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If i talk you will say it's Jehovah Witness version and Jesus is for all churches worldwide.

Well JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't believe in the idea of Hellfire God said sinning souls will die {Ezekiel 18:4} so at death nothing survives humans! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

You can go ahead and convince those churches you claim are for Christ as for Jehovah's Witnesses we already know that!

MightySparrow:
maximumSide what do you say?

And what concerns me with the business of your Papa Oyedepo?
He sacks his worker just as other CEO in the world will do to any worker that mismanaged their business.
In God's organization the word "SACK" can come to mind because we are not doing any business it's either a Christian is reproved if he is repentant {Luke 9:55} or disfellowshiped if he is unrepentant. Matthew 18:15-17
Jesus never SACKED any disciple!

Zaheertyler:
If two have become one then I have a question
Can you beat yourself?
Can you insult yourself?
Can you look down on yourself?
Can you shout at yourself?
No be craze be that

It's easier said than done, the scriptures said it but it's difficult for imperfect humans to put it into practice.
Two can't become one if the both are not ready to make SACRIFICES in other to make it work, in fact the marriage bond supposed to be the strongest cult ever just that it involves only two members the man and his wife!

"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it" Matthew 11:12

Before John the baptist no one could become a part of kingdom co-rulers with the Christ as those who will rule with the Christ must learn how to become selfless totally in whatever they do. They must forgo all their dreams and surrender completely to the lifestyle Jesus lived after his baptism. This is something really hard for imperfect humans and Satan keeps waiting to discourage or attack anyone who wants to follow Jesus' footsteps knowing fully well that God can't pick from those who never got the needed training to rule with Christ.

So with that anyone who wants to become a co- ruler with Christ must see himself as dead because his carrier in the pursuit of life ended the very moment he chooses to follow Jesus.
Therefore it takes a big (spiritual) struggle or wrestling to become part of that team.

That is the import of Matthew 11:12

Michael547:
You are not done explaining how Abraham is a Christian and a born again.

Pride is the problem most people have.
He jumped into the thread thinking he's coming to argue with MaxInDhouse unknowingly to him that Max doesn't have his time anymore.
If he keeps arguing blindly that Abraham WAS a Christian i don't think he's ready for the truth!

Jesus' disciples often ask him questions when they are not fully convinced of what he said but when they are convinced they continue to savor the information as they digest it.
What convinced you that Jesus was right when he said John the baptist is Elijah to come?

MindHacker9009:
Now you are going to sleep because you have no answer

I didn't intend answering you in the first place rather i was concerned about your apathy towards Christianity yet you confessed to that their is WISDOM and GOODNESS in Christianity.

MindHacker9009:
Tell us what good is your organisation that does not like Jews, does not like Christians, does not like the army and does not let any of their members serve in the army but you are all using the internet that was developed by the US Army and top Jewish scientists.

It's OK go and sleep!

Youareforgiven:
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

So it's the use of translation that makes you feel Jesus of Nazareth is Yahweh?

Well the phrase translated "I am that i am" has different interpretations so Jesus is not Yahweh!

Youareforgiven:
You are agree with me on this, do you also agree with me that Jesus Christ is Yahweh of the old testament. Jesus Christ was God in flesh... For your own good, you should.

Well i only agree with the scriptures not you so if you believe that Jesus is Yahweh in the Old Testament then you have to explain using the scriptures because that's what i agree with not you!

Michael547:
Lol...my brother....he is my teacher here....so I'm simply asking him questions to prove his teachings.

You should know by now that he's no longer himself rather he just don't want to loose the hailing his friends were giving him that's why he keeps on arguing.
Normally any intelligent person would have known that he's not qualified to teach when he can't adequately answer the questions posed by the student.
That's why he's using emotions to stop you from further pestering on the matter.

Lucifyre:
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And how does this address anything.

It does!

If you're asked to use what you experienced in life to teach your child will you go into academics or what the child needed to start his own carrier in life?
It's only when you want your child to practice your profession that you must teach him what has to do with your profession but if not then all the child needs from you is fatherly care.
That's what the Bible is all about it's not a SCIENCE TEXTBOOK!

Michael547:
Can you Kindly show me where Jesus indicated that the rich man and Lazarus was merely a parable and not literal in Luke chapter 16.

Walahi talahi Michael you like wahala.

Why not just free the guy nah?

He begged us to agree to disagree we said no and now he has admitted that he was wrong as nobody could be a Christian if such a person never met Jesus or learn about what Jesus taught.

So why giving him all these stress?

LOVE PEOPLE--MAKE DISCIPLES

@ Section 1, Lesson 4 under HUMILITY
Point 5 says:

Do not insist on making a point! .

Truth found in the scriptures!

@ Matthew 11:11-14 we read:

Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. For all, the Prophets and the Law, prophesied until John; and if you are willing to accept it, he (John the baptist) is ‘E·liʹjah who is to come.

And @ Matthew 17:10-13 we read:

However, the disciples put the question to him: “Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” In reply he said: “E·liʹjah is indeed coming and will restore all things. However, I say to you that E·liʹjah has already come, and they did not recognize him but did whatever they wanted with him. In this way also, the Son of man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist

From the two highlighted scriptures we found out that Jesus is implying that John the baptist is the long awaited Elijah. Malachi 4:5

First of all the Jews knew very well that Elijah was not a Jew rather he was a Samaritan and secondly he was taken up to heaven by chariots of fire. So if Elijah should return he could have either been born in Samaria or descended from heaven just as he was taken but instead he was born among the Jews.

So if we want to explain using the scriptures to help a modern day Judaist what evidence does Jesus of Nazareth and his disciples have in the Old Testament to ascertain that John the baptist was truly Elijah?

A young Jewish man in the first century named Jesus of Nazareth is first BORN in God's house so he commissioned a group to help Jehovah's Witnesses connect their kind throughout the earth the group was known in the first century by the group name "CHRISTIANS"
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are faithful, loyal and obedient humans who love God with all their heart, soul, straight and mind {Mark 12:30} due to Adamic sin inhabitants of the earth did not know God's will so they wanted to stay in just one geographical location {Genesis 11:4} whereas God wanted humans to live in virtually all the earth {Genesis 1:26-27} that is why God confused their language and they scattered each person going with whoever is able to speak his or her language {Genesis 11:5-9} they moved along with their idols yet God loves them and looking forward to a time when He will unite faithful, loyal and obedient ones among them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} so that they will all speak as if they're conversing in one language {Zephaniah 3:9} that is what Jesus of Nazareth came to do.

Jesus' ministry is the beginning of a new dawn for Jehovah's Witnesses as they move around the planet to connect their kind {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Malachi 3:16} through the work Jesus commissioned which is preaching and teaching obedient mankind those involved in this work are called CHRISTIANS but it's not all CHRISTIANS that are ready to endure to the end {John 6:66; Matthew 24:13} those sticking to God's arrangement come what may after knowing God's will are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

In the year 1931 God began calling His true worshipers by that new group name {Isaiah 65:15} because that's what He intended calling all His faithful servants from the beginning! Isaiah 43:10-12; Hebrews 11:4-34; 12:1

That will be tantamount to diversion!

The Author has a purpose for which the Bible was written it has little to do with science, economy, commerce, geography, mathematics and other subject matters.
So little is mentioned about all these but when it comes to the main theme of the Bible it carries all from the beginning until now:
GOVERNMENT

How did humans get here?
Why do innocent people suffer?
Why wars when everyone want peace?
What happens to us when we die?
What will happen to our planet in the future?
How can we cope with life's anxieties?
What about our love life?
How can we raise well meaning children?
How do we live peacefully with neighbors?
Why is human government cruel?
Who is behind human government?

The Author of the Bible claims He is God who created all things so as the SUPREME BEING it's peace and security that matters most to him but as for other subjects He has given us the privilege to figure out all of that when He said:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

Humans will forever continue to discover more and more things as long as we live! Ecclesiastes 3:11

Michael547:
I told you he would get tired😂.....he wanted us to agree to disagree...I no gree for am.

LOVE PEOPLE MAKE DISCIPLES!

Stop making a point where there is nothing to gain but you're really something.

Michael547:
Ok go and give an affirmative answer to my question in my post.

You're really trying o!

Well it's my thread and i have spoken my mind so whoever is not comfortable can open his or her thread.
The point has been made!

Great thread!

Sin against the spirit of God!

The restoration began in the year 1914!

Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Plants are medicinal and useful for our health {Psalms 104:14} herbalists and other medical personnels knows how we can make GOOD USE of these herbs.
But at times medical personnels may be wrong in their opinions for instance transfusion of blood was approved by medical personnels at some time but God's word forbids intake of blood into our body. Genesis 9:4; Act 15:28-29

So consider what the Author of life says before taking medical personnels seriously their knowledge is limited!

Kingsempires:
so the scenario is that Jesus is[b][/b]"the son of God".
Is if Jesus is the "son of God".
Then is it evil to worship the son of God?

After the event where Jesus commended Peter for making that comment in the following chapter God said about Jesus:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

You will notice that God only confirmed what Peter said and commended by Jesus and added one more thing: "listen to him"

According to Jesus all true worshipers of God are his brothers because we are wordhipers of one God {Mark 12:29 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4} who is the father and God of all:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

The Greek word translated WORSHIP could be rendered in two ways:
WORSHIP or OBEISANCE

Where it applies to God the Almighty it should be rendered WORSHIP but where it's used for others then it should be rendered OBEISANCE.

Some translators misconstrued that Greek word where God told everyone to OBEY Jesus and rendered it WORSHIP but from what Jesus himself said worship should go to only one person and that is his father who is our father and his God who is our God! John 20:17

We don't tell others what to do or not to do we only present what we know from God's word i believe you can make your own decision from here.

Please i'm unfollowing this thread afterwards so if you have further questions ask me on my own threads.

Good morning!

johnw47:
God didn't start calling and name your group Jehovah's witnesses in these last days
rutherford/a man, stated calling and name your group Jehovah's witnesses in 1931.

It's not that easy to know what God has declared such things are spiritual.
For instance when God declared some people righteous in the Bible did He made it public for all inhabitants of the earth or just within His worshipers?
So if you're not spiritual there are many things you will continue to argue about thinking you're fighting for a just course.
When Jehovah said:
"This is my Son with whom i am well pleased" Matthew 17:5

It was only three humans that were present at the event. Now imagine how millions living on the earth will feel hearing the witness of just three men who heard that statement directly from God. Till today millions of Jews don't believe the testimonies of those three men yet you will claim you believe because it was written in the book you cherish so much.

So you need to understand how God often declare things and what are the vivid evidence that you can see, his other disciples believe not just because those three men told them but they were carefully examining the scriptures to see how events are unfolding afterwards.

In the year 1931 it was announced that God's people will now be called Jehovah's Witnesses most religionists thought it was a joke but today which group is active in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all our neighborhood just as Jesus commanded his disciples?
Which group is globally known for their love among themselves?
Which group is most hated by all other religionists?
Which group is no part of Satan's political system where people are killing people?

It's only the group known globally as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

johnw47:
all the saved are witnesses of YHVH

Not all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are saved yet because most of them don't practice what Jesus taught but they've been noticed by Jehovah who searches all hearts {2Chronicles 16:9} that's why they were declared righteous for surrendering to the righteousness of God.
Only BORN AGAIN Christians are saved for now because they will not be here on earth when Satan is released to test the inhabitants of the earth for the last time. Revelations 20:5-6

Michael547:
Oga of your interpretation of Galatians 3:19 is correct, bring out a translation that contradicts mine. Simple as ABC.

How far?
I have told you that he's just a time waster!

MightySparrow:
You don't know Jesus you argue about?

You've always say it's delusion so why bother yourself again?

Kingsempires:
explain

When Jesus walked the earth there were lots of speculations regarding his identity due to his unequal supernatural gifts that no prophet has ever had.
So many begin to wonder who is this young Jewish carpenter claiming to be with all these wonderful works.
That's why he asked his disciples to tell him what the Jewish people who have seen him and his miraculous gifts thought:

When he had come into the region of Caes·a·reʹa Phi·lipʹpi, Jesus asked his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?” Matthew 16:13

His disciples responded:

“Some say John the Baptist, others E·liʹjah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” Matthew 16:14

After hearing other people's opinion he turned to his own disciples:

“You, though, who do you say I am?” Matthew 16:15

Then Simon Peter in behalf of his other friends of Jesus responded:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16

Jesus commended Peter and said God revealed it to Peter ! Matthew 16:17


So today if you're thinking of same question is it not best i refer you to what happened when Jesus himself was here?

Thanks for your time!

MightySparrow:
I have joined him to ask

I have no business with you, go and ask your Papa whatever he tells you is your part.