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FreeIgboho:
Ok, there is a grand conspiracy amongst all historians in the world to say that "Jehovah" is a mistake - a mistakenly totally made-up word that has little to do with the name of God!
Keep deceiving yourself

In ancient times how many nations agree with Israel?

FreeIgboho:
My friend, if your mother decides to join JW and after a while decides it's not for her and leaves, you treat her exactly as you treated her before she joined. Otherwise you're a cult and you bear that title with pride!

MaxInDHouse:
Those that turned against the Christian doctrine {1John 2:19} what should other members do to them? Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

Why did you dodge the question nah?

LordReed:
You still quoted me first so that the next time you get triggered you don't start saying I am the one who broke it.

Alright Sir!

Emusan:
Can you imagine
But you're the one who claimed Sabbath is still in practice today.

Which means you don't understand the post!

LordReed:
LoLz! I think you can see that it is you who broke the agreement not to quote each other now right?

YES!
I did but not to question your position!

LordReed:
You mean you don't know the Bible is a compendium that was put together by committee? Men you really need to go and rethink your life.

This is why i don't blame atheists and agnostics saying the Bible is a myth.

How can a right thinking person say the book is a masterpiece yet he couldn't explain what is written in the book in a convincing way?

The same person said it's not a book to be understood yet he insult individuals who queries the intention of it's Author?

He keeps ignoring the fact that in the absence of a practical application which supposed to help observers grasp the intention of the author the whole thing is rubbish.

There are many books written all in the name of sacred writings and many people have fabricated stories about God/Gods of all kinds, contradictions is everywhere as if they are all speculating with nothing to show as evidence of the presence of their God/Gods.

Any intellectual will ask for the WORKS of this so called "God" in the midst of His worshipers so that we can all observe what this God is up to.

If it's just about what is written in books then we have to start going through thousands of books written about thousands of Gods after all none of these Gods has showed up for a verification!

A true carpenter can only be justified if products having to do with carpentry are not missing in his showroom, a true chef should be able to cook good meals, a true physician supposed to have drugs for different kinds of ailments in the same manner the true God should be able to maintain PEACE among His worshipers who are from different nations, tribes and ethnic groups.

The universal definition of God is Supreme Being and no one is can claim supreme if there is no peace among His subjects.

In the absence of a practical application that's working out real benefits among adherents either the Author or Translator is wrong!

Emusan:
Always shouting with the Help of God's Holy Spirit when in reality there's no connection between him and God's Holy Spirit.
Meanwhile, Sabbath isn't to make the rich men give their labourers time to rest and spend time with their families rather "Israel’s Sabbath observance, was modeled after God’s own Sabbath, was intended to point to a greater spiritual rest. Just as God had rested from his work of creation and entered into an eternal Sabbath, a day which continues for all eternity, believers are to rest from trying to merit their righteousness through observing the Law and trust in Christ’s perfect righteousness. Once a believer truly trusts in the Lord Jesus he enters into God’s own Sabbath whereby he no longer has to merit his justification since he has been given the promise of eternal life"

The book Heb chapter 4 enlightened us more on this, you can read the whole chapter but get this part first:

"So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God.  For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience." Heb 4:9-11 - NWT

Please mention the name of your church where Sabbath is still practiced let's learn one or two things from them!

FreeIgboho:
Jesus clearly told you who he was - right after he told you who JohnTB was. Do you think you know the scriptures better than him, that he did not know about the prophet?
Why don't you wonder how God can be listening to a billion prayers at once or be in heaven and in your heart at same time??

Jesus said it again and again that he is the Son! Son!! Son!!! Of God not God himself o!

FreeIgboho:
And I asked you to give example of such "works" and compare to Catholics. And told you a group that stands aloof while people are tortured should NOT be talking about "works"!

Please expatiate on the highlighted!

FreeIgboho:
This "Jehovah" below or another one?

Obviously you don't understand what is happening on the Internet!

Many articles has been written against Jesus on the Internet claiming he never existed why don't you believe such articles?

FreeIgboho:
Give an example. That's just one of the cultist means of isolating members and it is one of the main signs of a cult.

Those that turned against the Christian doctrine {1John 2:19} what should other members do to them? Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

FreeIgboho:
Who foretold the coming of Moses? Did Moses ever told anyone once you've seen him you've seen God. Did the Jews ever tried to stone Moses for claiming to be God. Did any kings come and knelt to Moses when he was a child. Did any Simeon the old man or Anna the old Widow recognize him as a child, did Moses ever after anyone's soul or tell anyone to allow him into their hearts or say that he was one with God, did anyone ever worship Moses as God after he died?

Irrelevant questions!

God told the Israelites:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} just as Moses served as God's representative {Exodus 7:1} Jesus also served as God's representative and throughout he keeps telling everyone that his father is the only true God! John 17:3; 20:17

I wonder how three people forming one god could be quantiified as ONLY o!

FreeIgboho:
Neither do I know Catholics practicing pervasive either

See how your arguments is incoherent!

Did i accuse Catholics for such a thing as the works of their faith?

Ọmọ i will keep telling you that you know nothing you just feel like arguing.

The works of a group should be what they does everywhere you find them not what you heard but can't confirm when members of that same group are in your own neighborhood!

FreeIgboho:
"I Am" is simply Jewish shortened name iof God. They can't be writing all the time: "I am that I am". They simply shortened it to "I Am"

You can repeat it a million times that's not what my own Bible says, JEHOVAH is the name of our God so continue with your I AM we are OK with JEHOVAH!

I wonder why you can't stop Jesus' first century disciples from SHUNNING after all they are talking about members who leaves their group! 1John 2:19

FreeIgboho:
This is NOT what JW practices
Like I said before, none of these has anything to do with choosing to belong to a different congregation!

You called it "denominations" but those Christians back then called it apostasy because they all have the same line of thought regarding doctrine {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} so if any of them decides to go back to worship in the temple with Judaists after baptizing as one of them they will SHUN the person!

FreeIgboho:
Simple. Hundreds of years in advance, Prophets said God was coming. Someone came and said he was the God, had no sin, did miracles, forgave sins, accepted worship, rose from dead. 2025 years later he's still being worshipped as God and his worshippers blessed.
If same thing happens with ANYBODY I'd also believe they're manifestation of God. Nothing for me to reason!

When Jehovah said:

"I will go down to Egypt in order to rescue the descendants of Jacob" Exodus 3:7-8

How come it was Moses Pharaoh saw and not Jehovah o? Exodus 7:1

We told you that Jesus served as God's representative just as Moses did {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} but you keep say your I AM is three in one!

FreeIgboho:
You are the one harping on "works" when that's NOT what we're discussing. So I finally gave you one of the famous works of JW

So you don't know what works means a group can't have a work that's not what they are known for everywhere they are.

That's why i asked you if you've known JWs in your own neighborhood practicing what you called "their works"

FreeIgboho:
There you go with the false name again. YHWH is ONE God with different manifestations. One of them is the Son, Jesus.

Your friend on the other thread even said Yahweh is a demon yet he agreed with your I AM God nah so let your own God be whatever you want our own God is JEHOVAH!

FreeIgboho:
We're talking of two completely different things. Every community ostracizes. I was reading of a man ostracized and banished from his community for impregnating his own daughter. Quite different from ostracizing him for deciding he no longer wanted to live in the town thus coercing him to stay - that's the JW practice that causes accusations of cult!

So the one Paul talked about here:

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17

And the one John talked about here:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 1:10-11

Committed what crime o?

FreeIgboho:
There is nothing to reason. There is no calculation involved. Quite different from me deciding what attributes God must possess. I didn't have to reason anyhting

This is really funny walahi talahi!

There is nothing to reason but you keep saying others aren't using their heads.
Abeg if there's nothing to reason then in what way should people use their heads?

Well I AM worshipers understands their own people no matter what they say it's always in line with their god I AM!

FreeIgboho:
Of course, exactly same as I have heard of JW. Except that JW actively cover it up, conspiracy of silence!

So if you have heard it in other religions why hype the ones you've heard about JWs as if it doesn't happen elsewhere?

DeepSight:
Shunning is very un-christlike and occultic.
It is also a symptom of hatred.
Where is your sutana?
Where is your mat and your kettle?

Well you already said God's word is not perfect so there's no need arguing with you further!

DeepSight:
You mean you actually went to produce a list of posters praising you? Sweet Jesus! This takes the cake. Talk about desperately needing validation.
This is the height of insecurity.

That's the level of my understanding!

FreeIgboho:
I see you're getting closer and closer. Maybe this will help you cross the line:
They are NOT the same person. One God in three persons. Remember?

There is nothing like three persons in one God Jehovah is one person! Mark 12:29

FreeIgboho:
Not true at all. Many JW want to leave but scared of shunning

The question is did Jesus initiate such a thing among his disciples?
YES or NO?

FreeIgboho:
No mind am DeepSight.
I didn't go silent at all. I just haven't gotten to it because I have so much to reply. Here's the reply:
I haven't seen any Catholic Rev Father on my street abusing a little boy either.
Now you say it's in every church - same way works are in every church, my buddy!

But have you heard of child abuse among Catholics in far away lands?

FreeIgboho:
Thank you very much. JWs MaxInDHouse and Janosky argue against it like their life depends on it

You still don't understand what we are saying!

The personality of God is revealed in Christ Jesus as he put on the attributes of his father but that doesn't mean he is the same person!

FreeIgboho:
I asked you show me where Jesus said if someone leaves the church they should be shunned, instead you showing me dispute settlement

Wow!
And i expected much more from you o!

Well there is no single person who leaves the church without first having an issue with someone in the church so it's when such a person refuses to resolve the issue that he or she will stop attending the church completely.

Note how Jesus laid down the procedure then ending it with all members of the church shunning the person.

Well at least you've seen that members of the church shunning one of them is supported by Jesus you may now choose what to say or do about it.

If she has paid you in the dream then try never to take it back again because that is a sign she is willing to pay back but it's not possible for her to fulfill her heart desire. God will pay you back in multiple folds all you need to do now is speak kindly to her assuring her that things will go well with her and that you've seen her willingness to pay back but things aren't easy then assure her that you're no longer expecting it and if she still needs your assistance she should not hesitate to ask for it.

Do this without delay and go into your private room to pray to God because you have seen in the dream that a way to financial breakthrough is about to open for you, pray fervently for this breakthrough because it's certainly on its own!

FreeIgboho:
If you really insist on discussing works here, show any charity that JW have, compare to, say, Catholic charities. A group that did not lift a finger to help fight inhumane Jim Crow against blacks in US is talking about works! Because "they are not of this system of things"! But they'll suddenly be part of these system of things and go to court when it affects their cash cow!

Who is talking about works designed by humans?
Ọmọ we are talking about WORKS that's resulting from FAITH in what Christ Jesus commanded.
Charity could be done by any religion so we are not talking about something that all kinds of religion can perform rather we are talking about WORKS that only those adhering to Jesus' teachings can do!