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FreedomfromtheT:
Who doesn't know that all (except those who will be alive at the Rapture of the saints) are liable to death?
My focus is on the salvation Christ paid for which I have benefited from and which guarantees me eternal life while your focus is that all will die including the saved.
Death doesn't frighten the saved Christian because it only translates him into eternal glory.
It is the unsaved sinner that should be worrying about the danger of dying in sin and as such should repent, accept the sacrifice of Christ and be saved now.
That I will die doesn't make me a sinner because I am saved by His grace.
By the way, is that why some people hate Deeper Life members because this is the topic of this thread.

It's you who kept digressing i've told you what makes unbelievers hate believers according to God's word. Believers are saved because their names has been WRITTEN in the book of life but it's the penalty for sin they paid at death!

David committed adultery with Uriah's wife so if God pardoned David the penalty (that the child will die) never changed.

So our names has been written in the book of life as believers but death is the wages of sin that all descendants of Adam must pay until God's kingdom come!

Sometimes i laugh at the ignorance of some Nationalists when they're thinking like kids!

Just imagine simply because Abraham rejected paganism when he became an adult so you who happens to be his bloodline have the right to tell others what to do!

Kingpharamond:
Your ancestors were pagan. Abraham's ancestors were monithiests. It was Terah's generation that strayed. Even King Solomon strayed. It's not unusual for children to rebel against the tradition of their parents.

You keep shooting yourself in the foot!

I asked you a simple question:

If Terah (Abraham's father) choose to be pagan that means he can't born Abraham outside his paganism so that makes Abraham a pagan by birth?

So i'm not disputing that my parents weren't pagans just as Abraham decided to leave paganism that's exactly the same thing i did!

Kingpharamond:
Terah is the one who strayed from the God of Shem and Noah it was Abraham who choose God over his father's folly. Does it not say that one should love Gid over their mother and father? The bloodline is monotheism so any child can wake up and say, hey this is wrong and against God. The bloodline contains the memory of our ancestors deeds and abilities. Even some of Judah strayed while others remained faithful. Look at the history of the Maccabees the royal house of Judah, my ancestors, who not only fought the Greeks yet had to fight the Hellenized Jews too. Some children choose not to honor their heritage and they become household enemies. That is what happened to Abraham so he had to flee because all the Sumerian people had followed Nimrod.

Did Abraham stopped worshiping idols with his parents immediately he was born or he grew up and decided?

Guy you keep amusing me because i did exactly what Abraham did so by faith i'm one of Abraham's descendants: people who chose the worship that's pure not just following the crowd.

So it's either you take your own advice by going back to the idols worshiped by the parents of Abraham or learn from me how to have faith in the God of Abraham!

Busybrain2233:
Yes ofcourse

So tell me what thought you share with them that's so powerful to the point of welcoming you (a total stranger) in their homes!

Meanwhile your thread awaits you called your fellow atheists and agnostics at least let's see how practical it is for you guys to share the same line of thought!

Busybrain2233:
Hmm, so what?🤷

I just came to remind you of facts i told you but the thread is for atheists and agnostics so i will take my leave.

Goodbye!

Kingpharamond:
You are reading this wrong. Terah the father of Abraham worshipped other gods not Abraham. The entire faith of the Hebrew nation begun with Abraham's loyalty to the one God. Abraham had to flee Chaldea because of the evil of his people in their joining the Cushite Nimrod in pagan worship.
I say you are disrespectful because you ignore my evidence that I gave you on the worship of the three Marys in France. Judah was not the kingdom of Israel that strayed. We instead relocated to Gual and have survived unto this day.

You're WRONG!

A child can't just wake up one day and decides to start worshiping what his parents never knew, it's parents that children imitate when it comes to worship of any kind.

The truth of this matter is that God noticed Abraham's attitude and yearnings for truth in that he wasn't satisfied with the religion of his parent but that's what he practiced with them until God called him.

However that's a digression if Abraham stopped worshiping idols which his own forefathers worshiped and i also did exactly the same how do you now except me to return to the idols my ancestors worship if you won't return to the idols your ancestors (parents of Abraham) worshiped?

FreedomfromtheT:
Stop mixing things up.
Dying in the Lord is different from dying as a sinner. The former is a glorious death while the latter is a miserable one (Revelations 14:13; John 8:24). Jesus Christ has paid the price for the sins of humanity by His death on the Cross of Calvary. I have repented and received Him as my Lord and Saviour. Therefore I am not going to pay the penalty of eternal damnation any longer. It is the unrepentant sinners who die in their sin that will pay the price for their sins (John 3:16-19).
Thank you.

You're the one mixing things up!

Death is not part of the blessings God has for man in the beginning {Genesis 1:26-28} it came as a penalty for sin {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} so death comes due to sin {Romans 5:12} as long as death is concerned sin is the cause!

Until God's kingdom come sin and death will rules over mankind and Christians aren't left out! Romans 5:21

I know how you feel as you keep typing
"Thank you" but anyway you're welcome!

Kingpharamond:
My response to you was deleted by the bot because dark eyes does not want the truth to be seen. I have given you enough information and you are being disrespectful and wasting my time. There is no black Jesus. Your traditionalists want you to return to your pagan religion. And why not? Freedom of religion.

In what way did i disrespect you?

Well if you must know Abraham was a pagan before the true God called him so you too can go back to the pagans with whom Abraham and his parents worshiped idols before the true God called him! Joshua 24:2

ebubeson:
Is it good for believers in Christ to consider DNA testing in marriage ? If they are born again, is it not wrong on the part of the husband to consider doing DNA his children to ascertain their paternity?

After the DNA testing what happens?
Will he still continue loving the children?
Will he disown them after knowing him as dad?
Will he divorce the woman?
What exactly will he gain in the DNA?

Well i don't blaim most people because they don't know what the term "BORN AGAIN" really means.

According to God's word Born Again Christians are people like you and i who are dead to all the things having to do with worldly affairs and it's disappointments {Matthew 6:19-21} they only think of what Christ promised them in heaven so they're ready to forgive and forget whatever anyone does to them {Act 7:60; Matthew 18:22} because they're going to heaven where they can't take away anything either wife, children or whatever they have owned to their names except their faith in Christ Jesus! 1Timothy 6:7

I need not tell you what they will do after reading what Jesus commanded them in the Bible regarding whatever anyone does to them! Matthew 5:39

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

preciousee17:
• Muslims who think their Allah and our
Jehovah are the same God

I just want to clear something that's hidden to billions of people today!

When the group name "CHRISTIANS" is mentioned many often say they're not Christians but they believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

Let it be known that this didn't just start with Muhammad some 570 years after Jesus rather it started right in the first century when Jesus' disciples were still alive:

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort! 1John 2:18-19


YES anyone claiming they believe in Jesus are part of religions under Christendom including Islam!

The secret back then is what you just read in verse 19 of the quoted scripture:

They wanted to be called believers in Jesus but they're nursing the feeling that practicers of what Jesus commanded are zombies so they went forming their own religion according to what they want and gather teachers to teach them what they want to hear as long as it's OK or generally accepted in their community! 2Timothy 4:3-4

Whoknow:
It is true that Christianity is the true Religion but you must be guided on a channel through which you can obtain this truth. When I say channel I mean church because not all churches are true channel to this true Religion.

YES!

Christianity is the one and only channel to obtain the truth about God but then Satan has initiated lots and lots of duplicates with errors due to tailoring by human philosophies.
So if you want to know true Christianity in the midst of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then you must be ready to make a thorough research.
What you need is a copy of the Bible and a member of the true Christian group.
Note that you're interested in just one thing:

The only religion God approves!

So just like Christ who emphatically said:

"I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

A real Christian will direct you to the one and only group practicing Christianity exactly the way Jesus Christ commissioned he or she won't give you options no matter the question that comes up into your heart a real Christian will use the Bible to answer you SATISFACTORILY! Act 17:3

Alvelt14:
I am 100% sure you are not seeing anybody

According to the Bible God is like a ruler who only allows few people to see him so just like human rulers too you can't see God but surely you can see the effectiveness of His presence.
The one and only reason why people want to see a ruler is not for the benefit of the citizens in general rather selfish reasons.
So don't let atheistic thoughts becloud your reasoning once you've seen representatives of a ruler all you need to know is what the ruler is doing that will bring benefits for all the citizens including you and how to avoid loosing out in such benefits anything else is selfishness!

If you consider the way blacks were enslaved and maltreated by the colonial masters who brought copies of Bibles with them you will surely have reasons to hate that book but i'm using this opportunity to tell you that those people who first came to Africa with copies of the Bible aren't Christians, they are politicians in disguise!
As for traditional worship all nations have their traditional forms of worship but none of them knows the origin of the religions their ancestors passed on to them except one ancient nation known as Israelites.
The one and only true God introduced Himself to that nation through their grade grandfather called Abraham after instructing this man to leave his pagan families and move away to the place He (God) wanted Abraham to be established.
Abraham and his ancestors were worshipping
idols that they don't know before the true God called him {Joshua 24:2} so just like Abraham and his own ancestors people throughout the earth were worshipping gods they don't really know where they come from or why they must worship those gods!

Christianity is like a movement of like minded individuals {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} they have a leader who is a spirit King {Isaiah 9:6-7} he laid down certain rules to continue guiding his followers {Matthew 28:20} with this rules they stand out as one global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} and the whole world can testify to it now that since 1914 that Jesus has made the call for all his people to come out of Babylon (World Empire Of False Religion) the group {Revelations 18:4} has continue to grow bigger and bigger reaching the most distant part of our planet with what Jesus commanded them {Act 1:8} people now see them {Matthew 5:14-16} that love (agape) is the identifying mark of true disciples of Christ as the spirit of God is working in the midst of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! John 13:34-35

Alvelt14:
I was admired with the way you write and your content. But nobody is traveling to anywhere
There is no Spiritual world, there is no paradise. It’s all an illusion created to collect money from the naive.

You misunderstood the illustration!

God used the Bible to introduced Himself that's why many are confused when they read it they think it's just about miracles and wonders but it's filled with information that you and i needed.
These are the questions answered in the Bible:
What is the origin of life?
Who is God?
Why is He not speaking to us now?
What are we doing here?
Why injustice and crime?
Why do we die?
What is happening to our dead loved ones?
What will happen to our planet home?
Hope of seeing our dead loved ones again?
What does the future holds for mankind?

The Bible has satisfied the curiosity of honest hearted and sincere students making research to find answers to all these questions! Proverbs 2:1-5

The Bible's definition of Paradise is Earth filled with happy families of peace loving worshipers where there will be no more death, sickness, sorrow or pain!

It's not a spiritual place rather it's what God promised to turn this earth into when all evildoers are exterminated for good.

So don't think of Paradise as a place where dead people go NO it's what will happen on this planet but only obedient mankind will be here by then all evildoers will have expired! Psalm 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

Before now if anyone tells me this i can't believe it but after seeing how God's plan to restore Paradise on Earth is progressively working out i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses preaching zealously and industriously teaching in my neighborhood that Paradise is possible right here on this planet.

Will you like to know the promises found in the Bible that is fulfilling right now?

You will be surprised that just as Jesus Christ said in the Bible:

“My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working." John 5:17

YES, it's true that these two spirit persons are REALY working to make this planet a Paradise but you won't know if you're not informed about how the work is progressing.

What God promised in that book (Bible) is here happening life just as foretold some thousands of years ago!

Kingpharamond:
Not today my son, we haven't lost any inheritance and the fight still rages. Those Khazars who are not Jews at all yet you validated them. This shows me how informed you and that your thoughts on the issue is based upon Nigerianism. White missionaries came a preaching to you Nigerians about the Gospel of Christ when your people never even heard of such. Your people's were pagans and worshipped not God but many Gods. Many Nigerians were taken into slavery and ended up in the Americas. Most of then were not Hebrews but mixed races of Hamites, Edomites, Israelites and whatever else the kings that lumped in a price for guns, cigars and whiskey. All over Nigeria now pastors preach the word of Christ right along side traditional pagan practices of their forefathers.

My ancestors came from France to America in the 1300s we are the founding families of Knights Templar. We are the true Jews that have occupied the Middle East and Western Europe for thousands of years. We know nothing of West Africa and have never been there. Today I had an Igbo man tell me that I look Ghanaian. I look nothing like a Ghanian. I have wooly hair, light brown skin yet my nose is an European nose shaped by the climate that my ancestors experienced for nearly two thousand years in Germany. I am a Frank and my family bears the name De France because we are the royal house of Merovingian kings. We are the bloodline of Yeshua Ben Yossef and Queen Mary Magdalena. The wife of King Yeshua lived in Southern France and died there in 66 A D. There is where the three Marys, Mary mother of Jesus, Mary wife of James and Mary Magdalena who witnessed the Cruxifixion in Southern France. Thousands go to France to visit her tomb every year and not one pastor in Nigeria ever mentions this fact.

https://www.travelfranceonline.com/saintes-maries-de-la-mer-legendary-site-camargue/

Hebrews ruled Europe for thousand of years. The Romans and Byzantines are brown skin Hebrew Edomites. The Italians are brown they are not the white people who you think are Italians like in the Hollywood movie The God Father. There is a perspective war you know nothing of. The Israeli banned any discussions of Jesus because they know that they are heritage thieves. Even Africans give these phony Jews credit for being the true Jews because of the perspectives war. Alot of people who envy Judah are in on this great secret. I have even been deleted by autobots on here attempting to post the damaging evidence which would clear the confusion. I now know why it's because of Nigerianism only matters to Nigerians so they keep their people unaware of any view that disputes the widely held narrative. I hold no grudge it's your country and Nairaland is your website. I am grateful for what I can receive from you.

You're still talking about Nationalism!

I was born, bread and rased in Nigeria but i'm not a Nigerian at heart i belong to the global family of peace loving worshipers called "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Mind you, those so called missionaries weren't Christians but politicians the first time Christians stepped their foot in Africa to preach the message of Christ was in the early 20th century not those British colonials.

So you don't know what Christianity really mean and as for the God of Abraham natural Israelites are no longer His people that's why you can't think of the other ten tribes of Israel because they are lost and forgotten for rejecting the Messiah!

Majeste:
We have been sinful yet God still favors us.

Guy your nation has lost that privilege completely!

God only chose that nation as a means to tell the world about Himself that's why He called Abraham and the reason why God continue to pardon that nation is because the messiah has not arrived, according to God's promise to Abraham (God's friend) the Messiah must first declare the Good News to Israelites and they will be privileged to carry Messiah's message throughout the globe.
But the Israelites kept killing God's prophets and treating them badly even though God never choose any prophet outside that nation yet the Israelites disregarded all that trying to set standard for God.
That's why Jesus cursed Jerusalem in the first century:

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38

So the natural Jews have lost it:

"This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits" Matthew 21:43

Go now and ask your ancestors what happened to the remaining 10 tribes of Israel, they will tell you that Israel is 13 tribes not just three that is called "Jews" in fact after the Jews executed Jesus of Nazareth God dealt ruthlessly with them so that Jerusalem was overthrown:

Jesus turned to the women and said: “Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for me. Weep instead for yourselves and for your children; for look! days are coming when people will say, ‘Happy are the barren women, the wombs that did not give birth and the breasts that did not nurse" Luke 23:28-29

The only and only reason God is preserving that city till today is because of David His servant, just of recent a law was passed to stop the Christians from preaching about Jesus.
My friend Satan mastermind that move and it's against the true disciples of Christ:

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

This group has fulfilled what God promised through the mouth of two prophets! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The one and only unique thing about this group is their unity as they speak the same language of peace {Zephaniah 3:9} so they don't support nationalism. Because the move to stop Christianity is about nationalism God sent a bird to go and destroy their national flag which is IDOLATRY in disguise.

So don't let anyone deceive you my friend Israel has lost it!

I told you in my post but it seems you need to experience it before you believe me.

Busybrain2233:
Are Atheists/Agnostics not having these privileges and line of thoughts you mentioned amongst them selves?

Only RELIGIONISTS reason together without thinking of atheists but atheists and agnostics have nothing to bring them together they only talk about why they left religion apart from that atheists can't see any reason why they should converge either in person or online to reason together!

Alvelt14:
I don’t really have a problem with God infact I believe God exist because I believe they have to be a supreme being somewhere (eventhough I can’t back it up) My problem is with religion. All of them. Religion is fugayzi, a cult with cult followings, a business industry and a scam.

Let me give you an illustration:

A slave heard about the land of freedom so he wants to go there desperately to gain liberty but he has a problem, he doesn't know the way and he has heard about highway robbers, plane and trian hijackers, and also sea pirates.

Please what do you think?
Should he forget about going for liberty?

That's exactly how you sound!

There is no way to God apart from religion (traveling) so spiritual travel is inevitable like Abraham living his people to the promised land. So what you need is the map to the place you're going and experienced travelers who are used to reading maps, with them you can travel to avoid all the dangers on the way since the map itself will show you places to avoid for you to reach your preferred destination.

So you need to figure out the true religion (group of travelers) who are also going to the same place out of millions around you.

That's why the true God organized His worshipers to come and call you if truly you want to go to the land of freedom: Paradise!

Majeste:
Judeans are God's chosen people. Our ancestors made a covenant with God and He gave is a special ranking. That's our inheritance. I am a descendant of Jesus and my forefathers were kings. My father was king then my grandfather then before him my great grandfather all the way back unto King David. God made a promise to King David that the royal bloodline would always stay in his family line. No one call themselves Jesus or Messiah and lead the Hebrews but my family. My family is the head family of all the Hebrews on Earth. Jerusalem belongs to us that's why during Crusade my family took possession of it until we loss Jerusalem. We are the Knights of the temple of Solomon. We are brown skin just like Jesus. Hughes De Payens founder of Knights Templar looks just like me and other males of my father's family because we are direct descendants. I am not giving up my heritage just for the promise of universal love. No way not today.

Now i understand you better!

So because the descendants of Jacob were promised that a messiah will be born in their midst has qualified all Jacob's descendants to be God's people automatically?

Well let me blow your bubble the God of Moses laid a curse on any Israelite be it Jew or Samaritan that failed to live by His word so if your people has failed to keep God's covenant they're no longer worthy of being called His people!

Majeste:
It has everything to do with bloodline which Men call race or ethnic group or nation or tribe. What is your father's tribe? Does your forefathers own land? Can anyone come there and mine or build without your kinsmen's permission?

We are talking about Gods (spirits) that could be worshiped anywhere on the planet as long as adherents keeps their rules so what has the land people cultivate or mine got to do with that?

Alvelt14:
Of course I will thread carefully

People can go extreme for anything but I know the truth in my mind.

You won’t see me preaching Jesus is not God or something like that outside or somewhere I could be harmed.

So what will you like to know about our God and His purposes?

Majeste:
Yes it is knowledge of God.

So it has nothing to do with what races choose as their heritage, God is universal and He can choose anyone from any nation as His servant to communicate with mankind therefore it makes no sense demanding that God must choose someone from my own race what matters is the fulfilment of God's plan!

Alvelt14:
Honestly speaking I do believe there must be a supreme being, life have to start from somewhere. If you look at all these religion from Islam to Christianity to Judaism to Buddhism even to our own traditional religion IFA and so on Even the Greek methodology and the Vikings era They all pointed to one supreme being or another But for all I know it could be an illusion. There was even some point in my life, I was so deep (not really deep but for me it was deep) in Islam to the extent I believed in JinnsI believed people can turn to bird I believed if u dress naked and swear for someone and it will catch the person
I believed in ritual
my bad I know 😂
Nollywood did me strong thing
It’s all fugayzi and it’s so fake.
Nevertheless just like religion, there are various forms of occultic event and occurrence out there and you have to be careful. People are manipulated heavily and can kill or maim there fellow humans
Thread carefully
I used to hate on the atheist so much but they could be right but i won’t tow that path
What I will advice is that be careful what you feed your mind for it will make or mar you.
What are your takes?

There is just one true God, His name is JEHOVAH and His worshipers today are called "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"
If you have any question feel free to ask me.

Remember to "Thread carefully"

Caveatemptor:
They are talking of your god, who nobody knows how to pronounce his name and yet he has refused to appear to enlighten his subjects on what he is called, you are here talking of names of a city. See how off tangent you are in this discussion.

My God is called JEHOVAH and He has fulfilled the promises He made to faithful mankind so whatever those faithless Jews are saying now is of no relevance!

Caveatemptor:
WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!!

Ọmọ those Jews have short themselves in the foot!

Tell them to stop calling their city "Jerusalem" after all there is no J in their writing;

Maynmann:
There's no need digressing further the word "ALLAH" ("my God"could be spoken in different tongues so each person knows the God he is talking about in their hearts! Micah 4:5

Right!
So instead of saying "Elohim" i will say "Ọlọ́run mi" in my own language but it's the name of that deity that differ.
I prefer the God of Abraham so i will call His name "JEHOVAH" and refer to Him as "Ọlọ́run mi"

Majeste:
The message is stop the thievery of another's heritage.

This has nothing to do with heritage but the knowledge of God!

Maynmann:
Shout, hallelu ….

Is yahweh not a tetegramation, the same way yah, yahu, jehovah are?

There's no need digressing further the word "ELOHIM" ["my God"] could be spoken in different tongues so each person knows the God he is talking about in their hearts! Micah 4:5

Caveatemptor:
.

Ọmọ go to Israel today.

1,000 Jewish rabbis has unanimously agreed that JEHOVAH is the correct pronunciation of the name of their God!

So if an atheist like you is arguing know today that it's by the use of that name that what God promised has come true:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4

In the name of JEHOVAH millions throughout the earth are joyfully fulfilling what you just read but as an atheist you won't agree since you can't see the God who is working out this wonder! Zechariah 4:6

Maynmann:
“Eloi” is not an hebrew word.
Yah is a tetegramarion not a short form of yahweh.

Can you tell me the meaning of the word "Halleluyah"
Well it means let us praise Yahweh!