actually could analyze that God acts in three distinct persons.
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

Excellent!

Moses who served as God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} and Jesus of Nazareth who served as God in first century Judea {John 1:1} both said:

“‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Mark 12:29; Deuteronomy 6:4

Ọmọ go on jàre you sabi God pas the two of them join together!

Who are those having the Holy Spirit?

This question will surely confuse anyone who feels supernatural acts must always occur in the gathering of worshipers of the true God whereas that is not always the case.

Another thing we shouldn't forget is that all humans are born imperfect (sinners) so we are incapable of exhibiting qualities of God's holy spirit in a perfect sense {Romans 3:23} one way or another we will certainly commit one blunder or another that is obvious to all observers {James 3:2; 1John 1:8 compare to Proverbs 20:9} so what is the evidence that God's holy spirit is working with/in us?

First of all we must be humble and ready to accept counsel as fellow worshipers of the same God since we are all equal before God the same law guides us all.

[b]For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity. Proverbs 24:16

So when we commit a blunder there is a body of fellow believers who will help us to regain our stand! James 5:14-15

What quality will help us to humbly welcome such discipline?

Humility! Galatians 5:23

When supernatural events occur should we always think it's from a good source?

NO! Rather we should consider the nine qualities of God's holy spirit if they are resulting from such acts {Matthew 7:15-23} because demons knew very well that most people are easily carried away with supernatural acts as quick solution to problemsfacing them.

How does the Holy Spirit works?

God is the one who uses holy spirit to accomplish His purposes just as we use different parts of our bodies to do many different things. For instance Moses's rod turned to a snake and the Egyptian magicians did the same thing.

Wait a minute, did the Bible say magicians also did the same thing?

So what is behind Moses's supernatural act and what is behind the acts of Egypt's magicians?

God's holy spirit brought life into that rod that's the work of holy spirit but the as for the Egyptians their rods are the works of fallen angels opposing Jehovah the God of Israel that's why Moses's rod swallowed theirs.

This means many supernatural acts God uses His holy spirit to do demons can do exactly the same thing because they are powerful supernatural beings but there remains some things demons are incapable of doing.

Let's see the qualities of God's holy spirit as recorded in the Bible:

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS , SELF-CONTROL. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

Demons can never ever come up with these qualifies!

LordReed:
Yet it was you who first broke your word to not quote me again. Go figure. LMAO!
BTW you are the one distracting yourself with useless lies. Bwahahahahahaha!

Lies that you said something that i was able to quote here!

LordReed:
One thing is for sure, this is not an honest interlocutor we are talking about. Lies come too easily and too obviously to him. And useless lies for that matter.

So he should end the discussion, right?

Exactly what i said when you cut into the discussion without being invited.

Clap for yourself!

LordReed:
Quote where I denied it. LoLz.
I asked you to quote it so that you can show everybody how much of a liar you are because I know you will twist the words into what it is not. Is it not clear that there was nothing about riches or wealth in the conversation but a runaway master like you will not admit rather you will pretend and runaway. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

I'm not interested in you because you're not the type we are sent to look for so trying to engage me in any discussion won't work.

DeepSight:
This kind of thing is very worrisome. Is it that I am sometimes too patient? Because I dont know what level of intellect I am dealing with in which someone will say he doesnt recognize or understand sarcarsm and be asking "but you asked for it." I tire oh.

Are you talking about intellect?
It's funny how you failed to realize that this guy is just trying to cause a distraction!

On this thread i told him that real disciples of Christ don't believe in worldly riches because that's not what success in faith really mean and he said i should go and say that to religious leaders riding private jets.
So i told him that he's not humble because that's how he asked me to make him Governing Body believing that's the highest rank in JW and since the organization is rich he feels members of the Governing Body are also rich materially speaking.
That's why i quoted Jesus saying it's out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth spreaks! Luke 6:45

Well i think i've made my point you can't be a humble person outside Jehovah's Witnesses Organization because that's the quality Jesus asked us to look for in everyone we meet so try to retrieve that statement that you are humble that's all i want you to know!

Toruibestate:
Very true because the way life is..
You mean we came down from heaven just to fight to enter heaven again.
Very weird.

Has this always been your opinion?
If not when did you start having this thought?

Image123:
i was not thinking that he asked, i was thinking of how laughable it'd be for the other fellow to believe such.

A wise man once said:

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks! Luke 6:45

Whatever makes a man continue arguing persistently saying his Creator doesn't exist something is right there in his heart so when such a person now ask for the highlighted office among the worshipers of God then there is nothing to hide anymore. He doesn't want to queue behind anyone rather he wants to be in the front seat. Luke 14:7-11

So i believe that's what is hidden in his heart call it SARCASM or anything you want LordReed is not a humble person so whenever believers are talking he sees those who aren't leading as f00ls.

Who is the liar here ?
I said you asked for something and you denied it only for you to start hiding behind SARCASM.
Did you ask for it or not?
Please i don't have your time i'm busy now proving that it's only people who agreed to become Jehovah's Witnesses after studying the Bible with us are humble people!

LordReed:
Why do you lie so blatantly? Quote any part of that conversation that was about riches. I even reposted the conversation on here for all to see and yet you lie about what people can see with their korokoro eyes. Damn!

LordReed:
Good luck with that. LoLz.

You got me wrong!

What i said is after God chose Abraham as the man through whose descendants He (God) will reveal the way to salvation no prophet was called outside Israel.

Do you get it now?

JimRohn:
You’ve just exposed the weakness of your reasoning. Let’s analyze your two points carefully:

1️⃣ “All prophets must be descendants of Jacob.”
That’s factually wrong by your own Bible.

Job was not an Israelite, yet considered a prophet (Job 1:1, James 5:11).

Melchizedek was not from Israel yet called “priest of the Most High God” (Genesis 14:18).

Balaam was not an Israelite, yet he received revelation (Numbers 22:18).
Even Jesus Himself said: “There were many widows in Israel… yet Elijah was sent to none of them, except to a widow in Zarephath in Sidon” (Luke 4:25–26). Meaning God’s guidance was never confined to Israel.

So your “Jacob-only” rule is an invention, not a biblical truth.

2️⃣ “God only sends prophets to people already in tune with His law.”
Again, false. The people of Nineveh, to whom Jonah was sent, were pagans with no knowledge of Israel’s law (Jonah 1:2). Yet God sent them a prophet, and they repented. Abraham himself was raised among idolaters (Joshua 24:2), yet God chose him and made him the patriarch of monotheism.

So history shows the opposite of your claim: God raises prophets especially in lands drowned in idolatry, to restore His worship. Arabia in the 7th century was exactly that.

3️⃣ Muhammad ﷺ Fits the Pattern Perfectly.

He came to a people steeped in idol worship, and through him, Arabia abandoned 360 idols for the One God of Abraham.

His message was not “strange,” but the same call as every prophet: “Worship God alone.” (Qur’an 21:25).

His law brought clarity, order, and guidance — fulfilling the same divine purpose as Moses’ Torah.

📌 Bottom line: Limiting God’s messengers to one ethnicity insults His sovereignty and mercy. The God of Abraham is not the God of one tribe; He is the God of all nations. Muhammad ﷺ stands as the final prophet, not because of lineage, but because of truth, guidance, and the universality of his mission.

LordReed:
Damn dude! You have been journeying long man.

At least you can see that he was truly interested in his search for God the only thing i know for sure is that there is no humble person who studied with Jehovah's Witnesses and turn his or her back on getting baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
So i'm here to prove him wrong on that statement that he is humble!

DeepSight:
LordReed was being sarcastic for heavens sake.

Sarcasm may seem like a joke to you but when it involves a serious matter nobody will believe you.

‬
“You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. ‭Exodus 20:7 NIV


Imagine someone in Israel jokingly use the name of their God. Do you think anyone could save such a person from being killed claiming the utterance was a SARCASM?

We were discussing a very serious matter and this guy kept claiming all the religious leaders are interested in riches and in the process of proving it's not so with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses he said "make me GB first" and here you are claiming it was sarcasm.

Well whether it was sarcasm to you or not i have quoted his comment asking me to make him Governing Body!

Are you now convinced that Jesus Christ and his first century disciples believe in shunning whoever turns against what the group believes?

Next question should be what practical sense is in SHUNNING people whom you once loved so much?

DeepSight:
Nope.
Stop being so sentimental.
Go on.
As for shunning, I am not convinced and I will reply.

I'm not bothered whether you are convinced or not my point is Jesus Christ taught us to shun whoever disagrees with what the whole association of brothers agreed upon.
So what i want to know now is what you have to say about Jesus being the one who initiated it not whether what he said makes sense to you!

DeepSight:
I swear, it left me feeling cold as if there was winter in my room.
So dont be too surprised at Max.

So let's just say you are through with our discussion!

After the call of Abraham all the prophets in the Bible are descendants of Jacob (Israel)
WHY?
Because God uses prophet to guide His worshipers from generation to generation so what they are writing must correlate and in chronological order.
So since Muhammad is not a descendant of Jacob he can't be a prophet of the God of Israel.
Secondly God always pick His prophet in the midst of people who are already in tune with His messages so the message won't be strange to them. Saudi Arabia doesn't have God's laws so what exactly has Muhammad gotten to tell people who don't know the laws of Israelite God?

JimRohn:
You’re already slipping into contradiction. On one hand, you said Muhammad ﷺ is not a prophet “according to the Bible.” On the other hand, now that I’ve shown you clear biblical standards that fit him, you suddenly want to suspend both the Bible and Qur’an and use “common sense.” That’s not consistency — that’s retreat.

1️⃣ The Bible Was Your Own Standard
It was you who invoked the Bible as the measuring stick. I simply held you to it. If Muhammad ﷺ does not meet your definition, then show me the verse that disqualifies him. If you cannot, then abandoning the Bible and running to “common sense” only proves your point had no weight to begin with.

2️⃣ Common Sense Actually Strengthens Islam
Even if we put the scriptures aside for a moment, common sense tells us:

God is One, absolute, not divided into “persons.”

A prophet is someone who restores clarity, warns against corruption, and delivers revelation.

Muhammad ﷺ accomplished this on a global scale unmatched in history.

By contrast, common sense does not accept a God who prays to Himself, dies at the hands of His creation, or requires blood sacrifice to forgive. That is theology by confusion, not by reason.

3️⃣ Your Tactic Exposes the Weakness of the Trinity
Notice something: I can defend Muhammad ﷺ using the Qur’an, the Bible, and common sense. You can only attack him by abandoning one source after another whenever it doesn’t favor you. That is exactly how Trinitarianism survives — constant shifting, never consistency.

Bottom Line:
If you want to “tour this journey,” then we need consistency. Either we measure prophets by the Bible (in which case Muhammad ﷺ qualifies), or by common sense (in which case the Trinity collapses). What you cannot do is keep changing standards every time your argument fails. Truth stands firm. Evasion shifts.

DeepSight:
Mgbo, LordReed, they say you destest humility?
Come on, he was being sarcastic.
Remember also that its not just wealth, there is power over other people.

You need to be careful of the highlighted!

Among Jehovah's Witnesses whoever is yearning for power can not last among us! Mark 9:35

This is true Christianity not falsehood!

DeepSight:
It is truly worrisome that it could be interpreted otherwise even with the hint of laughter you added. Worrisome. Very worrisome.
Just look at these words -
What is this for heavens sake? ? ?

This means you weren't following what is going on between myself and LordReed.

He equated what Jehovah's Witnesses teaches to other religions claiming they are SUCCESSFUL and i explained that the Bible God has explained what real success is from His own angle but the atheist kept arguing that worshipers of Mammon claiming pastors are equally blessed that's why i told him not to disturb me with his unbelief i am only interested in you because you claim to be humble something LordReed detests.

In his comment i quoted he was arguing about the same thing back then which is worldly riches, he was asking how much the Governing Body members are been paid then he said i should make him a Governing Body.

So the intention of his heart is clear all he wants is riches not righteousness!

DeepSight:
Where did he teach that please.

Please read:

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector. Matthew 18:15-17

With the above Jesus set the standard for orderliness among his disciples so whoever rejects counsel that's governing the entire association of Christians should be SHUNNED just as Jews does to tax collectors in their midst.

That's what Paul repeated to people who wants to join the Christian family in all other nations:

"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them" Romans 16:17

Apostle John also said:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 2John 1:10

Regarding this same matter Jude wrote:

“In the last time there will be ridiculers, following their own desires for ungodly things.” These are the ones who cause divisions, animalistic men, not having spirituality Jude 1:18-19

So SHUNNING is the punishment Jesus himself introduced among believers this will help us to know those who are still keeping that quality (humility) and those who are no longer interested.

In the days of Moses God led the nation from Egypt to the land of Canaan but instead of spending 40 days they spent 40 years! Please would you have remained in their company humbly taking instructions from Moses who led them on a journey that supposed to last just 40 days for 40 years?

Well that's what humility really means!

DeepSight:
Are you saying humans cannot dissect issues the way they do? Humans do that all the time.
Besides the GB has been wrong and revised itself several times.

Let's look at the way the Bible God led His worshipers in the past.

Throughout the whole world people were worshiping in different ways and they all believed that there is a Creator whom they are worshiping from their own thinking but the true God arranged for a nation to serve as example to others. This nation (Israel) was led by a man named Moses who committed a lot of blunders yet whoever speaks against Moses this Bible God will not forgive.

WHY?

Because He doesn't support disorder so we must all humbly follow the guidance He provided through imperfect humans that He is using if we are truly humble!

DeepSight:
No problem there.
What about shunning.
How can you ask someone to shun their own family? Would Christ do that?

The highlighted shows you really need to know the person called "Christ" by studying his words diligently not just listening to what people say about him.

For your information it's Jesus Christ himself that taught us to shun anyone who refuses to agree with whatever the organization agrees upon!

DeepSight:
Reference the books - "Life - how did it get here - by evolution or creation" - was also a great work. It devled deep into science and made serious and worthy arguments.

The group making those books are called Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses if you don't know what they stands for we won't bother arguing with you because they are the only channel the true God is using to dispense spiritual food today.
So when some people speaks of what is found in the publications they produced yet concluded they are just mere humans we laugh at such people.

DeepSight:
Let us discuss.
As a teenager, I veered towards becoming a Jehovah's Witness. I was introduced to their literature by my late father. He wasnt one, but liked the literature. There is literally none of the major literature I have not read and digested, from "Mankind's Search for God" (my favorite) to "Reasoning from the Scriptures," . . . "You can Live forever in paradise on Earth." . . . "Questions Young People Ask (and how to answer them)" . . . .Too many to mention along with the regular "Awake!" and "The Watchtower" magazines.

I was at a point completely convinced of the intergrity and scriptural accuracy of the Jehovah's witnesses. Aside from the dedication to scripture and repudiation of a lot of false and pagan doctrines (Trinity, Hell Fire as well as pagan celebrations such as Easter and Christmas) they had a genuinely humble, simple and endearing style and approach. They were always welcome for Bible Study in our homes and I had already begun looking at which Kingdom Halls I would prefer to worship with.
The things that began to make me drift away were actually simple enough. Such as the blood transfuson issue. Up till today, from a scriptura (and I dare say even spiritual angle) I believe that the JW approach is coherent - as they often said, if the doctor asks you not to drink alcohol, you should not then take it intravenously. So since scipture says dont eat blood, then you should not take it intravenously either. On the spiritual side, the Bible itself says "the life is in the blood" and I also imagine that mixing blood could mix certain magnetic and spiritial vibrations personal to individuals.
Nonetheless I wondered at a point what sort of rigidity could lead the JW to prefer the death of even their children to a blood transfusion. Frankly this was my first hesitation.
Others came with time and were not limited to the views of JWs but rather to my growing questioning of the nature of reality, God and life. I became generally irreligious and began to see God as an impersonal existential force. In later life, the practice of shunning is something I came to understand and detest with JWs. I still find it very cult-like and unchristian.
So there you are. Over to you.

Blood Transfusion and Shunning.

Let's discuss reasonably on the issue of blood transfusion.
Nobody wants to die or loose their love ones so any right thinking person would feel something is wrong when obedient to a rule could mean the death of his or her love one.
But let's look at the matter from another angle.

The Bible God said:


This is what the Lord says— your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: “I am the Lord your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go. If only you had paid attention to my commands, your peace would have been like a river, your well-being like the waves of the sea. ‭Isaiah 48:17-18 NIV‬


Of course humans have developed ways of handling health issues but servants of the true God don't undermine whatever God says when it comes to our health.
Intake of blood was condemned in the Bible in ancient times {Genesis 9:4} we thought it's just about a religious rite but it was repeated after Christianity was established in a more unique form:

For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things:  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” Act 15:28-29

Jehovah wants His Witnesses to become many, Satan will be put to shame when many are becoming peace lovers from different nations throughout the world {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} so He wouldn't want us to die but then we need to remember that when it comes to the knowledge about sound health out Creator knows best. If some health personnels discovered an easy way to treat people it's a welcome development but if such will later lead to more trouble then we will rather stick to what our God said.
Blood Transfusion was introduced not as the best way to treat patients but just another experiment by scientists and there are options not that it the only way out.
Another thing many heath personnels have discovered is that blood transfusion is leading to more deadlier issues in fact many more diseases are coming up since the introduction of blood transfusion.
Today many health professionals are now thanking Jehovah's Witnesses for our firm stand on the matter because they now have lots of alternative form of treatment instead of blood transfusion and they are safer.
So it's not about blind faith but what we all need to do to make this planet safe from deadly diseases emerging from the experiments carried out by imperfect humans!

DeepSight:
You mean the sarcasm missed you?
Na wah oh.

You called it SARCASM but according to a wise man it's out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks! Luke 6:45

From what you utter we know the type of person you really are on the inside.

You claim you're humble that's why i engaged you, he is interrupting what we are saying not because he has anything tangible to offer that's why i reminded him of his wish something he has in mind when he was going to the churches: worldly riches not righteousness!

LordReed:
LoLz. You've started again. Where did I ask you to help me become a member of the Governing Body?

LordReed:
So make me a GB member first let the god be doing his own thing. LMFAO!

This is what you (LordReed) typed with your own fingers on October 27/2021 at exactly 5:22pm begging me to make you a member of the Governing Body because you want prominence among faithful people thinking it's all about gathering material possessions.

So from that very moment i know you can't be among faithful people because humility is what God cherish! Zephaniah 2:2-3

DoctorStanley:
It is not necessary in this case I don't robotically and confusedly quote the Bible like you. I quote the Bible when necessary.

And i only reason with what is written in the scriptures not just arguing without the use of scriptures!

DoctorStanley:
Why are JW so stubborn? How can you say that whenever a miracle is performed angels are involved?? Even non-believers performed miracles in Jesus's name if they had enough faith - "your faith has set you free". Demons tremble at the mere mention of his name and he told them to leave a person and they promptly obeyed - no angels involved!

Guy quote scriptures not just arguing if you know the application of what is found written in the Bible!

sonmvayina:
You did not answer it.
please try. humor me

Answer who?

Guy abeg Waka pass my side jàre i don't have your time!

DoctorStanley:
When angels participate in anything in the Bible they are mentioned.

For he will give his angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways. They will carry you on their hands, So that you may not strike your foot against a stone. Psalms 91:11-12

and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’ Matthew 4:6

Did Jesus deny getting help from angels?

NO!

Jesus even said:

“My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” John 18:36

"Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels?" Matthew 26:53

Are angels mentioned as helpers in connection with Jesus?

YES!

Which religion is practicing Christianity?

The title of your thread says:
"Christianity is the only religion of peace"
According to the Bible there must be a religion during the last days that will do something strange:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
‭Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
NIV‬

So according to God's word a religion will surface in the last days this religion will gather people in millions from different nations throughout the world they will study God's word together as if they are one family and they will put what they learned into practice and the result they will:

Use Bible to judge among themselves so as to resolve all disputes.
Stop the production, buying, selling and using of weapons.
Divert their resources into production of food and information materials.
No longer join unbelievers in wars or any form of killings.
No longer learn war.

So when Jesus walked the earth he began gathering people and teaching them how to fulfill what Isaiah and Micah prophesied about, it wasn't easy for Jews who are arrogant in nature that is why only few people believed Jesus in his country because what he taught was really difficult to put into practice.

Even his disciples who had spent years following him up and down learning from him were still arrogantly expecting Jesus to tell them when the Jewish nation will rule the world. They asked him:


“Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” ‭Acts 1:6 NIV‬

Jesus responded:

“It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” ‭‭Acts 1:7-8 NIV‬

So according to Jesus true believers will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers as WITNESSES of the fact that the Prince of Peace has taught them how to fulfill the prophecy found in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3

Please which religion is fulfilling this today?