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bobestman:
Are you not a fool for such comment? Your JW are the organised ppl abi? And believing them means i believe God.FOOL!

Leave JWs present the ORGANIZED worshipers of your God!

You can't prove someone is a teacher where there is no school so if you're claiming you know any god whereas you can't present any organized people worshiping (rendering sacred service to) the god you claim it makes you a FOOL!

MightySparrow:
That is why you fall into the hands of JWs. If you were a committed Muslim, you could have been a jihadist. Your unseriousness in Islam is a plus for JWs to mumunize you. You are not different from any idol worshipper or Muslim who takes his religion seriously. The first is always the best. Continue to bask in your delusion.

You can lie hen!

So because i don't have a reason to be serious with Islam that's why i left shey?
And i could have been a better person if i joined them in killing my neighbours because of religion shey?

If the Gummi man should call for prayer in a city where worshipers of Zeus are the majority and they got offended when he said:

"There is no God except Allah"

Will it be fine if they should kill him to avoid chaos in the city?

The one asking him question didn't know where to start.

MightySparrow:
If when you left Islam you were introduced to celestial or Winners or Deeper Life or RCCG or Catholic church, that is where you would probably be today.

This is where you and i totally differ!

As a Muslim i wasn't religious so even though my parents were Muslims i still can't figure out the purpose of religion and there were lots of questions locked up in my head that i kept seeking answers.

So unlike you who just left your father's religion to follow the new trend i wasn't in any way moved with religious activities around me until i came in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses, they made me see God as real with my mind's eye that's the first time i began thinking about God as one who is supreme and has an organized people doing His will!

Hohenheim:
You can't have it both ways, we either take it as god's literal word or We take it as a bunch of random texts with some meanings to it

Your decision is not a problem after all each of us will use his brain to figure out what really matters but then instead of concluding when you can't see any benefit an intelligent person will try to find out the benefit of what is in that book.

There is no subject having to do with human behavior that you can take literally and successfully achieve anything because humans are free agents and our thinking is not the same but then those who are really intelligent still figure out how to organize their people.

God's word is full of idioms that you need to be taught it's meanings otherwise you will say "Max is a cheetah" means "Max is an animal" whereas it simply means "Max is really fast"

Aemmyjah:
One who was an elder left angrily
He was given a role to br a pastor in a church
He preach every christendom doctrine
He does not preach hell fire
😂

I got the same offer from several churches as their founders will call me secretly to show me how they're making money and what will be my gain if i should join in fact an old friend said he inherited potent charms from his father so if both of us should join hands we will make a lot of money as i will be the brain behind teachings while he will handle the signs and wonders.

I laughed and told him that if i want to make money throughout fraudulent means i know the way because as an agent all the resources of Nigeria is not hidden from us and we know how to get involved with those controlling it all i just want to worship the only true God as i look intently towards my salvation!

Emusan:
Rather they fear being shunned by their families and loved ones. Many exjws attend other churches after leaving. So stop the lie.

You can never ever see an exjw attend other religious gatherings and still remain active in sacred service!

If you see exjws please ask them to tell you what they believe about God and how to worship Him.

You will see that their brains aren't composed again as they can't do without talking about the organization they left behind. Matthew 25:28-29

WHY?

Because they can never ever find a better performing group with which they should be active in sacred service so they only go about from one religion to another looking for friends to replace the ones they lost among God's people and trust me they can't find such outside Jehovah's Witnesses organization that's why they're always bitter! Matthew 25:30

bobestman:
Anyone who expose the lies of your cultist organisation is an athiest abi? How can an athiest be schooling you with the same bible you carry? I know what those who taught you don't know. I know many things hidden from many of you in that bible. I have debunked your many lies this few days and taught you things beyond your understanding. You should be calling me Teacher not athiest

Guy you be atheist!

Whoever doesn't believe in God is an atheist.
Now this is the indepth meaning of ATHEIST.

An atheist doesn't believe (trust) any unseen entity so to an atheist the one who should be viewed as SUPREME must be visibly active and everyone should see him or her in action not just those worshiping the deity.

You don't agree that there is any organized people doing the will of the god you want to worship therefore you're advocating that all the worshipers on this planet should remain idle until god makes himself /herself /itself visible before we can think of how to go about worship.

Is that not the same thing atheists are saying?

FOOL!

How can you say you believe in a supreme being yet you can't point to any visible organized people worshiping (rendering sacred service to) the one who is supreme?

bobestman:
You are a brainwashed hediot. According to the bible can you give us the names of the babies of Noah apart from the 3 mentioned? Also how many ppl entered the Ark?

According to the Bible Noah entered the Ark with his wife and three sons who were also MARRIED at the time so none of them is a baby therefore they all followed Noah FAITHFULLY into that Ark!

bobestman:
Children who feared God got their father drunk and commited incest? Where did they learned that? Why did their mother missed out? Why did Noah place a curse on one of his faithful son? In a every God fearing home chances are that not all are faithful. I grew up with a JW. His son smokes weed. His daughter are wayward. My friend slept with one of them. They always attend assembly. Their parents are good too. It is all about God's mercy

Faithfulness doesn't translate to infallibility so a faithful person can still err greatly but one thing is sure: All faithful people are ever ready to obey life saving INSTRUCTIONS that is the difference between the INNOCENT and the FAITHFUL.
Noah got himself drunk does that makes him unfaithful?
If it's all about mercy why didn't God have mercy on all?
What makes those shown mercy special?
Ọmọ it's FAITH!
When talking about faith it doesn't mean that all those in Israel back then are law abiding nah but one thing is sure: Israel was God's chosen people at that point in time.
WHY?
Because throughout the earth back then it's in that nation only that pure worship is done!

So your JW family may be wayward just as Eli's sons, Samuel's sons and David's sons but that is the one and only nation where pure worship is practiced, the same way today that is the only organized people fulfilling what God promised about His worshipers in this last days {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that doesn't mean we won't find blunders among them just as blunders were found among God's people in ancient times!

The truth still remains that God never saved the INNOCENT but as for the FAITHFUL He always preserve them!

bobestman:
His mission is to Restore his ppl and rule the world from their land. Acts 1:6 and Isaiah 11. In Acts 1:6 is disciples even ask him to know why the kingdom was not Restored but he told them to wait meaning it is in the future

I don't think Isaiah 53 is about the messiah as christians teach. Read the book of Leviticus about the goats

Funny atheist!

To back your arguments you're quoting the same book that you claim was written by fraudulent authors!

Abraham questioned God regarding the action to destroy he asked God:

"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

So he was so sure that God can only justify the destruction of the evildoers not the righteous!

Sand2022:
Don't think that all you see carry bag really believe what they are taught. Many don't. But they are trapped.

Meaning they know there's no better religion out there otherwise they could have easily left to follow a better performing group!

TenQ:
The spirit of argument has possesed your soul.
Are we speaking of God's objection or man's objection to a wedding!?
Have you ever seen where during a wedding the clergy says
"Oh Lord, Do you have any objection to this wedding?"
"Speak or forever keep quiet!"
I don't have time to waste on you

So when the clergy asked those present to tell any reason why the two shouldn't be joined together they were just joking or wanting to know SCRIPTURAL reasons why they must not be married shey?

It's OK my guy i came to correct the impression that scrutiny during weddings was established by God himself so it's SCRIPTURAL.

May you have PEACE!

bobestman:
Read widely to understand. The one God find righteous was Noah. His grace is what saved his family not that all of them are faithful. In Gen 7 unclean animals entered with the clean
In Sodom and Gomorah Lot and is family were saved cos of Abraham. Lot and his family don't look righteous and we knew by their character. The wife missed it cos she loved that land. We know what they did, Lot and Noah's children after it all. It shows that they were not righteous. Neither are they faithful. Do you now see that it is not just about being faithful. It is God's mercy on the good and bad
What do you have again let me thrash it

Noah has babies as children or adults who FAITHFULLY followed their father's conduct?

Did Abraham called Lot on phone to tell him that he should be HOSPITABLE to the angels?

Ọmọ Noah and his grown up sons were FAITHFUL just as Lot and his two daughters that's why they were preserved whereas all the INNOCENT babies in their environment were DESTROYED!

Hohenheim:
So we're not supposed to take the bible literally?

The Author suggests TEACHING so that you can understand what is written in His book {Matthew 28:20} but if you choose to read like a novel you can't see anything because you will continue saying "it doesn't make sense" whereas millions around the world are benefiting from the things they've learned in it. Isaiah 48:17-18

The particular place you're quoting is not meant to be taking literally that's why i gave you the MEANING.

So instead of concluding on what you feel it's saying form the habit of asking to understand it's message! Proverbs 2:1-5 compare to Matthew 7:7-8

TenQ:
If the tradition did not originate from Adam and Eve, tell me who the tradition originated from. At least, there is no where God Commanded such in the Bible.

God commanded it in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 7:3~
"You must not form any marriage alliances with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons"

How else do you want it to be written that God raised OBJECTION against some forms of union in marriage?

It originated from His friend Abraham {James 2:23} when he made his slave to swear that the man must make sure that Isaac never marry a woman among the Canaanites! Genesis 24:1-4

If you're waiting for where God said it word for word then you're not ready to learn because there's nothing to learn when something has been written plainly all you need is just to read but we learn when knowledgeable people substantiate matters!

TenQ:
In other words, it is a tradition inherited from Adam and Eve? SMH!!

You hate to be corrected when you err!

What has Adam and Eve got to do with this?

If scrutiny regarding marriage was from Adam will people be commiting fornication and adultery?

I showed you how the tradition started from Abraham the first human to object to marriage alliance with people who don't share his belief, as at the time Abraham objected to marrying from Canaan can you point to where it was written that the patriarch should do so?

Ọmọ if you truly want to learn humble yourself and learn, scrutiny regarding marriage started from our father in the faith (Abraham)

So whoever finds fault with it is not one of his children by faith! Galatians 3:29

TenQ:
So, you are following traditions of men as you cannot find a single scripture to back up your assertion!

Is it where the standard was set word for word that you want or how scriptural is the heritage?

Before Moses there was no written law that says:
"you must not sleep with another man's wife"

Yet Joseph refused to sleep with Potiphar's wife.

WHY?

Because the tradition says the wife must be one approved by the parents.

So if you feel the tradition Abraham passed on to Isaac which was passed on to Jacob is men's tradition then there's no need claiming you're one of Abraham's seed. Galatians 3:29
We do have a rich heritage as God's people! Isaiah 54:17

sonmvayina:
Death is just an illusion...
A big deception...no need to fear

So when your wife or son die you need not feel bad after all it's just an illusion.

TenQ:
To, who then according to the Bible will ask the question? Can you show me the verse?

God set the standard so His representative will be the one to make sure those getting married in His name are called to order.

TenQ:
Are you saying that the culture of asking if any one have anything against the marriage union is found in the Bible? I want to learn: can you show me from the scripture?

The God of Abraham, Abraham himself and Isaac his son all objected to marriage alliance with certain people so it's SCRIPTURAL to be sure if anyone is ready to OBJECT to a marriage proposal.

TenQ:
The culture of asking if any one have anything against the union is not found in the Bible but it is an aplmicaiof common sense.

Why did Abraham insisted that His son mustn't marry among Canaanites? Genesis 24:2-4
Why did Isaac and Rebecca got upset when Esau marry Canaanite girls? Genesis 26:34-35
Why did God insisted that Israelites must not marry among the Canaanites? Deuteronomy 7:3

Back in Bible times the only way to be certain that both spouses are good to go as husband and wife is when both parents consented to the marriage. So the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have laid the foundation to question any marriage alliance that's not built on solid foundation.

That story is not to be taken literally but since you've chosen to take it that way you may clap for yourself.

Adam and Eve: first human couple to walk the earth.
Fruit in the middle of the garden: the right to set standard to govern the intelligent beings.
Serpent: snake possessed by a powerful but rebellious angel who wants to introduce politics to humans.
Eating the forbidden fruit: consenting to the idea that humans can set standards among themselves without God.
Couple nak€d: allowing the two to enjoy intimacy so they can know each other perfectly.
Driving them out of the garden: God left them to their fate never to have anything to do with them again so they grew old, got sick and died since the one who supposed to sustain them has abandoned them.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If your religion can't meet up with the above as achievements know that your God is FAKE!

If you're studying the history of a race and the book says:
"In the future those practicing what the founder says will be doing something" and you are reading the history thousands of years later but none of those claiming they belong to that place are doing what the book said would you still continues considering them that they're truly living up to expectations?

This is what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said about His true worshipers in the last days:


And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

Neither Judaists or Zionists can boast about the fulfilment of this prophecy as an achievement so none of them is worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob today!

bobestman:
What happened their has nothing to do with the faithful or innocent but whoever wishes to enter.

So what do you call those entering the Ark is it just a wish or FAITH in the God who told Noah to build the Ark for the safety of those that will enter?

Look critically into the matter:

The INNOCENT
The FAITHFUL

Which ones entered the Ark for their salvation?

bobestman:
You are a FOOL! Little children have no sin.

We will know the FOOL today!

So what about the angel of death that killed all the firstborn in Egypt?
What of the command that Israelites should kill all the inhabitants of Jericho?
Why did God commanded the Israelites to kill all the inhabitants of Amalek?

What is the SIN of the little children in those places after all they're INNOCENT?

Deadi bodi get accident yeepa
Confusion breaki bonu yeepa
Na double wahala for deadi bodi
And the owner of deadi bodi
Double wahala for deadi bodi #

OLAADEGBU:
"Men and women, they're different. Men have to have testosterone. And especially, in cases of war,...who do you think is going to save you? The metrosexual guy in the city or somebody who has testosterone, [who] is in the army?" - Fabio.

FOOL!
Now it's obvious to everyone that you don't know what it means to BELIEVE in JESUS that useless pastor of yours is only feeding you people with nonsense and Ingredients.

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST which means if someone say something that's totally strange to trust such a person will become a difficulty but those putting their trust in the sayings of such a person are the ones BELIEVING him.

Jesus commanded his own disciples:

"But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you. To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold the inner garment either. Give to everyone asking you, and from the one taking your things away, do not ask them back". Luke 6:27-30

What about when our lives are in danger due to enemies wanting to kill us?
Jesus commanded:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52

What about our landed properties that we can't move?
Jesus commanded:

"When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives." Matthew 10:23

So why is Jesus issuing such orders when there is certainty that we will have to face the threat of wars?

It's because he is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his disciples must always sue for Peace at all times {Matthew 5:43-48} if Nigeria and Ghana are to engage in war how can you love your fellow Deeperlifers the same way Jesus loves his own disciples {John 13:34-35} now that your members are in the army?
Would a Ghanaian soldier spare your Kumuyi during war simply because he is a pastor?

Well Jehovah's Witnesses from both countries will be prepared to die in order to rescue our own fellow believers never to raise weapons against anyone because we believe (trust) Jesus who said:

"Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it" Matthew 10:39

Jesus is the resurrection and life so trusting in his orders is like securing our resurrection hope {John 11:25} that's why we are fully prepared to OBEY God's only begotten son by loving our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} loving our neighbours {Mark 12:31} and loving our fellow believers just as he love us! John 13:34-35

Now tell me what Kumuyi has to say about war when your church members are serving in the army in both countries engaging in WAR!

Polygamy, Underage marriage and Hypnotism is not welcome in a Christian marriage so if a spouse is already married, underage or hypnotized the third party has the right to speak up before they are joined together in the name of our now reigning king Christ Jesus!

musicwriter:
The book of second Peter is a FRAUD.

With this you've proved that you're not talking about any proof but you just don't want the truth about Jesus of Nazareth.

This is what i saw that i wanted to correct that impression:

musicwriter:
Nobody in history or in the bible claimed to have had any contact with Jesus.

So if you're now saying the Bible book of Peter is a fraud definitely what you want to here is that the Bible in complete is a fraud.

Thanks for your time and may you have PEACE!