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tctrills:
The devil is the father of lies and any church that feeds lies to it's people is of the devil.

So out of all the religions on planet earth the one and only organization that's fulfilling what God promised belongs to the devil. Matthew 10:24-25

How does that sound to you?

Ọmọ it's you and your unbelieving friends that are thinking God's organization is feeding themselves with lies as far as this organization is concerned they are the one and only group doing God's will.

So before speaking against them present a better performing group that's doing God's will without what you call "LIES" otherwise you're directly or indirectly fighting against the spirit of God {Act 5:39} that's working out what is impossible {Matthew 9:26} in the midst of imperfect humans! Matthew 12:31-32

FxMasterz:
One thing is clear about the historical records of most nations in antiquity. They write only good things about themselves. You'll never see them write about their defeats in battle or their enslavement to another nation, the despicable manners of their kings or the failures of their gods. They're always conquering and never being defeated, living as lords over other nations and recording only good and favourable events in the making of their nationhood. We all know that this can only be far from the truth. Egypt's Pharaoh pursued the Israelites into the red sea and perished there but they'll narrate the events to rather show might and conquests. They actually distort their own histories to brush their national ego. All the nations are like that. No one ever gets defeated in battle except their enemies. Should anyone believe such reports? They're always one sided and narcissistic in tone.

Can the same be said of Israel? Israel has its recorded history as the Old Testaments in the Bible. They didn't write it for religious purposes initially, they were just honestly penning down their records for the coming generations of their children. They record their own failings, their own defeats, the misbehaviours of their kings, the fall of their own nation, even their enslavement and exiles by foreign powers. You'll read balanced records that do not prioritize self praise or national egoism.

So, when contrasting records made by a nation with whom Israel has some ancient involvements, whose records would you believe? I leave it to the reader to judge.

With the highlighted you have killed this thread!

When some people want to pick up arguments against God's word they don't know that lack of CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS is stupidity on its own. Whatever is written on their walls wasn't done by sincere historians but under the direction of their kings who wants their citizens to feel highly secured in their domain and pose a threat to any supposed enemy who may be planning a siege against their Cities.

So in a nutshell the invented stories has a purpose not just what really happened in the past.

Take for instance the Ọ̀yọ́ empire, this people became great right from the time of Ṣàngó the third King of Ọ̀yọ́ and they ruled for years but when the Fúlànís invaded Ọ̀yọ́ they conquered Ọ̀yọ́ and took away the crown as a sign of their victory only to face their doom when they got to Ògbómọ̀ṣọ́. The Ògbómọ̀ṣọ́ people fought, conquered the Fúlànís and returned the crown back to Ọ̀yọ́.
This STORY i heard from my late great-grandmother who is also an historian in Abẹ́òkúta but the day i told an Ọ̀yọ́ chieftain he almost turn it into a bloody fight saying it never happened not until recently when the late Aláàfin Làmídì Adéyẹmí insulted the Ṣọ̀ún of Ògbómọ̀ṣọ́ claiming the later was never a crowned prince in Yorùbá land that Ṣọ̀ún angrily responded that the crown on the Aláàfin's head belongs to him. So when journalists asked him why he uttered such a statement then he revealed exactly the story my late great-grandmother told me.
Ever since then i knew why my late great grandmother was highly respected as a great historian in Abẹ́òkúta!

oteneaaron:
Before I continue, it would be important for us outline the key points raised so far in this argument. Recall that we are trying to find out if the Exodus as recorded in the Bible really happened. Here are some of the points raised so far:
1. There is good reason to believe that in times of famine in Canaan—just as the biblical narrative describes—pastoralists and farmers alike would go to Egypt to settle in the eastern delta and enjoy its dependable fertility.
2. In the 3rd century BCE, Egyptian historian Manetho described a massive, brutal invasion of Egypt by foreigners from the east, whom he called Hyksos, an enigmatic Greek form of an Egyptian word that he translated as “shepherd kings” but that actually means “rulers of foreign lands.”
Manetho reported that the Hyksos established themselves in the delta at a city named Avaris.
3. Far more trustworthy is an Egyptian source of the sixteenth century BCE that recounts the exploits of Pharaoh Ahmose, of the Eighteenth Dynasty, who sacked Avaris and chased the remnants of the Hyksos to their main citadel in southern Canaan—Sharuhen, near Gaza—which he stormed after a long siege.
4. When trying to date of the age of the patriarchs, 1 Kings 6:1 tells us that the start of the construction of the Temple in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign took place 480 years after the Exodus. 5. According to a correlation of the regnal dates of Israelite kings with outside Egyptian and Assyrian sources, this would roughly place the Exodus in 1440 BCE.
That is more than a hundred years after the date of the Egyptian expulsion of the Hyksos, around 1570 BCE. 6. The Bible speaks explicitly about the forced labor projects of the children of Israel and mentions, in particular, the construction of the city of Raamses (Exodus 1:11). 7. But the first pharaoh named Ramesses came to the throne only in 1320 BCE — more than a century after the traditional biblical date.

Why not go to Egypt and ask them the reason they BELIEVE in the Quran?
Because that book talked about Pharaoh who was dealing treacherously with God's people and eventually professed that there is God in the midst of His people!

So instead of coming to Nairaland with your arguments first go to Egypt and convince them that the Muhammad lied to them about what Allah revealed to him after convincing them to trash both the Qur'an, Allah, Muhammad and Islam you can come back and win souls with your ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.

May you have PEACE!

WONDERS shall never end!

Since yesterday none of the so called believers on this forum has dropped a single comment on this thread.
WHY?
They're all waiting for Jehovah's Witnesses to come first then they will pour out their anger on the JWs instead of facing the OP to prove they truly have faith in the Bible book of EXODUS.

Ó mà ṣeo!

Nijagogetsense:
Thrash as usual. That's why people say common sense and rational thinking is different from your relidiots or should I say sheeples. You have nothing to defend yourself except your bybull written by Emperor Constantine

Don't worry jàre you have the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

Mosquitoes were created for a very good purpose just like all other insects and animals it's the fall of man that made these creatures treat us like aliens instead of like the demigod we were supposed to be in their midst:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

After God cursed the ground {Genesis 3:17} all the things made out of the ground {Genesis 1:24-25} turned against Adam and Eve that's why God's word said their children has also fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} but have faith and trust in God because He has promised to restore us back to glory when we will be blessed again {Psalms 67:6-7} just as He did in the beginning {Genesis 1:28} we are almost there in Paradise where we will enjoy life to the fullest without these creatures feasting on our flesh or blood anymore! Psalms 37:9-11

See you there! Luke 23:43

Smithwilliams826:
The 11disciples of Jesus Christ, after receiving the spirit of God and began speaking in tongues, they spoke in different languages and the people understood them. All what they said, everyone (non believers and believers) at that time understood what they said, some thought they were drunk and thousands of people repented. Why is it that in this our modern time, people who are speaking in tongues, whenever they speak we who are listening won't understand a thing? All what we hear is Shakamalariammwas.... and so on.

You have spoken the truth except the highlighted:
The total number of disciples speaking in tongues that day was 120 including the 12 apostles. A brother named Mattias replaced Judas Iscariot! Please READ Act Chapter 1 verse 15 to Chapter 2 verse 4

tctrills:
I was not insulting you but the scripture you quoted was not about a false organization. It was not about an organization based on lies and the act of lying. It's about an organization centered on the truth.
So sorry the verses have nothing to do with JW.
Again please send me the updated definition of poor in spirit

Do you know the Bible God and Jesus? John 17:3
This is what He said about Himself:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways are not my ways,” declares Jehovah. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts than your thoughts.  For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do" Isaiah 55:8-11
You can't find an organization of perfect humans but you're seeing an organization of imperfect humans using the words of Jesus (the Prince of Peace) to achieve what is stated above today yet you're saying the organization is based on lies OK present an organization of worshipers performing better than them you said it's not necessary.
So i ask: do you know the true God at all?

Because He said:
"your ways are not His ways neither your thoughts His thoughts, whatever He purposed He will achieve and nothing can stop His plans from being fulfilled" Isaiah 55:8-11

These are qualities of the FRUIT of His Spirit:
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH and SELF-CONTROL, and He adds "against any group that's working towards these qualities there is no law" Galatians 5:22-23

Sorry my friend it's not by force that we agree as long as the true God never used perfect humans to achieve His purpose in the past and never promised that His future purpose will be achieved by perfect humans what we look out for is the organization of IMPERFECT HUMANS doing His will! Matthew 7:21-23

When talking about people to do God's will God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ said:

"I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners." Matthew 9:13

It's a pity that you don't know the indepth meaning of the word SINNER it simply means IMPERFECT HUMANS so while doing God's will inquisitive observers will surely notice loopholes and errors in the way they are handling the divine assignment given to them but the fact remains that they will achieve the purpose for which God's Holy Spirit gathered them.
That's exactly why critics of God's people often complain and in most cases they do attack God's people with the feeling that there's nothing unique about them.

You can continue doing the will of your God as you know your own God we are doing the will of our God as an organized global family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4

May you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
Mad people who dress well full here

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa they're not mad the simple truth is that they don't belong to our camp so they have chosen their own road to where they feel they will be OK but we are pleased with God's organization!

tctrills:
You have a religion that can stand the test when measured against the bible.
You have a religion to can't stand when measured against common sense.
Your entire organization is based on irregular guesswork and is really not practical.
But then, humans fall for anything so I don't blame you.
I only feel pity for you.
You are being used and there is no reward for foolishness no matter how good your intention.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The GUESSWORK
The TEST of TIME
The UNCOMMON SENSE
The BLAME
The PITY
The FOOLISHNESS

Has all resulted in the fulfilment of the above scripture so stylishly insulting people for their faith doesn't mean you're wiser!

Kingsnairaland:
Jw is a cult in thier own realm.

Bubu4Sea:
if you are for Jesus alone, beware that Kumuyi is a freemason

Nijagogetsense:
Do you think all those your Adebole, Oledepo, Paul Adefarasin, Fatoyinbo, and others are not into one cult or the other? What do you know? If I revealed some secrets here, you guys will doubt ooo...

So when people gather and others can't figure out why they will surely say one thing or another about the gathering it's left to you to find out the truth! 1Thessalonians 5:21

cornelboy:
I asked who brainwashed you baba 😂😂
Where's this your infinite mind?

People like him could be found in virtually all countries around the world including religious sects of different kinds, each one has built one secret altar in his or her own heart where he worships himself each day.
So when others gather to talk about God such ones look at them as fools because you can't worship the true God without being in the midst of a multitude having the same line of thought! John 17:22
That's how Satan began and he is also looking for worshipers but instead of Satan to tell Adam and Eve that he's replacing their God he pretends as if they're free from submission to any deity both of them lived miserable lives till their death and after their demise Satan become the god that 99% of Adam's descendants worships till today! 2Corinthians 4:4

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahahahahaha
You go explain tire.
No evidence.
Why is God confusing your Governing Body with back and forth teachings?
What is truth today can become false tomorrow and what is false today can become truth tomorrow!
Is that how God reveals truth to his beloved servants?😅😅😅

Mr infinite mind!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahaha
You go explain tire.

Hmmmmmmm you're not intelligent at all!

Can't you see that i'm breaking all the walls you have built around your unbelieving mind?

Well my response is to assure faithful people that God was with the Israelites when they spent 40 years in the wilderness the journey that was supposed to take them less than 6 weeks.

So if any of them was with the camp of Israel back then will he turn back to Egypt since they have spent more than 5 years or continue faithfully with Moses who led them out of Egypt?

I'm sure you will not even last up to two months in that camp because you will doubt the God leading them, the spirit in front of them and what would you have said about Moses the imperfect human representing God in their midst? Exodus 7:1

Ọmọ your misfortune is not just about what those apostates did but FAITHLESSNESS!

oteneaaron:
So you have finally agreed that the Child Sexual Abuse cases are one of the fruits you spoke about right?
You can't just gloss that over. 😅😅😅

The illustration will be really difficult for you to understand because you're not used to such in your Omni mind!

A vineyard starts from a land where nothing is planted for harvesting but as soon as the sower comes the land changes from barren to fruitful.
Now the fruit he planted will surely suffice if it's the right seed and when you look at the field from a distance you will see the fruit he planted but then he will continue working on his farm to make the whole land perfect until then you will continue to see the things that has been growing before the sower comes!



So what you're talking about is not the seed planted otherwise you shouldn't find it elsewhere the fact that you're seeing it elsewhere is evidence that it's not the seed he planted but what he found in the barren field!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahaha
As a human being, how do you create anything?
You first think about it in your mind right?
Therefore, everything that is created both seen and unseen must have been first created in The Infinite Mind of the Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent Father of All creation.
Everything is you see today in the entire cosmos, comes from that Infinite Mind.
The Joke is really on You. 😅😅😅

Perfect living master.

I hail o!

oteneaaron:
Are these also some of their fruits?
1. 159 report being sexually abused as Jehovah’s Witnesses - https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/15052469
2. Child sex abuse investigation of Jehovah’s Witnesses fuels speculation - https://apnews.com/article/jehovahs-witnesses-child-abuse-pennsylvania-investigation-c08b543d8b0b69e03d3c2eba08526cf0
3. 5 members of Jehovah’s Witnesses congregations charged with child sexual abuse in Pennsylvania - https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/09/us/jehovahs-witness-child-sex-abuse-pennsylvania/index.html😅😅😅

Those are the evidence of imperfection in man so there is no group of people, no society, no country, no city or town where you won't find such ones and don't forget that these are the same people we are preaching and teaching.

Jesus came for them not perfect humans {Matthew 9:13} but despite their imperfection they will achieve what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

cornelboy:
The concept of the infinite mind you're talking about, did you bring it from your mother's womb or someone brainwashed you 🤣🤣🤣

He developed it overnight that's why he is not interested in the OP but ever ready as in battle prepared against anyone who believes in Jesus of Nazareth yet some still feel he's making sense even though he sees them as fools for taking the Bible seriously!

Ọmọ wetin Musa no go see for gate?

I just checked my first post on this thread and it's like many see reasons why it's important to know God and Jesus for real not just claiming you know them yet you can't speak whether they will approve an ARMED ROBBER as King over righteous people or not!

oteneaaron:
Obeying God and listening to Governing Body are two completely different things.

Lol

cornelboy:
Seems this your mind god doesn't have a name lol.
How did you know him/it? What's this mind doing about the chaos happening in the world today? Does it have any plans for it's creation?

Come one don't feel sorry for me but for yourself. Your cheap blackmail can't work on people like me.

You feel obeying God or listening to the GBs is slavery right? Lol

The real people that are enslaving you and that you should be bothered about are our politicians. They have enslaved you with poverty. Go and free yourself from them.

As for the Jehovah witnesses, we are patiently waiting for God's kingdom perfect everything on earth for us 😉

Faith in ACTION!

How did you get this strong Armor? Ephesians 6:13

oteneaaron:
I know the god you worship is neither omniscient, omnipotent nor omnipresent.
So I don't expect you to understand. 😅😅😅

At least you alone understands your mind but over 8 million people throughout the earth understands our own God.

With that i'm OK!

oteneaaron:
2 Corinthians 4:4 - The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
It is you who puts your complete trust in mere mortal men, and yet you say I am blinded by Satan?😅😅😅
Is this what Jesus taught you?

He appointed apostles to lead his people he never told us that they are perfect so just as our brothers in the first century we are also submissive to them! Act 2:42

I hope you also quote this out for emphasis sake!

oteneaaron:
Did "Jesus" teach the Governing Body that -
1. The world would be destroyed in 1975?
2. They should buy the Beth Sarim mansion becuase Abraham, Moses and other patriachs would be resurrected in 1925?
3. Jerusalem got destroyed in 607 BCE when it was actually destroyed in 537 BCE?
4. They should register and become members of the United Nations for 10 solid years?
5. They should protect Child Sexual Abusers in the USA, Australia, UK and Japan?
Are these the things Jesus taught your Governing Body?
No wonder they had the audacity to say:

Jesus said:

"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit." Matthew 7:16-18

The fruit expected of pure worship is explained in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and repeated at Micah 4:1-3

Only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved this so their errors as imperfect humans is of no relevance to someone who is looking out for the FRUIT Jesus emphasized!

MindHacker9009:
No it was the teachers of the law
John 8:3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery.

Were they the ones to stone or they wanted to command the people whom Jesus has taught to love and pray for their fellow believers, neighbours and enemies?

oteneaaron:
The Infinite Mind is Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent and is behind the entire cosmos. If you can't figure this out, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

Your Omni this and that can't be worshiped as an organized people so what exactly are you arguing for?
Is it that people should come and worship you or they should not congregate together again since there's no perfect human to lead them?

cornelboy:
Who's this mind?

He is talking about himself!

So just as Satan initiated Adam and Eve to obey only their own mind {Genesis 3:1-5} now you can see clearly the seeds of the serpent! Genesis 3:15

No wonder he hates JWs with passion!

cornelboy:
He's obviously the one with the pride lol

He can't see that Satan has blinded him completely! 2Corinthians 4:4

oteneaaron:
Does the scripture you quoted above say that you MUST OBEY the Governing Body even when what they say does not make any logical sense?
Here are the exact words of your Governing Body:

Exactly!

tctrills:
Yes God would approve repented sinners to rule in his kingdom. Obviously your leaders would soon update you so for now I don't blame you fro not knowing

Lol!

oteneaaron:
Interesting.
So from your statement are you saying that - the god of the old testament is equal to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Thank you for admitting that you are actually kissing the a.s.s of your Governing Body.
No wonder they had the audacity to say this:
It is such an irony because you claim to be a Christian who believes in "Jesus".
But you can't even listen to the voice of the same "Jesus" who clearly stated this:

The GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses are Christ's brothers so submitting to their words regarding the preaching and teaching assignment Jesus Christ gave his disciples is like assisting Jesus in doing his work! Matthew 25:34-40

Those claiming believers but failed to work with the GOVERNING BODY yet they can't point to another better performing group with which to do what Christ commanded are in big trouble to face Christ Jesus! Matthew 25:41-46

oteneaaron:
Good thing you have admitted that you worship your GODS in the USA.
Yes, you got that right - I am not submissive to any mortal man.

We are submissive to anointed servants of our God! Act 2:42