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elated177:
Maxindhouse and group.

Since you don't want to talk about group there's no need mentioning names at least you are convinced that you're doing the will of your PERSONAL God just as i am also convinced that i'm doing the will of my PERSONAL God!

MindHacker9009:
You mean the invented messiah. Israel was like Gaza today 2000 year ago. The Jesus Christ story is an invention by the Roman Empire in the first century.

Please try to convince him that Jesus never existed but was just an invention of some sort!

Matinox:
Does the highlighted above mean I can partly enjoy some before the Kingdom comes?

YES!
This is what transpired between Jesus and his apostles perhaps we can learn one or two things from this conversation:


After looking around, Jesus said to his disciples: “How difficult it will be for those with money to enter into the Kingdom of God!” But the disciples were surprised at his words. Jesus then responded: “Children, how difficult it is to enter into the Kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.”  They became still more astounded and said to him: “Who possibly can be saved?” Looking straight at them, Jesus said: “With men it is impossible but not so with God, for all things are possible with God.” Peter began to say to him: “Look! We have left all things and followed you.” Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news. who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life". Mark 10:24-30

According to the above conversation between Christ Jesus and his apostles riches may become hindrance for many, Peter said they (apostles) have left everything they had just to become common preachers and teachers going from one place to another with Jesus so what exactly will be their gain.
Jesus made him understand that if they should continue doing what he told them soon they will make disciples in many places so they can have families throughout those places and they will be able to sleep in different towns as their brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus will be there to welcome them as fellow believers they can also learn and enjoy other trades to make little money {Act 18:3} so when they're able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4} they have surely done God's will therefore everlasting life will be sure for them!

So there are some things we believers are enjoying today but not all our heart's desires!

MightySparrow:
Mumunization of sheepies.
Kenneth Cook controlling the minds of mumus with irrelevant scriptures.
These dudes have mastered the art of deception.
Be honest, have they not mumunized you?

MightySparrow:
The whole story of redemption somehow not logical.It generates much questions than answers it intends to proffer.
Why would a third party die for a sin not committed?
Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once? Theologians in the house over to you.

Answer your own question if you're not doubting God and His word!

cornelboy:
Spot on!

I love helping when sincere questions are being asked. Satan's agents disguising as God's servants have lied to many and by the time they do everything they're asked to do wholeheartedly but can't see any relief they will turn to ATHEISM.
So before then we need to tell them the truth about God's promises, none among the first century Christians expected any kind of enjoyment in this world because they knew that what Jesus promised them will only be gotten when God's kingdom is here!

Matinox:
Does this mean that I cannot enjoy the promises of God in scripture when I become a new creature? And have to wait till His Kingdom comes?

All His promises are to be fully enjoyed when His Kingdom comes until then we just have to manage whatever situation we find ourselves as believers!

bobestman:
What has our discussion here has to do with long dead children? We are talking about the living not dead. Stick to that. Stop using anything to justify your ignorance
. Both the righteous and the wicked die everyday
Why do you always act like someone they hijacked his brain. I am right anyway for telling you that in the other thread

So you can't answer that shey?

Well God saved only the FAITHFUL when all the INNOCENT were DESTROYED back then.

That's the truth!

MightySparrow:
What about the part you cut off where your GB members are deceiving you?GB mumunizing your brain?

Answer your own question if you're not doubting God and His word!

First of all we need to know what God's said about we humans in general:

All (mankind) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 2:23

This means we aren't fit to fulfil what God said in the beginning in a perfect sense when God said:

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

After Adam sinned the highlighted in blue has been removed henceforth we have to be extra careful when doing certain things.
You can't just choose someone and marry him or her simply because both of you are good friends otherwise you have to sacrifice other things you may like due to the love you have for such a person.

Genotype shouldn't have been a problem at all if mankind is not under the curse of Adamic sin {Romans 5:12} we could have walked up to anyone we choose and start a happy family.


As regards what God can do He never promise mankind a solution to our problems now so all our problems will be solved when His kingdom come {Matthew 6:9-10} what we need now is try to cope with whatever situation we find ourselves the assurance is there that Christ Jesus has paid for our sin so when the richly blessing is here we will have all our heart desires! John 16:33

bobestman:
It is far better to be innocent than to be faithful.

Going by your comment let's reason together.

During the destruction of people in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, and Jericho there were little children and babies back then, are those little ones INNOCENT or not?

cornelboy:
Confused disciples that are anticipating for the front table in heaven.
Na them dẹ turn atheist last last.

The idiot has always have doubts but he doesn't know how to come out openly because he's just following the crowd {Exodus 23:1-2} if anyone should come out to help him he will never ever say thank you as long as you tell him to join a better performing group, all he wants is support for his choice of religion!

MightySparrow:
Make your contribution. It is a rhetorical question.

Rhetorical indeed àbí you're doubting yourself?
Idiot of the highest order.
No sane person ask rhetorical question without answering for others to know what he meant.
You aren't asking any rhetorical question rather you're expressing your doubt about the Bible, God and Jesus simple!

So what about people who must live their lives not the way they want but in line with what the book thought to be written by others say?

You're just a fool because as long as you're quoting some books and talking about someone else apart from me to live my own life you and all those following such a lifestyle are brainwashed and also members of a cult if we're to go by your erroneous definition!

bobestman:
@Maxindhouse the Jw bono, a cult is a group of ppl that their brains have been hijacked. They are bound under oath to follow the rules given to them even if it wrong. The bible may make certain things clear but cults will say otherwise. The bible may give many reasons that angel Micheal is not the christian Jesus but a certain Jw cult will say otherwise. Fools like you would rather stick to what your cult says. You can never use your brain again cos Jw has put it inside a bottle

I have told you several times that Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 has nothing to do with the cult JW. To fulfill it Isreal must first be restored - Isaiah 11:11-12. Their land is where Mount Zion the highest peak on earth is and where the temple of God will stand. The messiah will also be present their in a body to judge nations. The law will continue their. Do you keep the laws? This is a global thing that will happen in the original hebrew land. JWs are thieves who steal what does not belong to them cos they want to be called chosen ppl

MightySparrow:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxpmZ8udr3SVmwA4jbe2V_DJvql272a55q?si=R1gW64705PaxqMCv



The Jehovah's Witnesses's Governing Body has prized themselves as the sole custodian and dispenser of God's knowledge and are also saddled with the responsibility of separating the sheep from the goats.

Since 1919, Jehovah handled commissioned them to undertake these tasks. Though, they teach that the Holy Spirit does not talk to man anymore, how the Holy Spirit gives them conflicting information, interpretation, and direction is still a thing to wonder at.

One Jeffrey Winder, supposedly, one of the Governing Body members was telling members that any errors in their interpretations of the scriptures are backed up by Jehovah Himself. So, the Governing Body does not have to apologize to anyone for any reason whatsoever. They shift the blame to Jehovah and the Holy Spirit.

I personally feel that this group are master deceivers who has mastered the art of hypnotizing their innocent, ignorant sheepies. Interestingly, some of these followers are highly placed people in the careers, lawyers, academics, captains of industries etc How they are comfortable with this High level of manipulation beats my imagination.

C C:
MaximumSide
Emusan
Achorlardey
Janosky
Aemmyjay
other witnesses.

Papa Oyedepo is really making disciples!

MightySparrow:
The whole story of redemption somehow not logical.It generates much questions than answers it intends to proffer.
Why would a third party die for a sin not committed?
Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once? Theologians in the house over to you.

musicwriter:
"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

I believe by now the OP can see that there is a disciple who stated the above so there's no need arguing further with anyone on the matter, Jesus is a real person who walked on this planet and was witnessed by several people!

FRANCISTOWN:
I wouldn't conclude. Yorùbá is not a religion

OK but at the mention of the word "JEW" what comes to your mind?
Of course the name "Abraham" is the first thing that will ring a bell in your heart and the God who called Himself the "God of Abraham"

So there's no distinct religion attached to the name "Yorùbá" our own people here worship numerous Gods therefore none of their Gods could be said to be the God of Oduduwa.

That's what makes the name "JEW" religiously unique!

FRANCISTOWN:
Are you dumb? Obviously you are. How is Satan using the politics to blind people's eyes
. Ha! You don't know anything

Ọmọ Jesus called the Pharisees children of Satan {John 8:44} because they are ready to kill for their political ambition and gullible ones like you will carry weapons to kill your neighbour at the command of politicians.
So why can't you see that people in other lands supposed to be your neighbours?
Because you've been BLINDED by POLITICS! 2Corinthians 4:4

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} who has come to teach mankind how we can all form one happy global family {Isaiah 2:2-4} Satan is using POLITICS to blur people's senses so they will not see the bright future Jesus was planning for all obedient mankind.

That's the import of 2Corinthians 4:4

FRANCISTOWN:
Your wrong teachings. It's very simple.
I can't let you mislead many.

So what made you say that in the first place?

FRANCISTOWN:
Wrong! Wrong!! Wrong!!! Adam and Eve were the only ones on earth when they ate the fruit, there was nobody to rule over.
There was nothing political at all. Another error detected.

God told Adam and Eve:
“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28
So they did in anticipation of a time when they will be setting standards for all their descendants instead of relying on the standard God will set for all mankind to teach their children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} that is the goal all politicians have in mind that's why you will see them change some rules to favour themselves.

FRANCISTOWN:
Nope. They are the ones who believe in your god and your Jesus.
I no be ọmọ. I'm a man.
Like Osinbajo, Peter Òbí and co no bow to pastors.
What a load of crap

Ọmọ it's only Jehovah's Witnesses who always bow to the anointed brothers of Christ called Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses today.
You can continue deceiving yourself perhaps Osinbajo, Peter Obi and those you call pastors are not using weapons to lead! Matthew 26:52

FRANCISTOWN:
Show me where it is written in your bible that the children of this world are the politicians

Jesus Christ referred to Satan as the PRINCE of this world {John 14:30} talking about POLITICS Satan is the overall ruler that's why he could offer Jesus a post in his government {Luke 4:5-7} so he is in control of all those in politics global! 1John 5:19

FRANCISTOWN:
2cor 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

As the God of this world Satan is the one using politics to blind people like you from seeing the truth but his own children aren't blind at all they know what really want! {John 9:38-40} they were ready to do away with Jesus for their political career! John 11:48

FRANCISTOWN:
1. One engaged in politics, especially an elected or appointed government official.

2. Specifically, one who regards elected political office as a career.

3. A politically active or interested person.

So my friend let's go by the above:

[1]Did Joseph or Daniel engaged themselves as freeborn with rights as citizens in the places where Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar decided to appoint them?

[2]Did they regard the office as their personal career in life?

[3]Were they politically active in the society before their appointment?

Ọmọ the answer to all these questions is capital NO!

FRANCISTOWN:
Let's say U.S is our case study. Did Rosa, Luther, Obama, Clinton, Lincoln, e.t.c fight at all to retain their position?

Which of these people wasn't known as an activist in their society before their appointment?
When chatting with me try to reason from the intellectual point of view not just myopic one where you stick to erroneous definitions.

Politicians are CAREER men and women they get noticed in the society by their ACTIVE part in criticizing those in authority that's why gullible people like you often see them as your saviour.
God's people are warned never to criticize or protest against those in authority {Romans 13:1-5} because by doing so gullible people will think we are interested in politics! John 6:15

My friend this is my field of specialization i will school all your professors in atheism on this topic!

cornelboy:
The mind is defined as "the capability for rational thoughts". Do you have that?

Why not focus on the OP i think he has what it takes to reason in a sanely manner this guy is just interested in talking back at people since the first day i engaged him i discovered he's not rational in the way he thinks, in fact he began trailing me up and down the forum as if i took his bread from that time i decided to ignore him.

bobestman:
@Maxindhouse cultist are a group of ppl who do the biddings of their leaders They only do what they are told since they have hijacked their brains. You and your jw is a good example

You don't know the indepth meaning of CULT but for the benefit of interested followers i will school you.

In every society there are regulations that makes the society works orderly each and every member of the society has a role to play in the love and peace of the society that is what God foretold in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 in this society they will all speak the same language of peace. Zephaniah 3:9

A cult is a group where members are dedicated to a course and they are ready to do away with anyone who disrespect their leaders or treat their members badly. You can go and check all the cults in the world then come back and prove me wrong.

Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what God said in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 they have come from different nations to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the world, they are the most peaceful, law-abiding and peace loving citizen anywhere you go on this planet. So if their activities makes you think of a cult then explain what you think about God's people in Bible times.

FRANCISTOWN:
Was Joseph not a politician?
Was Daniel not a politician?

NO!
These people aren't politicians in anyway!

For your information politicians follow a group and live by the rules until they get to the top so they remain loyal to the cult through which they attained that position.
But in the case of Joseph and Daniel they were chosen while they are SLAVES not pursuing the career.

So learn to know the difference today.

Politicians struggle to get there and they fight with the last drop of their blood to remain there but in the case of God's servants God put them there to save his own people from the ruler of darkness Satan!

FRANCISTOWN:
At the emboldened. Stop using that phrase. It makes me see you as a very stupid person who keeps repeating the same thing like a broken record.
Who taught what to who? You are the one talking from a JW cult group viewpoint. Do atheists hold classes on who is a Jew and not?

If not , then when taught what to me?

Last I checked, "Jew" is not listed among any religions of the world. How did "yorubanism" become religious? That's a tribe just as being a Jew is.
Oh! Man!

You keep on amusing me walahi talahi.

OK if someone says he or she is a Yorùbá man what religion would you conclude he practice?

That name JEW stands for religion so once you here the word JEW you can conclude that he is of Abrahamic religion.
That's the point!

FRANCISTOWN:
Okay, the power = boldness.
Good, question 1 answered.
What about the other two?

Guy i've got many to attend to so if you're serious let me have your question!

FRANCISTOWN:
In fact a moi moi will be better, but you are akamu.

The above bible verses don't show how politicians became only the children of the world. I put it to you again and I dare say that you have no knowledge whatsoever about your bible.

Ọmọ this is not the first time you've promised never to engage me but i wonder what keeps dragging you back to me!

According to the Bible book of Genesis Satan introduced politics to Adam and Eve so they're to start setting standards regarding right and wrong on their own no longer relying on what God has to say. Genesis 3:1-5

That's the beginning of the children of this world the children of the light are those who are always submissive to whatever comes from the mouth of God's servants.

From that time henceforth the enmity began between the children of light and the children of darkness! Genesis 3:15

So if anyone choose to become political he can't bow to God's servants again because he or she will like to set the rules not yielding to what God's servants say.

Ọmọ that's the Genesis of the war between light and darkness!

Goodman247:
Nigerians own is too much, you will see christains still going to shrines to do charms, trust in the lord your God with all your hearts because all power belong to God

It's the society in which wevl live in advanced countries nobody cares even if you're worshiping Satan but in our own society if you're not claiming Christian or Muslim you will have serious issues with people that's why there are lots of pretext here and there.

FRANCISTOWN:
You've not answered my question
1. What power?
2. The proof of the holy ghost
By the way , why did you replace holy ghost with active force?

The power is for boldness to preach and teach about Jesus of Nazareth:

"For although we had first suffered and been insolently treated in Phi·lipʹpi, as you know, we mustered up BOLDNESS BY MEANS OF OUR OUR GOD to tell you the good news of God in the face of much opposition. 1Thessalonians 2:2

FRANCISTOWN:
You are the one who needs to go back to primary one to take C.R.k all over again.
Spiritual Hausa man

You don't know what you're arguing for?

The name JEW simply means those who are ready to live by the laws of the God of Abraham not people in a geographical location as you were erroneously taught.

So JEW is religious not about nationality!

FRANCISTOWN:
Stop giving your meaning to what is glaring. What about Muslims, ethnic religion worshippers, Buddhist e.t.c ?
Which children are they, Children of heaven?

Ọmọ this is Maximus no be moimoi o!

No matter the religion anyone could be in fact an atheist from God's viewpoint is just as innocent as the thief who was promised Paradise because many of them like me do turn back to join God's people in preaching and teaching about God's kingdom but a politician will never ever give up his political career for anything not even the promise of 1M mansions and virgins in heaven.

An example is a Jewish politician who wants to become part of the children of the light:

And one of the RULERS questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother.’” Then he said: “All of these I have kept from youth on.” After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich" Luke 18:18-23

Is this man ready to loose his political career for the light?

NO!

Myer:
Cherry-picking what you want to hear just for you to be justified that you're right, is the perfect recipe for spiritual stagnancy.
Whenever you get around to reading Romans 9, I will be waiting to hear your thoughts on it.

Face the fact and leave story for the gods.

You said there is provision for gentiles to become SPIRITUAL JEWS but the atheist said there is nothing like spiritual Jews.

So first tell him that he knows nothing about God and Christianity before coming to learn from me!

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm begining to enjoy where this conversation is heading.

Here is Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So let's take it one at a time.

1. What power was he talking about?

2. What is the proof of the holy ghost Holy Spirit coming upon you?

It's there in the comment:

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} he died for not supporting the first century Jewish political revolutionary movement because with all the powers he had he was preaching PEACE while people of his nation were expecting a King like David who will lead them to battle against Rome that was oppressing them back then {John 11:48} so it became like a war for anyone who will follow his footsteps to preach the same message since Satan is gathering people throughout the earth for a showdown in politics Jesus' true disciples will face fierce opposition from all sides {John 15:19-21} this is really terrifying that's why his disciples needs the power of God's active force to go out and make disciples right among those who are already under the control of Satan the devil! Matthew 10:16