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ErnestNc:
You are working for the devil and you are proud. Apparently the man of sin lives in you, to think that the doctrine of the bible is of less potency compared to your extra biblical activities and doctrine. You are a blatant shame to Christianity.

Jesus said:

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Ọmọ if to say nah wetin dey inside books know today that books yapa everywhere and those adhering to it always claim the books are inspired by God.

The one and only evidence Jesus spoke about is not his story written in books but ACTIVITIES of his disciples throughout the earth as they are actively practicing what he commanded them! Matthew 28:20

Go and call all your faithless friends.

Max is here!

ErnestNc:
Excuse me , the church is the only group known by Christ

So how has your so called "CHURCH" been PERFORMING regarding the will of God?

Jesus said he will only recognize those doing God's will! Matthew 7:21-23

Funny churchgoer!

You carry book for head but practical application for the benefit of neighbours is not there yet you want to claim you're a disciple of Christ.

Fools!

People study commerce to trade effectively.
People study engineering to produce or repair engines.
People study accounting to balance account.
People study Christ to represent the Prince of Peace through their activities everywhere they go.

So if all you have is what is written in a book then you're not better than a professor who has nothing to show for all his learnings! James 2:18-26

Go and call all your faithless friends.

Max is here!

ErnestNc:
I just needed to see this nonsense to further conclude that you're indeed an antichrist .
The 12 apostles , including John the revelator wrote the last piece of God's word and sealed it. There's no testimony that is greater than theirs because they were the foundation of the Church and their names will be in the pillars of the God's kingdom. When did Jehova witness come about? You mean after 2,000 yrs God would adulterate his words ?
Are you not seeing that you are among the false prophets and teachers Christ prophesied about?
Achorladey come and see nonsense

This is where discernment comes in my guy!

Regarding the evidence that Jesus is the Christ he said:

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

So are you seeing those apostles today in your neighbourhood?

The one and only evidence that Jesus who is called CHRIST is truly the Prince of Peace is the activities of His disciples (Witnesses) throughout the world today!

So if you can't present any group PRACTICING what Jesus taught as evidence that individuals from different geographical locations on this planet have subjected themselves to his orders as commanded in the Bible then Jesus is just a MYTH!

Myer:
An arch angel is one of the powerful angels of God.

This is your own PERSONAL opinion because no Bible version explicitly say Lucifer is an Archangel.
The one and only Archangel in the Bible is Michael.
Thanks!

Myer:
Our discussion might derail this thread.
I'll address that on the other thread.

I'm not here to discuss with you just want to know the Bible version where it's written that Lucifer is an Archangel that's all!

Myer:
The Scriptures is below it and more will be shared. Kindly exercise patience.

Please tell me the version that says Lucifer is an Archangel.
Thanks in advance.

Myer:
Satan had been banished to earth for His Selfish Ambition and Rebellion.
He was the Arch Angel Lucifer, he had wanted to be like God and to be King of the heavens outside, God's will.

Isa.14.12-14 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Isa.14.13 - For you have said in your heart: "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
Isa.14.14 - I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'

He has been reduced from Arch Angel to a mere serpent living on past and lost glory. Hating any one who tries to be like God- who tries to rise where he failed. Fighting against Godliness with every thing he has.

He deceived Adam and Eve whom God already created with Godliness- the Glory of God by causing them to do the one thing God had instructed them not to do.
He knew the tree of knowledge of good and evil would create the virus of evil in man because man and every thing God created was Good.
He deceived Eve that the tree would make her to become like God- when she was already like God.

This is instructive.
Adam and Eve were like God and Knew No Evil.
Evil came into Man through the Serpent. It is The State of Being Self-Conscious, Disobedient and Rebellious towards God.

Gen.3.4 - Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
Gen.3.5 - For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Gen.3.6 - So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Gen.3.7 - Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

Please where in the scriptures did you found the highlighted?

Emusan:
Their was a thread I saw yesterday where MaxinDhouse claimed he only believe along his leaders but not instructed by them.

Commenting is good if you makes sense with your comments but trolling will only make right thinking people view you as unserious.
People receive orders from their fellow human for different reasons but when you see millions of people from different geographical locations on this planet conscientiously acting in line with what few men in America say then that's not taking orders but contributing to the love and peace found among faithful people throughout the world.
I am a Nigerian formerly a Muslim but after seeing the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses i come to agree with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses {Zechariah 8:23} that truly Jesus who is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} is working with them! Matthew 28:20
So learn to know the difference between taking orders and agreeing with your fellowman. I am a soldier we take orders from our superiors because that's exactly what we signed for but reasoning with your fellowman after seeing their good impact on people can't be rightly translated to "taking orders"

Emusan:
But look at this screenshot and see where he claimed their leaders only told them 1914 was Jesus presence and they believed.

After reading the Bible why not keep the book aside and ask yourself:
What evidence do i have that all these stories are true?
The Bible would have been an ordinary book without the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching throughout the earth to erase the use of weapons in the hearts of millions just as Jesus of Nazareth commanded them {Matthew 28:20} to love their neighbours {Mark 12:31} love their enemies {Matthew 5:44} and love their fellow believers! John 13:34-35
That's the one and only evidence proving that a man named Jesus of Nazareth truly taught all that we are reading in that book.
Apart from the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses ọmọ that book is nothing other than Harry Potter.

ErnestNc:
Read carefully :

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Note that this Lord doesn't only use the voice of an angel, but also he has the trump of God.

Now tell me, in whose name did Michael rebuke Satan in the verse below? Because we know there's only one Lord and that is Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee

There's one Lord and one God .
Do you know that calling Michael the christ actually means he is Lord creator of all things and saviour of the world?

How does that sound to your hear if you're not an enemy of God? It's only Satan that would delegate Lordship to an angel, because Satan seeks to be Lord.

Guy, what we have today is far greater than what all the apostles put together wrote in that book about Jesus of Nazareth.
The first century Jewish disciples of Jesus only saw few of the fulfilment of prophecies about the Christ but we have the greatest evidence today.
There has always been prophets performing signs in their midst and that's not strange to people of other nations they also have prophets performing great signs and wonders in their midst as well that's why you're hearing of names like Ṣàngó, Ògèdèngbé, Ṣọ̀ún and so many other great men of old. All of them did great things with supernatural powers in this part of the world so Jews living close to Greece and Babylon also have heard of Great mighty works of legends in those countries who also displayed great signs and wonders among their own people that's why Jesus' miracles couldn't be enough evidence to prove himself before the Jews.
What they were anticipating is the fulfilment of all the prophecies they have heard about the Christ (Messiah) and Jesus only fulfilled few that his own disciples could testify whereas millions of Jews living in other places never saw him to ascertain if he's truly the Christ.
Even John the baptist who happens to be a real Jewish prophet in the first century was confused about Jesus' credentials as the Christ that's why he sent his disciples to ask Jesus if he's truly the expected Christ! Matthew 11:1-3

So if John the baptist who baptized Jesus, saw God's Holy Spirit descending like a dove on his head and heard God's own voice confirming that Jesus is the Christ still got confused about Jesus' credentials then you can't blame others who never saw anything except Jesus' miracles.

What Jehovah's Witnesses have today that's far greater than all the things written in the Bible about Jesus is the fulfilment of the Christ's presence in glory.
Jesus said to his disciples:

All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20

There has never been any prophet or King throughout mankind's history whose authority has such influence on people from different geographical locations and background like this before!
Normal people just like others willingly surrendered to the authority of a first century Jewish carpenter and they have resolved to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
That's the greatest evidence that a man who claimed to be the Prince of Peace once walked this planet {Isaiah 9:6-7} no wonder Jesus said when the Holy Spirit landed on his disciples they will be his disciples (representatives) in all the earth {Act 1:8} Jehovah's Witnesses are doing exactly that today!
For your information in Israel today we have Jews who are Jehovah's Witnesses not because of the miracles recorded over 2,000 years ago but due to the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses globally proving that Jesus truly have the authority to say to all obedient mankind:

"Drop all your weapons and see the glory of God" Matthew 26:52

So if they now say Archangel Michael is the one leading them to fulfil all of these {Daniel 12:1-3} ọmọ your arguments without works is of no use! James 2:18-26

Dtruthspeaker:
No where did he say they sang for him.

So he couldn't be pleased with the songs sang for the glory of the same God he detests His word!

Emusan:
Even the same religion was force on Russell according to his claim.

Exactly!

That's why Russell never knew all the things we know today because Jesus returned in the year 1914 and Russell died in 1916 so he only knew a drop out of the tank of knowledge we have today. Jesus began teaching the Bible students immediately and gradually they were making amendments regarding all the rubbish those political thugs claiming Christians infused in their hearts until the year 1931 when his father was satisfied with the activities of the Bible students and began calling them by another group name:
"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15

Emusan:
So what happened when the JWs was not global?
I know you want to change the narrative but I won't allow you.
What did Jesus say about His Presence according to the scripture?

Jesus said to those adhering to his instructions:

Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20

Points to be taken in these statement.

[1] All authority has been given to Jesus.
[2] Disciples should get to work.
[3] Making disciples everywhere they go.
[4] Baptizing the disciples.
[5] Teaching them what Jesus commanded.
[6] Jesus will be with them for doing all these.

So whatever makes Jesus' commandments to be missing in the activities of those claiming Christians definitely Jesus can't be with such religionists, that's why he said even though such religionists claim they're performing signs and wonders he doesn't know them! Matthew 7:21-23

Dtruthspeaker:
See. Now you have run from the other rubbishes you were raising to the issue of the thread now twisting it by adding "for the pleasure of unbelievers" whereas those songs are exactly like Psalms and a praise and worship to God which any one who hears or reads them like the Psalms is drawn and inspirited to worship God too.

But of course as the satanist that you and your jw satanic cult are, you people are tortured and annoyed when people start worshipping God.

It is one of the worst things a people can do to you devils even supporting crazed filled and sin filled worldly music.

This just proves that jws are one of the many demons screaming when God is being worshipped!

The OP isn't a believer so if anyone could sing for him to like such song yet he's not interested in what the song says then it's not for the gospel. Songs meant for the praise of God can never ever sound nice to the world because Satan is the ruler of the world so they are against holiness!

Emusan:
Your belief isn't clung to WHAT PEOPLE believe about Jesus Christ but WHAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF says.

If not for the global campaign of Jehovah's Witnesses as evidence of a prince of peace {Act 1:8} there's nothing to believe about a first century Jewish man who was killed by his own people like a common criminal!

Emusan:
Which means 1914 isn't scriptural.
Of course you can believe anything even the demons believe too but can you prove where God says so?
Jesus said HE IS THE CHRIST!
TRUE OR FASLE?
So we only need to believe Jesus and not what others believe about Him.
I don't need to believe you but I will need to believe Jesus Himself.

You believe Jesus!

Because British colonials forced their religion on your ancestors nah.

Had it been you were to study the Bible on your own and use this same mindset to think about everything ọmọ you no go claim all these credulity!

Each Individual has his own likes and dislikes so what God told His worshipers is to make sure they inculcate God's laws in the hearts of their children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} failure to do this the child in question will surely perish if he doesn't do what is required but his blood will be asked from the hands of parents who failed to teach them God's laws! Ezekiel 3:17-21

Sand2022:
But it was that OLD COVENANT that your church derived Conventions and Assemblies, Family worship, helpers to the GB (nethinim), retirement for coordinators, etc. So why do you borrow from that old covenant?

Those aren't a COVENANT but PRINCIPLES that God's people has been practicing before God made a covenant with Israel!

Sand2022:
Even if you leave out what is obvious from that book of numbers, Heb 1:1-2 didn't say that God will no longer use signs to indicate His approval. Paul received visions, including Peter, right? Paul went further to show evidence of divine approval at HEB 4:

4 while God joined in bearing witness with signs and wonders and various powerful works and with the holy spirit distributed according to his will."

How did God bore witness of His approval? Clearly through signs and wonders. So if you say that God shifted his attention to your leader, what is the supernatural evidence for that? If God didn't give His signs and you go on to form a religion, that religion is man made. If you wish, you can also establish your own organization and say "hey, God has chosen us" after all you won't be the first.

No! God declared His presence through the Holy Spirit which helps believers to do His will all the time.

Sand2022:
Maybe I will also go and establish my own organization. Lol. You can see how stupid that idea is. If God didn't tell you anything, guy join the church with supernatural evidence, not manmade organization.

The scriptures say that the only evidence of God's presence is the Governing Body that's teaching people how to do God's will.
Jesus told his disciples who were worried about how faithful people in the end time can identify the Holy Ones when falsehood has spread:

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together" Luke 17:37

So the BODY of anointed men representing God is the evidence of the gathering of Holy ones not supernatural gifts which Jesus said he will deny those displaying it! Matthew 7:21-23

jaephoenix:
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is a male only group of leaders. Their names are, from left to right, front to back: Gerrit Lösch, Samuel Herd, David Splane, Mark Sanderson, Stephen Lett, Geoffrey Jackson, Anthony Morris, and Kenneth Cook.
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the ruling council of Jehovah's Witnesses, based in the denomination's Warwick, New York, headquarters. The body formulates doctrines , oversees the production of written material for publications and conventions, and administers the denomination's worldwide operations.

So in other words, they form the doctrines you use everyday. Illiterate, that's called taking orders. Fooool!

Guy this is not the stupidity you people call "ATHEISM"

Normal people with their thinking caps come together to reason and figure out the way they can cohabit peacefully then discovered that the understanding of few men surpasses what all others have so each of them now numbering millions resolved to go by the understanding of this few men doesn't translate to taking orders rather it's called AGREEMENT:

“This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’” Zechariah 8:23

So if you now conclude that such a decision means taking orders that's shows the level of your IQ!

Faithless miscreants everywhere!

If 99% of Jews till today debunked Jesus of Nazareth simply because they can't find his name written in their scriptures as the coming Messiah then it simply means only faithful people who are mindful of prophecies found in the scriptures can grasp the times and seasons of it's fulfilment.

Emusan:
The truth is Jesus Himself said He is the Christ.
The question here is where did 1914 appear in the scripture?

Where did the name JESUS appear in the Old Testament?

Emusan:
But they were JEWS and till today there are still Christians in Jewish community.

Good!

So if you don't believe in 1914 individuals from different parts of the earth believe just as few Jews believe that Jesus whose name wasn't found in their scriptures is Christ. Therefore it's not compulsory that you believe if you can't convince all Jews that their brother Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ!

Emusan:
No! They were Nigerians no Jew ever believe that Jesus is the Christ.

Jesus' disciples were like moRons in the eyes of first century Jews and till today 99% of Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Christ.

Do you know why?

Emusan:
Jesus Himself said He is the Christ.

And the Jews killed him with all his disciples so what other evidence do you have to convince a Jew that Jesus is the Christ apart from what he and his disciples have to say?

ErnestNc:
No JW member has been able to answer these questions concerning the controversial 1914.

When you ask them to provide answers, they become terribly confused , as some would feign deafness just to evade being scrutinised. Others may try to twist scriptures so they can come up with another gibberish ...

It could also be true and might have been a Jesus Apostle Paul or Peter doesn't know about .

It's the likes of Cornelboy n Maxindhouse going from house to house to teach people these heretical doctrines.

Go and prove to a Jew that Jesus is the Christ first before coming to argue about 1914.

The name written in the scriptures is Emmanuel so when anyone say Jesus is the Christ what evidence do you have?

KnownUnknown:
Submission and overseers. Some people are really easy to enslave despite all the evidence pointing to their subjugation. “The faithful and discreet slave” must be the leader of the ordinary slaves.

Jehovah has appointed Jesus as the head of the congregation? These gods act like humans especially the one that is a “king”.


The headship of christ ko, the buttship of christ ni

Your cup of coffee!

People AGREE to live with people by the same standard doesn't translate to subjugation rather it's called coexistence!

22jumpstreet1:
so according to the story..
people saw him after the so called resurrection...
do people see spirit
and do spirit ear physical food?

He didn't appear to people that's why most Jews back then disputed about his resurrection, Jesus only showed himself to his Faithful disciples because he's no longer human to be seen by everyone rather he has become a spirit only to be seen by those he chose to reveal himself to.

Dtruthspeaker:
See you who claims to know better yet you did not know that it is clearly written in the bible that the disciples kept the Sabbath even after Jesus died. Clearly they did it in front of Him and He did not say it was wrong. Even Jesus respected the Sabbath by dodging it and resurrecting immediately after it.
As i said, the kingdom of God is not for you.

Stop running!
Quote the song God's people sang for the pleasure of unbelievers.

Aemmyjah:
Keep listening to achorladey and curse
All of you have like minds

They're on the same page nah his colleagues are just disguising!

Janosky:
Oga feel sorry for your delusion and leave JWs alone.
There is more than enough mess in Christendom to occupy your time, thoughts and attention.

That's what i always tell them.

"Go and settle with your fellow religionists first before coming to Jehovah's Witnesses"

Charity (they say) begins at home.

What you want outsiders to believe ensure that the insiders believe it first!

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see God complaining throughout that they did not keep the Sabbath?
Did you not see that the disciples even after the death and resurrection of Christ obeyed The Law and kept the Sabbath?
Did you not see that even Moses knew that they are like you? Deuteronomy 31:27
Anyway, you are already marked for the lake of fire.

You will rush, quote people who knows better than you to criticize them but after you've been proved wrong you will be looking for ways to escape.

Did Jesus teach his disciples to keep the Sabbath?

Aemmyjah:
Is it not even funny?
They persecute and hate and ban those who obey Jesus words to love one another.
They go to war to fight... After seeing the impact of the war, some blind Christians will go to beg God for forgiveness and others will grieve
Stupid atheists, believing they are accountable to no one and since they are lost say, there is no God - if God exists, he won't allow the war to happen. When they see those that did not partake in the wars, they won't stop persecuting them cos they did not jkin their bloodshed... It is funny that mankind seeks an end to wars and world peace but crave for world dominance and most nations budget is not even even on food or education or health but on security by acquiring sophisticated weaponry- atheistic ideology of survival of the fittest. When the fittest dominate, they blame God
Demented group of people- no wisdom, no sense of purpose, no hope. Just living for the moment like animals

Ọmọ you've said it all!

Now you know why i often say:

"Apart from Jehovah's Witnesses and those seeking the knowledge of God, all others are atheists one way or another"