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FreeIgboho:
What do you understand worship to mean. Why did Peter and others say "don't worship me" if no one was worshipping them?

Those people called Jesus' disciples by the name of their Gods and brought out the items they use for the worship of their Gods!

FreeIgboho:
He answered a HYPOTHETICAL question.
Just like if someone asked you "If it was proven there is NO God will you still be a JW?"

Well i don't have to drag this with you he has spoken for himself!

FreeIgboho:
I've told you before, many things are clearly implied in the Bible without being said explicitly. If someone told you he is God and doesn't object when you worship him, what does that amount to?

Nobody worshiped Jesus the word your I AM people misconstrued is OBEISANCE not worship so the only way to establish this is by quoting Jesus himself demanding worship from his disciples otherwise what he said is:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

And also said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." John 20:17

Ọmọ it's clear enough that Jesus is just a worshiper of my God but if you want another Jesus you can create that for yourself!

FreeIgboho:
But I know what he said - which is what any soncere, open-minded person would say

You misconstrued his statement, he is a REAL atheist and not just a professed one so he will never ever agree that there is any God no matter your proof!

FreeIgboho:
Not only was he worshipped, he ACCEPTED worship - unlike any other person in the history of the Jews till date. Any other person would rebuke you for trying to worship them. He was worshipped in numerous instances, with both individuals and groups acknowledging his divine status through acts of worship. See some below

You keep jumping around when i've my stand clear.

Just quote where Jesus said his disciples should worship him that's all!

FreeIgboho:
This Max. can't you read? There was no mischaraterisation! Reed said if it were proven to him that the Bible is true he'd believe Jesus is God - like any opn-minded person with no preconceived notion of God!

You don't know him like i do so leave the matter it's of no sense to him!

LordReed:
Your mischaracterisation can lead them to thinking I have shifted my position is the point.

His mischaracterisation can't change his comment nor yours i take each person for what they say not what others say about them!

FreeIgboho:
Now he's my Jesus. No more pretending, eh? At least now you have shown your real self. Good! Stop pretending just for the forum!

Your Jesus differs from mine so it's not the same Jesus you and i are talking about that's why i say "your Jesus"
But you can still prove that you are talking about the Bible Jesus by presenting where he said we should worship him as our God!

FreeIgboho:
You're always invoking picking up of weapons but you cozily enjoy the safety and security afforded by picking up weapons. It's like saying you're against taxation but enjoy all the amenities afforded from taxes!
You sound so fake and pretentious focusing on Jesus, knowing fully well your organization do no such thing. What good is anything you do about God if you don't believe he is God??
You've been arguing since forever that Jesus is just a messenger like Moses and that his "I am" was just the way he spoke. When clearly, his "I am" was meant to convey he is God. Not only that, he KNEW the Jews would understand that to be what he meant - because it was what he meant!! He didn't just want to come out and say it plainly because he knew they'd kill him for it, he just didn't want to be killed before the appointed time!

Well i think i've made myself clear enough so stop calling my name at least you have people who believe in your I AM go and worship with them or is your Jesus crying over those who doesn't call him their God?

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't met true Christianity that is the same thing i thought before i came in contact with the true Christians!

True Christianity was commissioned by Jesus the founder to unite believers globally {Act 1:8} but it's a pity that group name has been profaned by politicians practicing false religion yet claiming they are Christians!

FreeIgboho:
The word for ANYONE who professes belief in Jesus is "Christian".

Funny enough if you believe i am also a Christian then why the agitation in the first place?
After all each of you can face any direction you wish!

Well let me poke your bubble the guy is still associating with Jehovah's Witnesses even though he said he doesn't want to be one of us.

So how do you quantify such a person?

FreeIgboho:
They always said "... through our Lord and Savior Jesus", which JW never do.
The concept of thanking Jesus is present and encouraged throughout scriptures. Early Christians constantly expressed gratitude to Jesus for his sacrifice and salvation.

You are still setting up a standard that's not made mandatory by early Christians yet you keep on agitating as if that's what Jesus commanded his disciples to do!

Well let me enlighten you regarding the WORKS of true believers on planet earth today.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:7} his wise counsel will help millions to set aside racial prejudice and embrace one another as brothers and sisters globally {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Zephaniah 3:9} that is what Jesus taught his disciples to achieve globally {Act 1:8} so that believers in Christ will not raise weapons against their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} and later they must extend the same kind of love to all their neighbors! Mark 12:31

When we preach and teach about God's Kingdom under Christ Jesus we are telling whoever is willing to listen that our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus is coming to judge all matters just as he promised {Revelations 22:11-12} therefore we don't pick up weapons for justice because we BELIEVE in Jesus who said:


For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Matthew 16:27

So throughout the earth today Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered millions of like minded people who are patiently waiting for Jesus to come and do justice to the badness on this planet therefore none of them lift a carry weapon against his neighbor due to injustice!

Lucifyre:
Can you imagine, earth born?! When they say take educational seriously, it sounds like a joke. Who is earth's mother?! How long was she pregnant with earth. I would like to know, not the one in a book written by iron age peasants but for certainty. 😁

So in a nutshell you don't have any idea about when Yahweh was born neither when earth was formed shey?

Thanks for your time!

FreeIgboho:
He's obviously a Christian like you, but obviously doesn't belong to a cult group like JW

He is not a Christian like me!

My own type of Christian believe in the works of just one organized group of Christ followers called "Jehovah's Witnesses" so if he doesn't believe in the same group as the only true disciples of Jesus Christ then he is not like me!

FreeIgboho:
Just to show you not everything has to be verbatim.
People obviously implicitly thanked Jesus in the Bible.
Point is, we know JW are far from Jesus-centric, quite the opposite. That's why you sound so fake

So what you are demanding is your own standard or yardstick not found in God's word!

FreeIgboho:
EXACTLY!
Maxindhouse come get some education, you and Janosky!

What is the religion of the person you are quoting so we can learn from his church?
Thank you!

FreeIgboho:
Quote a verse where they said
"Thank you Jehovah God" as JW always say.
He's just an angel to you folks, just another messenger like Moses, so why your pretentious focus on him on this forum.
You don't realize it, but it sounds so fake!

Ha!
Your problem is complicated!

Who is demanding such from you?

Are you not the one claiming Jehovah's Witnesses must say something to prove they believe in Jesus?

So you're the one who should present a scenario where what you're demanding was made compulsory not the other way around!

FreeIgboho:
I'm embarrassed for you using the name "Jesus" on this forum when your JW cult doesn't habitually use the name at all. What they say is "Jehovah God". Go to any JW discussion group or see a JW thanking, they NEVER say "thank you Jesus" and very rarely say the name. So what's all this your pretentious focus on Jesus when you know fully well it's a lie?

You said "a believer is someone... in order to solve some problems facing mankind or his own race."
What "problem facing mankind or his own race" has JW solved lately. Regale us

You see the problem you have now?

Instead of focusing on what Jesus taught and commanded his disciples to do you are agitating on what some religionists infused in your mind.

OK prove that what you are demanding from Jehovah's Witnesses is practiced by Christians in the Bible by quoting a verse where any believer in the Bible said:

"thank you Jesus"

After his departure!

FreeIgboho:
Maxindhouse and janosky please see the below. Even an atheist agrees that Jesus would God if the Bible were true

You are just deceiving yourself with false reasoning because you don't know what you are saying yet you keep arguing blindly.

First of all you and your other friend tctrill are atheists but both of you don't know it.

An atheist is not just someone who claims to be atheist rather it's someone who doesn't trust any source of guidance other than his or her own mind hence he will never bow to anything that has to do with collective responsibility towards any deity.

OK you claim that Jesus is the I AM in the Old Testament and many of your friends say the same thing but what do you guys agreed as collective responsibility towards Jesus whom you people call your God? Each of you just mimick the slogan "Jesus is Lord" and off you go with nothing binding you and your fellow so called believer on what Jesus ordered as assigned duty for his disciples {Matthew 7:21-23} instead each of you just practice whatever you wish not in an organized manner as Jesus commissioned the work! Matthew 15:7-9

The one and only organized people who are unitedly doing something worthwhile claiming Jesus ordered them you called "CULT" {Matthew 10:24-25} but where is the WORK of this your professed FAITH?
Nothing to show for it! James 2:18-26

I can tell you confidently that there is no atheist on this forum who doesn't know me because i always tell them that some of them are just claiming atheists but are confused believers while many atheists are claiming believers.

A BELIEVER is someone who trusts a source of guidance so he will always try to encourage others to think along that same line of thought in order to solve some problems facing mankind or his own race.

An ATHEIST is someone who doesn't trust or believe in any source of guidance he is hopeless as regards what has to do with collective responsibility towards achieving anything positive in the lives of his fellow human so he only believes himself and nothing more.

Now prove that you are not an atheist by presenting a group of people that you agree with to work for Jesus and how you people are organized in doing the work.

Please let me see the work of your faith in this your I AM.

You haven't met true Christianity that is the same thing i thought before i came in contact with the true Christians!

There are many lessons we can learn from Jesus of Nazareth:
God's Son! Matthew 11:28-30

Say what you know i don't see how any reasonable human will leave that just to start looking for ways to provoke others who are joyfully speaking about their faith!

MightySparrow:
I will run my ministry like Jehovah's Witnesses where they don't talk about money and do not use money at all.
Jehovah is the only provider, who will provide for his ministry using fish like for Jesus and Peter.

You were disappointed with disgrace on the other thread when the person you wanted to manipulate typed this:

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

I've told you that i'm not here for you my type will read my comments and pick up what they need to learn so it's time to stop bothering yourself you and i aren't on the same page!

Christianity was founded on selfless service, the founder established a system that's none beneficial for financial gains.
Jesus depends on his fellow believers for whatever he needs materially because he never got married nor have children it was easy for him to move around with nothing to worry about everything he used came from his fellow believers who voluntarily used whatever they had to support his ministry and also taught them to share whatever they have among themselves.
So it was difficult for anyone in the first century to commercialize Christianity as the founder is against such financial gain from the work he assigned to them.

Jesus taught his disciples that if anyone is willing to do the work he assigned to them it's from the heart such a person should determine what he wants to do for his or her God. In life we feel like living it to the fullest so whoever believes he or she can't focus totally on the ministry without looking back at the material things of the world could also be a Christian making his schedule for secular work, marriage, rearing children and at the same time setting aside time for his ministry.
Most of Jesus' friends were married by the time he got baptized so after his return from the wilderness he started calling them to join him and because they knew one another from childhood they followed him but those who weren't married at the time remained unmarried because they don't want to complicate things for themselves while married ones continued the struggle.

However both the married and unmarried Jesus promised they will rule with him in heaven.

Why?

Jesus said:

“However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel" Luke 22:28-30

So if anyone wants to serve Jesus' friend in our time it depends the condition of his or her heart, you must be dedicated to the work even though you are married Jesus knows what you can do he wouldn't demand more than that from you that's why he said:

"Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves. For my yoke is kindly, and my load is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

A yoke is what is placed on the neck of two animals of equal size and strength in ancient times so that both of them could work easily alongside each other.
So when Jesus said "take my yoke upon you and learn from me" he is telling you to be his coworker carrying the same burden together, note that the animals that are yoked together must be of equal size and strength but in this case Jesus is telling you that no matter how feeble you may be he is ready to work with you coming to your level which will make you an achiever despite your limitations.
So whether you are fully burdened with marriage responsibility or single Jesus is ready to work as your partner and make you successful in your ministry {Matthew 19:10-12} just make sure your life is simple and free from greed! Matthew 6:22-24

May you have Peace!

Lucifyre:
Damn this is what happens when religion puts one's brain in a box. You can't think outside said box. I also said the earth is 4.5billion yrs old, do you want to know when it was born too? 😄

Yes of course!
Please were you there when the earth was born?
If not how did you know all of these?
The age of Yahweh and that of the earth, please i will like to know too not just what someone else told you in a book but for certainty.
Thanks!

donnie:
answer in the Edit...
Nsi... They surround us and are among us; some as angels.

Can they help or harm us?

donnie:
Nshi/ Nsi: that's what it's called in Ejagham, Efik, and Ibibio.

I call it Adeshi (Ejagham), meaning:
Those that are saved...
Those that are being saved...
Those that save...

Notably, Adeshi also appears to be the etymological root of the term rendered as Hades in later Greco-Roman interpretations. This semantic shift suggests that what was once a term for the community of the redeemed or spiritually potent (ancestors, saints) may have been reinterpreted through colonial or theological lenses as the underworld, thereby distorting its original redemptive context.

So where are they now?

Lucifyre:
Who said Yhwh was born, I didn't know he was born, who's his mother??

This is your post:

Lucifyre:
How could Yhwh who's barely 3500 years old have created a universe 13.8 billion years old. Only in mythology.

Please how do you know the date of Yahweh's birth?

Lucifyre:
Lol! so you even know you lie 🤣
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Walahi talahi i never knew until you told me but may i confirm the truth by asking you how to ascertain the day YHWH was born?

As a Christian how is your ministry going and how do you intend to expand your ministry without monetizing God's work?

Nnamdipapa:
What does Kumuyi know about women dressing and why should anyone listen to him?

At least he could be seduced by a female who chose to dress provocatively as he can see with his eyes {Matthew 5:28} that is enough reason for him to tell his followers how women around him ought to dress!

We only need to emulate the Son of God in thoughts, words and actions that's the import of calling someone God's Son!