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Emusan:
But He was called Yeshua/lēsous
Now that you agree that Jesus never called God, JEHOVAH.
What did Jesus call God during His time?
Jehovah is a formulation, Jesus wasn't formulated. I never kick against the Name Jehovah. I only said KJV made mistake by using Jehovah in a certain verse because it was never appears their and then asked you do you also agreed that NWT make mistake as well?
And scholars even favoured Yahweh as more accurate than Jehovah. This is where your problem started from and reason why you've been going around displaying your ignoramus.

Did his contemporaries call him JESUS, YES or NO?

justlove91:
Bible God is clearly wrong

That's what we are discussing right now it's like someone is wrong on the matter but since you concluded that the (Bible) God is wrong then you have to prove how right you are not just by the nightmares of some people rather what we can all testify to!

justlove91:
I don't have anything against the OP, let's analysis the first paragraph
The idea that the Source of All That Is, the Supreme Intelligence, has arranged an everlasting torturous FIRE to burn people “forever”, ie for trillions upon trillions upon trillions of MILLENNIA simply because they did not “believe” something during their 70 odd years on Earth is so manifestly IRRATIONAL and INSANE, that even the belief in its truism is a sign of mental disorder.

From these paragraph, anyone can deduce what the OP see as irrational.
1. That there is a literal fire that burn people.
2. That anyone that enters this fire stays there forever.
3. That this fire is created by God.
Now let's compare the points with the spirit teachings.
There is a literal fire
When I say dark plane I don't mean a place with literal fire that roast people. It a place where people with evil propensity is grouped together and they create a condition of hell for themselves.
We can see the hell different rival gangs in Lagos for example create for each other. Now imagine a place with hundreds of millions of beings with evil propensity, there is no fear of police or jail, they can act out their evil desire on each other to whatever extent they desire. They can experience the most painful torture and there is no death to ease the pain.
Also, because the place they are is a thought responsive place, these evil inner qualities are reflected on the environment, so there is no flower, light, music or anything that can please the senses or heart.
So, there is hell but there is no hellfire.
Anyone that enters this fire stay there forever
The condition of hell is not permanent or forever. Hope is eternal, even beings that have sunk to the deepest hell can "climb" out of it.
This is because hell is just a reflection of their inner state and when they begin to change their inner state from one of evil, selfish and greed to love, compassion and kindness, they begin to climb out of it to a better place and no power in heaven or earth can make them stay in a place that is not in harmony to their improved inner state.
Hellfire is created by God
Hell is not created by God, imagine the other side as a giant 3D mirror reflecting the inner qualities of each soul as an objective reality.
This means even the light planes are not created by God but a reflection of the inner qualities of being leaving there.

Guy the point is the same:

Good people will cross from here to a better condition while bad people cross into a worse condition the fire or whatever is just spices the point remains that death is not the end of living creatures.

The Bible God says DEATH ends all life so at death creatures seize to exist! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

The two books were inspired by different Gods!

One focused on how His worshipers will have a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah:2-2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and promised that the they will be speaking as if I same language as brothers and sisters! Zephaniah 3:9

But the other only wants his worshipers to bow before him whatever becomes of them is of no relevance as long as they're fighting for dominance and forcing their neighbors to bow to him!

Hamzaay:
Christianity was brought to africa via the sword and slavery,

Read this for yourself and try to meditate this time thoroughly.

Imagine you saying:

"some sheep came into a house, slaughtered all the cows and rams then eat all their flesh"

Of course you can see the blood stains everywhere but then the animals standing you also see but can you conclude in your right frame of mind that the killers are the same type of creatures you know as sheep?

If you study Jesus' words carefully what can make you believe it's the followers of the same teacher that came to slaughter and enslave people?

Well i can't blame you that's what Islam does to the brains of normal people rendering them unintelligent!

Tellmeastory:
Well, if you don’t believe the claimed “miracles” in the book, on what basis can you believe ANYTHING ELSE about the book since it’s credibility is compromised by its falsehoods?
By its unbelievable claims?

That's where you're mistaking!

If someone told you a tiny ant fought with two Elephants and killed them even tore them to pieces of course nobody will believe that but then the same ant came around and in your own very eyes slaughtered thirty adult hyenas would you still continue doubting or have a change of heart?

That's exactly what i mean!

PastorAIO:
Well YHWH has demonstrated enough knowledge of the difference between Days and Years.

There are many passages when YHWH speaks of days and means days and similarly speaks of years and means years. It even translates between them.
Example:
Numbers 14
33And your children shall be shepherds in the wilderness forty years and shall suffer for your faithlessness, until the last of your dead bodies lies in the wilderness. 34According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, a year for each day, you shall bear your iniquity forty years, and you shall know my displeasure.’

The hebrews went to spy in Canaan for 40 days. YHWH states clearly that they spied for 40 days, not years. for each day he punishes them for a year in the wilderness. And indeed, the myth says that the Hebrews spent 40 years in the wilderness. Clearly when ywhw says days he means days and when he says years he means years.

When it was prophesied that the messiah will die and be buried for 3 days then rise again it is understood to mean 3 of our 24 hour days. Not 3 years. So this your wuruwuru attempt at an excuse is just too pathetic.

Well at least you can see that God's word said a day in God's eyes is like a thousand years in man's calculation {2Peter 3:8} and Adam never lived up to a thousand years. Genesis 5:5

Ọmọ that's enough!

Tellmeastory:
You can NEVER prove that a man flew up into heaven from a a dinner table after rising from the dead and climbing out of his grave.

You can NEVER prove that the said man walked on top of a sea without sinking.

You can NEVER prove he raised the dead, changed 3 fishes to 500, or changed water to wine.

You can NEVER prove that a man lived in a whale’s belly for 40 days before coming out alive.

You believe UTTER NONSENSE AND RUBBISH WITH ZERO EVIDENCE, yet you have the TEMERITY to be demanding “EVIDENCE”, for actual directly lived testimonies.

It shows you are a brainwashed person.

The christians have brainwashed you.

And it’s clearly irreversible.

This is the problem with people like you!

In the comment you quoted i told you i wasn't convinced to believe what the Bible says based on supernatural events so instead of asking me what exactly convinced me that the book is saying what really happened you're here going back to what i told you wasn't the thing that convinced me!

Ken4Christ:
Tell me which of the name of the father Jesus declared with scriptural evidences. What he meant is that he has unveiled his character and personality to them.

Ken4Christ:
Tell me which of the name of the father Jesus declared with scriptural evidences. What he meant is that he has unveiled his character and personality to them.

The version you're using is what is misleading you.

Anywhere the title "LORD" is written in your Bible it's God's personal name that was written there before your translators replaced it with the title LORD.

Check these Bible books:
Exodus 6:3; Psalms 23:1; 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 24:6

Now at Deuteronomy 6:4

Moses used the divine name YHWH translated YAHWEH or JEHOVAH but your translators replaced it with the title LORD.

So at Mark 12:29 where Jesus said:

The first is "Hear oh Israel JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH" just as Moses said your own translation rendered it this way:

"Hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one Lord"

That's why you don't grasp what is happening!

Ken4Christ:
True Christians don't fight war. You are the one who called them Christians. And not everyone that attends church service is a Christian.

So why aren't you people condemning such act among you so that those joining the army may know that they're doing so against Jesus' order? Matthew 26:52

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION made it clear to all members that once you're getting baptized as a Christian you can't continue being a soldier (trained to kill)

Hamzaay:
I completely understood what you said, but you cannot be mixing truth with false hood. The moment you mentioned that muslims pray to the holy black stone and there is a deity inside, That was where I understand that there is a problem someone and it can only be one. Ignorance of the religion Islam before you left. And it's not your fault when you were young it was ur guidance fault for not allowing you seek knowledge. But as you are of age now it is your fault. Firstly, no Muslim worship the Kaaba or black stone, it's a point where Muslim must face to pray because the Proppet (Saw) knew there will be arguments after for the direct to face when praying so he made it clear. Imagine coming to a Mosque and see people facing different direction to pray.
Secondly; Muslim don't kill Muslim for religion, it was stated in The Quran (5:32) says "Whoever kills one person unless it be for murder or spreading corruption it shall as if he killed whole of humanity and who ever save a soul is asif he has saved Mankind. Highlight humanity. This doesn't not apply to just Muslim. It applies to all humans so that point is a lie. Anyone that kills is for theirs selfish gain. Here on the attached, Christian killed Christian. See article here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians.
I Will employ you to seek knowledge of islam and not what the media says about it. Read the Quran ursef bro. Peace.

Will you agree with a traditionalist who bows in the shrine of Ògún that he is not worshiping the idol but Olódùmarè the sovereign LORD?

No nah!

It's what people see you bow to that they believe you're worshiping today not someone else.

So you people are WORSHIPING the black stone no doubt about that because that's not where God lives.
Secondly the idea of people killing people when they have a King who supposed to settle matters for them is a lie. If there is any God called Allah then no Muslim should support another to wage war against his fellow Muslim due to political or selfish ambitions.
As for anyone you see in the army today learning how to go to wars they are not Christians!

Jesus the man called CHRIST commanded his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 26:52

Ken4Christ:
All that the Father is has been invested in the name of Jesus.

So Jesus was wrong for saying he has declared his father's name shey?

Emusan:
You keep exposing your ignorance the more.
Jehovah is transliteration of what
And you'll be arguing blindly on what you don't know.

Nobody called the son of God by the name "Jesus" throughout his life just as he also never called God by the name JEHOVAH.

So whatever makes you welcome the name "JESUS" which none of his contemporaries called him during his lifetime you're deceiving yourself when you kicked against the name JEHOVAH because both are TRANSLITERATIONS!

Emusan:
The name is Jesus in English, Yeshua in Hebrew, lēsous in Greek. All these are still TRANSLITERATION.

Just as JEHOVAH is TRANSLITERATION of the divine name YAHWEH!

Hamzaay:
As a Muslim, I cannot talk sef because Christians are already banting themselves. No wonder Christians are always trying to convert Christians. As Sunday business open so make sure you donate 30% to your pastorprenuer as on moniker mentioned 😀

As a FORMER Muslim this is exactly how i think back then but today i know better it's not what people claim that makes them Muslims is it?
If not then you should know that there's a way to IDENTIFY the real Christians not just saying to yourself: "Christians are banting themselves" when you don't even know what it means to be a Christian!

For instance in Islam we were all bowing towards the black stone in Mecca throughout the world yet the deity inside the black stone failed woefully to help us settle our differences amicably despite our hypocritical greeting 'SALAM' which supposed to means 'PEACE'

If we're all believers in the same God (Allah) the Quran supposed to be the supreme book with which all of us can settle our differences using the words of our supreme God, don't you think so?

But instead it's just to bow down towards that black stone that matters to the Allah the rest is not important even though Muslims are killing Muslims. The same applies to Judaists and this people claiming Christians that's why i began making research to figure out what is wrong until i met the real disciples of Christ whose line of thought are the same globally {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} and they will never ever think of raising weapons against anyone talkless their own brothers in the faith as they're using the Bible to resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves.

This is what the Bible says:


All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. 2Timothy 3:16

The highlighted in blue is where the WISDOM is if the book you call the word of your Allah or Jesus or Jehovah or YAHWEH or Olódùmarè is not powerful enough to help you set matters straight among those believing in it then your god is either dead or never existed!

Tellmeastory:
The torment he is referring to is a mental one. It has nothing to do with the burning of people in a furnace.
Look. We get it.
You believe what some semi-literate desert goat herders from 3,000 BC claimed in a colonial ‘holy book’ to what your fellow human beings are telling you today, regarding transition.
There is no single shred of evidence at all for anything you believe in your little book, including all the “miracles”, yet you have the AUDACITY to be demanding all kinds of proof from the modern testimonies of transition.
But sensible people will glean that their validity as verifiable Eyewitness accounts supersedes any silly, dodgy, no-evidence Roman texts from thousands of years ago.

You should have asked me why i believe in the book despite all the strange things it says about supernatural events that can't be verified today and i will tell you the undeniable proof that the book is from the true God!

Emusan:
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Jesus mother and Disciples will called Him the name in the Lang the speak that time.

So the name is not JESUS just as JEHOVAH isn't the Hebrew pronunciation of the divine name!

Going by the actions of the Bible God all babies are His enemies that's why He gives no provisions when He's about to destroy their parents in His wrath.
But Israelite children supposed to be His friends.
WHY?
Because His law says:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength. These words that I am commanding you today must be on your heart, and you must inculcate them in your sons and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as a reminder on your hand, and they must be like a headband on your forehead. Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. Deuteronomy 6:4-9

With the above any child that's able to talk in the whole land of Israel must be an obedient worshiper of this God and having deep respect for His prophets failure to do this makes them like all other children of pagans who are God's enemies and worse still these are children born to Israelite parents who supposed to TEACH their children the laws of their God.

So killing those children wasn't a punishment for those kids rather it's a punishment for their parents who must mourn the death of the children they failed to TEACH the laws of their God.

When Jesus walked the earth something similar happened Jesus never prayed with or for anyone until he has been satisfied with the positive response of his disciples who were ever ready to welcome the message he brought to them {John 17:8-9} but the case is the reverse when children came to Jesus and were willing to listen to him as a prophet of God Jesus couldn't hold himself against this ones he gave them his BLESSINGS he must have recalled how some children of Israelites treated a prophet of God with disrespect these ones must have been taught by their parents how to honour God's prophet so unlike adults whom Jesus withheld his blessings from until they began practicing what he taught them Jesus blessed those children without delay! Mark 10:13-16

justlove91:
There are better places other there but one thing you should know is, you have to earn it. And those lessons you called stupid are your earning ticket. You can't be wicked, selfish and greedy and expect to live together with beings that've conquered these qualities and are know kind compassionate and loving.
Infact, it is these qualities they have that made the place they live a better place just as there are worse places where those who are wicked, selfish and greedy are grouped together.
So if you don't learn the stupid lessons you might find yourself in a worse place.

Face the OP with this he needs your sermon because that's the topic of his thread:

"The idea of Hellfire is IRRATIONAL MADNESS"

Convince him that there are places worse than this planet on the other side he really needs your sermon on that.

So after all said and done the whole idea still boils down to a place of torment, this is really hilarious!

cornelboy:
We are his brothers anytime, anywhere.

He has vanished like fath after seeing the truth face to face!

Michael547:
So you are honestly admitting that the father has no name and that you don't know who bears the name JEHOVAH. What name of the Father did Jesus claim to declare in John 17:26 quoted in the screenshot below?

God's Son said his father's name is important but churchians say it's of no use simply because Jesus' name is also important!

Is it not the father who made Jesus what he is? So how come the name of the father is trashed only for the son's name alone to be kept?

Ken4Christ:
I don't know of any of my brethren fighting war. Are you in a dream world?

LIAR!

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can claim that we don't have any of our brothers who are into the killing of others but you who can't present any ORGANIZED group but calling different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines CHRISTIANS those fighting and killing themselves in Russia and Ukraine are your brethren you can't deny that because they are Christians according to you!

Catapault:
USE YOUR HEAD.
Is THIS current Earth life you are in ''a nightmare''?
Is it ''a dream''?
NO.
To you it is REAL, correct?
WHY IS IT REAL?
Whatever answer you have in your head to that question, MULTIPLY IT BY 5 OR 10.
That is what NDEs experienced.
So if anything is not REAL or is a 'NIGHTMARE', it is YOUR CONDITION HERE, not what they experienced.

All these is STORY STORY STORY if you know a better place than where you are presently and you want to go there it's a lie then if you are giving people excuses there's nowhere else that's why you are here!

Catapault:
What is even your point?
Are you saying that the experiences of these people are not real?
Or that they're all lying?
Over 22 million Americans have had an NDE in which they existed separate from their physical bodies.
And they say that THAT experience felt MORE REAL than this one.
So what are you arguing about?
There is nothing to argue about.

NIGHTMARES!

That's what people do have after watching horror movies or read terrible things so that doesn't make their nightmares a reality.

If anyone wants to prove to me that there is somewhere better than this place after they die let them go Sharp Sharp no story!

Emusan:
The name Jesus is the English translation of the Latin transliteration of the Greek word lēsous.

Yeshua or Jesus, what name did his mother and disciples called him during his lifetime?

Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved. Act 4:12

If his contemporaries like foster father, mother and disciples never called him "JESUS" then that can't be the name given for mankind's salvation.

Do you agree?

justlove91:
So how many people have you met that viewed death as going to America, what makes you think my friends and family are any different. And you forgot about the first reason I gave, which is that there are lessons we all need to learn here and teach others directly or indirectly. You want me to be a drop out?? Haba!!

Lesson kwua?

What stupid lesson am i learning in a place that's not good for me when i can move to a better place where all my needs will be met?

We are talking about a better place so there's no need for excuses if you're sure of the better place!

Emusan:
Jesus can't quote a name coined by a Catholic Mork, didn't you get it?
Jesus never USED THE NAME.
See it again.

Ọmọ in that case the name "Jesus" is also invalid his parents never called him by that name.

He is YESHUA the prophet/son of YAHWEH

or

JESUS the prophet/son of JEHOVAH

So pick one!

justlove91:
You still don't get it Bro, you can't willfully create unhappiness for others and expect to be happy on the other side it just can't happen. If I should end it now I will have to reap the grief and sadness I've caused others, it's a simple law of sowing and reaping.

And since I can't reap the fruit of unhappiness in the light plane, I will most definitely find myself on the dark plane which is not where I intend to go. Why can't you understand that??

The dark plane is not a place one should be eager to go, the wicked should really fear death.

If i believe that America is better than Nigeria and i want to leave Nigeria never to return surely i will speak with my family and tell them that whoever loves me should pack his or her luggages and off we go.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself joo!

Emusan:
Jesus only mentioned the name WHEN QUOTING THE OLD TESTAMENT but never dim it fit to use it on His own

So in a nutshell Jesus quoted the name Moses gave Israelites as the one and only God of Israel shey?

I think that's enough nah or what do you think?

Ken4Christ:
Joke of the century. Russell and Rutherford has really damaged your brain cells that you see black as white. You are in a most helpless situation.

Go and help your faithless members going to wars and killing their fellow religionists yet praying to Jesus who commanded his disciples to love everyone including their enemies! Mark 12:31; Luke 6:27-28; John 13:34-35

Go now and help them out of their madness before Satan drag all of you into destruction for disobeying God's Son yet calling his name in vain! Matthew 7:21-23

SIRTee15:
Answer my question. We dealing with new testament here not old testament.
What name did Jesus call God when he was dying on the cross.
What name of God did Jesus tell his disciples not to swear on during the beatitudes sermon. He told them. not to swear by God's name, what's the name?

Go and read the book of Deuteronomy 6:4 then compare to Mark 12:29 you will know the name!

justlove91:
What do you mean "help myself"?? Did not read and understand what I said about suicide and its consequences?? Its obvious you just want to continue to delude youself with your belief that everybody fear death. Just know that everytime you type or say the statement "everybody is afraid of death" you're deluding yourself.

OK somewhere is better than where you are presently but something gave you rule not to cross over at will and you want a sane person to see you and that your lawgiver as normal beings shey?
Omo continues deceiving yourself!