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tctrills:
You have a religion that is inconsistent and filled with mistakes and you are here beating your chest. Continue to embarrass yourself.

Mistakes in the understanding of God's word that's been the experience of God's people from inception or the ones only modern day worshipers of God are making?

Please come again!

tctrills:
The bible does not update. It's a complete collection of books.
I can't remember a time when they needed to make a correction or update to any book in the bible.
Please which year was the bible last updated?

You're just eager to argue you're not composed!

I said:
"man's understanding of God's word (Bible) must be updated"

Now calm down to read the above and pay attention to the highlighted in blue!

cornelboy:
He's just like them. He has nothing to say but fruitless arguements.

https://www.nairaland.com/6828643/bible-wrong
he's doubting God's word!
https://www.nairaland.com/6849153/how-many-fathers-heaven
how many fathers will believers have in heaven!
https://www.nairaland.com/6875643/which-churches-today-following-jesus
this shows he's not worshiping with any group of people at all just like his apostate friends.
https://www.nairaland.com/6941774/why-dont-people-die-churches
he feels God's Holy Spirit should continue killing people like in the first century.
https://www.nairaland.com/6961839/conceived-jesus-christ-father-holy
he is questioning the paternity of God's Son
https://www.nairaland.com/7081153/what-function-holy-ghost
he doesn't know the function of God's Holy Spirit and not ready to learn.
https://www.nairaland.com/7093441/did-jesus-die-those-lived
he is confused whether Christ's death will pay for ancient servants of God.
https://www.nairaland.com/7087883/adam-not-cause-mankinds-problems
outrightly criticizing the Bible at Romans 5:12
https://www.nairaland.com/7060243/which-best-church-join-want
This shows he's materialistic so any religion that will make him rich flies.
https://www.nairaland.com/7179228/world-coming-end-it-getting
He's criticizing God's word that the world is coming to an end.
https://www.nairaland.com/7232550/god-sabbath-it-jesus-christ
He is criticizing God's word as Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath.
https://www.nairaland.com/7453647/these-last-days
He is doubting God's word regarding the signs of the last days.
https://www.nairaland.com/7515028/those-never-heard-jesus-what
He doesn't know the purpose of those who never heard about Jesus.
https://www.nairaland.com/7505086/jesus-christ-does-not-ability
He is doubting Jesus who is the perfect image of God.
https://www.nairaland.com/7568735/signs-end-not-yet-hand
Doubting God's word about the end time.
https://www.nairaland.com/7565975/what-origin-man
Doubting God's word regarding the origin of man
https://www.nairaland.com/6970625/does-bible-endorse-human-sacrifice
He is against Jesus being the sacrificial lamb that takes away sin.


Politics is his major concern so as long as God is not interested in politics he's doubting God's ability in all regard!

cornelboy:
He's just like them. He has nothing to say but fruitless arguements.

From what i have gathered so far about him he is doubting God's word but ashamed to come out openly because i have dealt with him several times showing him that only JWs have the accurate updated understanding of God's word.
Check his other threads to see how indecisive he is about God's word!

tctrills:
You are in an organization that any or all it's teaches could be wrong by tomorrow. You have an organization that could tweak and change their truth at any moment.
It seems you are one of the most dishonest organizations I have met and trust me, I have met a few hundreds of organizations.

Say that to the understanding of the Bible that's always updated due to the imperfection of God's servants.
This can never change in the teachings of God's word.

God created the earth for mankind to live forever on it {Genesis 1:26-28} it's sin that brought death to mankind {Genesis 2:17} and He is working towards bringing obedient mankind to perfection so we can continue living forever on a renovated earth as he purposed from the start! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 65:21-23; Matthew 5:5} and whatever our God purposed can never become impossible for him to do {Isaiah 55:10-11} that's what it means to one know our God.

As for how He's going to achieve this and when it will happen we will continue to go for updates as Jesus himself doesn't even know when it will happen! Matthew 24:36

So from your own thread it's evident that you don't know the Bible God at all as you can't even speak boldly about what he like or detest like our father Abraham did! Genesis 18:25

OLAADEGBU:
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

Churches of Christendom don't have the fruit of the spirit! Galatians 5:22-23
I have hammered it into your skull several times that if members of your religion are into military services the first three qualities of God's Holy Spirit LOVE JOY PEACE has been lost in such religion!
Lord Jesus commanded us to LOVE our fellow believers as he love us {John 13:34-35} so if our fellow believers goes nut and wants to kill us we shouldn't think of killing him in return but ready to give ourselves off than to think of killing our fellow believer but your own Deeperlifer people will not even do that rather at the order of a politician you will gladly slaughter your fellow Deeperlifers claiming you're defending your country as if Christians in the first century were commanded to defend Jerusalem under attack by Romans.
As for LOVE for neighbours that one is totally lost because people you're going to kill in the other countries are supposed neighbours Jesus commanded us to love {Mark 12:31} and don't tell me they're your enemies because Jesus commanded us to even LOVE and PRAY our enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so there's no LOVE in Deeperlife if we're talking about LOVE.

JOY: Your members are the saddest in the neighbourhood as they always frown up and down they can't even speak friendly with their neighbours all they're thinking is Hell for all the people who aren't following Kumuyi.

PEACE: How can you think of peace when you're ready to go and fight your enemies?

There are still six other qualities like PATIENCE, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH and SELF-CONTROL can you explain how members of your religion displays these qualities?

You listed Catholics as part of religions that doesn't worship your God yet when you hear that a member of ISIS has converted to Christianity you rush to Nairaland to jubilate how are you sure that such a convert didn't pick Catholic out of all the religions claiming Christians?

So you're just following Kumuyi like a mumu!

cornelboy:
Lol and you think we don't know that before?

He is relying on the deception of apostates who will never tell him anything good about JWs when he thought we are FAITHFULLY OBEDIENT to the Governing Body perhaps because we feel they're perfect or infallible i told him we already know they're capable of making mistakes instead of his friend to quote where the Governing Body said they're prone to errors he kept quiet about that watching him arguing blindly until i proved to him that th one and only servant of God that's infallible is Jesus Christ!

All the laws God gave the Israelites through Moses became OBSOLETE when the prophet God promised them in the manner of Moses arrived in Israel.

This is what God told the Israelites through the mouth of Moses:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

In the camp of Israel Moses served as God against Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} so that prophet must also prove to be a God in their midst! Isaiah 9:6 compare to John 1:1

Israelites don't need any prophet again if the Mosaic laws is what they need to fulfil God's will so what they really need will be taught by the prophet who is coming in the manner of Moses because unlike Moses who only gave them laws this coming prophet will be a Wonderful Counselor! Isaiah 9:6

AbuUbaiduLLah:
Was your god right when he gave that command?
Because the true GOD of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed would not hold a generation accountable for what their ancestor did 300 years before talkless of innocent infants.

The God of Israel has a reason for that!
If you're talking about Amalek read what they did to Israelites in the Bible book of Exodus 17:8-16

If you further questions let me know.

May you have PEACE!

tctrills:
This is just about the same as my definition so can MaxinDHouse give us the 2023 translation?

If you have anything to discuss with me come out straight to me because i don't even read the comments of your friend!

tctrills:
I am sure you would not be surprised when the JW finally update all their teachings and agree with all I say.

Let me remind you all that you've said on this thread:

(1) Anybody can read the Bible to know God.
(2) So no need for teachers of God's word.
(3) An armed robber can be BORN AGAIN.
(4) You don't have to belong to any group to be a worshiper of God.
(5) God's servants don't err in their understanding of God's word because holy spirit is guiding them.
(6) All worshipers of God are going to the same place. Heaven.
(7) We can't know God's thought even though we study the Bible.
(8} God doesn't have a unique organization.

All these are totally against the heritage of God's people because we totally disagree with all what you've said. Of course there is always updates on our understanding of certain things in the Bible but never will God's people agree with you that all servants of our God are going to heaven neither can we agree with you that servants of God must have perfect understanding of God's word and our God has never ever chosen a thief to be among His anointed ones because the first crime ever is STEALING!

tctrills:
I have asked MaxinDHouse to give me links to the updated definition of poor in spirit. He is yet to do so. Let him take his time, I guess he will have it by tomorrow

Since you've agree that the understanding of God's perfect word by imperfect humans needs to be updated do you still worry over that?
Because i will not give you as you hate the truth, now you're convinced that there has never been a time imperfect God's servants got the understanding of God's word perfectly shey?

Ọmọ it's only Jesus of Nazareth who got everything perfectly and that's because he is the only begotten son from God but as for all other servants of God none ever god the understanding of God's word PERFECTLY.

Go through your Bible from Genesis to Revelations you can never see just one i will tell you where they err in their understanding because it's our heritage if anyone ever gets the understanding of God's word perfectly then such a person don't need God's Son as a counselor.

That's what it means when Jesus said:
For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that those believing him might not perish but have everything life. John3:16

So if you're arguing over imperfect humans making mistakes in their understanding of God's word then you don't know why God sent Jesus! His only begotten Son!

tctrills:
I never said there is no updates in understanding the word of God, I said the truth can never be updated.
And stop worshipping servants of God, worship God in truth and spirit.

Now you're going emotional!

When has it come to worship God or servants of God?

Well since you agree that the understanding of God's perfect word by imperfect needs to be UPDATED there's no need for further arguments on that. Whether God's servants gets the understanding at once or they continue updating until they get the expected result what Jesus said is:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men" Matthew 7:15-20

Jesus knew that imperfect humans will make mistakes in their understanding of God's perfect word so he never said we should look out for their errors rather he said we should look out for the performance of those adhering to their teachings if they're from God their followers will fulfill God's purpose but if not they can never ever fulfil God's promise.

That's why i keep asking you to present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

AbuUbaiduLLah:
KILL INFANTS, KILL SUCKLINGS
Because of what their ancestors did 300 years back... where is the mercy and forgiving

There is a reason for that command if you care to know and why such is no longer applicable today!

Moresalt:
No bro... You've missed my point even more. I forgot to mention that you've been missing my point(s) right from your first post. And it's obvious you didn't read or understand my initial post well enough.

In that case, I don't think it's necessary to continue the chats...

Well, in closing, what just matters is that we should fear God and keep His Words, especially the commands in the new testament. With that we shall all be fine at least.

Take care bro...

OK o!

tctrills:
Please can you do me a favor and link me to you publication with the updated definition of poor in spirit. Please link me to the latest update.

Have you ever believe in updates so since you said there's no updates in the understanding of God's word go and worship with perfect servants of God who doesn't err in their understanding of God's word!

tctrills:
No God's servent are not perfect but the spirit leading them was. It's called the spirit of truth for a reason, it doesn't lie

Now you're getting the understanding of what i've been saying since.

So if the spirit is giving them direction and they missed it does that mean the spirit lied or that they are false?

Moresalt:
Well bro, I don't think a poisoned meal is a solution to hunger. Wrong company corrupts good manners. Since I haven't found one I could trust—I mean one not corrupted with money and self, then the second best option of being alone is better in the meantime. Jesus said if the leader is blind he will lead others into the ditch.

The type of men I now respect are the likes of bro Gbile Akanni, men that still retain the standards of Paul and others. Not in terms of rituals and religion, but about Jesus lifestyle that one must follow to see Him.

Not even marriage/any woman can hold me back to dilute the standard — cos He gives grace. And even if that means I'll be single all my life like Paul and few others, then I'll get grace.

I haven't been in any serious relationship all my life anyway. About the time I'm supposed to start chasing girls like a spoilt bad boy was when Jesus got me with His mighty hand, so hard that I couldn't escape—just after sec., 2010.

If not maybe I'll be loaded with HIV and all now. Cos from childhood some would always like to prophecy adultery/fornication on me based on my appearance. And no thanks to them cos I was already exercising dating two/three of my classmates at the same time in ss3—although my school results were getting poorer and poorer unlike earlier...

So the words of Jesus are straight, the way is narrow and few find it... That's a serious fight you hardly find in most churches or groups.

And my prayer is to have a church/family that's in the Fight, not a drag on my neck—God willing...

Do you believe in Jesus?

Because he promised to appoint a group that will lead his people in the last days {Matthew 24:45} you only need to be humble enough to identify them {Matthew 25:31-46} if you're saying there is no church of Holy Ones then you don't believe in Jesus because he said:

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8
So do you think Jesus disciples are working to gather the disciples and teaching them? Matthew 28:19-20

If there's no such group then you're saying Jesus never existed because that's the only prove he existed!

tctrills:
God's people do not have a heritage of lies and deceit.
Yes Spirit never updated any definition

Are you saying this from your own deceptive hearts why not quote God's word to support your arguments that God's ancient servants were perfect in their understanding of the inspired words?

tctrills:
Ok is that the JW 2023 definition of lies because I can bet this definition would not last the test of time

Find a better performing group first then you have the right to call God's organization LIARS.

As long as you can't present any better organized group fulfilling what God promised you're just deceiving yourself!

tctrills:
Hope you are following the performance of your beloved brother MaxinDHouse.
He has finally confessed that your organization is not led by inspired men and there are mistakes and imperfections in your doctrine.
This is the most honest he has ever been.
We finally got him to that point.

Ask your friends who turned apostates if the organization ever said we were led by inspired or infallible men.

tctrills:
What about when an organization is dishonest and constantly falsifying their records and changing their story.
Relax no one is taking you to court.
In the words of Christ, the the wheat and the tares grow together.
So fear not you can continue with you dishonesty, no one is taking you to court.

What story has changed?
I keep telling you that God's people have a long heritage that you need to study before knowing our God.
From Genesis to Malachi all servants of God believe that when the Messiah comes he will start ruling over the earth and bring righteous government.
John the baptist almost doubt Jesus because what himself and all other prophets of God taught people about the Christ never happened as Jesus didn't start ruling as they thought! Matthew 11:2-3
His disciples were confused even after his resurrection because he didn't start ruling immediately as they have thought! Act 1:6-8
So it was later that the spirit of God UPDATED their understanding of God's word that they began helping others to know about the UPDATE! Act 18:24-26

tctrills:
So the spirit did not lie to them or give them false definitions.
It's one thing for your glory to be delayed but it's another thing to be constantly lied to and you are still open to more lies.
Judging from your own words, your organization is nothing but one big fraud.

Lies are things that never yield positivity once the result is positive you can't find anything to say against the truth even though you which it's a lie.
So when you call something a lie then present the truth not just by words but by practical applications that everyone can see.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth as you can't present a better performing group!

tctrills:
Oga you are no longer enjoying your court illustration abi.
Next time learn more about the justice system before talking to educated people.

Court only comes in when someone or a group is not performing well as peaceful members of the society so your illustration makes no sense!

tctrills:
Was the spirit constantly changing and editing it's revelations to Moses? Was the Spirit lying to Moses and hiding the truth from him.

The only thing the spirit did was to lead them to the promised land everything else is immaterial if they failed to reach the promised land yet instead of 40 days it took them 40 years.
Would you have continue believing such a spirit if you're with the Israelites?

tctrills:
You obviously know nothing about how the law works. If are take an organization to court and accuse them of stealing, I wouldn't be told to present an organization that doesn't steal.
Please what you don't know, keep quiet.

Oya take JW organization to court for stealing nah!
Stupid illustration!

tctrills:
Every group says great things about themselves but we both know that the spirit does not lead one to error.

You're lying to your own soul.

Moses and the spirit of God led the Israelites for through the wilderness for 40 years instead of 40 days.

Would you have continue believing in such a spirit till the end of 40 years?

God has a reason for everything so if you can't present a better performing group then JWs have it!

tctrills:
An evidence that is continually updating can't be accepted in any court. It's a false evidence

Go to any court in the world and tell them that JWs aren't performing as God's people they will ask you to present a better performing group that's practicing what Jesus taught as an organized people!

tctrills:
Also, you said you are not led by inspired men so clearly the spirit has no business with your organization

Do you know the meaning of INSPIRED MEN?

Well Jesus had twelve apostles only Matthew, John and Peter were inspired to pen down God's word others were working with them so they can make the best use of God's inspired word. So not all servants of God were inspired!

tctrills:
The spirit does not teach false interpretation. The spirit does not revise it's teachings.
Was your 2001 interpretation from the spirit?

The spirit has led us to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as God's word promised {Isaiah 2:2-4} and we speak with one voice once we get updates on our former understanding just like people learning to speak the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

It's you who can't find any group of people to worship with yet you're still finding the truth!

tctrills:
The goal is not to find a better performing group but to find the truth. It's not a competition among groups.
But a group that updates it's falsehoods should never be taken seriously.

So keep finding it while you can't achieve any single thing out of all the promises God made about His worshipers.

I will give you the evidence that only Jehovah's Witnesses are God's worshipers according to what we have achieved as promised in the Bible but you can continue finding your truth that's not working out anything! James 2:18-26

tctrills:
Mistake, not the heritage of God's people but the heritage of the guesswork people.
As for God's people, Jesus told us, the spirit would teach you all things you should know

The spirit will teach by directing them to better understanding when they err until they get the perfect understanding that WORKS! James 2:18-26