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musicwriter:
That's what those who have enslaved your mind told you. But it's not true. If China conquered the world like Europeans, they'll make the same claim about their son of God Confucius.

Jesus conquered with the words of his mouth and his captives have become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers never using weapons to resolve disputes again.
Tell me the country that has achieved that!

22jumpstreet1:
you would have a hard time convincing him about that group..
.I have hammered it into his thick skull that the membership of a group is not a prerequisite to be a good person and that he does not need Jesus for that but it always looks like am talking to a dummy..
it is about following laws for us to leave in peace...
he will never understand..

Just present an organization of people living in peace without the use of weapons and the law they're using that's all i need from you to know that Jesus in not needed!

musicwriter:
Oh! You're a witness?

I attended Jehovah's witnesses church in my village as a kid, and even after leaving Christianity, I can admittedly say that you people have a good philosophy if only you can remove the Jesus mythology.

You don't need Jesus to know God or to be a good person. China and Japan are among the least corrupt countries in the world. They did it without Jesus.

Jesus is the God of slaves, God of defeated people. Were your ancestors conquered by another culture? That's why you believe in Jesus.

So have those people been able to relate with their fellow humans around the globe without using weapons against one another?

Ọmọ Jesus didn't come for people to be isolated from their neighbours in other countries he came to unite people throughout the earth just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally in fulfilment of the prophecy written before his coming! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

MindHacker9009:
The benefit is knowing the True Almighty God of the Jews and not the Roman empire invented god of the New Testament.

Just to have head knowledge like all other religions around you that Zeus is the God of the Greeks, Jupiter is the God of Romans and nothing practical to gain?

OK o!

musicwriter:
Why would an all powerful God create a religion that would need restoration? What prevented such a fool from creating a perfect one in the first place? And why would you trust such a fool that allowed people to kill innocent people around the world just so that he'll be known?

Jehovah established a religion with a covenant and the Israelites were the chosen nation to hold onto that covenant until Christ comes.
Christ is the person that will teach them and make them understand the reason why some laws were given because he knew God so much more than all the imperfect humans who were inspired to pen down those words.

That's why Moses said:

Then Jehovah said to me, ‘What they have said is good. I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:17-19

The prophet raised among the Israelites like Moses is Jesus of Nazareth according to God's word Moses was God among his contemporaries {Exodus 7:1} just as Jesus was God {John 1:1} Moses was the lawgiver just as Jesus was a lawgiver, Moses was a mediator between God and the Israelites just as Jesus was a mediator between God and faithful humans.

So Peter confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is the prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses. Act 3:22

I know it will come to this because you thought you've wrapped it all up saying Christians are the dumbest but now that true Christians are teaching you what you missed you're becoming abusive against God Himself.

U have told you:
"ask any question that may come up into your heart but calm down and reason not just concluding rashly"

May you have PEACE!

musicwriter:
Bro, I already know your problem. Any indoctrination provides the victim the arguments to support itself.

So when people from different backgrounds, different cultures, different social status come together to agree on what you call a myth to you all these millions were indoctrinated shey?

Well you've chosen your path but it can never change the fact that a first century Jewish young man named Jesus of Nazareth issued an order that people should stop raising weapons against their fellow humans {Matthew 26:52} and millions today from different geographical locations on this planet are obeying him as his true disciples. Act 1:8

Do you know what a commander means?

Well let me tell you a little about the army:
The aim of any army is to capture their victims alive not to kill them because that's the living proof that they're powerful, intelligent and skillful much more than their captives.

Since the world has been created Jesus of Nazareth is the first and last army commander who issued such order and today his order is still in force.

Without physical weapons or the use of force his disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) have penetrated almost all the countries on this planet catching people alive {Luke 5:10} using what Jesus taught them to erase hatred from the hearts of their captives and not only that but making the captives more fighters for the battle Jesus Christ recruited them {Matthew 28:18-20} but what have you got to say after seeing all these with your own eyes?

"INDOCTRINATION"

Obviously you don't know the indepth meaning of that word because if you do you should know that people indoctrinated can't point out any benefit in what they're doing not to talk of an organization that's achieving what all other organizations ever formed by man has failed woefully to achieve!

Why do you think organizations like FIFA, OLYMPIC and many more were formed?
OK you just think they were formed simply for sports shey?
Ọmọ what is the essence of engaging in sport when my families back home are killing your families or vise versa?

For your information those organizations were formed to make peace reign among all the members, none as in NONE has ever achieved 1% of what Jesus' disciples are doing today globally.

So before using a word think deeply on it's meaning, indoctrination is far from what God's people are doing today!

musicwriter:
Of course, he can't show where they wrote it because it didn't happen. Period.
Even the one he showed saying "we" is a Greco-Roman forgery/edit into the bible. Unfortunately, he's not even aware there are many forgeries in the bible.

Critics can come up with a million excuses to contradict what was written in the Bible ọmọ all that is late now because you can't deny the existence of Wright Brothers while seeing the aeroplane they discovered just as nobody can explain how obedient people from different geographical locations on this planet came together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} while billions are still confused not aware of the reason why they have to continue fighting and killing one another simply because two men ordered them to go killing or get killed! Revelations 6:3-4

With JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION on this planet ọmọ no criticism against Jesus can stand anymore! Matthew 5:14-16

musicwriter:
There's no debate any place about the existence of the Wright brothers, so it's a meaningless comparison.

Of course you can't worry about the Wright brothers because nobody is talking about OBEDIENCE to them other than enjoying what they invented but as for Jesus obedience is required and most people are rebellious so it's due to their rebellious hearts that they're scheming all sorts of criticism against Jesus of Nazareth.
However if someone hates the story of Wright Brothers he may not like to talk about them or what they invented moreover if someone wish they never existed he may choose never to think about how they discovered aeroplane and such a person will always find a thousand and one evil in travelling by air.
Today Jesus' disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) have successfully erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons in the hearts of millions across the globe simply because they reasoned with the wise counsel of Jesus Christ just as it has been prophesied in God's word even before Jesus was born! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So whether you accept it or not the evidence that Jesus Christ once walked on this planet is here to stay they are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES he said:

"(They) will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon (them), and (they) will be witnesses of (him) in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

My friend go to America, go to Australia, go to Asia, go to Europe and here in Africa you will see people peacefully declaring the Good News of God's kingdom as the only solution to mankind's problem while unbelievers are confused using weapons to fight and kill one another due to politics! Revelations 6:3-4

In the name of our now reigning king Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour who is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} may you have PEACE!

The world's fastest growing religion is POLITICS that's the religion billions across the globe are joining unknowingly, it was introduced by a Babylonian King called Nebuchadnezzar.
So when you see a flag been raised, musical instruments been played and people from all geographical locations on this planet saluting it know today that that's the fastest growing religion commanding billions not Islam otherwise a Muslim won't raise weapons against another Muslim if they're both sure that they are brothers in faith.
But when you see two persons saluting the same flag they will never ever raise weapons against each other!

Maynman:
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So he wasn't there, he just heard that Moses appeared too just as we are hearing
So which book did these 3 write this story, let's see how they wrote it, I am sure it'll be different from Matthew that just heard it also

There are different ways we get information so your absence at an event doesn't mean it never happened most especially when you're seeing the EFFECTS all around you!

musicwriter:
Peter didn't answer my question.
However, Peter actually showed how the original text was written in Greek.
You notice that Peter never mentioned Jesus? There's a reason for that.
The reason is that in the original pre-Septuagint/Greek translation from Hebrew/Aramaic, the scripts said "him" or "he" or "his" in place of Jesus because the original story was told with stock characterization to enable anybody, cultural affix their own super hero. Greco-Romans filled in Jesus much later.
But the original scripts said he, him, his, NOT Jesus!!

You can only argue where there is no evidence the proof that Jesus is a real historical figure is here today, you can imagine someone telling you that the Wright Brothers never existed and all the stories about them was cooked up when the world now have flying vessels carrying people from one continent to another would you swallow such criticism after seeing the aeroplane with your own eyes?
So if someone told you that all stories about gods and deities were cooked up you have reasons to believe such stories but not in this case where the disciples of Christ Jesus are zealously preaching and industriously teaching what he commanded throughout the earth as they keep on erasing the use of weapons in the hearts of millions from different geographical locations on this planet today! Act 1:8

So instead of this your preparedness to argue why not ask me why Jesus can't be erased from history?

musicwriter:
"We and Jesus"
"We saw Jesus"

Peter has answered your question in the Bible book of 2Peter 1:17

So there's no need for arguments as Peter said:

"For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.” Yes, these words we heard coming from heaven while we were with (Jesus) in the holy mountain"

If you have further questions feel free to ask thanks and may you have PEACE!

Maynman:
How did Matthew then know about the story if he was not present? Where was he when this was going on, and why didn't he record that?

According to the book Jesus selected twelve men out of his numerous disciples and called them "Apostles" {Luke 6:13} so it's among these twelve that Matthew happens to be one {Matthew 10:2; Luke 6:14-16} but the day he went to that mountain he took three out of his apostles there {Matthew 17:1} you don't need to be told that the rest of the twelve heard from these three nah?

FRANCISTOWN:
Anyone who wants to understand light must also study on darkness. Anyone who wants to know the truth must first know that the lie is.
Anyone who wants to succeed must know how to fail so he can avoid it.
Your bible says:
2 Cor 2:11 "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."
So see your bible as darkness, lie and ...

Your problem is not much you only need to calm down and reason that's all.

I defined the indepth meaning of ATHEISM for you but instead of you to calm down and reason you wanted to limit your understanding to what others told you now you're here wanting to talk about the Bible.

Well Jehovah created everything so we are all His people the only difference between an Israelite and a none Israelites is pure worship as long as you're interested in pure worship you automatically become one of Jehovah's people no matter where you come from.

Rahab and Ruth weren't Israelites but due to the love they had for pure worship Jehovah so much love these two to the extent that their names were included in the list of His faithful worshipers {Hebrews 11:31} and do you know who was given all the authority over death? Well it's Jesus Christ who will resurrect all those sleeping in death and both Rahab and Ruth were counted as part of his earthly ancestors, surely Jesus can never forget his two great grandmothers even if he forgets some people in their graves {Matthew 1:5} in fact the books of the Bible were named after male worshipers of Jehovah only two were named after females and RUTH happens to be one of these two.

So if you're ready to discuss about truth and falsehood i'm with you but don't just think you can wrap it all up in few sentences infused in your head by those white supremacists you're following.

Maynman:
Is the author not with "them"?

It should read "And, behold, there appeared unto US Moses and Elias talking with him.

The writer (Matthew) wasn't present in this case those with Jesus that day were Peter, James and John! Matthew 17:1

musicwriter:
Nobody in history or in the bible claimed to have had any contact with Jesus.

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him (JESUS) in the holy mount.2 Peter 1:17-18 KJV
Compare to:

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 17:1-5

So Matthew and John were eyewitnesses of what Jesus said, did and taught though they penned down their gospels some decades after Jesus' ascension to heaven but Peter here in his letter mentioned it that himself and two other disciples were with Jesus on the mountain when he was transfigured right in their presence.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16

This answers it all but unless true disciples of Christ TEACH you there's no way you can grasp what is happening.

From Genesis to Revelations no human qualifies for everlasting life except Jesus of Nazareth so even though many will be resurrected during Christ's thousand years reign they must become perfect like Jesus before they can be granted everlasting life in Paradise {Revelations 20:5-6} only BORN AGAIN Christians are free from accusations as they will no longer live in the flesh as humans but they will be transformed into angels! Luke 20:34-36
Slavery
War Crimes
Gambling
Marrying underage
Jesus never got involved in any of these, as for intoxicants it's never a sin unless taking excessively.

sonmvayina:
You just don't want to admit to the fact that you are being lied to

You've been told the TRUTH jàre just that your truth isn't WORKING out anything beneficial anywhere!

This is the funniest comment ever on this forum!

FRANCISTOWN:
Your bible does not have a name for anyone who believes in the promises of yhwh aside the fact that they are yhwh's people.
Imagine an ATHEIST having to school a christain on scriptural affairs.
What a shame.

You who doesn't believe in anything call God is now so much interested in matters having to do with God to the extent you're declaring some people "God's people"

Walahi talahi this is the funniest comment on Nairaland!

MindHacker9009:
May you MaxInDHouse and your organisation hold a Jew like Rabbi Skobac הברית החדשה to learn from him The TRUE GOD of The Old Testament.

What is the benefit those learning from your rabbi are enjoying in a PRACTICAL sense?

The first thing should be acknowledgement of the one who is supreme: GOD

If both parties acknowledge that there is a Creator and that there's a purpose why we are here then each person can figure out the part to play in order to make life meaningful but where any of the parties fail to acknowledge God then the journey will be so tough and rough.

God created only one gender in the beginning the other gender was created as a compliment for the first {Genesis 2:18} with this knowledge the man should know that the woman in under his care and supervision, he should care for her physical, spiritual and emotional needs that's why God's word told the man "you must love her just as you love your own body" {Ephesians 5:28-29} but even though the woman also needs to love her husband God emphatically told he "the wife should have DEEP respect for her husband" Ephesians 5:33

To fully grasp this in a simple way notice what a man feels when slapped instead of thinking about hatred he takes it as disrespect but if the same should happen to a woman will say "he hates me"

So the man needs to love her while she must have deep respect for him!

The reason why God made arrangements for a book to be written should be known. Adam is the man who caused it by turning away from the purpose for which man was created man supposed to be a free agent among other creatures using his gifts to improve on what God made on planet earth but Adam choose to rebel against his Creator thinking he could become the one to set standards for coming generations of humans. That is what led to all the troubles facing mankind till today.

So the Bible is God's message to man telling us about how life began, how trouble started, the plans God has made to solve the problem and what those who wants to continue living ought to do in order to be part of the success story.

From Genesis to Malachi shows how God created the earth, how mankind got into trouble, how God promised a saviour, how God chose a nation through which the saviour will be born and what part the saviour will play in the redemption of mankind.

Matthew to Revelations shows how the saviour was born among the Jews, how he started a movement that will get all obedient humans involved in the global educational program which will lead millions to redemption, how the enemy with his agents will try to stop the movement and what the movement will achieve before God send His heavenly armies to come and end all badness.

So whatever man needs to know about this program has been WRITTEN in the Bible making the book COMPLETE that's why the Author could say in the last book:


“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an ADDITION to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll. Revelations 22:18-19

The highlighted simply means NO ADDITION and NO SUBTRACTION!

Aemmyjah:
I so love this comments.
Your comments always lead to a fine, thought-provoking and interesting conclusion

Jehovah's is rocking the nations and the valuable things of the nations is falling into God's house.

When some read my comments they often say it's because i was born among JWs unknown to them that i found the truth, sold everything i had to buy it!

HugeElephant:
If things aren't right, at least I'm human and can question the Most High. Regardless what the questions are, the Most High remains the Most High.

Questioning God isn't evil after all Abraham the patriarch questioned God:

That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25

From the above Abraham is QUESTIONING God based on what he knew about Him as the righteous judge but most people don't know how to make God their friend {James 2:23} due to the selfishness in their hearts they feel once they become God's friend they should control the whole planet and all the riches in it, that is not what Abraham had in mind remember the man remain childless not until his old age that is what most people don't know.

Today you can't question God the way Abraham did because you won't hear anyone unlike God was speaking directly with Abraham but you can ask questions by studying the Bible with Jesus' disciples sent to come and visit you in your home, they will answer all the questions you have using the Bible just as Jesus did among the Jews.

The problem here is complicated because to be candid a so called Christian supposed to be an unbeliever from the viewpoint of a Traditionalist since he or she doesn't believe in the God the Traditionalist worship but the funny thing is that the word (UNBELIEVER) has been in use among churchgoers and Muslims only so it's only the Traditionalist that's counted as unbeliever.
When contemplating marriage each religionist should marry only among his or her own fellow believers that's what can guarantee some level of understanding.
Sex is another thing on its own when a person is sexually attracted to another they claim it's love but by the time sexual attraction is no more trouble starts which only could be solved by the force driving their thoughts: FAITH

capnies:
YOU USE INSULTING WORDS AND THAT DOESN'T PORTRAY THE CHILD OF THE KINGDOM.

Ye FOOLS and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?Matthew 23:17

Is Jesus a child of the kingdom? Isaiah 9:6

O FOOLISH Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?Galatians 3:1

Is Paul a child of the Kingdom?

If you want to learn ask questions and we will teach you.

What a relief when i checked and found out you are not the OP.

So please hold onto your personal opinion no one is forcing this on you!

descarado:
It hunts no one.
All these psychological jargon don't work anymore as less and less people believe in it.

Moral judges.
As if y'all can do what you preach.
Had it been like that, Nigeria wouldn't have reached this rotten stage.
The only thing that give people joy, you want to deny them too. How cruel of you.
As long as they are faithful and use raincoat, go for yearly checks, all is good.

Some might not even have erection mid thirties sef.

Bestbrain123:
To author=MaxInDHouse post= no wonder you are so immune to other same christian believers IDEALS . JEHOVAH WITHNESS have so circle your mind that you don't even see the fault anyone except their doctrine.

Jesus said when the traveler found a field having precious gem he sold all that he had to buy that field. Matthew 13:45-46

So instead of thinking about my attitude towards what i found why not think of a better performing group of people than Jehovah's Witnesses on this planet?

Premarital sex will lead to distrust and it will continue to hunt those involved as they feel nothing is holding them back from sex outside their marriage.

Lingudy:
Only them can answer this.

They don't want to be part of a failed marriage!

There are lots of things that could lead to a failed marriage the biggest problem is religion so if the two aren't practicing the same religion they're already building their house on a poor foundation that's why wise persons like JWs will not like to be a party to it.

Bestbrain123:
There has never been a time, the bible was believed to be from it original source, starting from roman era... Translation stroke manuplation.. Even the puritan bible if not a rejected doctrine, it will be a unaccepted book TOBAH, book of Enoch and many many more... does all this selected ones qualify the truth of Gods word. when believers accept the ones they are most comfortable with. one of those still bothering some churches is the concept of TRINITY.

The Bible's Author (GOD) had told you what will be the result if adherents grasp the message found in it.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.Isaiah 2:2-4

Note the highlighted in blue: it's not all the people that will get the sense of what God said that's why Jesus said only few are finding the WAY (SOLUTION) to mankind's problem {Matthew 7:13-14} and what will the rest of mankind be doing at the time those that understood God's will are doing it?
Revelations has this to say:

And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Revelation 6:3-4

So when JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are fulfilling what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 politics will not allow others to understand what is happening instead of having love among themselves like Jehovah's Witnesses {John 13:34-35} they will be fighting and killing one another!

Bestbrain123:
All this writeup and so called prophesies,and histories are line to promote religion and unite the world.. But in attempt to this, religion failed in one thing.. ALL RELIGION PUT TOGETHER ARE EQUALLY WRONG.. ( still trying to know hw they will achieve this unity)

Imagine you're a professor of science who made a textbook on how to make electric car you wrote down all the process step by step in the textbook and after you many schools are using your textbook but none could produce an electric car then after thousands of years some men picked up your textbook and began studying it diligently to find out where all those schools went wrong so they discovered that it was the application of what you wrote that they got wrong therefore these few men began calling on schools to tell them what they discovered but none listened to them so they concluded on doing it on their own and they began gathering students only to be trained by themselves and at last a perfect electric car was made but instead of the other schools to follow the same process they all rejected it and continued in their mistakes.

Do you think your textbook should be scrapped simply because 99.99999 schools failed to produce an electric car?

Of course not as long as one school is able to produce a perfect electric car your textbook remain valid.

That's exactly what is happening today!

All the religions on planet earth failed to make peace reign among their adherents with the exemption of one:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
With what is found written in the Bible this group has gone throughout the earth to gather people from different geographical locations and made them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So the evidence that God directed the writers of the Bible is here today as we have a global family of peace loving worshipers:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!