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tctrills:
The prophets were not wrong, Christ would take over world powers

They believe he will do so immediately he comes not that he will be killed then taking another thousand of years until he comes to establish righteousness on earth!

That you can't argue because evidence yapa inside the Bible!

tctrills:
I like what you just said. You guys are based on trial and error.
You don't care about the truth and you are not led by God's inspiration.
In short, you are a manmade guesswork organization.

Find a better performing group!

tctrills:
You think you can't find a better group because your teachers have not yet updated that statement. One they they would tell you that you can find better organizations out there and you would accept

Ọmọ you need to understand the heritage of God's people.

Our understanding of God's word has never been black and white what is certain is God's plan to make the earth a Paradise that is what all servants of God from Abraham believe till today so even though we don't know how far it will be or turn out we are sure that Paradise will be here on earth where God's people began having issues is when Jesus said our government house will no longer be Jerusalem as proposed! John 14:1-3

tctrills:
I love this, You finally agree that you depend on imperfect insights and interpretations. Now what makes you believe that your 2023 definitions are correct and final?
Maybe we should just wait for the JW 2025 definations

The people teaching us aren't perfect neither are they inspired but one thing is certain:
You can not find a better performing group than their followers in what God said about His worshipers in the last days!

tctrills:
wow so for years the JW was giving definitions that were not practical. I see.
I hope you realize that from now on, no one should believe anything from the JW because we can't tell when you would switch to another definition.
Anyway, it's that one day, you guys will finally update till you reach the truth.

As long as it's not working out as God's word foretold we will continue to go for updates until we're able to fulfil God's promise! Proverbs 4:18

tctrills:
I just checked, and what I quoted was published in 200. That is not so long ago so before 2001 no JW member knew the meaning of poor in spirit. Millions of JW members have died thinking they were poor in spirit only for the definition to be different in 2023.
My question is, please what year did you update?

Guy there's no date that's too late for updating once we have found out that the understanding is not working out as God's word foretold we go back to the Bible to find out where we got it wrong.

Now pertaining to those that have died with the former understanding do you think Jews like God's prophets before Jesus' time who believe the Christ will take over world power immediately he comes have lost out?

For your information that's what all the prophets believe until John the baptist and the disciples of Jesus also had the same feelings not until Jesus told them something new!

tctrills:
Please answer the question, was the un-updated definition wrong? And what year did you guys realize you have been wrong all this time and decide to update?
This shows that so many things in your belief need to be updated. Or are you guys done updating?

God's word is perfect it's humans trying to gain insight that are imperfect so if what you concluded is not working out as expected that simply means the understanding was wrong an update is needed!

tctrills:
Oga can you update the truth? How about you try to update the bible and we see how it goes for you? Now if you are into updating your beliefs why should anyone take you seriously?
This means next week you will come up with a 3rd definition for the poor in spirit.
So which do we take your old definition, your present definition, or your future definition?
Truth is eternal, it does not change with time or season.
Also, if you have updated the definition, why is the wrong definition still on an official JW site?
Lastly could you please link to the updated definition on a JW site?

Take the definition that's PRACTICAL so you can point out the example of what you're saying not when you interpret something and discovered that it's not working out then you stick to it as if you're God who inspired the writers.
Ọmọ that's the work of God's Holy Spirit it will help you when you make mistakes in your understanding.
God's word says:
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.2 Corinthians 3:6

So if you stick to what JWs teaches you're right but you're wrong when it's not working out as expected.

tctrills:
So you are saying the publication is wrong right?

Go for updated understanding of our publications that's why God's word said:

"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That grows brighter and brighter until full daylight" Proverbs 4:18

POOR IN SPIRIT are the ones whose attitude is like the ones Jesus talked about:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

They don't have any worthy possession other than their brothers and sisters in the faith {Mark 10:29-30} most of them even sold their properties to support the ministry and never expected anything in return that's what Peter and the other apostles did before they were counted worthy of becoming part of the Born Again Christians {Matthew 19:27} while Judas Iscariot who was still eyeing material possessions lost out!

tctrills:
I gave MaxinDHouse the JW definition but he believes he has a better definition so I am confused, are there 2 different JW organizations?

There are two different JWs:
Those that takes words and aren't ready for updates such ones will turn to apostates later claiming "they said this before now they're saying that"
Those who are ever ready to make amendments due to updates such ones will always follow up with the latest update they don't care about what is outdated understanding.

That's why you're having all these apostates they can quote publications of 1900 for you even though they know it's not practically applicable anywhere!

tctrills:
Look oga I did not know it was a JW publication until you claimed I was wrong and I went back to the publication.
Do you disagree with the definition in the publication? If not just agree you are wrong and move on.

Guy that's the meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT our publications often has updates due to better understanding. I gave you the meaning and quoted scriptures to show you but you just want to misconstrue the whole thing the same way you want to condemn God's word by picking words out of context.

Only the POOR IN SPIRIT can be chosen as BORN AGAIN Christian while the HUMBLE do subject themselves to the POOR IN SPIRIT.

I gave you scriptural examples of those who are POOR IN SPIRIT and how they turned out to be BORN AGAIN Christians but since you're not interested in the truth all you want is quote words that you can't substantiate.

Meanwhile why using JW publications if you don't trust the GB of JWs?

Moresalt:
Maybe not really for now... I only use online ministries these days.

Yes, I wouldn't recommend what you called online dating myself especially if one is looking for the common random relationship type. I don't use the word dating—I guess you meant courtship, right...

Yet, I wouldn't say great online connections are impossible because as far as I'm concerned, the best connections I've ever got in terms of jobs/christian messages so far are strictly online. So, that's why I'm sure God can use the internet for anything if He wants...

In fact, I'm sure there must have been many deep christian families today that met online...

Well according to God's word true believers do meet regularly together so they can incite to love and fine works {Hebrews 10:24-25} but if you believe in the internet it's OK but i will never ever subscribe to faith on the internet.

tctrills:
You and dishonesty are 5 and 6 please what is the difference between my definition and the JW publication?
You said I misinterpreted the meaning of poor in spirit, do you still think so even after I have showed you my source?

Do you BELIEVE the source or you're just trying to use it as tool for arguing?

POOR IN SPIRIT means those who are ready to give away everything they had for pure worship!

tctrills:
Oga your dishonesty is world-class, But it would not fly this time around because I actually got that definition of Poor in spirit from a JW publication and I agree with it that's why I used it.
You keep showing that you can't be trusted. You have a constant need and desire to lie.

That is why we always tell people like you that you need to study our publications with one of us otherwise you will misconstrue everything in it.

Poor in spirit means those who felt they're nothing without pure worship such ones are ever ready to trash anything they possess just to gain God's approval through pure worship.

That's what help Jesus' apostles to be counted as POOR IN SPIRIT.

Read what Peter said:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Peter said this when a man refused to let go of worldly possessions to become one of Jesus' closest companions! Matthew 19:16-24

So to such ones they are POOR no matter what they possess as long as they don't belong to pure worship. That's the meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT.

And as for HUMBLE ONES these people are ready to learn from those POOR in spirit so even though we know that they don't have anything to stand beside us in the society we humbly subject ourselves to their teachings {Act 2:42} because we can see that God's promises are coming to fulfilment because of their works. That's why God's prophet said if people like me will be saved during the day of God's anger i must seek meekness (humility) and righteousness! Zephaniah 2:2-3


Now if i should ask you to present any servant of God qualified to teach you so that you can stick to his teachings as God's representative you can't point to any because you just want to please yourself that's where you and i differ.

So the POOR IN SPIRIT will inherit God's Kingdom in heaven because they've sold out everything they had to buy it {Matthew 13:46} that's why Jesus is using them as his brothers to dispense spiritual food to millions across the globe {Matthew 24:45} therefore whoever disrespect them simply because they don't posses things of the world can't gain everlasting life {Matthew 25:31-46} because when Jesus himself was here on earth he had nothing to point out as his personal belonging apart from his disciples whom he takes as his brothers and sisters {Matthew 12:46-50} that's the same thing he promised those who are POOR IN SPIRIT! Mark 12:29-30

tctrills:
You have never pointed out a lie I ever told. That there are over 1 billion Muslims doesn't make Islam are true so stop this numbers game, it makes no sense.

You talked about use of English today yet you're misusing words. Whatever over 8 million people agreed upon is no longer PERSONAL.
So withdraw that statement!

tctrills:
My problem with MaxinDHouse is that he does very little of scripture but is huge on personal opinion.

You're not being sincere even when your friend keep telling you that this is what over 8,000,000 people globally agreed upon as truth you still want to call it PERSONAL OPINION!

tctrills:
Now I ask if someone is both poor in spirit and humble, where would he go?
Do you see your lack of understanding?
Let's define poor in spirit as one who looks and depends on God.
Mr MaxinDHouse do you look up to God and depend on him? Would you inherit heaven?

That's not the interpretation of what Jesus meant by POOR IN SPIRIT!

And as for HUMBLE ONES both are found in the scriptures but your pride to argue is the problem.

However i can see that Jesus mentioned the two different destinations and specifically talked about two categories of blessed ones to inherit them respectively.

So keep on meditating on that!

Moresalt:
True, but one needs to be led by God, though. A passage also says "come out from among them"... If I deliberately stay in a gathering where money and self is more important, it's sin. Jesus said if the leader is blind, he will lead other into the ditch.

So we can't live off a verse that we must not forget the gathering—and that Hebrew one must even be one of those founded by the apostles, yes, it'd be a sin to avoid such, but not like the common ones we have today...

Well, I'm submitting all to God...

In that case join the congregation of Holy Ones and choose a lady in the faith.
On line dating Is like planning to fail because anyone may act like born again just to get what he or she wants!

POOR IN SPIRIT: HEAVEN! Matthew 5:3

HUMBLE ONES: EARTH! Matthew

Even if i use the scriptures to expatiate on this two categories faithless miscreants will still say it's GUESSWORK.

So keep the two in your copy of the Bible or tear it away but Jesus mentioned two categories of blessed ones in the same chapter!

tctrills:
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Where would the thousands of JW who have been persecuted go? earth or heaven
Again, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness would they inherit earth or heaven?
Jesu Christ mentioned about 9 categories so can you tell us which ones inherit the earth and who goes to heaven?

When you're ready to learn i will TEACH you.

Jesus mentioned HEAVEN and expressly said it belongs to the poor in spirit he also mentioned EARTH and specifically said it belongs to the humble ones!

tctrills:
You are finding it hard to understand this very simple English so let me help you.
If he was born again before his encounter on the cross, he will enter the kingdom of God and if be becomes born again after his encourage on the cross, he will enter the kingdom of God.
Are you clear now?

God's word said:
Righteous ones will live by reason of faith and if he shrinks back God has no pleasure in him! Hebrews 10:38

Have you ever heard of any servant of God whom He declared righteous but was a former ARMED ROBBER?

That's why we often say you people don't know the Bible God at all!

tctrills:
Most JW who are poor in spirit would loss out from the promises of God because the refused to be born again.

At least Jesus mentioned two categories of blessed ones:

Poor in spirit to go to heaven! Matthew 5:3
Humble ones to live on earth! Matthew 5:5


So continue meditating on that!

tctrills:
So what happens to you if you are poor in spirit, where would you go .
Hope you know what it is to be poor in spirit in the first place?

If i explain you will still say it's GUESSWORK.

So hold onto what Jesus said at least he talked about TWO different destinations not one!

tctrills:
He can if he was born again and he can if he becomes born again

Now you're speaking quality ENGLISH!

tctrills:
The bible says blessed are the poor in spirit for they shall inherit the kingdom of heaven.

YES the poor in spirit will go to heaven! Matthew 5:3
While the humble will inherit the earth! Matthew 5:5

Two different destinations!

OLAADEGBU:
Address the OP and stop gallivanting.

OP spewed gibberish!

OLAADEGBU:
You will know them by their fruits.

What fruit?
Where your members face one another and kill one another at the order of politicians shey?

tctrills:
I never said the robber was born again.

So he can't enter God's kingdom! John 3:3-5

tctrills:
Now let's go through Paul's words.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
So even Paul was not sure if his Journey to the 3rd heaven was a physical experience or if it was his spirit. Yet he was humble enough to say, 'I don't know.'
He did not need to lie that the 3rd heaven was on earth or was a thing of the mind.

Now to some English class

From Paul's statement, it's clear that the 3rd heaven is a place outside your mind, and not a state of mind.
If it was a state of mind there wouldn't have been a need for him to talk about whether in or out of the body.
You do not go to a state of mind in or out of your body because your mind is within you.

I advise you to talk with someone who understands English a bit better, trust me, it would give you better understanding of the scriptures.

Why third heaven?
Where is the first and second heaven?


The same applies to DEATH, the Bible mention SECOND DEATH so why the second?
What is the first DEATH?

tctrills:
My big problem with MaxinDHouse and his group is that their beliefs can't be defended using the bible. Now he talks about a second heaven, I have asked him to show me a verse but we already know that the bible never mentioned a second heaven.

What is the work of God's Holy Spirit?

If the Bible mention THIRD HEAVEN and you're TEACHING an interested person to believe in your God and the Bible (supposed word of your God) how are you going to answer when he or she ask you about the FIRST and SECOND before your book mention THIRD?

tctrills:
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Again you made this up as it is not supported by scripture. I have a question, where do you get these your no scriptural beliefs from. Who teaches you these falsehoods?

I will also ask you a question and if you answer i will tell you who is teaching God's people today.

Who told you that a confirmed ARMED ROBBER is BORN AGAIN?

OLAADEGBU:
Your father, the devil is called the accuser of the brethren for reason. Why do you always have the penchant to sow seed of discord among the children of God?

So who are the children of God?