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Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:04pm On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
Is there any manuscript that that interpreted Lord as Jehovah?
what evidence do you have for this?
Do you have any older manuscripts that has Jehovah instead of Lord in it?
According to Paul, the Christian church called upon Jesus.
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Why did the early Christians call upon Jesus instead of Jehovah?

With all the evidences i think it's time to leave you with whatever you want to believe there's no sense in this back and forth debate.

Go and worship with those you're sure that are having the same line of thought with you as for us we are doing fine with our Faith in Jehovah!

Christianity Etc › Re: If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:40pm On Jun 21, 2023

Offpoint1:
Bro wake up, you're under delusion if you think God isn't aware of humans actions.
God did not tell you the Bible is his word.... It's the Bible that tells you it is God's word ( I hope you understand that last line )

Ọmọ you're the deluded one here, that's why I told you to ask any question that comes to your mind.

There is living proof that the Bible is God's word if you care to know i'm ready start a help you!

Christianity Etc › Re: If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23pm On Jun 21, 2023

Offpoint1:
Lol This is the funniest thing I've ever read. So God has limits to what he knows that's what you're telling me... And God "Needs to Studies" humans
So God only knows the moves of those in his Good book, while he's unaware of the moves made by bad guys What do you take God for?

There is nothing like His good book, He sent out messengers and empowered them {Ezekiel 10:12} to note whatever humans are doing to themselves all they need to do is report back to Him {Genesis 18:20-21} if they found anyone worthy of being His friend {Malachi 3:16} that's how He discovered some individuals and drew them closer to Himself {John 6:44} but if you don't have fine qualities His messengers won't write anything about you so you're as good as dead to him! Psalm 9:17

Most people like you are so presumptuous that they have developed lots of delusional thoughts and attributed it to God yet you won't like to study Him.

God used the Bible to talk about Himself that's why i told you the Bible is God's word!

Christianity Etc › Re: If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:37pm On Jun 21, 2023

Offpoint1:
So you're telling me, God doesn't know humans' next move?

Of course He knows those He chose as friends because He keeps studying them just as you also study your friend and you can vouch for such a person after studying him or her for a long time but as for people who aren't God's friends He doesn't even notice them at all because from His standpoint they are as good as dead! Luke 9:60

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:32pm On Jun 21, 2023

Juicedrinker:
I am not denying that there are more tools that we human beings use to get power, of course there are. I am simply explaining one of them. One that many people do not think of as a tool for power and even think more of the opposite.

It's false religions that could be used as tool by politicians but as for true religion?
No way!
For instance we don't go into politics at all, no support or protest from true disciples of Christ because we are not of this world, we are patiently waiting for our own government as promised!

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:46pm On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
You have not responded to this.
With your theory of God is only a loving person with no other side of stern judgment.
2Cor.5.11 - Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Heb.10.31 - It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You are quoting believers in the God who promised to wipe out all evildoers and spare only believers! Psalm 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 65:15
So if you don't understand this i can't help you further, what God had in mind from the beginning is for man to live forever not dying, death came due to sin {Romans 5:12; 6:23} the believers want to continue living when God exterminate all unbelievers so it's a fearful thing to loose such opportunity not that God is planning to keep people alive while tormenting them somewhere!

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:20pm On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
You dey vex? The judge said what he would dó with the saints and sinners not me. Are you talking decision on his behalf?

The point i came to clear is done and dusted, Muslims aren't the first to start fighting for their god. If your god will torment evildoers in fire that's your own god mine said death is the penalty for sin! Romans 6:23.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:40pm On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
John.5.22 - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
This is another bad extrapolation of JWs. Jesus said he would be the judge at the end. He knows what to judge and what to do with the offenders. Jesus was the only one that talked about hell as a place of torment of all the Old Testament prophets. He never teaching or on parable depicted hell the way you present it. Maybe you will suggest to him what to judge Sha. Matt.13.42 - And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of

No wahala keep your hellfire teaching at least you now know that Muslims copied Catholics when talking about fighting for their god they're not the first religion that started it!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:35pm On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
But you assumed Stephen knew Jesus face to face without any proof. Any way isn't Stephen supposed to commit his spirit to Jehovah?

This is what happened!

As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death! Act 7:59-60

He spoke to Jesus as the person he recognized but to Jehovah he knelt and prayed!

Steep:
But Paul was not seeing the Lord at the moment of prayer
That by the way side,
Why did the whole Christiandom call upon the name of the Lord instead of the name of Jehovah?
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Can you give example of the early church call upon Jehovah's name.

It's mistranslation that's confusing them!

The title LORD was used in most Bible versions as replacement for the divine name "JEHOVAH" that's why many readers don't know the meaning of what they're reading in the Bible.

For instance David used JEHOVAH'S name in all his Psalms but since translators replaced the divine name with the title "LORD" the sense of what he's saying was lost.

Please read this verses in your copy of the Bible and tell me who was David referring to:

Jehovah is my Shepherd. I will lack nothing. Psalm 23:1

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalm 110:1

Joel also said:

"And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls" Joel 2:32

You will notice that in your copy of the Bible @ Psalm 110:1 the translators rendered it this way:

"The LORD said to my Lord" and apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the small Lord Jehovah was talking to {Act 2:34-36} but when the translators wanted to write where Paul quoted Joel they confused their readers:

For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" Romans 10:13

That's why misinformed churchgoers are taking Jesus for Jehovah! undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Hate On White Garment Churches by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:48pm On Jun 21, 2023

FxMasterz:
I already blamed ibiyhome yesterday, remember? But what he meant by demonic Psalms is understood by me. Just that he used wrong language. Truth is that the Devil uses the Bible to camouflage and deceive people to make them think they're doing the right things since Bible is involved. Do you know that some cults recite Bible verses to do money rituals? The victims are comfortable thinking it's from God. Read the Bible well before defending things that are not in the Bible. I can talk boldly about these things because I'm well versed in scriptures and know the truth. No man of God anywhere can deceive me. Again, you're just very ignorant. Go on a research and compare the activities of white garment churches with cult practices, you'll be stunned at the similarities. Where did they get those practices from? I don't burn candles or do any of those things they do but if I lay hands on you simply praying in the name of Jesus, you'll encounter the power of God. You might even fall under the anointing. Look, seek knowledge. Loyalty to some church demonination or man of God would not take you to heaven. Religion is useless. Only Jesus saves.

There is nothing demonic in God's word that's why it's called
"THE HOLY SCRIPTURES"

What demons know is that whenever people choose to do things wrongly they're no longer doing God's will but that of Satan.

For insurance, many Jews in the first century began praying using the names of angels like Gabriel and Michael in their prayers so this affected some Jews who embraced Christianity so apostle Paul in his letter made it clear to them that God never introduced any angel to them as His son in whose name they should approach His throne except the name of one man "Jesus" Hebrews 1:5

Now how many people today praying using the names of angels know that they're actually praying to demons and not to God? undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:36pm On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
The way Jesus presented hell is different from the way you present it.
2Cor.5.11 - Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

We need not go through this all over again but due to others following this thread i will speak!

Jesus was using PARABLES to teach his listeners because he want them to know how intense God's wrath is upon evildoers but as for Hell it simply means a condition of inactivity.

For instance there were two categories of Jews in the first century:

@Those who has been to the rabbinical school and have gotten degrees in Jewish religious beliefs, these category Jesus referred to as the "rich man"

@Common Jews who goes about their daily activities but only comes to the synagogues of the Jews for spiritual food on Sabbath days, this category Jesus referred to as "Lazarus"

So while the rich man was enjoying all the riches in God's word eating to his satisfaction Lazarus always come to beg at the rich man's gate (eager to listen to whatever the rich man will share with him from his leftover)

Their death is the sudden change in condition when the messiah (Christ) arrived and say that there is no more need for geographical location in pure worship {John 4:20-24} thereby rendering the rabbinical Jewish system dead as no one needs to come and learn from them anymore while interested ones must listen to Jesus' disciples who were formerly beggars at the rich man's gate!

So Hell in which the rich man found himself means a state of inactivity spiritually speaking as they can see for themselves that the long awaited Christ rejected their services and chose to work with common Jews. That's why they're tormented each time Jesus' disciples who never attended any of their rabbinical schools are speaking boldly and convincingly using the scriptures! Act 4:13

According to the scriptures grave (Hell) is a place of complete inactivity {Ecclesiastes 9:4-10} so Jesus used grave (Hell) to describe the condition faithless miscreants will find themselves when talking about doing God's will!

Christianity Etc › Re: If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:16pm On Jun 21, 2023

Offpoint1:
Seems you're a different person to the one who quoted me earlier.

My first question is: DOES GOD KNOWS THE BEGINNING BEFORE THE END? If he does, then the universe is running according to his plans.

That's the universe programmed to go just as He set it from the beginning so God knows the beginning of the universe but when it comes to what each individual will turn out to be He (God) must study the person right from inception because humans are free agents who can do whatever they feel like doing, we are not programmed like the planets in the universe!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:13pm On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
Stephen did not know Jesus face to face, he was not among the disciples who was with Jesus during his ministry on earth.
Why did Stephen choose to commit his spirit into Jesus hands, was he not suppose to follow Jesus example who committed his spirit to Jehovah's hands, Stephen literally saw Jesus standing at Jehovah's right hand side yet choose instead to commit his spirit to Jesus who so?

When Stephen called upon Jesus was he calling upon Jehovah or Jesus?

How many disciples of Jesus did you know?

It was only the names of twelve out of his numerous disciples that were mentioned in the gospels because he made them Apostles {Luke 6:13} so Stephen has been one of those not mentioned by name in the gospels but he was with them all along! Act 6:5-6

Steep:
But Stephen prayed to Jesus. Why did Paul prayed to Jesus in 1 Corinthians 1:1–2?

Prayer is when you're speaking to an unseen supernatural being but when you're seeing the person directly it's no longer a prayer!

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:25am On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
What of JWs and e - bullying on Nairaland?

True disciples of Christ don't go about telling others they will be tormented in some fairy hell for differences in beliefs {Matthew 7:1} we only present the Good News of God's kingdom to everyone {Matthew 10:11-13} and tell them that only members of our group will benefit from this blessings that's all! John 14:6

So if you're sure of your salvation no JW will disturb you all you need to do is tell us you're not interested in whatever we've got to preach but insisting you must benefit from what our Lord promised us for practicing what he taught we will boldly, confidently, emphatically tell you "NO"

Christianity Etc › Re: Utah District Bans The Bible From Elementary & Middle Schools, See Why by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:18am On Jun 21, 2023

God's word should be treated at home it is the responsibility of a father to teach his children the rules of his own God {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} not in schools where children from different religious sects converge to learn about societal values!

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:08am On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
Well-done! So Mohammed inherited violent peace from Catholics? Catholics has dropped that weapon, when will Islam?

Catholics haven't stopped they were forced to accept rivalry when their own members turned away and became protestants in various forms.
What Jesus commanded is that all his disciples must be peaceful in their mission {Matthew 10:16} they must not partake in worldly politics {John 17:14} because that's what is leading many so "called nice" people into killing their neighbours without remorse! Revelations 6:3-4

So Islam is not the problem but politics if there is no politics nobody will force his or her beliefs on others claiming it's a decree from God!

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion is a Problem by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:43am On Jun 21, 2023

MightySparrow:
You are right. Of all religions Islam is the worst. It preaches against coexistence with others. In human history , asides Islam there were no religious wars. It all started with Islam and it's toxic message.

This is a lie!

The Catholics started with political crusades as they were forcing their Cross worship on people everywhere they go, that's what Islam was built upon as Muslims believe that it's all about supremacy rather than love for humanity!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Hate On White Garment Churches by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:27am On Jun 21, 2023

Didijiji:
summarize

There is just one global group doing God's will today!

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25am On Jun 21, 2023

Offpoint1:
You've answered my question in your first and second paragraphs. Everything you and me read we have no clue if it was the truth, that's why my initial comment was about the Bible.
The Bible could be men literature and has nothing to do with God. The universe is running just the way God wants it. If he doesn't want it this way, you and me know damn well... It won't be this way.

The Bible is God's word!

Please proceed with whatever question you have in mind!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:57am On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
Why then did Stephen prayed to Jesus, or is Stephen not a worshipper of Jehovah?
According to scriptures the spirit of man returns to who?
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Stephen was looking at Jesus standing at God's right hand, the person he could relate with in that scenario is Jesus whom he knew face to face as one of his disciples.

So he talked to Jesus just as they always do when he was with them but when it comes to prayers Jesus directed all his disciples to pray to God not him! Matthew 6:6

Christianity Etc › Re: If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:53am On Jun 21, 2023*

Offpoint1:
Lol, you're outrightly evading your religion argument because you're too scared to offend God, so you keep lying to yourself when the truth is glaring.

You evaded the questions I asked you of the boss and employees. What was the logical reason of sending those pissed up employees who planned to kill you to your children house instead of prison? Please answer.

Telling me Eve wasn't deceived by lucifer is an outright lies to evade my question.

I'm debating and seeking information at the same time, no point running away from defending your faith or opinion.

What I want you to know is simple "The universe runs the way its creator wants it to run"

You need to know that when talking about the things that happened in times past many will surely be misinformed and they will not know how to explain since it never happened in their presence.

So how can you be sure that someone knows what really happened?

The person who knows must explain how it happened, why it happened and what will be the final outcome which you will perceive with your mind as reality.

So what is your question please?

Of course Eve was deceived but Adam wasn't he deliberately choose to rebel against God!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:03am On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
It doesn't mean Pharaoh is no longer on the throne but Joseph became the absolute power over Egypt of cause this excludes Pharaoh.

That's the point!

So all worshipers are to face Jehovah with their petitions {Matthew 6:6; Philippians 4:6} just as Jesus also approach God with his own petitions {Hebrews 5:7} but when talking about how to do Jehovah's will we must all congregate in the name of Jesus who will join and lead us {Matthew 18:20} in the worship of our God and father JEHOVAH! John 20:17

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:02am On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
yes, when you give someone total power to rule your establishment you have given him absolute power over that establishment.

So when Pharaoh of Egypt gave Joseph the ring as the ruler of ALL Egypt Pharaoh was no longer on his throne, shey? Genesis 41:41-44 cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:57am On Jun 21, 2023

Steep:
So Jehovah can share his glory with his angels right?

"I have given (shared with) them the glory that you have given (shared with) me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22

Jesus Christ shares his Father's glory with the disciples/co rulers in heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Hate On White Garment Churches by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:21am On Jun 21, 2023*

Babylon the Great has fallen! Revelations 14:8; 18:2

After Jesus' ascension to heaven Satan began attacking the newly formed group using Jews as tools, before then Satan has succeeded in establishing many sects in preparation against the coming of Christ so that by the time Christ comes the indoctrination will be so difficult to unlearn. John 10:8

So the Jews in the first century (when Jesus walked the earth) has several rival religious sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham each group teaching as if you're free to choose anyone after all it's inside the same temple they gather to worship. Act 23:7-8

Jesus started with a touch of uniqueness his own teaching stands out as if he has authority {Matthew 7:28-29} unlike others giving people options to choose any that suits them Jesus emphatically told the people that there is no other source of divine guidance apart from him! John 14:6

Ever since then Satan keep trailing Jesus to stop him {Luke 4:13} but Jesus completed his earthly mission successfully {John 19:30} that's why Satan turned his aggression to Jesus' first century disciples {Revelation 12:17} as first fruit of God's kingdom they were filled with God's Holy Spirit so Satan failed to break their unism! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Immediately after the death of the last apostle Satan's agents connived with Roman politicians and established their own religion claiming they're for Christ {Matthew 13:25} what did Jesus who is watching from heaven {Matthew 28:20} do to stop this demonic cultivation? He ordered his angels not to intervene but to allow all the different sects grow until the time of harvest! Matthew 13:24 compare to Revelation 22:11-12

Jesus returned in the year 1914 but all the groups claiming Christians have gone off course choosing contradicting philosophies {Luke 18:8} Jesus visited each group but none of the well established churches was ready to unlearn the indoctrination of Satan until he found a group known as International Bible Students Association, this group was willing to learn from the unseen mighty spirit king so he began correcting them on all the things they got from Satan's system.

The restructuring took Jesus 5 years and when they were ready he commanded them to start all over again what he established in the first century which is preaching zealously and teaching industriously from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} at first most established religions were making jest of this group because they kept making changes in their teachings just as Jesus was using the Holy Spirit to guide them.

After 12 years of preaching and teaching they have reached all the continents and formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as God will {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that is why God who is preparing to end all badness began calling this group by another name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So all the religions like the first century Jewish sects that can't come out boldly to say they're the one and only worshipers of the true God will continue to argue among themselves and hating themselves yet they will say they're for Jesus Christ despite all the contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines among them {Luke 11:23} but Jesus' true disciples will be noticed globally as the one and only group having love among themselves! John 13:34-35

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is More Serious 'a Sin' Or 'a Crime' by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:09am On Jun 21, 2023

Aemmyjah:
How do you reason sef?
Calling someone dumb and idiot?
We're talking about an event that happened 4000 years ago
Did you know when division into continents began?
In 1919, Earth population was 1.9 billion
How many people do you think existed then? Moreover, they all spoke the same language which was a unifying factor as they had not been divided into nations and continents then
So don't be shallow when asking childish question

He's just a kid overwhelmed with sadness so he can't think straight all he wants is for all the people around him to taste the bitterness in his life so he really needs help! embarassed

Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is More Serious 'a Sin' Or 'a Crime' by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:05am On Jun 21, 2023

Aemmyjah:
The ignorant fool has not seen that the medic society says that blood transfusion is very risky and the patient is susceptible to diseases later especially blood diseases that affect them and even future offspring

He is just a sadist that's how they behave in the society, they're joyless so they want everyone else to become like them.
So it's not his fault but all the things happening around him taking away what brings him joy! undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:01am On Jun 21, 2023

Janosky:
Oga, stop TWISTING the holy scriptures.

All he wants is for his Jesus to be ABC XYZ all other things are immaterial to him, that's why they only gather gullible churchgoers who have nothing to preach or teach as disciples!

Christianity Etc › Re: "When Elijah Prayed And Called Down Fire... It Wasn't God Who Answered That Pray by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:16pm On Jun 20, 2023

The God of Israel has already cursed anyone in Israel who dishonour an older person {Exodus 20:12} most especially one who is a servant of God {Leviticus 19:32} that prayer is according to God's will so evildoers may be exterminated in the land God blessed with His name! Numbers 25:6-9

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:05pm On Jun 20, 2023

Steep:
I told you the word translated as serve in reference to Jesus in Daniel 7vv14 is not obeisance. Why don't you check it up yourself? It is service offered only to Jehovah.

Neither did I say Jehovah is three gods in one.
However, that does not mean we should close our eyes to the truth.

A king must be served that's why they're called "LORD" so if Jesus is King of God's kingdom he will surely be served just like other kings.
The truth remains that Jesus is not the Almighty God who asked Jesus to sit at his right hand! Psalm 110:1

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:29pm On Jun 20, 2023

Steep:
Daniel 7vv14, the Hebrew word interpreted as serve is specifically reserved only for Jehovah.

OBEISANCE is for the one who is supreme so since Jesus always do the will of his father he is qualified to lead because whatever orders comes from his mouth is automatically what his father told him.

You have seen several verses pointing to the fact that Jesus is not the same as Jehovah so if you're still interested in your trinity no one is holding you back we have been freed from the lies of trinity Jehovah is One God not three in One! Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29

Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is More Serious 'a Sin' Or 'a Crime' by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:35pm On Jun 20, 2023

Honchoslim16:
Just lol 😂.... Are you the same guy on Naza's telegram group 🤣🤣😂😂

all through yesterday till now, you haven't even dropped any point!

Or jehovah has not ministered to you yet 🤣🤣😂

When you're ready to learn let me know this is not how sane people approach others for knowledge.
Just know that you can't force your opinion on others even if you join Boko Haram everyone has their own opinion so learn to live with it.

Farewell!

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