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AbuTwins:
I asked what is worship?
Why is bowing to humans without God's permission okay but bowing to stones not okay?
Or is it that only Muslims' own get fault?
This is your David bowing towards the Holy temple!
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2
This is your Solomon!
1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.
This is David again!
Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.

This is David again!
Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.
And Daniel got on his kneels and prayed facing Jerusalem!
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.
Ignorant hypocrites and liars!
Who told you we worship the stone from our texts?

There was no Temple in David's time so he was talking about the presence of his God not an object. Note that Moses bow before the burning bush when he heard God's voice that's a sign of respect for the person talking to him. But in the case of Muslims the black stone is of no significance so it's just an object!

AbuTwins:
How is this biblical?
The Church should report! If you don't report it then you condone it. You are always against the laws and constitution of the land!

You need wisdom walahi talahi!
It's whatever you can't resolve amicably within you that should be reported not what you can settle within the family.
For instance the EFCC do arrest fraudsters but if your own wife or son or daughter steal your money will you report to the EFCC?
Ọmọ even if they know you will say it has been settled, that's the meaning of a family!
It's because your Allah is not a living God that you find it hard to see your fellow believers as members of your family that's why you often fight to kill them when you can't resolve matters among yourselves!

AbuTwins:
If David did that then he should be stoned!
There's nothing like family issue. The soul that sins should die! That's what your Bible say!

You misconstrued God's word because the soul is precious to God that's why there is room for REPENTANCE sin that God can't forgive is that which the sinner refuses to accept discipline.
David slept with another man's wife and killed the husband but why didn't God kill David?
Because he was repentant.
King Saul didn't do up to that yet he was rejected because he was adamant.
That's the difference!

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind him
He's just using you to gain relevance on NL

He is really worried that there's no way he can rub off the name of God yet keep the name of the son.
The original pronunciation of the divine name is lost and even if we have it today we must translate it the same way we translated Jesus' name. So if it's important that we stick to the original pronunciation then there's no reason translating the name of God's son too!

AbuTwins:
So I ask you again what is worship?
If bowing, Kneeling and putting the face to the ground is worship then all the above are pagans!

The culture of Asians is to bow before someone they RESPECT like an ELDERLY person just as Yorùbá will do before our elders.
I remember when a Congolese first came to Nigeria seeing us doing so for elderly ones he objected furiously saying it's like worship in his own culture. So those people showed respect not worship that's why the commandments God gave Israel never said they shouldn't bow before a human because it's a sign of respect in their culture rather God said don't bow before OBJECTS! Exodus 20:4-5

AbuTwins:
Are there not fornicators in your midst that you excommunicate?
For example, in 2015 in Australia, the Jehovah Witness recorded 1006 cases of Child sexual abuse from 1950 and none was reported to the police! And there are many cover-ups within your organization which if you want we can proceed to expose here and you defend them!

Excommunication is for UNREPENTANT sinners not those who feel sorry wholeheartedly.
We only disfellowship anyone who is not ready to accept he or she is wrong because that's the first step into helping the sinner.
If you say we don't report wrongdoers to police who do you expect to go and make the report o?
We are one family and a member of the family did what is wrong of course it's a family issue nah it's when something like that involves none member of the family that the person who is not a member of our family will go and report to those whom he or she trusted can handle the matter in the best way.

Take for instance David's son molested his own sister abeg who do you think will go and make the report to the elders of Israel?
Is it not within the same family?
So in God's organization it's a family issue that is why you can't see us picking weapons against anyone or our own brothers and sisters unlike you people who will report to the police and when they failed to do what you want it will turn to community fight between Muslims and Muslims!

Aemmyjah:
Question
No insult
Will you attribute your mother as terrible?
Yes or No?

Spiritual meaning of Lion in the Bible is justice.

The four living creatures around God's throne have four different faces! Ezekiel 1:10

MAN'S face representing LOVE which is God's predominant quality.

LION'S face representing JUSTICE.

EAGLE'S face representing foresight (wisdom)

BULL'S face representing energy (power)

So when the scriptures called Jesus the lion of the tribe of Judah it simply means he is completely impartial when handling matters!

Emusan:
Liar!
Let me refresh your memory again:
"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use..."
Direct from the horse mouth

You're missing the point in what you're quoting!

What is the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION of the name Jesus?

If it's important that we stick to it's original pronunciation then there's no reason why we should translate or transliterate it.

I am Akeem if i travel to Brazil and i happen to have a friend he can't think of translating my name nah he must pronounce it exactly as i told him.

That's the import of the comment you kept quoting!

The TRINITY!

Emusan:
God that there's no DIVINE NAME there you just added to it. Like I said, there no DIVINE NAME, it's just your own delusion. So, just like your organisation says if the name is so IMPORTANT God would have PRESERVED the pronunciation. You're the one who is looking for what is not. The New Testament is so clear on THE NAME Christian should operate under.
That's why you can't provide just a single verse where something was done with the name Jehovah. It never even appears in the first place.

Even a Jew was shocked after reading those verses because it's clearly stated that there is a divine name so if you don't want it we know why!

Emusan:
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’[a]—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them." Exo 6:3

"Then they will learn that you alone are called the Lord, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over all the earth." Ps 83:18

Can you point out where you see Divine NAME in the two verses even from your NWT?

Exodus 6:3 NAME of the Almighty God.
Psalms 83:18 NAME of the most high God.

You can't deny that there is no name in those verses you can only pretend to continue arguing because you don't want to admit that there is a DIVINE NAME!

Emusan:
Who called it DIVINE NAME?

Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18

AbuTwins:
So you think all those people over there are Muslims?
And one other thing!
In cases of emergencies who attends to them?
Like someone fainting or the likes!
And many ritualists have been caught by these securities!
So Grandpa please sir use your brain!

Of course i'm using it to the fullest!

Your fellow worshipers can't help during cases of emergency because the black stone they're worshiping will be annoyed for the break in transmission to save the life of a worshiper!

And there are RITUALISTS in your midst even after all the things you people read about your Allah, prophet and book?

Ọmọ you just kept making it more amusing!

Emusan:
the original pronunciation of God's name.

So there is a divine name which Jesus said he made known in his time! John 17:6, 26

AbuTwins:
Christians can mix in to come do evil!

This is the funniest thing you have said in this year!

How can you imagine that people who has been warned seriously by their leader never to harm anyone {Matthew 10:16} come into the midst of stone worshipers to do evil?

Ọmọ just admit that you people aren't having the same line of thought so you need security guards to keep watch over the worshipers of your black stone even though they claim they're worshiping God.

Emusan:
That's it!

Let me drop the Watchtower statement since you're afraid to mention what went wrong about the name Yahweh that Jesus didn't use.

"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language." The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever p.7

Here Watchtower is telling you to your face that the Divine Name isn't necessary today.

That is why the only name used throughout the NT is the Name Jesus, that is why:

1. It's on the basis of Jesus name that people will receive remission of sins.

2. It's on the basis of Jesus name True Christian will be persecuted.

3. It's on the basis of Jesus name people were healed.

4. It's on the basis of Jesus name we are to BE HIS WITNESS.

because salvation is found in no one else and there is no name given under heaven that men will be saved. Acts 4:12

So anyone doing anything outside Christ name

So there is a DIVINE name that we need to know but it's pronunciation is what caused the argument shey?

Then the name Jesus also has issues since it's not what his contemporaries called him!

FxMasterz:
Solomon was the one who built the temple. It wasn't it existence in Dave's day. How can David bow to a temple that didn't exist? You Ignorant Muslim.
David wrote a portion of the Psalms, not all the Psalms. Research before calling someone a liar for educating you.
May God open your eyes. They even said Abraham built the ka'aba. Liars!

The Hebrew word David used may also be used for TEMPLE but there was no Temple in Israel in David's days so what does he have in mind?

It should be noted that the word Temple refers to a place of worship where the name of each God is placed therefore when David said "Temple" he was referring to the congregation of God or the assembly of God's people which is the spiritual temple that's higher than anything man could build.
That's why Paul told his fellow disciples that it's not the physical temple that God counts rather it's the congregation or BODY of worshipers that God view as His holy temple:


And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” 2 Corinthians 6:16

Emusan:
The Father is Almighty God
Jesus is Almighty God
Holy Spirit is Almighty God.
Which means the Three are ALMIGHTY GOD.

Now you're making a lot of sense!

During the call to prayer in Mecca you will see security guards standing around the stone while worshipers are bowing towards the stone.

Questions:

Are those guards not Muslims?
What are they guarding against?
Are there criminals among Muslims?
Is the call to prayer not for the guards?

Simple!
To scam the self righteous people who will not put on earrings and makeups and those who feels it's not a serious matter.
Unlike Kumuyi who lost so many fans due to condemning makeup, jewelries and sexy clothings Adeboye is a diplomat who knows that would lessen his chances of making more money.
So today someone who likes Deeperlife style of righteousness and another who like Christ Embassy lifestyle can both claim they are under the control of the same Holy Ghost at the Redemption Camp!

PulsingPurple:
You mean to say I stopped disturbing you because you weren't replying my questions? And because you were changing topics and making unprovable claims in order to divert my interests? Unlike you that argues for clout, I argue to make a point. And I think I made my point, which is reminding you and everyone that followed the conversation that you're still deceitful, still a liar

Even Jesus was a liar to the Pharisees and other first century Jewish Rabbis so if you ask me a question and i ask you a question the way forward is you answer me first before expecting me to answer you.
I never invited you here in the first place!

Emusan:
At this level, you still don't know that Jesus actually prayed to the Father.

Emusan:
The fact no one can deny is that Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD, those who have problem with are those who doesn't understand their Bible.

So who is the father that Jesus was praying to?

Is it a less mighty god?

AbuTwins:
What does School of thoughts mean in Islam?
Which different schools of thought claim Muslim groups?

Do you support the activities of Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS, Al Kedah just to mention a few of terrorist groups fighting and killing people and claiming they're Muslims?

AbuTwins:
Show where the woman repented? Show where she begged to be forgiven before we continue?

Brainwashed zombie! So while dragging her to a place where they will stone her to death she will be arguing with them that what she did is lawful or begging for her life?
Are you this dumb?

AbuTwins:
I have said it earlier you were never a Muslim before. You just keep proving me right by spilling more ignorance about Islam. There are bad Muslims just as there are bad Jehovah witness. Your Bible says ALL MAN have sinned which includes Jesus!

There are bad Muslims and what is the provision in your Quran to discipline them in the way of your Allah?

AbuTwins:
Anyone who killed for religion does not mean he is following that religion! At least Jehovah did kill apostates and disbelievers in the Old testament and you didn't blame Him!

Jehovah ordered the killing not of His loyal worshipers but in your Islam who are the ones that aren't loyal that are killed during the war between Iran and Iraq?

AbuTwins:
So when there were wars in the old testament Jehovah was dead then?
Ignorance at its peak!

JEHOVAH ordered the killing of those who are enemies of pure worship not practicers of pure worship that's the difference!

justlove91:
My parents and siblings are Muslims, most of my friends are either Muslim or Christian and I'm loyal to them even though we don't have the same beliefs, so what are you saying??
I don't think there will ever come a time when everyone on earth will have the same beliefs and there is no need for that. Everyone just needs to live by the Golden Rule and we will create heaven on earth in no time.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm now i know why you don't grasp what we're discussing.

For your information everyone on this planet wants the Golden Rule but then there is one supernatural being who will never allow it to work.
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES has the key to render this supernatural being inactive in our midst as for the rest no matter how they want to keep the Golden Rule Satan is very much around to manipulate them into doing the exact opposite of what they intend to do.

For instance if the Golden Rule is working then how come people are still killing people?
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES knows that it's not just about the Golden Rule but someone really powerful is behind all the mishaps affecting people's brains! 1John 5:19

CaptainJune:
You and I see the Holy Spirit's manifestation, you see the signs and gifts of the Holy Spirit in manifestation, the miracles and power of God demonstrated in the lives of people as I have witnessed His miracles in my life, His fulfillment of His Word, His incontrovertible proof of existence that agrees with His Word. The Apostles of old, and witnesses (now dead or alive) testify to the same thing, and the Apostle Paul even said if he himself or any angel or anyone preaches any other besides Jesus let them be cursed. There is no other name under heaven given by which any man can be saved but the name Jesus.

Do you think other religions don't have some similar experience regarding their Gods?

Ọmọ when you hear names that are attached to the Gods of the nations know today that it's one supernatural event or another that makes them believe strongly in their God.

So your supernatural experience doesn't mean others don't experience the same! Matthew 7:21-23

CaptainJune:
If the judgment of God against sin is physical death then why did Jesus have to descend into hell to strip the devil of his power over death, and lead the captives away? Who were the captives? Ephesians 4:9. This is over 5000 years since Adam. If they were dead, how were they still captives? Is a corpse ever considered to be a captive?

Jesus died and his SACRIFICIAL DEATH is the only basis for resurrection of all those in the grave not that Jesus went anywhere during those three days. He was lifeless in his grave just as the scriptures said {Ecclesiastes 9:10} until God raised him from the death! Act 3:15

This is what i'm saying that you don't understand what you're quoting!

AbuTwins:
As I said earlier, you are extremely ignorant as a Muslim. Males are to go the mosque for congregational prayer while women are mostly to pray at home!
The basis is to learn the religion as we learn life affairs in school or artisanship and not necessarily following any Alfa or school of thought!
Which different schools of thought claim Muslim groups?

Do you want me to start listing the groups that are terrorizing our neighbours throughout the earth? Of course these groups are claiming Muslims and they have different schools of thought that's what makes them different from Yorùbá Muslims here who are tolerant!

AbuTwins:
Did God told you to excommunicate? Those verses where not referring to you! When the adulterous woman was brought to Jesus did she excommunicate her?

She was repentant!
As in begging to be forgiven, if any sinner does the same nobody not even the Governing Body can disfellowship such a person from our midst because the only ground for someone to be disfellowshiped is unrepentant attitude!

AbuTwins:
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No, they have successfully created a cult that is now adapting to the realities of other Christians denominations! We'll see more of how you loosen up like other Christians based on your Governing bodies dictates!
The GB raised zombies that will worship them!

Zombies peaceful and never protesting against constituted authorities.
That could have made Islam the best religion on this planet if it could happen in your religion but as it is your Allah, Muhammad and Quran has no hold on you people other than bowing towards the black stone that's why you people are easily brainwashed by politicians to start fighting and killing one another even though you've met on mount Arafat you will gladly kill him for tribalistic, nationalistic and heroism not thinking a bit about what your Allah, prophet or Quran says about SALAM (PEACE) among you. So those you called zombies are far much better than Muslims!

AbuTwins:
As
We obey Allah and the messenger He sent to us!
Not Governing bodies!

Sure but there's no evidence that your Allah is alive otherwise there shouldn't be wars among those worshiping your Allah! 2Timothy 3:5

Catapault:
Look, Mr Man. Maybe you're a Jehovah's witness or 7th Day Adventist or something.
Even if you consider yourselves more 'holy' than regular christians, it doesn't mean there's anything special about you. Anybody can select the most pious section of its religion and claim they are the best thing since slice bread. Islam has such sects too.
According to wiki,
''In the 13th century, Salim Suwari a philosopher in Islam, came up with a peaceful approach to Islam known as the Suwarian tradition.
The Senegalese sufi sheykh Amadou Bamba (1850–1927) spearheaded a non-violent resistance movement against French colonialism in West Africa.''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism_in_Islam#:~:text=In%20the%2013th%20century%2C%20Salim,French%20colonialism%20in%20West%20Africa.
Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Hinduists, and African religionists have VERY PEACEFUL RELIGIONS.

Guy you need to upgrade your IQ, it's not just about being peaceful in one locality if so all the groups on planet earth could be peaceful if allowed to pick a location where only their religion will stay on this planet but when i talk about PEACE it's much more than you could imagine.

Jesus commanded his disciples to take the peace message to all the nations of the earth {Matthew 28:18-20} and prophesied that his disciples who are peace makers will gather all peace makers on planet earth to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So it's not just claiming you don't fight wars it involves going to your neighbourhood to help them reason that it makes no sense fighting and killing one another.

That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses unique not just the claim.
For your information Jehovah's Witnesses have helped millions of people throughout the earth from all the continent and countries to learn this fact and these people have formed a global family of peace loving worshipers just as that book says! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If all the people on this planet are Jehovah's Witnesses there will be no more wars or famine in any place!

CaptainJune:
Every other book that denies the Lordship of Jesus Christ is of the devil. Only Jesus, our God, loves man so much to come to earth and die for Him. Every other false god wants the blood of man. See the difference?

Have you heard from other religions or you're just being delusional over what your pastors told you?

CaptainJune:
Are you making futile attempts to twist everything I have said so plainly? Your conscience is part of your spirit. It is the part that tells you that you are doing wrong but ignoring it kills it steadily so that eventually it dies. Asking whether conscience goes to hell or not is like asking whether a person's hand can go to hell while his other parts go to heaven? It is illogical such question.

Your idea of Hell is what you're mistaking since God never told Adam and Eve that they will be roasted alive forever if they rebel against Him rather what God told them is a return to none existence {Genesis 2:17} which is logical from a sane perspective, God offered them a choice which is life but they proved unworthy of life it will result to death which is a condition where they won't have to be a menace to themselves or others! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

As for Adam's descendants who proved to be a source of worthy praise to God with their way of life God intends to bring them back to life {Job 14:13-15} the sight of living creatures going through excruciating pain is disgusting to the true God! Jeremiah 7:31

So the idea of tormenting living creatures forever is totally unscriptural, if you want to know what Jesus taught you have to humble yourself and learn because he spoke in parables! Matthew 13:13, 34

Aemmyjah:
Where's the originals?
Remember, I can cite references o
When I cite, you'll say it's not authentic

Funny guy wants to talk about disfellowshiping among God's people but in his own religion it's amputation of limbs or beheading the sinner.

Abeg which is barbaric between the two?

DeepSight:
Na wah oh, so Max you can reason properly when you want to. The only problem arises when defending JW fundamentalism.

That's the one and only group practicing pure worship so when it comes to reasonableness i can prove to you that what i believe is irrefutable!

CaptainJune:
God has differentiated Himself from all other false gods by introducing Himself as the I Am, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not only that, He has given proof of His existence in numerous ways without number. No one has excuse.

The highlighted is false because there are thousands of religious books all claiming to be inspired by God and none will tell you that the God they're talking about is not the Almighty.

So you can't conclude that what you read in one book is sufficient to prove that all other books aren't from God.

CaptainJune:
Do not confuse yourself. I said God judges them based on their works and conscience where they have not genuinely heard the Gospel. However, where you know the Gospel but you reject or refuse it, God will judge you based on whether you received salvation or not as well as your works. That does not mean your conscience is not a witness against you or for you...it very much is.

OK so they need the gospel but when they're not convinced they will be judged or their conscience becomes useless once you have presented your gospel to them?

Which one goes to hellfire, the one who can't make any sense of what you're saying or those who has no conscience?

CaptainJune:
A person formulates ideas. The words I speak are not mine but God's. They are not my a product of my thoughts. They are God's Word Himself.

"There are many Gods" 1Corinthians 8:5

So if you speak about God and another person speaks about God it's the attributes that will help a listener to know the God you're referring to.

As long as your God is different from another person's God you can't claim yours is the true God until it's verified through what everyone can see as proof!