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otipoju:
The more I go to church, the more I feel like I am in the wrong place. Plenty religious activities but no Godliness.

The word "Church" in the Bible doesn't refer to the building where people gather to worship rather it means the congregants themselves so if you truly want to know what Christianity means just go into your private room, go on your knees and pray to God you need to be specific in this prayer so tell Him to send His true worshipers to you.
I'm sure they will locate you before this week runs out but don't just stop there ask them thought provoking questions regarding your past experience in places of worship and what Jesus really taught! Matthew 7:7 compare to Proverbs 2:2-5
If you haven't seen any group of people whose worship is not about money that means you have been mingling with the worshipers of Mammon not true Christians {Matthew 6:19-24} so don't go about with the teachings you got from worshipers of Mammon expecting true Christians to have the same beliefs! Matthew 16:6-12

OnuChuks:
Please look for a bible believing Church they are plenty around you.

There is nothing like Bible believing church it's just another way to say "find the one that suit your thinking" there is only one group of Christians they will find you and not the other way around because Jesus commanded them to come to your home and speak to you! Matthew 10:11-13
So if you think religious gatherings where people just walk in due to what they like is Christianity then you have been thoroughly deceived Christianity is about understanding what Jesus taught and how to go about helping others through your words and actions that's the only way you can help others not just telling them what to do! 1Timothy 4:15-16
May you have peace!

Peacecore:
Nor matter how you want to whitewash this method, it's not honorable guy.

True preaching should allow for question and answer before it could be impactful for real nobody can say what a street preacher said is convincing enough to change his former beliefs or conduct. You must ask questions about certain things and get convincing answer {Proverbs 1:5; 2:2-5 compare to Matthew 7:7-8} before you can start thinking of how to change. In fact you still need help further to make needed changes.

WHY?

Because street preachers aren't of the same sect if you can ask them the same question you will get different answers so how can such be impactful for real when there is no follow up on what you heard?

Paul said to Barnabas:
“Let us now return and visit the brothers in every one of the cities where we proclaimed the word of Jehovah, to see how they are.” Act 15:36

How many can say he got a return visit after hearing these noisemakers?
Paul and Barnabas were going back to see how those who received their messages are doing.
Why?
Because these new converts need help to put what they heard into practice:
For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. Romans 2:13
However, become doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning. James 1:22

Jesus sent us out to preach {Matthew 10:11-13} and teach {Matthew 28:20} as we lead by examples those who heard us will be convinced that what they heard is PRACTICAL:

Paul told Timothy:

Ponder over these things; be absorbed in them, so that your advancement may be plainly seen by all people. Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you. 1Timothy 4:15-16

After preaching we must lead by example so that what we preach can be real to those who heard it this is how they can fully understand and be saved!

Regarding what Jesus said in the Bible book of John 14:1-3 Paul told born again Christians in Thessalonica:


For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. ‭1Thessalonians 4:16-17 NIV‬

Please what is Paul saying here?

God's prophets in the Old Testament makes noise in the streets of Israel but in the New Testament God told his prophets not to make noise in the streets rather they are to speak to individuals who wants to listen!

Compare and contrast!

Just take care of the old guy and allow God to deal with him in your Hell after all he was there for you when you were helpless!

Still street noise making in the name of preaching is unchristian! Matthew 12:19

Peacecore:
You're on point. And if other religions do this, they'll be the ones to condemn them to hell first

By now the police will be in every corner picking anyone preaching because it would have caused trouble everywhere!

Peacecore:
ohh never knew he was a JW. Maybe he'll understand what we mean by the word ' orderliness ' one day.

No JW who doesn't understand what is orderliness but his type are called "sons of disobedience" in the Bible {Ephesians 5:6} so they can't stay where things are in order:

They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort 1John 2:19

Peacecore:
My brother let's say the truth and leave matter for Mathias. Preaching in the market or roadsides are not honorable at all.

What these people failed to understand is that if each religionist should take to the streets to shout at passersby things would have turned upside down.

Imagine seeing a traditionalists shouting in a bus or on the streets saying all the people who disown the gods of our land are to be blamed for the bad things happening and that it's until we all return to those deities and fully prepared for challenges to face whoever wants to dare them with their charms.
How many noisemakers do you think will stand face to face with them to argue?
Or imagine if Muslims should start doing the same thing standing by the roadside and inside buses shouting at passersby claiming everyone must turn to Islam or enter their Hellfire!

Jesus have seen all these before sending us to go and speak with individuals who will appreciate our messages in their homes! Matthew 10:11-13

essentialone1:
But be honest
Men behave like God. Women behave like Satan. Check throughout the Bible.

Who told you this?
Well if you care to know the only evil the world has ever had is politics and those playing it be it a man or woman in politics they are all Satan's children!

First of all Jesus condemned titles holding among his disciples so none of his disciples should go out of the group carrying a religious title around! Matthew 23:8-10
This means whenever you see someone bearing a religious title such a person is not a Christian in the first place.
Such ones disguises like ministers of God {2Corinthians 11:13-15} Paul has this to say about such men:


Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. ‭Philippians 3:19 NIV‬

Peacecore:
I noticed it as well but one thing is certain; truth is truth no matter where it came from.

Sure!
When it's time God's Holy Spirit will lead His worshipers to the truth {John 14:26} that's why it's important to know those who supposed to be leading God's people in our time {Matthew 24:45} because they are the only group Jesus is using to direct his disciples globally! Act 2:42

At least Jesus said to his disciples:
"you will know the truth" John 8:32

Question:
Are his disciples in the lies before?
Have they been practicing falsehood all along?
Of course not, as imperfect humans we can't get everything right all the time but to the extent we can holiness from the level of imperfect humans could be likened to daylight which can't be compared to man-made electric globe yet there's no way you won't see a dark spot in the sky. Proverbs 4:18
Which means despite being in the truth there will be some things they may be doing wrongly but when it's the right time God's Holy Spirit will bring it to their notice! John 16:12-13

Banned as usual for vulgar speeches due lack of self control!

essentialone1:
But in the passage of Creation, it was specific that Eve was called Woman

NO! Adam called Eve "woman" {Genesis 2:23} as he was assigned to name all other creatures! Genesis 2:19

achorladey:
Loooool that one hiding his real face beside you saying I am restless knows Jehovah's Witnesses were equally shouting all over the world with their concocted good news in times past. They mounted their loudspeakers as if the world will end in the next minutes and they were sure it was the best thing to do regarding the Good news
Now they no longer use he has the mouth to speak against others preaching publicly.

Highlighted has vindicated God's Organization!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have known the truth regarding that now as the light keeps getting brighter! Proverbs 4:18

So we don't disturb passersby with noise after having the accurate knowledge of truth!

Peacecore:
Sure! At least I have seen neither a Jehovah's witnesses or a Catholic doing that. It's either Achorladey is one or he's a pastor that encourages his members to do that. I don't think I'll subscribe to that form of preach. It's become a dent on the image of the religion. They've replaced doctrines with personal thoughts

Acholardey was born by parents who are Jehovah's Witnesses so just as the angel who turned against his heavenly father and started criticizing, slandering and betraying his father that's exactly what Achorladey is doing now.
Satan is a sadist because upon all his effort there has always been faithful people who loves knowing and doing the right thing whereas Satan's target is to promote isolation where each person will think of himself or herself as God without submitting to anyone! Genesis 3:4-5
So whatever will make people agree to be organized in doing anything for God exjws won't support it.
For your information they are the group of individuals Jesus referred to as "GOATS" because goat is a domestic animal that detests orderliness so they are never organized whereas sheep always love to submit to order and always organized. Matthew 25:31-32

essentialone1:
God created man in His own image and likeness. In whose image and likeness did He create women?

Both of them were created in the image of God:

And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

So the noun "Man" in the Bible applies to both genders for instance God's word says:

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27

Do women die more than once?

@Peacecore.
Check the likes those speaking against street noise making got on this thread.
For your information most of them are Pentecostals and they know that it's their members that are making noise in streets and buses.
When has any of their G.Os corrected it in all their churches?
That's what achorladey wants them to think so they can turn against you!

Peacecore:
I don't even know that it's not only me that noticed it. I don't think there's any other thing he need to hear from you. Ridiculing Christianity is my major concern about their activities otherwise I don't have business with whatever they do as far as I may chose not to stop and listen to them buh haba it's becoming too much.

Note one thing he gradually shifted your line of argument into mentioning the name of your church and since he knows mine he wants to use that as a means to turn everyone who has been in support of the truth against you.

I trailed most of those i knew very well on this forum as Pentecostals yet they are against this street noise making on this thread. Acholardey knows many of them used to criticize the Catholic Church so once they know that it's a Catholic that's raising this topic they will all turn against the opinion they supported in the first place.

That's what he's trying to do because he's against orderliness or anything that's organized.

Peacecore:
In fact, was there anything like Pentecostal before 1535 AD?

Your friend is gradually changing the topic of this thread from how Jesus laid the groundwork for preaching to which religion is true that's why he keeps on calling me to join him in his choice of topic which i won't do!
All sane individuals hates noise in their neighborhood the fact that God raised prophets in ancient Israel to serve as town criers (prophets) back then doesn't mean that's what He always wants rather it's when His worshipers are doing things contrary to His will that He raises prophets to call them to order so if they are doing what is right He wouldn't send anyone to disturb them with irritating noise.
In the first century the Jews were no longer under God's arrangement another nation (Rome) was determining the policies so it's inappropriate to send town criers into their streets because the authority may arrest such a person for noise pollution that's why God sent John as the only first century prophet to go into the WILDERNESS and from there he was SHOUTING! John 1:23 compare to Isaiah 40:3
From the moment that God was no longer their principal ruler He never sent anyone to go shouting in their streets that's why both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth never shout in their streets!
Today what these noisemakers are doing is ridiculing Christianity and giving it a bad name because onlookers seeing them will conclude they are Christians since they carry the Bible in their hands not knowing that's not the way Jesus Christ who is the Son of God commissioned the preaching work!

Ohyoudidnt:
Getting to if this was determined or predetermined is more likely beyond my certain and explainable reasoning.

According to Qur'an who is Satan?
What did Qur'an say about Allah and the existence of Satan?
Did Allah purposely create Satan for the things we know him to be now?

The Bible explained that God is Holy this means someone who doesn't think of evil everything He does is always good but since some humans feel like doing what God condemns they argue that that's their own nature as God created and wanted them to be just as He created Satan so God can't create them the way they are and someone else will now come preaching they need to change from what God created them to be into something else, in other words they blame God for their actions and inactions! Genesis 3:11-12

Peacecore:
Those that started the division later left because they had agenda

Wow!
May God bless you for this comment!

Peacecore:
They're deluded

Secret is RIGHTEOUSNESS and HUMILITY!

before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the Lord’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek RIGHTEOUSNESS, seek HUMILITY; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord’s anger. ‭Zephaniah 2:2-3 NIV‬


Why did this prophet emphasized on the two qualities?

Well it's only when you do right things that you can feel free to knock on people's doors without fear, someone who is committing fornication or adultery will not find it easy because you may knock the door of someone with whom you're dragging girlfriend/boyfriend.
And if you're not humble you can't knock the door of someone with whom you are keeping malice.

So to the extent possible you must have a innocent hands and pure heart before you can preach the way Jesus taught his disciples! Matthew 10:16 compare to Psalms 24:3-4

Peacecore:

Exactly the way to do things. Even Paul would go as low as join idolators just to convince them.

Manner of approach during preaching is what we are debating here this problem which the founder of Christianity himself has solved in the first century.

He taught us to engage individuals who may welcome our message or reject it so it's not a matter of shouting indiscriminately into thin air claiming we are doing so for Jesus who has laid down procedure to carry out his father's will in a orderly manner and appropriately!

Peacecore:

They (the pastors) are probably afraid of losing them

Jehovah's Witnesses also tells members not to mingle with apostates (former members of the organization who now believes they know better than current members) not someone who attends any other religion. Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10; Jude 1:19

WHY?

Because such ones can't present a better performing group rather they are only seeking support for their rebellion against those taking the lead in the faith!

Peacecore:
I have seen many of them like that. They're only good in that indiscriminate style but fumble in one on one conversation

They are not trained so they can't handle a situation they never prepared for.
I've met many who often say their pastors has warned them not to listen to Jehovah's Witnesses.
I told my friend who said so that his pastor knew he will stop attending his church if he pay attention to Jehovah's Witnesses! John 8:32

Peacecore:
They'll never agree that you're good to teach them. They will nearly see you as an infidel.

We do preach to prostitutes but it's our approach that will beat their conscience because we won't quote a Bible verse that condemns their work rather we will preach the Good News of God's Kingdom to them which will make them ask questions about why God permitted suffering, crime, injustice, sickness and death?
After satisfying their curiosity few of them will now ask us why we never condemn their works that's the time to tell them that such doesn't make any sense when they never knew that God is not the cause of what brought them to that debased condition!
But trust our evangelism evangelists they will continue shouting "Hellfire Hellfire" as if that's what Jesus called Good News!

It's not going to be easy for the new G.O. because Kumuyi has created a problem for his followers.

Look at Adeboye though he held the church as if he's the founder but still allows others lead in other branches but Kumuyi's system seems like he's the only person who can teach in his church.

Take for instance the only Deeperlifer i know on this forum who carried the church on his head is OLAADEGBU this man doesn't have anything to preach or teach all he does is call people to come and study the Bible (not with members of Deeperlife) but with Kumuyi.

So how is the new man going to cope when members can't view someone else as a spirit filled teacher of God's word except Kumuyi?

Peacecore:
That's a responsible way of doing things. They would've left if you didn't want to hear from them. No imposition - whether you want it or not, no shouting, and no offerings. Why won't you respect and welcome such people another day.

I'm telling you that we (JWs) finds it really easy to preach in places where there are no Pentecostals or other churches we do enjoy our preaching in such places because they won't start arguing aimlessly just to stop the conversation.

In fact we do have experiences in towns and villages where majority worship family deities in small small shrines they often treat us well but the complete opposite is when you meet people who claims they are BORN AGAIN those are the funniest people because it's their kinds who do shout in buses and corners of the street yet they know next to nothing!

Peacecore:
There was already an encounter between Jesus and the Sameritan woman which is asking for and gifting of water. The discussion started from there. Jesus didn't just meet the woman and start telling her stuffs. Jesus identified the effort Zaccheuus was making to see him. He didn't start attending to him in the crowd but promised him to come to his house which he obliged to. Even a mad man besides Bethsaida river call out Jesus first before he was attended to.

What they want is disorder so nobody can compel them to join preachers going to meet people in their homes.

You know speaking indiscriminately into the air could be done by anybody but to approach someone and initiate a serious discussion knowing fully well that the other person may ask questions is not easy that will require that you have scriptural answers to questions that may arise from the discussion you raised.