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Emusan:
Why Jesus Himself didn't use the said NAME during His time?
The below chat is for you till now No! Jws can answer that

Misinformed Churchians quoting one another!

Moses said to the Israelites:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." Deuteronomy 6:4

Jesus quoted Moses :

“The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah," Mark 12:29

Check the preface of that version you're using it will tell you that it's the divine name they replaced using the title "LORD" so that is the same name Jesus used but enemies of God don't want to use God's name in His own book Bible.

SIRTee15:
How did Jesus call God. When Jesus said do not swear by God's name, what name was he referring to?

What name did Moses gave Israelites in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4?

Ken4Christ:
Anti Christ is talking proudly. How long will you continue to serve the devil?

That's what deluded and misinformed religionists in the first century said about Jesus so i'm not surprised that you're saying the same today at his real disciples! Matthew 10:24-25

Ken4Christ:
Jesus name so mighty, so powerful and so wonderful. Hallelujah.

Deluded Churchian!

God's word says:

And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls. Joel 2:32

Paul quoted the above! Romans 10:13

Jesus taught his listeners the importance of his father's name! Matthew 6:9; John 17:6, 26

So it's the name of the Son that only matters yet the father's name is useless to you shey?

Funny Churchian!

justlove91:
I swear on my life I'm an exception to that (@bolded), when I see old people, I get jealous of them because they're about to enter the real life. My grandfather is over seventy years before he dead, my grandmother also, my father (still alive is seventy), etc, we tend to reach old age before dying in my family and the thought of having 30 plus years left here makes me sad sometimes. But ofcourse we tend to project our beliefs and fears unto others so you may not believe me but know this just because most people are afraid of death doesn't mean everybody is

Ask any deluded religionists that's the same way they will bet their life on their delusion yet when it comes to acting on what they claim to believe it's zero.

So if you're not ready to help yourself towards getting to the other side quickly it simply means you're not sure of what they told you!

SIRTee15:
Don't U get it.
Yorubas don't care if U call ayelala anyhow. It's not abomination.

But calling the name of God carelessly in Judaism is blasphemy.

My Lord and my God is not God's name in the Hebrews Scriptures that's why God's word says God made Moses a God! Exodus 7:1

Emusan:
I like that, that's why Christians who is the church of Christ are continuing to propagate the glory of Yahweh all around the world and bearing more fruits. John 15:2

By their FRUITS you will know them! Matthew 7:16-18

If they're fighting and killing their own fellow religionists after praying to their god to help them win wars that's enough to show the type of fruit they're bearing.

Jesus knew that Satan and his agents will surely bear more fruits than his disciples when he said:

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it;  whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" Matthew 7:13-14

Only a handful few finds the road to everlasting life even though they will be found in all the nations of the earth! Act 1:8

SIRTee15:
Whatever they call them is not my business. The point is to show U ayelala is not the supreme God in Yoruba pantheon. He's likely orisha or whatever....

So if someone called Ayélála while Ayélála is not what he saw it simply means they exclaimed at the sight of something amazing just as Thomas also did not that he saw his God!

justlove91:
You think I don't know from the start that this is where you're going with your question?? Lol

Well suicide is not allowed, there are lessons I'm to learn here, also the reason why one should let it happen naturally is how people react to death, I have father, mother, siblings, friends and I will have to be responsible for all their grief and sadness if I end it myself.

And because of the unhappiness I've caused those that loved me due to my selfishness, I may find myself in a dark plane which is not where I'm eager to go.

You can continue deceiving yourself death ends life that's why nobody wants to die all your friends are having nightmares yet none of them wish to die!

CaptainJune:
You keep quoting Ecclesiastes as if the whole other New Testament and Old Testament verses are useless or invisible. Why don't you quote from the New Testament to corroborate your claim? Is this not the height of deception?

Regarding what God has in mind against those who chose to be evil the Bible says their death is enough:

For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin! Romans 6:7

So what is the difference between those who are doing what pleases God and those who chose to be evil?

For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord! Romans 6:23

So coherently with what God told Adam in the beginning it's DEATH that ends the existence of all creatures but then those who have made God happy during their lifetime will be remembered! Job 14:13-15; John 5:28-29

But what happens to evildoers?

They will be forgotten in their graves to routine forever! Psalms 9:17

That's what we called ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word not just quoting parables Jesus used to teach his listeners! Matthew 13:13, 34

Ken4Christ:
I am not interested in your question about names. What is important is your salvation. If you are not born again, your knowledge of name of God or whatever will not save you.

But the name of the son is important to you shey?
Funny Churchian!

Emusan:
So Jehovah is the right name, bah?

Jesus said with the right God all things are possible {Matthew 19:26} so the organization using the right name and practicing the right thing should fulfill what is found written in God's word!

Aemmyjah:
AbuTwins knows that the Koran that was available in Muhammad time were burnt
He's being hypocritical

He said i am not a Muslim because i stopped bowing towards the black stone in Mecca yet there is nothing reasonable that makes up what they call Muslims because if there is they supposed to have PEACE (SALAM) among all those who truly believe in their Allah since that's impossible then their Allah is as worthless as the grinding stone in my village!

BeigJawnson:
Dogmas? I can't laugh. It is left with you. We will all know the truth when we cross over to eternity.

Alright then!

AbuTwins:
I can talk about Moses, Jesus and others based on what Allah says in the Qur'an!
It is proven that Moses never wrote a dot from what is now called the Old testament!
Neither did Jesus ever wrote anything of the new testament!

But the Qur'an existed during the time of the Prophet of Islam!



Yes, Going to Mosques and bowing to the Black stone in Mecca is what makes us outwardly appear as Muslims, the second pillar of Islam!

Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2

1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.

Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.

Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.

Having said that, we worship Allah who is not physically present on earth!

So what did your Qur'an say Moses and Jesus taught their listeners?

Writers of your Quran can make claims but then it's what your Quran says about teaching that will help your fellow religionists treat one another as brothers and sisters. From the look of things your Allah is only concerned with the bowing towards the black stone apart from that there is nothing beneficial that's why your people are killing one another despite bowing towards the same god!

CaptainJune:
The translation, your preferred translation, clearly said Gehenna is a place where the maggots never die, not where there are always maggots as erroneously interpreted by you. Russell is in hell paying the wages of his lies. You don't have to follow him.

CaptainJune:
Lol. Did you just juxtapose Satan and his followers with future non-existence? Even common sense tells you that your interpretation is an arrow that has missed its mark by many degrees of deviation from the truth.

Satan and all badness is will be gone for good as for hell it simply means the place where nothing happens! Ecclesiastes 9:4-10

So stop deluding yourself with the nightmares of some misinformed churchgoers!

SIRTee15:
Eledumare predates the Yoruba bible and Ajayi crowther.
Where do U think Yorubas got the words odu, odumare, osumare.

Yorùbá believe Olódùmarè is the one all other Gods are work for they don't call any of them IDOLS!

justlove91:
Though this question is not directed at me, I will answer for myself.

I truly truly prefer to live there rather then here.

But what are you waiting for here since you prefer that side and the only thing blocking your joy is death?

Emusan:
Usual method
Well, they have started correcting it now that is why you we hear something like:
Yahweh,
Your name is Yahweh
You're the miracle working God
Your name is Yahweh.
Yahweh eee
Yahweh eeh
You're glorious, so glorious in your name!
We're talking about Psalm 83:13 what appeared their isn't JEHOVAH.
Any translation that use Jehovah their is wrong.
Do you understand that simple fact?

The fact is that any organization that's calling the right name with the right work of faith will fulfill what God promised because they are using the right name:

For then I will change the language of the peoples to a pure language, So that all of them may call on the name of Jehovah, To serve him shoulder to shoulder. Zephaniah 3:9

What God promised in the Bible book Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 will be extremely difficult for those who don't know the right name or the right work to do! Act 1:8

During creation there were two persons one is greater and giving orders to the lesser saying let this be like this or that.

“Let us make man in our image" Genesis 1:26

The greater brought the lesser to life:

"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago" Proverbs 8:22

Both worked together during the creation of all other things:

"Then I was beside him as a master worker" Proverbs 8:30

So when David said what is quoted above he's being inspired to write what will happen in the future times when the lesser will be given a seat beside the greater in heaven that's why it's understatement referring to Jesus (lesser) as Son of David who is great grand child of Adam one of the creatures made by the lesser himself! Colossians 1:15-16

AbuTwins:
Moses's books were written thousands of years ago so how do you expect it to be preserved?
I have given you the Qur'an verse earlier about what Allah says!

So in a nutshell you can't claim you believe Moses or Jesus when you don't know what they taught you can only speak for your Allah whose words are found in your Quran!

Now talk about "MUSLIMS"
Are you sure that all those going to the mosque to bow towards the black stone in Mecca are PRACTICING what your Allah says?

SIRTee15:
Ayelala is the name of an idol not God. Yoruba call God Olorun or Eledumare.
And idol worshippers never forbade anybody to use the name of their deity anyhow.
Its even common for them to swear or curse in the name of their deity.
Try another trick.

Yoruba didn't use the word 'Olorun mi o' as exclamation mark until they extrapolated it from the English language oh my God

Ọlọ́run or Elédùmarè came with Àjàyí Crowder's translation and the word IDOL comes with British mentality from what Yorùbá people believe all are Gods nothing like IDOL it's your own religion that refers to their Gods as IDOLS!

AbuTwins:
They have their laws which was for their time!
Moses taught eye for an eye!
Jesus taught charity (overlooking retaliation)!
Allah says:
And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong­doers - of a lesser degree). Al Maidah:45

You're not quoting Moses or Jesus rather you are quoting Allah.
So what exactly did Moses and Jesus taught that you believe you're PRACTICING today?

SIRTee15:
Oh my God originated from the English language.

Most of you only stays within one locality and start claiming you're knowledgeable.


Have you been to any other place apart from where they born you?

In Yorùbá land here when people see what amazes them it's the name of their God they will shout in amazement.

Go to Ìlàjẹ in Ondo state you will hear them shout:

"Ayélála Ìgbòkokò!"

That's "My God" in their own languages.

Does it mean they saw their God each time they utter such or they're greeting their God?

AbuTwins:
You believe them entirely and follow what is inspired to the Prophet!

So what exactly do you know that Moses and Jesus taught that you are following today?

Catapault:
African-American Professor Recounts His NDE

This man says that there are many levels of heaven. The astral plane is the next level up from here, and is where we go when we 'die'.

He says that just like money is our currency here, ie what you can use to enjoy a higher living standard, on the astral plane, the currency is the ability to move up to higher levels of heaven.

He says that just as someone can bribe you here to do something unpleasant, and pay you 5 million dollars, there are people on the astral plane that can bribe a soul to come to Earth and live an Earth life for x number of years, and they will tell you the exact life you will live, the suffering you will endure, and how long you will live, and the payment you get for that is that when you return, you will move up to a particular higher plane than the astral plane.

He said many souls accept the bribe since an earth life is just a few years compared to the equivalent of 3,000 to 4,000 years of an astral body.

Those who refuse the 'bribe' and wish to proceed naturally to the higher level take much 'longer' - often the equivalent of thousands of years - to get there.

Because Earth is a ROUGH place that trains you with the right spiritual experiences which enable you to advance up the ladder to the greatest heavens, much quicker.

Incredible testimony.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTobOwDaiSM&ab_channel=AboutFreedomShow

If you truly believe what this people told you i'm asking you in person:

Between here and the other side which they've told you so much about where do you want to live now?

SIRTee15:
Thomas said “Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου", literally meaning the Lord of me and the God of me.

If this is an exclamation mark coming from the mouth of a Jew, and it not blasphemy then I don't know what else to say to U.

Delusion is free.

A Muslim here has finally admitted Jesus is divine while a Christian continues to wallow in deliberate self inflicting ignorance.

People often explain saying "Oh my God" at the sight of something that amazes them it never meant that what they saw is their God!

AbuTwins:
Good question!
Simply defined, a Muslim is one who submits to Allah through His Prophet.
So by this definition, those who submits to Allah through Prophet Noah are Muslims!
So by this definition, those who submits to Allah through Prophet Moses are Muslims!
So by this definition, those who submits to Allah through Prophet Jesus are Muslims!
So by this definition, those who submits to Allah through Prophet Muhammad are Muslims!

What do you mean by SUBMIT?

Is it just to claim those people are prophets or to put what they taught into practice?

AbuTwins:
No, Sir! You were a Mosque-goer or an Alfa-follower not really a Muslim!

I love this walahi talahi!

Please who is a real Muslim?

Solajinspiratio:
Zipporah Mushala.

What this person told you is more important than what you read in God's word shey?

Who did this to you nah?

Emusan:
But NWT used the word never found in the manuscripts. Is that not fraudulent insertion?
I never said KJV is not RELIABLE I only said it made mistake for USING JEHOVAH which never appeared in the manuscripts and this is supported by many scholars. Reason why we have other translations to compare.

Guy instead of arguing blindly here on NL why not go to all those places of worship where they use to sing:

JEHOVAH is your name, JEHOVAH is your name
Mighty father, great in battle
JEHOVAH is your name.

Stop them from using the name since you believe it's a mistake not just trailing only JWs up and down.

SIRTee15:
How can Thomas use God's name as an exclamation mark as U claim when he knows Moses law doesn't allow it.
A Jew for that matter. He saw Jesus and he shouted 'my God'as expression of shock!!!
Very funny

So the title "GOD" is the name Moses talked about when he said Israelites shouldn't use God's name in vain shey?

Abeg stop quoting me because small time now you will start using multiple monikers to insult me claiming you're many people!