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tctrills:
Now you are fighting everyone. Clearly you have issues. You want to shut down everyone that has a different view. Hmmmm

Hypocrite!

Dtruthspeaker:
You spoke stupidly and off point. The topic is not about literal and politics. Tctrills was right in his analysis

Is his manner of approach worth emulating?

tctrills:
Yes he is and that is why I keep warning and warning until he finally understands good and evil.

So after warning the child against the danger he still doesn't know shey?
I hail you!

tctrills:
I never wrote Maximum's side. What are you seeing. Please qoute where I wrote Maximum's side

Posts with that signature is mine, that's what i'm saying!

tctrills:
Now you are clearly confused. I warn him about good and bad does that mean he knows good and bad?
I started talking and teaching my baby from the day he was born even though he knew nothing.
Please what is your point? You think babies know good and bad?

After the warning is he still ignorant?

Dtruthspeaker:
You spoke stupidly and off point. The topic is not about literal and politics. Tctrills was right in His analysis

Shut up!

tctrills:
What are you talking about oga. I never posted with your signature. It seems your mind is playing games on you.
Calm down and focus please.

I said you quoted the post with my signature:

Maximus's side

That's why i responded otherwise i wouldn't have quoted you in the first place!

tctrills:
What are you saying? Are you asking why I warn my 3 years old kid?

YES!
Why warn him if it's not about GOOD and BAD?

tctrills:
Let me point it out again, this is where you qouted me. So stop the lies, be a big boy and own up to your folly.

Hmmm,
It's the understanding of a mere reader that you're applying here, that's why you're having difficulty gaining insight from the scriptures!

First of all, let's meditate on the two words GOOD and BAD, then KNOWLEDGE. Or Knowledge, then Good and Bad respectively as it appears in the scriptures.
These three words connotes the sense of identifying dos and donts or appropriate and inappropriate. Simply cote RULES!
So who supposed to set standards{RULES}, Humans or God?

Adam and Eve surely knew good and bad as regards the layman's terms but the bone of contention here is 'who will set the standards?'
God has been the one teaching them what's next to do and not to do since their existence, so they felt like liberating themselves from such.
That's what led us to where we're today, because in a bid to set standards for our fellow man, we've been dominating ourselves to injury and excruciating pains! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
Of course we were not created to direct our own steps talkless directing others as a ruler! Jeremiah 10:23

That's why God's word foretold a time when all those ruling including their supporters will be totally exterminated from the surface of the earth! Daniel 2:44

God has set his government, he has installed his own King { Psalms 2:6} and all those opposed to that King perhaps due to their political affluence or interest {Luke 18:18-23} will be killed by God's chosen king! Luke 19:27

All of these you'll learn from the TRUE Christians, if you're ready and it's all FREE of charge! Revelation 22:17

God bless you!

Did you quote the above post or not?

tctrills:
I have already pointed where you quoted me but clearly to dey lie dey sweet you.

You love lying sha!

I said the post with my signature is what made me quote you otherwise i don't quote people who don't want to learn!

tctrills:
First you were the one that brought up common sense in this thread and now you are getting offended. .
Again are you saying that warning my 3 years old makes him understand good and evil?
Oga, just believe the word of God and know peace.
Stop explaining for God. He has made himself clear.
If what is written in the bible does not go well with you, please write your own bible.

Why warning if not about GOOD and BAD?

tctrills:
Baba, you were the one who quoted me here. I understand you get uncomfortable when I am on you case so why start what you can't finish

You quoted me first. Guy check my signature on the post you quoted!

tctrills:
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Oga, if I accuse you of dishonesty now you would start throwing tantrums. You were the one who quoted me on this thread.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni you quoted me first. I wouldn't have quoted you because i already know you're an hypocrite.
Check my signature on the post you quoted!

tctrills:
What makes one an adult? And it doesn't matter their age as long as they did not know good and evil.
Now you seem very uncomfortable with me quoting you. Oga relax. Don't be intimidated. We are not fighting.

The WARNING is what makes the difference here.
I hate it when people who are HYPOCRITES in their judgment come up talking trash that's why i told you not to quote me because you're not liberal just now you've started insulting me about common sense so while i love chatting with people i hate hypocrites passing insults simply because their opinion is not accepted.

Adam and Eve knew what they did was BAD because they've been WARNED!

tctrills:
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You are so wrong. So my 3 years son hits his friend and I send him to his room as punishment does that mean the baby knows right from wrong?
Please in which book did you read that punishment connotes knowing wrong from right.
Stop saying what you can't prove.
Some time ago, I was given a driving ticket for driving on a one-way. I did not know yet I was punished.
Where did you get your wrong idea from.

If someone doesn't know what is bad there's no justification for punishment that's common sense.
Ticket for driving on one-way totally differs from this because the people issuing ticket only want to generate revenue for their rulers under normal circumstances what should be done is a signpost indicating that's a one-way without such a signpost it wrong to punish anyone driving along such a road.
God has given Adam and Eve a warning not to eat from that tree so they already know it's BAD to do so!

tctrills:
What does your question have to do with Adam and Eve knowing good or bad . My 3 years old baby does not know good and bad but when he does wrong, I give him a fitting punishment so he can learn. Does that mean that he knows good and bad.
Same with my dog. Do animals know good and bad?

Adam and Eve were adults strictly warned not to do something and they did it so if you punish a baby who hasn't even been told the consequences of what he did beforehand how come you want to justify that Adam and Eve doesn't know GOOD and BAD literally?

Please Mr tctrills next time watch out before quoting me the OP has made a lot of sense with his post all he needs is explanations but if you feel others are wrong just quote him and aur your own opinion.

tctrills:
Now you see you lack common sense. My child dies not know good and bad but like every good dad, I am teaching him the consequences of his actions from a very young age.

Does the above shows common sense at all in relation to what we're discussing?
OK you taught your child the consequences of his action from a very young age but are you saying God didn't do the same with Adam and Eve? Genesis 2:17

tctrills:
[/b] When my baby for example beats another baby I give him a little punishment to know that he did wrong. Thats the problem with you trying to use common sense to override the word of God, you end up being stupid.

Guy punishment connotes the child knows that such action is BAD since he will not like to be beaten so why beat another child?

tctrills:
No, stop the attacks and read your Bible. No guesswork please. Just because you feel it is symbolic does not mean it has to be.

If you order your child not to do something and he did it after a strict warning is his action GOOD or BAD?
Will you punish the child?

tctrills:
Who told you that the good and bad is not literal?

COMMON SENSE!

If they don't know what is GOOD and BAD literally speaking there is no justification for their punishment.

Do you now see how stupid it will sound when you're punishing someone when he or she doesn't even know what he did wrong?

tctrills:
Yes, according to the bible.

Just say according to your own myopic view because Jesus sent out his disciples to TEACH people like you so that you won't take SYMBOLIC TERM literally!

Aemmyjah:
They did not know that eating of that tree was bad?

That's how confused most of them are yet they want to argue. If their God and Father said they should not eat and they decided to eat from the viewpoint of tctrills they don't even know that such action is BAD.

Sometimes i wonder how most people do think yet he will beat up his own child for disobeying him claiming what the child did is BAD!

tctrills:
Another man claiming to know more than God. God says they did not know good and evil but you a man knows better. Who do we believe, you or God. If they knew good and evil, God would have said so. Stop making God a liar.

You feel like reading without grasping but that is your own cup of coffee don't quote me if you hate wisdom. I just told you that the GOOD and BAD mentioned in that chapter of the Bible is not literally what we know as good and bad today!

tctrills:
Oga you made another false pronouncement. You claim Jesus is the light and not his disciples. But Jesus Christ told his disciples, You are the light of the world. Who do we believe you or Jesus Christ?

Who is the light that came to the world, Jesus or his disciples who were born sinners? John 3:19

tctrills:
The bible tells you that they did not know good and bad but you seem to know more than God. You decided that somehow, the bible's narrative is incorrect. These are people that didn't even realize their unclothedness. I advise you to stop adding and subtracting from the word. It's ok to believe the bible.

If you need understanding stop being hypocritical with your approach!

The GOOD and BAD mentioned in that verse is not literal just as SERPENT and TREE aren't the serpent and tree we know today.

Adam and Eve surely knows what is good from what is bad literally speaking their problem is about submission they want to be on their own without anyone setting standards for them while they set standards for others.

That's what Satan (Serpent) introduce them to and they welcomed the new development.
Politics is their goal, they won't have to rely on God to tell them how each family will live their lives on the planet rather they will be the rulers or just as the Bible puts it Gods! Psalms 82:6 compare to Genesis 3:5

tctrills:
I wish I understand what you are talking about. But from the little I gathered, you have clarified that you are not the light and I agree with you.
The words of Jesus Christ are, 'Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven.'
You want people to see your honesty, consistency, and love.
And you are right, we all don't believe in the same book but still you should be true to your beliefs.
If you believe in the bible, be true to it. You don't only agree when it aligns with your doctrine.

You missed the message!

Jesus told his disciples:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house "
In another setting Jesus said:

"Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God" John 3:19-21

All of these will not make any sense if you're trashing the CHARACTERISTICS OF LIGHT.

So my friend honesty will guide you here as you meditate on the characteristics of light to know who are the disciples of this man from Nazareth today?

Jesus is the light that came to the world not his disciples they were also part of the world that's in darkness before he came but as soon as they bear the message of light all eyes were fixed on them and everyone starts expecting them to be perfect.
Why?
Because they're helping honest hearted and sincere individuals to come into the camp of light where all eyes are fixed.
None of Jesus' disciples in the first century meet the standard you're setting with your interpretation of the light but the world of their time singled out that group as different from all others:

“We have not received letters about you from Ju·deʹa, nor have any of the brothers who came from there reported or spoken anything bad about you (Paul) But we think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect (group) we know that it is spoken against everywhere. Act 22:28

The above statement was what the honest hearted and sincere Jews said to apostle Paul just as none of your friends here have anything against me as a person but against the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses they're ready to welcome any bad report just to publicize it as if such doesn't happen elsewhere.

So my friend i am just one out of millions that's bearing the light if i stop being a JW today all your friends will like to see me talking against the organization whether it's true or not but as long as i speak for the organization they will not relent in accusing me.

It's well because Jesus has strengthened us with the assurance that we will be hated for bearing the light! Matthew 24:9

If you know what Christianity stand for you will breakdown in tears while embracing a copy of the Bible but due to different religions claiming Christians you won't even give it a second thought before condemning that book.

So i will implore you to have a heart to heart discussion with me over what the book really teach and keep aside the interpretation those religions claiming Christians gave you for a moment.
This has nothing to do with the threat of some fairy place of torment or going to heaven even you will be amazed at what you can gain by studiously considering that book: Bible!

Are you ready?

tctrills:
Anyone can boast to be in the light and to condemn others to the darkness.
The only way we know who is in the dark is by having these discussions and looking out for who's practices and believes are in line with the scriptures. If you claim anyone is in the dark, you need to show which of their actions or practices are against the scriptures.

The SYMBOLIC TERM LIGHT is what you want us to figure out don't forget that there is no specific book that we can all agree upon when using such an illustration,
Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Traditionalists, Christendom, Jews and many others have their own books they revere as HOLY SCRIPTURES so we can't use any of their books as yardstick to determine this that's why Jesus of Nazareth used a symbol that's best fitting instead of a yardstick that may lead to unnecessary arguments due to different opinions and books the best thing to do is to use the CHARACTERISTICS of light.

That day Jesus used light as a symbol of truth even people from the east who may not agree with what Jewish prophets penned down in the book Jesus and his Jewish people are using as yardstick will agree with that illustration but they won't take what the Jewish books say as yardstick to determine whose religion is right.

When i mentioned light and darkness note that i never say i am the light neither do i say i am it's bearer so don't give yourself unnecessary headache by quoting books that some of your friends here don't even believe as truth the characteristics of LIGHT is enough for everyone unless you're no longer comfortable using that symbolic term: "LIGHT"

Walahi talahi Jesus is truly the world's most wonderful counselor of all time! Isaiah 9:6

@ tctrills
These are the characteristics:

*Where there is darkness as thick as semi liquid light will shine through for everyone to see.

*So from the north, east, west and south all eyes will focus on the light.

*Whoever is with the light will be noticed by all and they will all talk about such one.

*The light bearer will see the stain in the body of all those in darkness so he can tell what is wrong in each of them and because he is holding the light all eyes will be on him but as for those in darkness they can't see one another therefore when you ask them what they're seeing they will all continue talking about the light bearer.

*The colour of his dress, his height, his skin color, his haircut, his shoe and everything else they will see but they won't even see themselves.

*Light attracts all eyes while darkness is not noticed by anyone.

So do you agree with this description or not?

If you agree use that for screening!

tctrills:
No one is asking you to rejoice. But it's easy to know when we love or when we don't.
Again are you the light or the darkness?

What are the characteristics of LIGHT?

tctrills:
It's easy to say you love but your actions show otherwise. Love is not hidden.

Love doesn't rejoice with evil! 1 Corinthians 13:6
They want friendship but there's no such between light and darkness, love simply means treat others as you want to be treated!

oteneaaron:
With all your actions on Nairaland, does it show that you love your neighbor as yourself? Do you even know what it means to love yourself? Why quote scriptures when you can't even practice what you preach?

Don't let me take you back memory lane nah!
Now let me expatiate on "love your neighbour as yourself" it simply means i shouldn't treat my neighbour how i don't want to be treated. So think about how i have treated you or anyone on this forum that i don't want to be treated.

oteneaaron:
And yet another LIE. With all the INSULTS and LIES you spread on Nairaland, are you practicing the Bible passage you quoted above?

If you don't insult me i won't insult you.

oteneaaron:
When threads are created, you can't help yourself. You jump on threads to showcase your superior "knowledge and wisdom" even when you were not invited. MaxInDHouse is LYING your natural way of speaking?

Of course my talent must be marketed {Matthew 25:20-22} it's not my fault that yours was taken away from you nah!
Matthew 25:28

oteneaaron:
These were your words:

On this particular thread?

tctrills:
Obviously you love them

Of course they are my neighbours so i must love them {Mark 12:31} they're the ones following me from thread to thread as if i'm their enemy yet Jesus commanded me to love them {Luke 6:27-28} what they're worried about is the LOYAL LOVE i have for my fellow believers which Jesus commanded me! John 13:34-35

That's what they're agitating against they don't want such preference whereas it's our Lord, Master and King Christ Jesus that commanded us to have such love among our fellow believers if we want to be his friend! John 15:12-13