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OLAADEGBU:
Check the OP for biblical quotes and that’s if you have the stomach to bear the truth.

If it's about quoting the Bible everyone could do that but to correlate it with what you're doing is what only God's people can do!

bobestman:
Very well but know that you and your organisation know nothing

We are making use of what we know for now!

OLAADEGBU:
You lied that my pastor and Oyedepo are accusing each other and you expect us to believe that you holy? That’s the fruit I’m referring to that shows what kind of a tree you came out from. This kind of allegation without any factual evidence is what puts you in the same category with the scribes and Pharisees who found it convenient to blackmail my Lord Jesus.

Guy your pronouncing Oyedepo already shows how much you detests the man, can't you call him with the title he claims like your Kumuyi?

Well videos don't tell lies perhaps you should try YouTube to see the truth for yourself!

OLAADEGBU:
I enjoy tormenting you with biblical truths.

Biblical or man's doctrines?

Ọya quote the Bible nah let's see how your religion correlates with biblical truth!

OLAADEGBU:
A drowning man grasping at straws. By their fruits you shall know them. The fruit does not fall far from its tree. This forum is awash with the fruit of Pastor Kumuyi’s ministry. Which one of them do you blackmail him with?

Ọmọ it's the holy ones that the world speaks evil of {Matthew 5:11-12} not their own! John 15:19

Oyedepo and your pastor are accusing each other on social media yet one of Oyedepo's church member on this forum is still hailing your pastor do you know why?
It's because all of you belongs to the world of confusion! 1Corinthians 14:33

But which group doesn't speak evil of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Well it's because we are no part of the world!

tctrills:
You don't even have a single verse that states paradise would be on the earth. I showed you a verse that stated paradise is in heaven. Do who do we believe, you or the bible?
Please read again
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The third heaven is not a literal place but a condition which connotes divine favour.

There are three heavens!

First heaven is where God and angels lives {Psalms 115:16} so we all know that whoever is connected to this realm gains FAVOUR.

Second heaven is human government which will soon be no more including their rebellious subjects who are called EARTH {Isaiah 65:17} presently whoever is connected to this heaven gains FAVOUR in the world.

Third heaven is the condition of those who have gotten the assurance of divine favour while they live we use their examples to ask for FAVOUR from God but now they're in their graves eg Enoch, Moses, Elijah, the thief Jesus gave a Visa to Paradise.

That's what the third heaven symbolizes not the literal heaven where God lives, unless a man is born of Spirit he can't get to heaven! John 3:3-5

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OLÓDO!
I asked him a question he quoted his white supremacist!

OLAADEGBU:
Ajegbodo o’nwani kunra. You should not compare your elders with my pastor. The internet is replete with evidence of your society’s involvement with the Freemason. Don’t let me open the can of cankerworms.

Ẹni tó na ìka kan s'ọ́mọlàkejì, mẹ́rin tókù á máa jẹ́ tiwọn.

What is freemason?

Until everyone knows the meaning it will always remain just a way of naming your enemy:

A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house BEELZEBUB, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

Till this day no professed religion claiming Christians has ever used that word, do you know why? It's because neither Jesus nor his disciples used it against anyone rather it's the false Jewish Rabbis that were using it to BLACKMAIL Jesus and his disciples.

So tell this forum what freemason is and the evil they're doing in the society not just tagging others simply because you heard it!

Are there no BORN AGAIN young ladies in the church you attend? Hebrews 10:24-25

OLAADEGBU:
See who is speaking. It takes one to know another.

Ọmọ no be me talk am sey your dandy in da lord Kumuyi is a freemason, though i don't even know the meaning of freemason but you always talk about other religions as well so take heart as we now know that your dandy in da lord is also one of them!

TenQ:
The grave is not physical : it must be invisible!
SMH!!

Where is the grave of Moses?
You people just think the word GRAVE literally means the common graveyards you see around you.
For your information the word Sheol, Hades and Hell means the land of the dead and it doesn't necessarily mean the common graveyards but the memories of all those who are dead.
Enoch, Moses, Elijah are all in their graves but do you know where they are buried?
NO!
They are simply in God's memory book: Third heaven!

Are they not also your brethren in da lord?

After all they believe all that has to fo with your TRINITY so you can't judge them now it's either you welcome the new development or stay in your lane and face your lord while they also stay in their their lane and face the same lord.
If they believe Jesus is God Almighty has you've always assert then you have nothing to say against them!

tctrills:
MaxinDHouse is yet to quote a single passage of bible that explains this madness.

Call it anything you want that's your personal cup of coffee.

God's people before Jesus has always believe in living forever:

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.  Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance. Psalms 37:9-11

How long are they going to live on planet earth after the evildoers had been removed {Proverbs 2:20-22} God's word answered:

The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

So Paradise is going to be on planet earth not heaven but the government that will rule over the earth will be taken to heaven {John 14:1-3} that's the difference between God's kingdom and Paradise!

tctrills:
This is a no point. Many robbers have been known to repent. Please bring up a better point

I'm not disputing that a former armed robber repents but that a person executed as an armed robber is BORN AGAIN?
Under what condition?
Jesus said a BORN AGAIN must be baptized in water and anointed with God's Holy Spirit when a person enters into this two states he can never ever turn to an armed robber.

God said:

“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.” Hebrews 10:38

BORN AGAIN Christians must meet together regularly to continue encouraging one another so as to love and incite to fine works {Hebrews 10:24-25} whoever is BORN AGAIN must not forsake such gathering and it's impossible for anyone to be in such gathering and still be an ARMED ROBBER.
So there's no sense claiming that the armed robber executed alongside Jesus was a BORN AGAIN Christian!

STEWpid:
Absolute trash as usual.

Let your ancestral gods help you PERSONALLY and stop blaming your misfortune on the gods of others!

TenQ:
All in the third heaven!?
SMH!

Sea is physical
Death is physical
Grave is not physical because many people's graves are not known till today yet they're in God's Memory book e.g. Moses
So people in such conditions are highly favoured: They are in the third heaven

That's why during the transfiguration Jesus was seen talking to Moses and Elijah both are dead but because they're highly favoured we can say they're in the third heaven just like the thief Jesus assured of Paradise!

Bubu4Sea:
if you are for Jesus alone, beware that Kumuyi is a freemason

So it's no longer a secret that Kumuyi self Is one of them!

OLAADEGBU:
Issue

Specific Church Leader on earth

Catholicism:
The Pope

Mormonism:
The Prophet

Jehovah's Witnesses:
Watchtower Organization

Christianity:
None (except, of course, Jesus)

Deeperlife, RCCG, Winners, Apostolic Faith, C.A.C, Christ Embassy, Cherubim and Seraphim, Dunamis, Harvesters, M.F.M, Lord's Chosen just to mention a few which of these different religions is for Jesus?
For your information Kumuyi (Deeperlifers man) and Oyedepo (Winner man) are always at loggerheads yet you're grouping both under the same group claiming they're for Jesus when Jesus himself said his own disciples must have the same line of thought. John 17:22

So are you deceiving yourself or they're deceiving you?

Anytime matters like this arises i wonder how most people's brains turn upside down, you're part of the society that's not developing then you're heaping the blame on others as if you're not part of the same society.

Muslims, Christians, Traditionalists, Atheists and Agnostics are all part of Nigeria and Africa so there's no sense blaming others when you too can do something to make the difference!

TenQ:
The third heaven is under the ground!?
Good night

Read Revelations 20:13
And the SEA gave up the dead in it, and DEATH and the GRAVE gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.

Sea
Death
Grave
Are they all the same condition?

Archangel Michael has always represented his father anytime God's people need deliverance! Daniel 12:1

According to Exodus 13:21 Moses wrote:

And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night

But at Exodus 14:19 Moses wrote:

And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

At Daniel 3:25 we read:

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.



And in the Bible book of John 1:18 we read:

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Now ask yourself could Jesus be the angel of God who has always stand up for the salvation of God's people called Michael? Daniel 12:1

https://www.nairaland.com/1929277/jesus-actually-michael-archangel:)

cornelboy:
Lol who were the first set of disciples to be born again?
The first born agains were the 120 disciples after Jesus' ascension.
The fact that you're even thinking that a convicted armed robber could be a born again is enough to leave you to your unreasonableness.

He is ready to bury his head in the sand than to admit that for the robber to have a Visa to Paradise means himself and all his pastors don't understand what Jesus said @ John 3:3-5

If we're to go by their interpretation that only born again could enter God's kingdom then it means that thief must be a born again Christian.

That's where he is hooked!

tctrills:
Oga your problem is English oh.
Please ask anyone that knows better the meaning of that pharse >:
I understand it's old school English but at least ask before you post na.
Oh just google it.

Ọmọ it's even simpler than you think but your problem is pride because under normal circumstances you will never ever approve an ARMED ROBBER to be a preacher or teacher of God's word talkless standing before you to preach. That man was arrested and executed for robbery and he himself confirmed that he was justly executed for his crimes.
So you hiding behind a finger shows you have no shame while arguing blindly!

tctrills:
You quoted the same verse several times and none indicated that Peter was about crime to society so what was in your mind when you when you went from one version to the other and none was selling your point.

"Let no one SUFFER"

In Christianity we don't suffer anyone no matter what happens we reprove a wrongdoer who goes against the tenets if he's repentant but if not we disfellowship them but in the world a murderer, armed robber, evildoer or busybody SUFFERS if they don't get killed!

TenQ:
Is the third heaven no more grave, Hades and hell?

It is!

tctrills:
He never mentioned he was talking about crime in our society please where did he say he was talking about crime in our society?
I would agree I have no integrity if you point any statement that shows Peter was talking about crimes in the society.

So you're expecting Peter to say:
"this is crime in all societies" shey?

Read what Peter said again:

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭NIV‬‬
If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.

1 Peter 4:15 KJV
But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

1 Peter 4:15 NWT
However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or a wrongdoer or a busybody in other people’s matters

If you don't know i'm telling you today that this is not about religious rules but societal laws, because in Christianity we do not suffer anyone if the worst come we shun a wrongdoer like Jews do treat tax collectors in the first century so who are those that makes others suffer? It's the authority due to SOCIETAL LAWS when broken!

tctrills:
A wrong doer is anyone that does wrong.

Let's base our understanding on this.

So what could be the WRONG Peter was talking about, is it all forms of wrong or wrongdoings that's a crime in the society we live?

tctrills:
It was you that brought Jesus Christ calling people fools. Now you need me to clean your shit?
It was also you that said Paul committed a sin yesterday. So where exactly do you stand? And why do you think I should clean your shit for you

Please go back and read who brought up Jesus Christ in this and who compare Jesus actions to Paul.
Don't confuse yourself

Guy Jesus didn't mean that a Christian shouldn't call someone FOOL when the person goes contrary to what is scriptural that would be tantamount to condemning himself because he called Pharisees FOOLS.

What Jesus meant is for a Christian not to address his fellow believer as FOOL based on personal differences.

Do you get it now?

STEWpid:
The foreign gods could not tell their worshippers the truth because it was handed over to you by deceit to conquer and brainwash you.
YES.
Growth and development is largely based on the attitude of the people.
Are you now saying that the christians and their god could not initiate good attitude that will bring better growth and development all this while??
Then what's the benefit to the Nigerian people?
THAT IS WHY YOUR POLITICIANS ARE SWORN IN WITH BIBLE OR QURAN WITHOUT ANY FEELING OF GUILT TO STEAL AND PLUNDER THE NATION INTO FURTHER MISERY BECAUSE THEY KNOW NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
THE NATION WAS HANDED OVER TO THEM.
THEY ARE THE "ELITE SLAVES".

My friend this is not about any religion but the people, till today Nigeria remains a multi religious nation so you can't blame the underdevelopment on any of the Gods.

Meanwhile Christianity has nothing to do with the development of any nation it's about the organization of people from different nations who have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. They are for no particular country so if anything happens to a country where they're staying they will quickly move to another location just as their leader taught them. No Christian is into politics those you're seeing meddling in politics aren't Christians but different religions claiming Christians!

tctrills:
gospel of Jesus Christ is a one way street. No private interpretation.

So in a nutshell Jesus calling people FOOLS is also a sinner shey?

You must learn by force by fire today.

Go and call your friend because i have ignored that one no matter what he type i will not respond to him but it's like he often boost your ego with his trolling.

The context differs or Jesus himself has sinned.
Pick one!

tctrills:
Oga please use you dictionary. A wrong doer does not mean a criminal. You are not talking to an illiterate JW member

Wrongdoer means what to you Sir?

In any society when we say someone has done what is WRONG it generally means against the law and Peter was talking about what is wrong in all human society so stop deceiving yourself!