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lawani:
Since people started using holy books instead of divination to know the will of God, what we have had are wars over God because interpretation of the book will differ. If a book can not be questioned that is a dangerous book. If President Putin and President Zelensky are fighting a holy war then it can never be resolved. Thank God they are fighting over territory. People have always fought over territory. Religion is a new reason to fight wars which never existed before holy books.
Whatever you say, it is better to rely on divination than on holy books which simple google will tell you is unreliable. Type contradictions in the Bible into google and see.
Even from your spirit, you can get wrong messages if you apply too much pressure and are over inquisitive. How much more when you subject yourself to a book you say can not be peer reviewed?. Nothing is more foolish.
However it is only something that is peer reviewed that can be accepted by the academic community and the whole world not your Bible

We aren't bothered if you don't accept our book but one thing is certain it's only adherents of our book that's making peace globally while all of you are fighting and killing one another for reasons best known to you! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

lawani:
If you really know how to contact your spirit, your spirit will confirm everything I have said. The problem we have in the world is that people no longer commune with their spirits as it used to be. They now rely on holy books.

It's an evil thing to be spiritually blind and deaf at the same time.

Now let me enlighten you why what you are saying makes no practical sense.

Imagine the only religion that promotes orderliness and unity in thoughts: Jehovah's Witnesses Organization as we bow to the arrangement set by Jesus all of us globally do things humbly with love, joy and peace {Galatians 5:22} so that whoever is with us can never ever pick up weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 26:52

Now to your idea where each person is listening to his/her own minds (spirit) Vladimir Putin is listening to his own spirit, Volodymyr Zelenskyy is listening to his own spirit and they are in control of thousands carrying weapons it led to war.

Had it been all of us subject ourselves to the same line of thought as promoted by Jesus {John 17:22} and his Apostles {Act 2:42; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8} how can two individuals who have subjected themselves to Jesus believe in fighting and killings to resolve issues? Matthew 5:38-40

So we know that it's the same spirit that is blinding all of you even though you people are using different names to promote your me-first ideology claiming it's ifá/holy ghost that's speaking to each of you! 2Corinthians 4:4

lawani:
Other than knowing the basics of Hinduism, I have not studied it into depths. I know however of the belief in reincarnation but what I am saying are what I got by thoroughly interviewing my spirit with IFA divination. However most human cultures believe in reincarnation in one form or the other before religion came to upend the decorum. IFA just confirmed and explained it to me.

Don't worry each person will contact his or her spirit whether ifá or holy ghost and come up with different lamba!

lawani:
IFA told me that even Jesus still helps people when they call on him.

Jesus can't help anyone from where he is the only thing Jesus does from heaven is to join his disciples when they are deliberating on the work he assigned to them regarding that he said:

“Truly I say to you, whatever things you may bind on earth will be things already bound in heaven, and whatever things you may loosen on earth will be things already loosened in heaven. Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:18-20

So it's when they gather to deliberate on how to carry out what Jesus assigned to them that's what brought them together with Jesus but for private needs each disciple must pray directly to our Father and God {Matthew 6:9} who is God and father to both Jesus and all his disciples {John 20:17} but we must pray to God in the name of His only begotten Son who connected us back to our Father and God!

Where most people gets confused is when Jesus said:

Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?  Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works. Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe because of the works themselves. Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.  Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son.  If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. John 14:9-14

The last statement is what confused them because Jesus is the messenger of God who loves humans the most {Daniel 12:1-3} so he is the angel that's standing for the salvation of God's people therefore when we pray to God regarding our ministry Jesus is the same person God will send to come and assist us. That doesn't mean he is the one we are praying to it's his father who will give him the order to start acting that we are praying to! Psalms 110:1-2

lawani:
Light spirits (Spirits with no incarnation can die through human actions). They usually die while helping human beings while heavy spirits only die when they drop from the last empathy rank by debate loss or by doing evil.

So your own ifá is related to Hinduism?

And you want to convince educated ones on Nairaland using Hinduism and claiming it's ifá.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself you can only make sense to people who don't have any idea about ifá and never read books about reincarnation or Hinduism.

There is nothing like life for dead people in heaven all dead people are in their graves awaiting resurrection and no evildoer can be among those Jesus is taking their because whoever is going to heaven must be born again.

So continue with your lamba!

lawani:
Yes if someone was bad on Earth does not mean the spirit can not help when in heaven. It is like if you have a bad parent that most people hate. They will still help you.

But i'm not related to (Ògúndábèdé) Oníkòyí nah!

lawani:
I said evil doing ends on Earth. You can't be evil in heaven. Any spirit you pray to can help you if it is still alive in heaven.

OK so it's not only on earth that people can die there is death in heaven too shey?

lawani:
Elimination from heaven happens only when you do evil or lose a debate at the lowest empathy rank. It does not happen automatically when you do any evil. For any habitual evil doer, elimination will be unavoidable in the long run but it may not be in a single life time.

So back to what your earlier statement that being evil now doesn't automatically mean you can't become a benefactor spirit saint in heaven, right?

lawani:
When you do evil you drop in empathy rank moving closer to elimination from heaven. If evil is your expertise gained from several incarnations, then there is no way you can escape elimination from heaven in the long run. When you are on an incarnation as an expert evil doer, other onlooking spirits will work hand in hand for you to lose debates and get eliminated from heaven.
If you are praying to someone whose expertise is evil, you might be praying to nothing since the person may have been eliminated from heaven

Your previous response when i asked if it's possible to be a benefactor spirit in heaven yet as a former bandit on earth.

lawani:
If you call upon him he will help you and he might even be currently incarnated. Any spirit you call upon will help you. Spirits will often help their family members or people in their lineage over others but if you call upon them based on what they did during a certain incarnation then they will help you

However evil doing ends on Earth. There is no evil doing in heaven

lawani:
There is everything bad in being evil because when you do evil you drop in empathy rank and that draws you closer to elimination from heaven. Also if you do evil often it will become your expertise and when you are incarnated other spirits will be planning for you to be eliminated through debate.
Spirits can help people with anything and it is not because they are saints. Everybody is well behaved in heaven because there is no allowance to do evil. Spirits can help you with practically anything but they often restrain themselves.
In short if you are prone to evil doing there is no way you can in the long run escape elimination from heaven

The highlighted shows you've been lying all these while because in our previous discussion you said Oníkòyí (Ògúndábèdé) is now a saint in heaven and i should pray to him for help.
So can you now correlate what you just typed up here with what you told me earlier today about being evil on earth?

Remember that Oníkòyí (Ògúndábèdé) was a renoun bandit who became rich and famous through robbery.

So go ahead i'm reading your next post!

Is there still some differences between a wealthy man and being a philanthropist?

A wealthy man invests his money to make more money while a philanthropist may be wretched yet giving all he has so if Dangote never claim to be a philanthropist there is no reason to accuse him!

Question!

MaxInDHouse:
Like what exactly did they do?
Entertainment, terrorist activity, robbery, fraud, riches, beauty and other weird things. I remember a man in the Odù known as "Oníkòyí" his ifá is called "Ògúndábèdè" he lived as a warrior and thief, according to his oríkì when leaving home he goes with a lot of treasures so that whenever he comes in contact with a warrior greater than him he negotiates with such a person but whenever there's no one to contend with him he steals and kills bringing spoils back home.
Till today Oníkòyí is remembered for his territor and robbery.
Do you agree that he is now one of the famous gods in heaven now?

Answer!

lawani:
If you call upon him he will help you and he might even be currently incarnated. Any spirit you call upon will help you. Spirits will often help their family members or people in their lineage over others but if you call upon them based on what they did during a certain incarnation then they will help you

However evil doing ends on Earth. There is no evil doing in heaven

So there is nothing bad in being evil since everyone will later become saints in heaven even though evildoers they were here on planet earth but in heaven they will become saints and be in a position to help righteous souls on earth!

Question!

MaxInDHouse:
Like what exactly did they do?
Entertainment, terrorist activity, robbery, fraud, riches, beauty and other weird things. I remember a man in the Odù known as "Oníkòyí" his ifá is called "Ògúndábèdè" he lived as a warrior and thief, according to his oríkì when leaving home he goes with a lot of treasures so that whenever he comes in contact with a warrior greater than him he negotiates with such a person but whenever there's no one to contend with him he steals and kills bringing spoils back home.
Till today Oníkòyí is remembered for his territor and robbery.
Do you agree that he is now one of the famous gods in heaven now?

Answer!

lawani:
If you call upon him he will help you and he might even be currently incarnated. Any spirit you call upon will help you. Spirits will often help their family members or people in their lineage over others but if you call upon them based on what they did during a certain incarnation then they will help you

However evil doing ends on Earth. There is no evil doing in heaven

So there is nothing bad in being evil since everyone will later become saints in heaven even though the evildoers they were here on planet earth but in heaven they will become saints and be in a position to help righteous souls on earth!

Perhaps i should remind you of Oníkòyí the criminal who according to your ifá is now a god/saint in heaven that we can now pray to for help!

lawani:
There are no villains in heaven largely because they can't hide secrets from each other and it is possible to call upon any spirit to help you. In heaven they cooperate with each other but don't have superiors like we do on Earth. Once you have paid your tax from the food you harvested on Earth you are free to do whatever you want.
Your own personal God is most important to you. It is what the Yoruba call ori. After that those interested in your progress are your ancestors. Your ancestors will help you automatically but then if you call upon any other spirit including those you mentioned they can mobilize help for you.
These are all answers I got while interviewing my own spirit with IFA. Other people can do their own research

You have amused me enough for now please continue with your ifá it's really funny to know that you have practically nothing to offer yet you keep on speaking against Christianity the only religion that makes perfect sense!

Everything you're saying is incoherent in all through yet you are so proud that you keep typing up and down the forum.

Just imagine you said normal human who loves doing the right thing should call upon dead criminals for help and you're not even remorseful about it.

Ọmọ you will be good as a standing comedian Walahi Talahi!

lawani:
If you call upon him he will help you and he might even be currently incarnated. Any spirit you call upon will help you. Spirits will often help their family members or people in their lineage over others but if you call upon them based on what they did during a certain incarnation then they will help you
However evil doing ends on Earth. There is no evil doing in heaven

OK i can call upon the spirit of a terrorist thief who became famous through evil deeds on earth but now has repented in heaven to become a saint.
Meanwhile i'm not from the lineage of Oníkòyí which means we are not related in anyway but initially you told me that it's my own spirit god in heaven that i should connect with.
You are here always complaining due to people innocently practicing different religions like Christianity and Islam as if that's evil yet the same you said Oníkòyí who is a renown terrorist and thief has suddenly become a saint in heaven that i can connect for help.
Please don't you think popular people like the Popes or Great Kings and Queens or popular people like Ayodele Babalola, SBJ Oshoffa, Mose Orimolade, Kumuyi, Adeboye, Olukoya, Oyedepo, Idahosa, Oyakilome and many more famous people like Mohammad Ali, Michael Jackson will later become saints in heaven for people to start connecting them for help?

Steep:
This present earth and heaven will be totally wiped of, there will not be any trace of it left at all. However, God will create a totally new one in which only those who are righteous (the righteousness that is from Jesus Chris will dwell.
Before the destruction of the new heavens and earth, Jesus will reign in this old one for a thousand year and fulfill all the remaining prophecy of this earth. Satan would be bound, Jesus will restore the adamic paradise on earth, humans will live very long time but there will still be death, The nation of Israel would be restored, all those of his servants who had loses on earth due to following him would be compensated, Jesus would appoint those Christians who are worthy to govern the earth they will rule according to Jesus laws and decrees. No sinner would ever get any position of power again, sin shall have instantaneous judgment, alot of prophecies will be fulfilled, and at the same time angelic judgment would be going on, for the Saint will be the ones handling it. Jesus will rule with an iron rod during the millennium but after it ends Satan would be released again and he will deceive the unsaved people and they will try to take over the holy city but will meet their abrupt end.
After then this the whole universe would be destroyed and removed out of existence and at the same time the white throne judgment would take place.

Exactly what i'm saying.
Just that you don't want to quote the scriptures to show where all these could be found but it's OK since the same holy ghost is teaching all of unah!

FxMasterz:
My brother, he's not a Christian. Stop discussing scriptures with him. Instead, preach to him, perhaps God will save his heart. He needs Jesus in His life. You can see how he rubbished the reliance on the Holy Spirit for scripture interpretation. No believer talks like that. And, there are many other statements of his that gave him out.
Preach the word to him. Tell him to give his life to Christ. I do not see him as a Christian. I stopped all discussions with him because of this and his lack of good comprehension of discourses. I'll create a thread next week on this same issue and mention you also. God bless you my brother. God bless Boomark too.

This is hilarious indeed!
God bless both guys for contradicting one another!
All of you agree that your so called Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost will teach you people individually yet you people wants to agree on sacred matters.
Well it's better to leave you guys alone after all you are all BORN AGAIN and your god works in MYSTERIOUS ways so you people can disagree on sacred matters and still continue to please your god!

lawani:
Yes they become popular on Earth because of what they did on Earth. There is no spirit lording it over any spirit in heaven. Worship only goes from Earth to heaven never heaven to heaven

Like what exactly did they do?
Entertainment, terrorist activity, robbery, fraud, riches, beauty and other weird things. I remember a man in the Odù known as "Oníkòyí" his ifá is called "Ògúndábèdè" he lived as a warrior and thief, according to his oríkì when leaving home he goes with a lot of treasures so that whenever he comes in contact with a warrior greater than him he negotiates with such a person but whenever there's no one to contend with him he steals and kills bringing spoils back home.
Till today Oníkòyí is remembered for his territor and robbery.
Do you agree that he is now one of the famous gods in heaven now?

Jesus is only spiritually related to the Jews {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} so after choosing twelve apostles he told them that their assignment is to focus on their brothers who are Israelites only!



Jesus said to (his twelve apostles): “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel." Matthew 19:28

The word judging indicates correction or setting matters straight among faithful Israelites but when it comes to people of other nations Jesus specifically chose Paul to interpret what Christianity means to people who chose to become faithful among the nations! Act 9:15; Galatians 2:7; Ephesians 3:8; 1Timothy 2:7

So whoever speaks against Paul's apostleship in Israel could be forgiven because Jesus walked among them and taught in their streets but whoever open his or her mouth to speak against Paul among the nations who got the message through the works Paul did as assigned by Christ Jesus himself will not be forgiven.

WHY?

Because Jesus specifically chose Paul to connect people of the nations to himself therefore speaking against apostle Paul is tantamount to cutting off the connection between Christ and such a person since he or she isn't an Israelite related to Jesus at all.

In what language should a deaf pray?

lawani:
Yes the God that owns you is the one you should tend first but as we have popular human beings we also have
popular Gods and those are who Yoruba call orisa. Orisas are spirits of prominent ancestors and we also have the God grid that controls both heaven and Earth.

I understood fame made some humans gods amongst other humans but since you say each human has his/her own particular god what then makes the gods popular in heaven?

Do they become popular gods in heaven due to the fame they/their bodies had on planet earth?

AngelahFlo:
Concerning the bolded I don't agree. Concerning the rest of these comment, I'm gonna build my case after doing some research based on the commentary.

I didn't type for anyone to agree what i'm doing is explaining my beliefs.

I believe there is only one God, His name is Jehovah. He introduced one man as a model for us to learn His qualities by carefully observing the words, thoughts and actions of this man his name is Jesus and Jesus selected twelve imperfect men who will continue his work of teaching all faithful people throughout the world.
This pattern will never change if it's still the same God.
So Jehovah is our God, Jesus Christ is our light bearer and the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the little group our God is using to gather the other sheep Jesus foretold in our time! John 10:16
Whoever knows and agrees with this is my BROTHER in the faith but whoever disagrees is my NEIGHBOR today.
The difference between my NEIGHBOR and my BROTHER is that i'm related to my BROTHER so we worship and pray together {Matthew 12:46-50; John 20:17} but as for my NEIGHBOR we live together as contemporaries so we do neighborly things {Luke 10:30-37} without having anything sacred to do together.
Thanks for your time!

AngelahFlo:
It was to tend and keep the garden but that doesn't mean that we have to learn farming on this earth to use the skill there. Adam wasn't taught how to farm. He already knew how to tend the garden which was what he was doing. So when we get to Paradise, we will use our intuitive knowledge of farming and how to tend the land in the new earth. Hope you're getting me?

Well this is what my own copy of the Bible says:


They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people; my chosen ones will long enjoy the work of their hands. They will not labor in vain, nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune; for they will be a people blessed by the Lord, they and their descendants with them.
‭Isaiah 65:21-23 NIV‬

So we will plant what we are going to eat since we still have 1,000 years to learn in Paradise {Revelations 20:5-6} before Jesus hand over rulership of mankind back to his father and God {1Corinthans 15:26-28} that is what Jesus called 'judgment day' {Matthew 11:24} during that 1,000 years Adamic sin has been removed so no oldage, sickness or death anymore because God will remove all that due to Jesus' sacrificial blood {Isaiah 33:24} but whoever refuse to learn what true Christians are teaching throughout the earth that time won't be spared like we have now instead God will allow such individuals to exist for 100 years after resurrection and die as a youth! Isaiah 65:20

At that time whenever anyone dies we will not mourn because we know it's angels that killed him or her for refusal to accept Christianity since there won't be excuses anymore as only Jehovah's Witnesses will be known globally as Christians because Satan has been locked up so no more criticism again pure worship and whoever wants to start any other religion after knowing that it's the God of Jehovah's Witnesses that brought him or her back will die within 100 years.

So there is still a lot to learn in Paradise by those who aren't Jehovah's Witnesses today. We must teach them but by then it will be easy because there won't be any religion criticizing us like today.
That's what Jesus meant when he said it will be easier for those that died in Noah's time as well as inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah in judgment day {Matthew 10:15} because when they are resurrected they will humbly listen to what we are teaching since they've had such experience before but those who never had such experiences may find it hard to believe that God could establish just one religion commissioned to save mankind.

lawani:
Humans are incarnations of Gods. They are owned by Gods. There is still a small difference. As you are here on Earth, your spirit owns you but it is still a God going about its business in heaven.

So in order word you are your own god and everyone has his/her own personal god in the so called "heaven"
What exactly does these gods want from humans?
Or
You're just saying this as another idea to be added to 60 billions ideas according to the number of gods and their human bodies here on earth?

According to the Bible there are two Lords:

The Lord (Olúwa) says to my lord (Olúwa): “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” ‭Psalms 110:1 NIV‬

lawani:
I said over 60 billion not 80 billion. Every human being is a farm for a spirit according to my IFA research.
Your own spirit is the one that you should first worship as it is the owner of you then you have ancestors whose spirits are interested in your progress because they can incarnate in future as your kid or descendant.
In heaven all spirits are peers and therefore they are all Gods but they cooperate with each other in different ways. You yourself are a God is the gist. We are all Gods

Every human being is a farm for a spirit according to my IFA research.
You yourself are a God is the gist. We are all Gods.
So why separate Humans from Gods since all of us are Humans and Gods?

All of them are fake!
Whoever bears a religious title in public is a deceiver. Matthew 23:8-10

WHY?

Because in the midst of Jesus' followers there shouldn't be any title bearer recognized outside the group except the name Jesus who is Christ the Savior.

Wahala Yaaaso!
800billion Gods.
OK.
But why they are more than humans?
Àbí they don't care about worship?
If they do, how many worshipers are there to worship 60 billion deities?

You people just fabricate whatever you want to criticize the Bible, later you will start questioning what is written in the Bible.

Is this what your ifá revealed to you?

Please how come the number of deities is more than that of supposed worshipers or you have suddenly forgotten the meaning of the word gods?

The only solution is original Christianity all these deception is evil!

Which of the churches is teaching what Jesus commanded his Apostles?

What is the motive behind Christianity?

Jesus said:

By their fruits you will know both false religious leaders and true ones so what exactly is that fruit?

Hypocrites are everywhere!
Which religion is not in support of the ongoing politics in your country?

Most people don't realize that as long as religionists are into politics there is no way you can resolve hatred and killings among you.

Imagine only Jehovah's Witnesses stands out making peace with everyone around us so that the love of God and neighbors will continue.

Go to Russia and Ukraine and ask which religion is not in support of politics and wars?
So if all the religionists are into politics what do you expect their leaders to do when brother A is in support of party CP while brother B is in support of party DDA knowing fully well the bitter rivalry in politics?

Slavery comes as a result of politics.

Most humans feels they supposed to be like gods dominating their fellowman this idea came from Satan the devil who introduced it in the garden of Eden to Eve the first woman! Genesis 3:1-5

Satan himself wasn't satisfied with being just one of God's spirit sons in heaven but wants to rule over other angels {Isaiah 14:12-14} this idea is what Satan has been promoting among humans for thousands of years and arrogant people have joined in his rebellion the likes of Adam, Eve and Cain.
Do you notice that the first three names of humans mentioned in the Bible followed Satan?
Well that is why God's word omitted the names of these three when listing the names of people whose names are found written in God's memory book and the first to be mentioned is Abel whose name came fourth in the Bible! Hebrews 11:4
So slavery started and will end with this system of things but when God's Kingdom comes slavery with it's supporters will no longer exist! Psalms 37:7-11