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Ezmans:
this is absolutely wrong and it's monetization, i went to Jehovah's witnesses convention last week at mowe all there works department are all volunteers and well arranged both toilet, drugs are all free, I heard when they thanked all the volunteers, church is registered under charity the have bought that ticket at hundred naira and rewrite it 200 showing he is looking for profit

AngelahFlo:
Good morning Brother Thanks for this debate. It's been interesting, heated and really controversial. As Christians we're called to be Witnesses not Lawyers
A Lawyer argues a case and a point.
A Witness shares an experience and can't keep silent. I pray for you and for me as well to be faithful witnesses to Him. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth in Love as we await His coming. Be at Peace and be blessed brother.

Alliswell248:
Media trial that you have been brainwashed with
Daddy Adeboye never, never,never for the sake of emphasis protested against Jonathan. Bring evidence

tctrills:
Ok, for your sake, let us not use those adjectives; instead, let's say God has all power, he knows all things, and his presence is everywhere. Jeremiah 23:23–24.
I really don't care about your choice of words. The important thing here is that we both agree with what the bible says about God today. Nice one.

tctrills:
Let's make it easy for everyone. MaxInDHouse is not comfortable with the words Omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. So just tell him that God knows all, has all power, and His presence is everywhere. No need to use specific words to convey the very same ideas.

As for you MaxInDHouse, I am happy that you now believe in adhering to the word of God and not depending on guesswork. I pray this will transcend to all you believes. That from today, you will trust in God and not man-made organizations.

Emusan:
No, it's not that something is wrong but you being clinical with the truth.

You belief that:

1. Jesus is Michael something you can never produce directly from Bible.

2. Watchtower teaches Theocracy the word you can never found in the Bible.

Yet you lie with bare face that you don't believe whatever that isn't found in the Bible.

Omniscient, Omnipotent & Omnipresent are just words with MEANINGS.

OMNISCIENT = All Knowing! Are you saying God doesn't KNOW ALL THINGS?

OMNIPOTENT = ALL POWERFUL! Are you saying God is not ALL POWERFUL?

OMNIPRESENT = EVERY WHERE! Are you saying God isn't everywhere?



You see why it's evident that you're just a liar and pretending to be wise.

This shows that God HAS THOSE ATTRIBUTES but you just decided to be lying about it.

The @color part shows you don't abide with God's word because the scripture revealed that God KNOWS ALL THINGS, ALMIGHTY (ALL POWERFUL) AND EVERY WHERE.

I know you have problem with Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent because Watchtower told you to not that you don't see the evidence in the scripture.



All these is just your conjecture, the fact remains God:

1. KNOWS ALL THINGS
2. ALL POWERFUL
3. EVERY WHERE.

As supported by the Scripture.

The only question for you is, is God not ALL KNOWING according to the scripture?

Emusan:
Can you imagine this pure lie.
According to you "God knew what the challenge of Satan will end with FROM BEGINNING" but to you this doesn't mean ALL KNOWING. Waoooooo!
Ọmọ see how wrong teaching is distorting your reasoning.

AngelahFlo:
And this is your proof that God isn't Omniscient?
That God is limited to the knowledge of a said accusation and responded based on that?
Hmm
Now I see how confused you really are?
Now how do you explain where God refers to Himself as the Alpha and the Omega?
What does that prove
That God isn't Omnipresent as well?
Chai!!!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK i'm not interested in arguments.
Thanks!

tctrills:
Again, you will do well to understand synonymous expressions or equivalent phrases. Please do allow yourself to get confused by the use and interchangeability of words. We learn every day, so let's not hold this against you. Thanks for your time!

AngelahFlo:
You see all those points you just made are to what purpose? To prove that the Omni attributes of God are false or what? God is Sovereign. He created the devil as a perfect angel which he was until he chose to rebel and became who he is today.
God who created Cain and Abel who later murdered his brother acted his intent based on his choices. Gof gave Man the ability to exhibit the power of choice which is the bone of contention here. These pas sages simply reflect His Sovereignty it doesn't negate His Omni attributes. I know next you'll be saying why didn't God stop Adam from eating the forbidden fruit that led to the fall of mankind. God knows everything
Has power over everything
He's ever present yet He gave his creation the power of choice.

AntiChristian:
Yes, he was extremely poor!
I don't need to emulate Christain!
Yahweh Jesus papa did gave worse laws in Deuteronomy 13. Why una no criticize Yahweh?

AngelahFlo:
OK what is the meaning of Omniscient? If according to Rev 21:6 God knows the end from the beginning.
What is your definition of Omniscient?

AngelahFlo:
Thanks my Bro. I'll pull that out. It's just that with people like that is they are fixated on their preconceived ideas

Emusan:
The most funny thing about you is this pride in ignorance of you. This is the question you asked by yourself.After you asked the above question, you boldly said what God says in the the BIBLE which happened to be that "God knows the end from the beginning"
Omniscient simply means KNOWS ALL THINGS - (knows from end to beginning)? If you're not the confusionist here God knowing the end from the beginning means what? You claimed they FAILED but you don't address what it means to "KNOW THE END FROM THE BEGINNING" According to Rev 21:6, what does it mean that God knows the end from the beginning? Here you admitted that God HIMSELF went down to Sodomy and Gomarah. Well, that's a point for another day. But you never reconcile the two verses rather you jumped around and play your usual hide and seek game. See perambulation instead of reconciling the two verses he is bringing MORE VERSES After all your ramble ramble and how people became Atheist and Agnostic because they were deceived with the word Omniscient and how God isn't OMNISCIENT. You finally agreed with them that God is actually OMNISCIENT, though trying to play smart by using "CAN" The scripture claimed GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS and Omniscient means KNOWING ALL THINGS. Back to this question from you "What you need to ask yourself is whether God is Omniscient according to what most people say."
Even though, you never addressed the OP but just play words around as usual one thing I can pick from this is that, after God got all the reports, God HIMSELF have to go down and confirm the report, is that right?

tctrills:
Don't you see the foolishness in asking me to quote those 3 words. There is something in English called Synonyms. There are words with the same meaning and synonymous expressions; these are phrases with the same meaning. Hope you have learnt something today.

AngelahFlo:
I won't quote what I know to be wrong

AngelahFlo:
I didn't curse
I'm just sad and hurt that someone who should know more should be so...ignorant. now to your question.
Genesis 18:20-21 isn't a proof of God's limited knowledge. To say that God must have been limited in knowledge and presence that He had to go and see for himself if the sins of those cities are grievous is a fallacy from the pit of hell. How can the most high God who can do all things
See all things and is everywhere be limited? That you can't find the words in the Bible doesn't imply that God isn't what He is?

theredaddy:
Its either you are with Nigerians or against us for anyone defending Apc regime.

AngelahFlo:
Amazing I just explained the reason for your claim on God being limited in knowledge and power and presence and you say I'm being presumptious. I see that from the account you quoted on Abraham and Isaac can you prove to me the limitedness of God's knowledge in that scene? If you can't prove that, then you're so wrong! I just told you that God wanted to test Abraham's Faith to see if He can sacrifice His only son. It was just a test not a proof of His limited knowledge as you presume. A teacher will give you a test to see how much you know or understand a subject not to prove his(the teacher's ignorance or limited knowledge. We'll keep at this till thy kingdom come because you're so fixated on the "written in the Bible" thing that you don't see the implied meanings in the letters you fixate on.
Continue at your own peril

tctrills:
God is Omniscient (All-Knowing)
Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.

1 John 3:20

If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Hebrews 4:13

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Psalm 139:1–4

You have searched me, Lord, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise... Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.

Isaiah 46:9–10

I am God, and there is no other... I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.

God is Omnipresent (Present Everywhere)
Psalm 139:7–10

Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there...
even there your hand will guide me.

Jeremiah 23:23–24

Am I only a God nearby,” declares the Lord, “and not a God far away?
Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?
Do I not fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3

The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

God is Omnipotent (All-Powerful)

Genesis 18:14

Is anything too hard for the Lord?

Job 42:2

I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

Jeremiah 32:17

Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.

Matthew 19:26

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Revelation 19:6

Hallelujah! For the Lord God Almighty reigns.

The idea that God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him is guesswork based on human knowledge, not founded in the word of God, and it is False.
And just so you know, Habakkuk 1:13 says

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

This verse does not mean that God is incapable of seeing sin. Rather, it expresses that God is too holy to look favorably or approvingly upon evil. The prophet is wrestling with God's tolerance of injustice and asking why God seems to allow the wicked (Babylonians) to prosper.
Behold evil," in this context doesn’t mean physical seeing, but enduring it, approving it, or ignoring it.

The verses below will correct your mistake.
God clearly sees all sin:

Proverbs 15:3 — "The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good."

Job 34:21 — "His eyes are on the ways of mortals; he sees their every step."

Hebrews 4:13 — "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight."

AngelahFlo also take note

bixton:
I have found peace a long time ago and daily enjoying it for Christ Jesus dwells in me and He has put in me the Spirit of liberty. I am free from sin and free from every form of intellectual and knowledge based bondage. I am not a slave to the world nor to the evil devising of the spirit of deception.

bixton:
Skewed knowledge and understanding of the Scripture, you keep exhibiting. I pity the brainwashed ones. How did the Governing Body of JW come into existence?
How were they appointed or selected?

bixton:
Your knowledge and understanding of the Scripture is awesome.....
I guess by the standards of your teaching , assuming everyone becomes a JW, who will become the leader at every level in the country?

bixton:
Politics, Satan !!!!!
See brainwashing....
Please show me Scripture that points to politics being of Satan?

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

bixton:
Look at a good tree producing good fruits.....
I look forward to the day a JW will aspire to become a State Governor or even President of the nation....

AngelahFlo:
It's amazing that you quote scripture out of context. God was testing Abraham to see if He can willingly give Abraham can give His promised son to God.
It was a test of faith not a show of God's limited knowledge. I really really feel sorry for you. Too much fixation on literal written word has blinded you to what the word of God really is. The letter kills while the Spirit of the word gives life.

bixton:
As a child till now that I'm an adult I have never heard "spirit filled" word preached by your likes. Never.....Never....Never....
The last time I saw your likes before the COVID-19 lockdown, I only settled for your science pamphlets out of respect. I don't give myself to brainwashing called teachings or preaching. Good luck to your kind of philosophy and to those who are hinged on it.

bixton:
I am not amazed but ashamed.
But to continue when you misinterpret the Scripture or should I say you speak heresy without hesitation and make it look like you speak the truth. The Scripture does not allow me to continue in gallivanting in such things that leads to nothing. It will only lead to more ungodliness and add no real value to my spirit man.

bixton:
Really......
When a man is truly learned it will show.
No be ignorance and arrogant talking .
Why will religious body who says they are of Christ Jesus brainwash their members against doing blood transfusion even if it means it will save them......