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femi4:
You didn't answer my question. In fact the question wasn't meant for you.
I already dealth with you yesterday

OK o!

femi4:
Where were the audience when he was with the Samantha woman?

Whenever you're reading God's word try to see yourself in the picture.

Now imagine a preacher who is going from house to house with his friends then he performed a miracle like raising a dead person or paralyzed man or restoring the sight of a blind man or curing a leper or cripple.

Do you think such a person could still continue his house to house ministry without people trying to see the man who is performing such wonders?

That's what brought about the crowd not that Jesus was rudely speaking to uninterested passersby!

Peacecore:
Oh!
Now understand. Lemme just leave him with his mindset. Thanks bro!

The first time i met preachers who came knocking on doors it was members of a Catholic Church closer to my place i was so surprised when i opened and they started preaching for me!
It's like a taboo to me seeing someone at my door claiming he or she wants to preach one on one only to discover that he or she is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
So i gave them a long bench to sit for us to have a Bible discussion but they were surprised as their supposed householder turned out to be the one doing the preaching because whatever question i ask puts them in a tight corner and i keep supplying the answers from the Bible.
The young man who led the group wasn't pleased with the way his colleagues were listening attentively as if they're seeing a prophet he told them to leave and a lady among them told him that they are learning from me then i told them i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses that's the time their leader said:
"NO WONDER! I knew this person can't be one of those Pentecostals"
We parted with greetings!

Peacecore:
I don't know what else you want to hear apart from that.

I've told you he's a restless sadist already he doesn't have any faith but as he goes up and down on the forum his grievances is towards anyone who claims to have a unique faith because such will require submission which he has erased from his diary!

Peacecore:
That's good to know. The manner the Jehovah's witnesses do their is correct and respectful way, and Catholic does the same.

Those two are ORGANIZED but it's sad that most people today don't want anything that's organized so that they can choose whatever they want to do!

Peacecore:
This is my point. I'm not an extremist. Have you ever seen a reverend father, Rev. Sister or even Imam preaching in that manner? Abeg we need to respect the dignity of this wonderful religion handed down to us by Christ.

There is one thing most people failed to understand about John 3:16


For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ‭John 3:16 NIV‬


God sent Jesus to TEACH us how to do His will so whoever thinks he knows how to do God's will differently from what Jesus taught is committing a grievous blunder.
How?
Such a person doesn't believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God through whom we can please God well! John 14:6

Peacecore:
There's always a time and a place for everything. You raise the sound of a bed to announce your goods in the market is fine because that's the right place to do it. My point is that they should go to their churches or visit homes not market where there already enough noise and no one listens. Can you go to hospital and raise it before know you will be disturbing patience. You should also tell me why they collect offerings.

Satan has put a lot in place to counter Christianity some are frontal attacks and others are subtle form of attacks just to discredit Christianity.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses if you'll like to know i'm with you.

MightySparrow:
Is that the reason your organization dissuades your people against university education? No rich people will enter into Jehovah's Witnesses Paradise. Shey?
Psalms 62:9
[9]Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
Men of BSc, BA, are vanity, MA, MSc, PhD, are a lie.
Rich people are doomed, Kings are hopeless. Poor, lowly, ignorant people accepted.
Paul was wrong to have preached to Agrippa, and Felix, Luke to Theophilus.

Bàbá!
You grow older each day, it's unwise joking during serious discussions like this!

Kayberg:
At least, he always show he's contradictory to the Bible anytime I engage him and split open his heresies.

You may hate me for being one of JWs but Please! Please!! Please!!! Don't hate the truth because it will be the basis of judgement on that day!

How have i contradicted the Bible?

Here is my post that you first quoted:

MaxInDHouse:
They are misinformed churchgoers!

Preaching in Bible times was two types?

First was the preaching God's prophets did before our common era (b.c.e) back then the nation of Israel had two Kings the first is their God who brought them out of Egypt and conquered all inhabitants of Canaan for His worshipers to inherit the place this King is a Spirit who lives forever the other kings were humans that Israelites later demanded for themselves! 1Samuel 8:6-7
Their real King (God) has the right to send town criers (prophets) to deliver urgent messages or warnings to them so this prophets (town criers) can stand in any of their streets or cities to deliver the message of their God (King) at any time.
But in our common era (c.e) things have changed a lot the Israelites had turned against their God (King) countless times {Matthew 21:43} so this King or God no longer send town criers (prophets) to enter into their streets shouting.
WHY? Because by the time Jesus walked the earth another nation out of several nations that's been ruling over Israelites is in charge of their public affairs so it is inappropriate for any town crier (prophet) to enter the streets shouting in the name of any God as their rulers may take such as disturbing the peace in their domain that's the reason why God did not send John the baptist into their towns or streets when it's time for this prophet to declare the coming of Christ rather this prophet was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1
So it was in the wilderness that faithful Jews were going to meet this prophet to know the message their God had for them! Matthew 3:5-6

After Jesus (a carpenter) got baptized by John it was revealed to John that this is the Christ that John came to prepare the way for {John 1:33} so Jesus took over the job from John the baptist and from that moment John began receiving less attention while Jesus started getting more {John 3:25-30} that was how Jesus began preaching and teaching and all the people were going to him.

QUESTION!
Was Jesus shouting in the streets?
ANSWER!
NO!
He first gathered his trusted childhood friends and started going from house to house preaching and the theme of his preaching is the same as that of John the baptist {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} but instead of shouting in the wilderness he approaches doors and greets householders before delivering his speech this reminded his disciples of what has been foretold about the Christ:

Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.  He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. No crushed reed will he break, And no smoldering wick will he extinguish. In faithfulness he will bring justice. He will not grow dim or be crushed until he establishes justice in the earth; And the islands keep waiting for his law. Isaiah 42:1-4 compare to Matthew 12:19
So Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching of God's Kingdom message from house to house and door to door so that his real disciples don't disturb passersby with noise. They are to go and knock people's doors, greet householders and ask for permission to speak before delivering their messages! Matthew 10:11-13
Do you know a religion whose preaching and teaching activities is the same as this today?
God bless you and may you have Peace!

Please use the scriptures to substantiate and explain what is contradictory in the above make sure you explain what the scriptures meant at Isaiah 42:2 and Matthew 12:19 for everyone to learn.

Thanks in advance!

Kayberg:
Luke 13 (KJV)
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²⁴ Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
…
²⁶ Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

Do you know the difference between teaching in school and shouting in school?

As Jehovah's Witnesses we do teach people in their shops and in front of their houses surely observers have noticed this several times in their streets but how many have heard us shouting in their streets?
That's the import of Matthew 12:19 and Isaiah 42:2

Preaching aloud in the streets to people who are going to work or businesses is not what Jesus commissioned disciples are to approach a person, greet, introduce ourselves and ask for permission to speak before delivering our message. Matthew 10:11-13

achorladey:
Now it is
You go jump from pillar to post tire tonight.
In the encounter between Jesus and Zaccheus was Jesus voice heard in the street. Isolated or not.

Done and dusted!

achorladey:
I should prove what I already showed you as lies and manipulations of the scriptures issuing from your brains
You are gradually running away from the three scriptures you referenced and I exposed already as abuse of scriptures.

Hundreds of people already realized that it doesn't make sense so my post on this thread is to explain how prophets in ancient Israel do preach and why things changed in the days of John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth!

Here is it again:

MaxInDHouse:
They are misinformed churchgoers!

Preaching in Bible times was two types?

First was the preaching God's prophets did before our common era (b.c.e) back then the nation of Israel had two Kings the first is their God who brought them out of Egypt and conquered all inhabitants of Canaan for His worshipers to inherit the place this King is a Spirit who lives forever the other kings were humans that Israelites later demanded for themselves! 1Samuel 8:6-7
Their real King (God) has the right to send town criers (prophets) to deliver urgent messages or warnings to them so this prophets (town criers) can stand in any of their streets or cities to deliver the message of their God (King) at any time.
But in our common era (c.e) things have changed a lot the Israelites had turned against their God (King) countless times {Matthew 21:43} so this King or God no longer send town criers (prophets) to enter into their streets shouting.
WHY? Because by the time Jesus walked the earth another nation out of several nations that's been ruling over Israelites is in charge of their public affairs so it is inappropriate for any town crier (prophet) to enter the streets shouting in the name of any God as their rulers may take such as disturbing the peace in their domain that's the reason why God did not send John the baptist into their towns or streets when it's time for this prophet to declare the coming of Christ rather this prophet was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1
So it was in the wilderness that faithful Jews were going to meet this prophet to know the message their God had for them! Matthew 3:5-6

After Jesus (a carpenter) got baptized by John it was revealed to John that this is the Christ that John came to prepare the way for {John 1:33} so Jesus took over the job from John the baptist and from that moment John began receiving less attention while Jesus started getting more {John 3:25-30} that was how Jesus began preaching and teaching and all the people were going to him.

QUESTION!
Was Jesus shouting in the streets?
ANSWER!
NO!
He first gathered his trusted childhood friends and started going from house to house preaching and the theme of his preaching is the same as that of John the baptist {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} but instead of shouting in the wilderness he approaches doors and greets householders before delivering his speech this reminded his disciples of what has been foretold about the Christ:

Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.  He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. No crushed reed will he break, And no smoldering wick will he extinguish. In faithfulness he will bring justice. He will not grow dim or be crushed until he establishes justice in the earth; And the islands keep waiting for his law. Isaiah 42:1-4 compare to Matthew 12:19
So Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching of God's Kingdom message from house to house and door to door so that his real disciples don't disturb passersby with noise. They are to go and knock people's doors, greet householders and ask for permission to speak before delivering their messages! Matthew 10:11-13
Do you know a religion whose preaching and teaching activities is the same as this today?
God bless you and may you have Peace!

achorladey:
You want to throw the towel abi with your......
Do I need to explain what at least means

I have told you that i will always be ahead of you in handling the scriptures so come on prove me wrong!

achorladey:
His voice won't be heard IN the street, I am not talking about SHOUTING for now. Was his voice heard in the street. Don't run oooooooo

You can't twist God's word his voice will not be heard in the streets is not isolated here is the verse and prophecy it was quoted from:

He will not quarrel nor cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the main streets. Matthew 12:19

He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. Isaiah 42:2

So the message was clear that unlike the prophets of old who do shout in their streets this one will be different!

achorladey:
assumptions, speculations that are lies.
MaxInDHouse use scriptures to answer how the apostles were doing it

At least each preacher was talking to a listener who heard him speaking his own language o! Act 2:6

femi4:
yes river Jordan was in the bush

Of course rivers weren't in the streets!

femi4:
So he was quietly talking to a crowd

Surely like a stadium where people gather when someone they love speaks not to passersby!

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse, whose voice was heard in the street of Jericho asking Zaccheus to come down?

Jesus was going from house to house and the people who knew he's been performing miracles started following him and his disciples that's what made it difficult for Zacchaeus who ran ahead and climbed a tree Jesus saw him and called out saying “Zac·chaeʹus, hurry and get down, for today I must stay in your house.” Luke 19:5

Please tell us where he was shouting at passersby that's what the scriptures said he will never do! Matthew 12:19

femi4:
Was baptism done in the wilderness

Please read my first post again i believe you will understand:

MaxInDHouse:
They are misinformed churchgoers!

Preaching in Bible times was two types?

First was the preaching God's prophets did before our common era (b.c.e) back then the nation of Israel had two Kings the first is their God who brought them out of Egypt and conquered all inhabitants of Canaan for His worshipers to inherit the place this King is a Spirit who lives forever the other kings were humans that Israelites later demanded for themselves! 1Samuel 8:6-7
Their real King (God) has the right to send town criers (prophets) to deliver urgent messages or warnings to them so this prophets (town criers) can stand in any of their streets or cities to deliver the message of their God (King) at any time.
But in our common era (c.e) things have changed a lot the Israelites had turned against their God (King) countless times {Matthew 21:43} so this King or God no longer send town criers (prophets) to enter into their streets shouting.
WHY? Because by the time Jesus walked the earth another nation out of several nations that's been ruling over Israelites is in charge of their public affairs so it is inappropriate for any town crier (prophet) to enter the streets shouting in the name of any God as their rulers may take such as disturbing the peace in their domain that's the reason why God did not send John the baptist into their towns or streets when it's time for this prophet to declare the coming of Christ rather this prophet was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1
So it was in the wilderness that faithful Jews were going to meet this prophet to know the message their God had for them! Matthew 3:5-6

After Jesus (a carpenter) got baptized by John it was revealed to John that this is the Christ that John came to prepare the way for {John 1:33} so Jesus took over the job from John the baptist and from that moment John began receiving less attention while Jesus started getting more {John 3:25-30} that was how Jesus began preaching and teaching and all the people were going to him.

QUESTION!
Was Jesus shouting in the streets?
ANSWER!
NO!
He first gathered his trusted childhood friends and started going from house to house preaching and the theme of his preaching is the same as that of John the baptist {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} but instead of shouting in the wilderness he approaches doors and greets householders before delivering his speech this reminded his disciples of what has been foretold about the Christ:

Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.  He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street. No crushed reed will he break, And no smoldering wick will he extinguish. In faithfulness he will bring justice. He will not grow dim or be crushed until he establishes justice in the earth; And the islands keep waiting for his law. Isaiah 42:1-4 compare to Matthew 12:19
So Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching of God's Kingdom message from house to house and door to door so that his real disciples don't disturb passersby with noise. They are to go and knock people's doors, greet householders and ask for permission to speak before delivering their messages! Matthew 10:11-13
Do you know a religion whose preaching and teaching activities is the same as this today?
God bless you and may you have Peace!

femi4:
Hope you know the meaning of crowd
Hope you also know the meaning of "Woe"

A crowd means a large number of people not passersby!

femi4:
Steven is another good example...the method was approved. In fact, the bible says he was filled with the holy spirit

Stephen wasn't shouting in their streets rather he was about to be executed that's why he started preaching to his executors who thought they were doing the right thing by stoning him to death!

femi4:
In fact, if John the baptist was going about it the wrong way, Jesus would have corrected him

John never preached in their streets or cities rather he was shouting in the wilderness! Matthew 3:1

femi4:
Matthew 23 - Woes to the Pharisees
23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do.

The crowd gathered listening to him he wasn't shouting in their streets to passersby?

Kayberg:
And the Apostles?

They followed his footsteps CLOSELY never shouting in the streets in fact it was even a crime in Jerusalem back then for anyone to shout in their streets speaking about Jesus who was executed as a criminal and their rulers has expelled whoever claims he believes in Jesus from their Synagogues!

Kayberg:
Either they listen or not, say it.

You are not the one who commissioned the work so we will obey the master who did the work and taught us how to do his work!

femi4:
What you quoted had nothing to do with preaching the gospel.
In fact, Jesus in the temple and whenever he's addressing the Pharisees was different from what you put there.
We should be careful on how we quote scripture out of context

Please help us quote where Jesus was shouting in the streets as preaching?

Thank you in advance!

cornelboy:
Well said sir

Haaaaaaaa!
Cornelboy my brother!
Where have you been all these while?
Ọmọ i miss you o!

MightySparrow:
The question is direct: how many palaces have you visited, or your paradise is not meant for kings?

Direct the highlighted question to Jesus!

A traditional ruler wanted to enter God's Kingdom so he came kneeling before Jesus saying:

“Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Luke 18:18

Jesus responded:

“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.  You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother.’” Luke 18:19-20

The traditional ruler said:

“All of these I have kept from youth on.” Luke 18:21

Jesus responded:

“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” Luke 18:22

The traditional ruler left Jesus right there and walked away with grief!

Finally Jesus said to his disciples:

“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25

So lesson learned:

Whoever can't humble himself to put all worldly riches and prestige behind him to accept the work of disciple making with Jesus' followers as in going to visit people in their homes surely is proving too big for Jesus so such a person cannot enter God's Kingdom!

MightySparrow:
So, how many palaces doors were you able to knock at? Is your organization not sent to kings?

You need to read the instructions from Jesus again:

"When you enter the house, greet the household.  If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you.  Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city." Matthew 10:12-15

Jesus is the judge he never taught us to treat anyone special so whoever doesn't open his house to welcome us when we enter their streets Jesus has told us what to do!

immortalcrown:
Do they shout like the ones in Nigeria do?
There are also shops and motorists in UK but they are not as noisy as the ones in Nigeria. Stop distracting yourself with your denial of the reality.

Please why did Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya, Oyedepo, Mouka, Oyakilome and others not speaking against this?