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Human government instill fear in the minds of their subjects but such fears has temporary impacts since they themselves are dishonest.

The love to do things right has grown cold just as God's Son foretold {Matthew 24:12} that's what is affecting youths globally not just African children the reason why Africans seems to be most affected is the condition our rulers put their people as they wish to live big at the detriment of their subjects! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

Janosky:
You claim that not all angels are morning Stars. Oga, you are implying that some angels did not celebrate or " shout in applause " after creation of Man. Las las your opinion is against Job 38:6-7.

He is just a joker claiming what he has no idea about.
All i just want him and his cohorts to know is that Jehovah's Witnesses only save our time and energy for humble people who are willing to learn not argumentators making no meaningful impact.
He thought it will be easy to explain what he is not fully prepared for i'm off his useless thread allow him continue to play around!

FreeIgboho:
Find one verse that says:
"Moses (or anybody) is not an Angel"
That's all I need.
Ridiculous, trying to prove the negative. So if there is no verse that says I'm not God, that means I'm God! Ridiculous and infantile!

All these nah grammar you yourself said you don't know how to define your God so whatever anyone says about his or her God shouldn't be a problem for you nah.

From Genesis to Revelations no verse said "Jesus is God" he kept repeating that he is God's Son just as angels are also God's Sons and he came from heaven where angels live with God so logically this Jesus is one of God's spirit Sons (angels) being the first born simply means he is the first creature made by God but since your mind has been channeled to think Jesus is God anything you read that negates such thought you quickly dismiss it then seeking verses and twisting it to fit into your narrative.

Ọmọ i've told you the simple truth.
There is nothing you can say to change the fact that Jesus is the firstborn of God and that makes him a creature like all others he creating things doesn't remove his God and father from the scene it simply means God empowered him to do a lot of things that's all!

Just one verse that says:

"Jesus is not an angel"

That's all i need!

FreeIgboho:
Too many to quote them all. Let's just quote only New Testament:

John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

Now, mention anywhere in the Bible where ANYONE implied that Jesus was Angel Michael.

So my good man, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, you'd not only know who Jesus is NOT, you'd know who he IS!

FreeIgboho:
Why don't you quote where the Bible says Jesus is Angel Michael

Why don't you quote where the Bible says Jesus is not angel Michael?

FreeIgboho:
This sounds so ignorant! Jesus is the light to God,
He is the light that symbolizes God. Morning star in this case carries a symbolic meaning. It does NOT mean angel. Read it below again

I thought you're going to quote the Bible to prove that Jesus is not a morning star.

Please keep those references to yourself if you want me to take you seriously quote the Bible!

Lucifyre:
At least only you used your hand to type and assert it, not me😅. Maybe holy/unholy spirit confused you cause you lie too much. 😄

Lie!

Well that means you always speak truth since you know the difference between truth and lies shey?

FreeIgboho:
Morning star refers to group of angels.

And Jesus is one of them. Period!

FreeIgboho:
Where do you see that all angels are morning stars.

while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? ‭Job 38:7 NIV‬

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 KJV

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? Job 38:7 NWT

I hate talking too much!

FreeIgboho:
Ok o. Jehovah's Witnesses know Jesus better than he knows himself. By the way, I notice they never mention Jesus, only "Jehovah God", meanwhile they won't adopt the attributes of "Jehovah God" like war-likeness. That's why despite everything your organization is devoid of spiritual empowerment, only dry human morality.

Angel Michael had come to earth in various forms and roles. No prophet, angel, person, or he himself ever came close to saying he'd be returning as Christ or in any way connected him with Christ. Well, things DON'T happen like that in the Bible. Huge things like that are touted and retouted - example, the coming of God (Jesus), which was clearly stated, yet you don't believe it, but believe what is neither said nor implied anywhere in the Bible!

Guy, just go straight to the point!

Is Jesus a son of God?
Are angels sons of God?
Is Jesus a morning star?
Are angels morning stars?
Does Jesus depend on God for survival?
Do angels depend on God for survival?

The simple answer to all these questions is "YES" so how do you think he is not one of the angels in heaven before his earthly life?

Unless you can prove that there are other beings in heaven who are not angels and at the same time equal to God!

Emusan:
Which means He exists BEFORE CREATION STARTED.

He is the first creature that's why Bible called him the "firstborn of all creation" {Colossians 1:15}

No firstborn that's not part of those being born!

Lucifyre:
Wow i didn't know honestly, at least until you educated me now. Didn't know millions of your own brothers and sisters care about stopping faithful people from living up to their faith. You learn everyday. Thanks.

Anyhow you wish to twist my comments at least you know that millions put faith in God's word and nothing can stop them from worshiping their God!

That's his true identity as an heavenly being before his earthly life so whether you agree or not millions of people have been taught this truth and they are one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as the scriptures foretold about Michael's earthly mission so it's you who doesn't know the identity of your own God we know our God is not Jesus because Jesus was one of the many angels worshiping our God as His spirit sons!

FreeIgboho:
I HONESTLY don't understand for the life of me how anyone who reads Jesus' words can say he was Angel Michael!!!.
HE HIMSELF said who he was! He said JohnTB was Elijah. He could easily have added that he himself was Angel Michael!!! At his baptism the Father could have said "Here's Angel Michael, my beloved son" He didn'tl!! No mention of Angel Michael in anything concerning Jesus!!!!!!

Here's Mathew 16:
13 Now when Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, [a]Elijah; and still others, [b]Jeremiah, or one of the other prophets.” 15 He *said to them, “But who do you yourselves say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the [c]Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon [d]Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are [e]Peter, and upon this [f]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you [g]bind on earth [h]shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you [i]loose on earth [j]shall have been loosed in heaven.” 20 Then He gave the disciples strict orders that they were to tell no one that He was the [k]Christ.

The first angel (archangel) existed before other things and he was with God during the creation of other things {Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16} so just as God used Adam to start populating planet earth He did the same thing with the archangel (first angel) that is why both of them were called God's Son! Luke 3:38; John 3:16; 1Corinthans 15:45

Emusan:
@color-red is the key point here.
Before Creation no entity exists EXCEPT GOD, all Angels are CREATED BEINGS which means no single one can be BEFORE creation.
So, John 1:1 shows "The Word WAS with God and WAS GOD" before Creation is perfectly grammatical accurate because anything IN THE BEGINNING (i.e at Creation) no longer valid.
Let's recap:
1. You already agreed that there's no different between A GOD and GOD.
2. You already agreed that The Word predate CREATION (i.e BEFORE CREATION) and as stated in the scripture.
3. Now placing The Word as Angel (created being) negate the two stance above.
The implication is:
You unanimously used the phrase "BEFORE CREATION" which means you are claiming the Word is UNCREATED. Do you realize that?

Trymeee:
God bless your wisdom sir/ma. But then, what's your view on the tithing? Is it supposed to be or just a way of extortion by supposed men of God and gullible followers.

It's modern day Pharisees using the Bible for extorting money from gullible people!

Emusan:
So what is The Word was before becoming God before the Creation?

Good!

Moses was a man before Jehovah made him a God {Exodus 7:1} likewise the Word was an angel (spirit son of God) before God made him a God.

Remember in the Bible book of Job it is written that the morning stars are God's children {Job 38:7} in the same manner the spirit son of God who became the Word is also one of the morning stars but the Bright one among them! Revelations 1:5

So the Word was an angel or God's spirit son before creation!

Trymeee:
And if I'm to answer this, we have the 10 commandment which Jesus was talking about here. He further simplified it into two, love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbours as thyself. No where was tithe mentioned in the commandment. Furthermore, I just told the etymology of tithing as a mosaic law to put food on the table of the priest.

No single law given to Moses applies to Christians!

We have no business with the laws given to Moses but these church pastors have complicated everything due to greed.

An Israelite must live by the laws Moses read to their ancestors and whoever wish to join them back then must also live by the same laws because it's the covenant between them and God until another prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter told Judaists in the first century that Jesus is the prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses! Act 3:23-26

But you may ask:

"Can a Christian steal, kill, fornicate and worship another God?

YES! If Jesus does any of these things!

So Christianity is about putting on the new personality which is in Christ Jesus that is the law of Christ that surpasses the old covenant!

God told the ancient Israelites:

"Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." Exodus 19:5-6

Then God also warned them:

You must not spread a report that is not true. Do not cooperate with a wicked one by becoming a malicious witness.  You must not follow after the crowd to do evil, and you must not pervert justice by giving testimony to go along with the crowd.  You must show impartiality in the dispute of a poor person." Exodus 23:1-3

Lastly God said to the Israelites:

“‘Cursed is the one who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person.’ (And all the people will say, ‘Amen!’)

Did the Israelites keep these admonitions?

NO!

They lied and killed God's prophets mercilessly {Luke 11:51} Jesus told them that their land has been abandoned to them {Matthew 23:37-38} and their glory given to another nation producing what God required from them {Matthew 21:43} they condemned God's only begotten Son before a pagan ruler who told them he washed his hands because Jesus is innocent! Matthew 27:15-24

And they told Pilate the Roman governor:

“Let (the guilt of Jesus') blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25

From that very moment the angel of God stationed inside the temple in Jerusalem left that city never to return again! Matthew 27:51

Though the original inhabitants of Israel has been scattered throughout the world {Luke 11:23} still the current dwellers detests the mention of Jesus so much that they intends jailing anyone who dare mention the name of God's Son in their country.

Now what do you think about such a nation?

Lucifyre:
No one cares man, no one cares. There are better things to do than shadow boxing, don't you think so bro max 😁

You're living in your own world!

Millions of my own brothers and sisters CARES if you don't have anyone to care about you i do have millions!

I learned this from Jehovah's Witnesses so i can tell you that only Jehovah's Witnesses knew this!

Trymeee:
Thanks for elaborating, does that mean the pastor's know this truth about tithe but demanding it is just a bad habit that can't be stopped?
My mother attends living faith and I remember when I was younger.... The tithing announcement goes thus: TITHING IS A CONVENANT REQUIREMENT FOR FINANCIAL REST AND BREAKTHROUGH, EVERY TRUE WINNER IS A TITHER. does it mean the pastor's knows tithing is not Christianly and it's just a means of extortion? Or they read a different bible from ours.

Janosky:
The JW's returned huge sum of money the owner forgot in his Keke.
I applaud and commend his outstanding quality of honesty. The label you give to JW's exist only in your head. It won't stop JW's from doing good.

At least it's a Jehovah's Witness who did what brought laughter to that woman! Matthew 5:14-16

Let any of them mentioned the name of their church and what a member of their church did!

Janosky:
Max, I greet you Bro. How your side?

My brother, one of them mentioned "Jehovah's Witnesses" i wouldn't have responded to their nonsense!

CodeTemplarr:
Did Jesus move around nakęd seeing that the first man n woman were naked before they sinned?
Or was it a case of what was to come in due time being fasttracked due to sin?

If you are alone with your spouse do you need clothes on?

Emusan:
Jehovah is a God

Excellent!

That's what Moses and Jesus said about their God:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

Jesus said about his God:

"God is a (one) Spirit" John 4:24

In English language one person is equally a person!

Emusan:
So, if the Word became God in the BEGINNING of Creation, what is The Word WAS before Creation?

What was Moses before God made him a God? Exodus 7:1

Lucifyre:
😅 Im trying to be a good christain nau, isn't that what it's all about, making baseless undemonstrable assertions and taking it all on "faith". I'm quite sure I'm doing it right, so ask Yhwh for the " day he was born", he'll reveal it in the spirit. Peace be unto you. 😄

Funny enough you can continue whatever pleases you at least you can't stop faithful people from living up to their faith!

Exactly what Muhammad thought when he walked the earth only to find churches practicing what totally differ from Jewish religious system.

Of course Muhammad knew something is wrong with what they called Christianity but there is no way he could figure it out because he doesn't have what it takes to unravel the mystery: God's Holy Spirit!

It's what God demanded from Israelites after sharing the spoils of the land that God recovered for them nothing was given to the paternal tribe of Moses (Levites) {Deuteronomy 10:9} God commanded all the other eleven tribes to bring in the tenth parts of their profit (note not tenth of what they make, this means if someone earns ₦200,000 monthly his tithe is not ₦20,000 because he must remove all his monthly expenses it's the remaining which he will save that's to be divided into ten and one part brought to the Levites. If you are a farmer whatever you make on your farmland is to be assessed you should remove all the cost so it's you gain that's to be divided into ten parts not the whole produce) Deuteronomy 14:26-29

But after the people had worshiped false gods they were punished and they turned against their God and anything that has to do with Him yet they want to continue living on the land He acquired for them so they stopped paying their tithes which led the Levites out of the temple in search for what they will eat with their own families! Nehemiah 13:10

So the worship of the true God was left unattended to as Levites who supposed to officiate in the temple had to go looking for what they will eat that's why God sent Malachi to call the Israelites {Malachi 3:10-12} to order because they are robbing Him of His right as He bargained with their ancestors that He will give them the land if they continue to do all what He commanded them! Exodus 19:5

But by the time Jesus commissioned the new form of worship (Christianity) the works assigned to Levites was no longer required and there is no need for animal sacrifices or a geographical locations for pure worship where everyone must come {John 4:22-24} yet Pharisees kept demanding tithes from the people who were carrying a heavy burden from the pagan nations ruling over them that's been taxing them but as for what God warned the Israelites against regarding those who are to be exempted from the payment of tithe i.e widows, orphans and stranded travelers {Deuteronomy 10:18; 14:29} so Jesus cursed these cruel religious leaders for demanding tithes yet neglecting the main reason why God instituted the tithe! Matthew 23:23

In the Bible book of Acts the Christians did not practice tithing among because Jesus never mentioned it as part of what they should practice but Jews who later embraced Christianity were still going to pay tithe in the temple secretly thinking Malachi's message is for them that's why apostle Paul called them to order telling them that tithing is no longer required in Christianity! Hebrews 7:5-12

God bless you and may you have Peace!

Lucifyre:
Didn't know the only way to know is to be present. Certainly explains all the confusion in xtianity and the bible as non of you even the writers were there. lol!

So you just made an assertion that's not founded simply because you wish there is no God!
Well for your information the name you wish to bear "Lucifer" simply means the morning star:

*How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isaiah 14:12 KJV
*How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! ‭Isaiah 14:12 NIV‬
*How you have fallen from heaven, O shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, You who vanquished nations! Isaiah 14:12 NWT

And that's what God called all His spirit sons {Job 38:7} except Jesus who only had "BRIGHT" in addition to his own title as one of the morning stars. Revelations 1:5

So stop being hopeless there is God and a BRIGHT FUTURE for faithful people you may wish everyone become hopeless like you but it's not helping you in anyway!

Lucifyre:
You mean the god you've been worshipping all this while didn't tell you his birthday? Ain't nice nau.

I thought you know the way you typed as if you were there!

One of the son of God but he is selfish and arrogant!

Lucifyre:
There is no heaven or hell, that's just undemonstratable superstitious nonsense. How could Yhwh who's barely 3500 years old have created a universe 13.8 billion years old. Only in mythology.

Please can you help me with information on the date YHWH was born?

Emusan:
Waooooo so WAS GOD means Jesus is neither God or A God.

Do you even understand that John 1:1 at all?

"In the beginning WAS The Word, and The Word WAS with God, and The Word WAS GOD"

If you're to write this as an English speaker, how will you pen it down?

It simply means the Word became a God in the beginning of creation {John 1:1} unlike Jehovah who is God from everlasting to everlasting! Psalms 90:2