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FxMasterz:
I am a servant of Christ. A member of His body serving the Lord in hope of His coming and the glorious resurrection of the saints.

Good!
Go fellowshipping with thy brethren i'm with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION!

FxMasterz:
Lol. I never asked you any question. Even the question I asked about the doctor and his patient was a question poised as an answer to your heretic assertion. Anyway, I think I had a really good time trying to explain the scriptures here. Thanks for asking me the questions. Thanks also for your time.

Your first comment on this thread:

FxMasterz:
He was obviously using his defective logic to interpret scriptures. Meanwhile Jesus said 'Let little children come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of God." Who is he to call them God's enemies when God said they're His friends? My dear MaxinDHouse, this is one of the things I was telling you about.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, the one and only group practicing pure worship.

And you?

hashtagged:
Please religious folks if someone commits suicide will he/she go to hell. If the person is such and in so much pain and can't see a way out?.

The obsolete English "Hell" simply means "Grave"
So YES you are going to your grave at death!

FxMasterz:
I only came here to give my opinion about the topic of this thread.

So there's no need asking me questions since you're dropped your opinion about the topic of the thread.
Thanks for your time!

Honest hearted and sincere commentators!

43Ronin:
I am not trying to hold brief for Jwits, but I think its extremely hypocritical to criticise their view on this as a Christian. before i became a gnostic this is the teaching of all Christian denominations. the reason why catholics do infant baptism and other denominations do is to rid you off Original Sin(sin of adam) the catholics believ if a baby dies before baptism, he/she cannot enter heaven- they go to purgatory. Now other Christians do not believe in purgatory so I ask if the baby of a Christian dies before baptism what happens to the child. I am expecting answers from everyone that is a practising Christian including Maxindhouse, kobojunkie, etc.
thanks

blowjohn:
The question I always ask is this:
How come a following founded not too long ago is the only way to eternity.

So God waited that long for JW to be formed?
What about people living in pre JW era?

blowjohn:
Ok tnx.
I'll go thru the verses and get back to u later in the day. Before I go, don't u find it odd that Satan wud hide something so important for thousands of years? Even the prophets, and angels cudnt undo it till that 1914? But like I said, I'll go thru the verses bad get back to u. Tnx

Satan's agents just thought they can intimidate soldiers of Christ with their contradicting ideas. Imagine atheists, traditionalists, agnostics and misinformed Churchgoers all coming to pat themselves thinking that is what will convince a Christian to agree with their stupidity!

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses! Ephesians 6:10-17

FxMasterz:
'You still lack one thing.'

So the man agreed that Jesus is a GOOD teacher but wanted to stick to what he knew as righteousness before meeting Jesus shey?

Well that's exactly what you supposed to do!

If you feel you're OK with what you know there's no need worrying yourself over what JWs are teaching themselves just go and worship with your fellow believers.

That's what happened there, the man wasn't ready to unlearn yet he came asking Jesus questions just as you're doing right now, whereas Jesus was teaching those who are ready to OBEY whatever protrudes out of his mouth.

So if you disagree with our teaching go and worship with those who agree with you!

blowjohn:
Ok tnx.
Don't u find it odd that Satan God wud hide something so important for thousands of years? Even the prophets, and angels cudnt undo it till that 1914?

Satan only disguises he can't hide anything from wise people because they will continue asking questions until they find the truth! John 8:32 compare to Matthew 7:7-8

So it's God Himself that hides sacred secrets from Satan and all his agents {Matthew 13:13} but He will reveal such secrets to humble and obedient people who have made themselves teachable like children {Matthew 11:25} in fact even angels in heaven can't understand how God is transmitting this secrets to imperfect humans on earth while they (angels) just have to watch out for the way humans are getting these things and the interpretations! 1Peter 1:12

You're welcome Sir!

FxMasterz:
It was the man who rejected Jesus.

This man walked away in sadness because Jesus asked him to join his disciples and since he refused Jesus said it will be impossible for this man to enter God's Kingdom because the man chose to remain in his old beliefs instead of becoming one of Jesus' followers.

Do you think Jesus accepted the man the way he is or insisted the man must join his disciples?

FxMasterz:
He (Jesus) never rejected anyone.

Jesus rejected the man who has been obedient to God's laws all his life simply because the man refused to accept what Jesus told him!

Luke 18:18-23

Please explain what happened there!

FxMasterz:
Nice people who reject God's salvation have added rebellion to their sins.

How could a nice person reject God's salvation?
Remember many believe in God and they're doing all within their power to perform sacred service to him the way they know is best.
So if someone is nice and born in traditional religion he didn't say "there's no God" he just doesn't understand what Jesus is all about even though people around him are shouting the name Jesus up and down with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

tctrills:
Everyone can guess but some of us choose to depend on God's words

Good! You can't force your opinion on others after all you know those that depends on God's word like you. So go and worship with them!

tctrills:
We know he used so much illustrations but clearly you don't understand an illustration if You claim God asks you to emulate his enemies

Ọmọ you're the one worrying yourself over what is simple. When Stephen Leth said "babies are God's enemies" he never meant that adults are innocent.
So it's the attributes found in little children we need to emulate as for all of us we are all sinners as in God's enemies {Romans 3:23} that's why we're doing all we can to become His friends through learning from His only begotten Son! Matthew 17:5 compare to John 1:11-12

The problem you people have is that you're thinking babies haven't committed any crime like adults so they can't be enemies of God but then God destroyed babies along with their evil parents in time past, He never spared them so what David said about fetus in it's mother's as God's enemies became clear! Psalms 51:5

tctrills:
Is it written that others could not teach their kids or is this guesswork.

The matter don dey pain am!

Abeg do you have further questions?

tctrills:
Lol, you are celebrating. You emulate God's enemies. You are making a fool of yourself. You believe God wants you to emulate his enemies. Again you dishonesty. If the word children did not literally mean children as you say, then clearly God was not asking you to emulate children. You contradict yourself

Please don't cry!

Jesus used so many illustrations when talking about adults who have humbled themselves to learn. Sheep, Children, Traveler, Maidens and many more.
He emphasized on the attribute we need to emulate in each of these so we are not literal children, sheep, travelers or maidens!

FxMasterz:
The moment any individual claim an exclusive knowledge of God while denegrating all others

FxMasterz:
Jesus Christ never claimed exclusive knowledge of God.

FxMasterz:
What the Lord Jesus said about Himself was true. And infact He actually had knowledge above all

Please try to compose yourself before you further engage me otherwise you will hate yourself after finding out how stupid you've turned out to be with your comments.

Did Jesus say he alone is the key to the knowledge of God? John 14:6
Did God direct everyone to Jesus for divine knowledge? Matthew 17:5

Meanwhile remember the topic of discussion "All babies are God's enemies"
You can reboot before coming back to me it's no crime!

Guy i like you so don't let this rise your BP o!

Jesus is the Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} foretold that will come and teach in parables {Psalms 78:2 compare to Matthew 13:34} so if you quote him care should be taken otherwise you will misconstrue what he meant.

Children are God's enemies but there are attributes in children we need to emulate.
That's what Jesus meant!

tctrills:
Its always the person saying nonsense that keeps boasting. To show how you are not making sense, you have qouted many verses but none from Matthew 18. Yes we know there are verses were children could mean something else but saying that everywhere the word children is mentioned in the bible, it has a different meaning then you would look foolish. For example Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.Try using your dishonest interpretation for this let's see how it goes.

tctrills:
Oga is this guesswork again. Where is it written that teaching the word of God was not allowed among non Jews?

Did God inspire any other race so that they can teach their children God's word?

Lot was Abraham's nephew but because he's not part of God's plan the angels reporting to God didn't take note of him not until Jesus led them to investigate the city and Abraham began negotiating for righteous people who could be found in Sodom. When the angels got there Lot's hospitality saved him! Hebrews 13:2
So God only made a covenant with Abraham that's why only his lineage were inspired by God to pass God's decrees to their children!

Do you still have further questions?

tctrills:
Let me understand you, are you saying that in Matthew 18, Jesus Christ was not referring to little children? Is this the JW interpretation of Matthew 18?
Is this your point?

Those listening to Jesus knew how God killed babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek so they fully understood that he wasn't talking about literal children but adults who have made themselves teachable like little children! John 21:5

Ọmọ BIBLE belongs to us no matter how much you're provoked i will continue to prove to you that we have the accurate knowledge of God's word! Isaiah 54:17

tctrills:
Your bible says he called a little children. And you are qouting John. Oga the incident is in Matthew. Are you confused again.

Ọmọ we use scriptures to interprets scriptures so if you're arguing over what Jesus meant by "children" i will quote where our born again brother (apostle John) makes use of the same language to prove that Jesus was talking about adults who have humbled themselves to learn like little children! 1John 2:1; 3:18; 5:21

Do you still have further questions?

tctrills:
I need to fully understand you. You are saying that according to JW teaching, Job and Melchizedek were not allowed to teach their kids the word of God? You are saying that before Deuteronomy 6:6-7 parents were not allowed to teach kids the word of God? Please show me where you read that.

Ọmọ you're really funny walahi talahi!

If you want to learn just humble yourself there's no gra gra in this matter it's either you humble yourself to learn from us or go ahead and figure things out all by yourself or any spirit can assist you but with us you must humble yourself!

Before God established the law covenant with the children of Jacob (Israel) most people only try to teach their children what they know could benefit them, some taught their children how to pursue riches and selfish goals while others trained children to be conscientious.
So those teaching their children to be honest hearted and sincere are the ones God picked interested in {Romans 2:15} that's why people like Methuselah, Enoch, Noah, Job and many others caught God's attention as His angels sent throughout the earth are reporting back to Him! Ezekiel 10:12 compare to 2Chronicles 16:9
But no matter the things anyone teach his or her child all are like filthy rags when compared to God's laws {Isaiah 64:6} that's why the true God always call Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because that's the lineage with which He established His righteous decrees.

Do you still have further questions?

tctrills:
Let me get you. You are saying that according to JW interpretation in the verses below, Jesus was speaking of a grown men right?

What Jesus meant became clear when he later called his disciples many of who are older than him "children" {John 21:5} so it became part of our spiritual language {Zephaniah 3:9} calling adults who have humbly subjected themselves like little children to learn! 1John 2:1; 3:18; 5:21


Do you still have further questions?

blowjohn:
The question I always ask is this:
How come a following founded not too long ago is the only way to eternity.
So God waited that long for JW to be formed?
What about people living in pre JW era?

Thought provoking question!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION began with Abel that's what Paul penned down {Hebrews 11:4} as inspired by God's Holy Spirit {2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21} but the group name was hidden from Satan and all his agents for thousands of years not until Jesus returned in 1914 to restructure the group by organizing his disciples to start working as he established the preaching and teaching campaign of God's Kingdom in the first century. Only one group heed his call and began working with him that's why 12 years later after they've preached in many land and formed a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} while Satan blindfolded all others {2Corinthians 4:4} making them to slaughter one another {Revelations 6:3-4} God's people were separated clearly so JEHOVAH began calling us by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in the year 1931! Isaiah 65:15

Do you still have more reasonable questions?

tctrills:
The bible is a record of the lineage of Jacob not Melchizedek. But let's say you are Right. The JW argument is because there is no record of Melchizedek lineage, it means Melchizedek was not allowed to teach his children the word of God? How does that even make sense.

NO! There's a purpose why laws were given to the Israelites if you don't know just ask but if you feel you can figure it out on your own go ahead and do so but it's clear that the God of Abraham chose Isaac out of eight sons born to Abraham, He (God) chose Jacob out of the two sons born to Isaac and with the descendants of Jacob He established the covenant promised to Abraham using the laws to seal it.

That's why only Israelites were commanded to pass God's laws unto their children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} if they truthfully love the God of their father Abraham! Deuteronomy 6:4-5 compare to Mark 12:29-30

Do you want to know why God emphasized that Israelites should inculcate His laws in the hearts of their children or not?

I have told you that you and i can never agree on the interpretation of what Jesus said so go straight to your question since you're interested in knowing what JWs believe.
Babies are God's enemies and i have given you the reasons why we believe so.
What Stephen Leth said is for JWs globally not for any other religionist so if you're interested just ask for why we hold onto such belief we know what an enemy of our God means and how to treat the enemies of our God!

tctrills:
You are either a liar or you don't read.
That quote is from chapter 18 of Matthew.
Now you have shown you are just a lazy person who would say anything his master's tell him without reading to know for himself.
Now let's see who Jesus Christ was talking about in that verse.Here are some of the previous verses. At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Even though we don't agree, I see you as an intelligent person but you are being lazy and ignorant when you would not read a single verse before writing your JW talk points. Please read the verses or even the chapter it had nothing to do with adults. Please read before commenting and stop embarrassing yourself. You would be better able to defend your religion if you learn to read the bible and not just JW talking points.

tctrills:
When a JW baby dies what's the difference. Now let's see the relationship between angels and babies.

The wages of sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23

tctrills:
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

God has his angels watching these precious ones. If this is how to be an enemy then we all should be enemies with God.

Jesus wasn't talking about literal babies here but adults who have humbled themselves as children due to their love for God, when such ones sit down with JWs to study the Bible like children JEHOVAH our God always send His angels to register their name in His memory book! Malachi 3:16

Do you still have more questions?

tctrills:
How is this important? Melchizedek did not need to read Deuteronomy before God made him a priest same with Moses in law. Do you think people were not serving God before Deuteronomy was written? Please ask questions that make sense. Do you think it was Deuteronomy that made Job a perfect man in the eyes of God?
Explain how your question is relevant.
Now back to my question please before you make me forget.

Do you know the lineage of Melchizedek or Job after their mention?
Because the Bible listed the names of the descendants of Jacob because the true God always claim they are His CHOSEN people!

FxMasterz:
Jesus Christ never claimed exclusive knowledge of God. He never claimed to know better than anyone.

Regarding the knowledge of God Jesus said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

God Himself spoke from heaven saying:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him" Matthew 17:5

In fact God forewarned the Israelites about this prophet saying:

"Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name". Deuteronomy 18:19

Jehovah's Witnesses will never argue with you regarding the knowledge of anything else but as for knowledge of our God if you don't believe what we're telling you go and worship yours only JWs have accurate knowledge about our God!

When a mortal man is supplicating the spirit realms it's called "PRAYER" in all other cultures people do make selfish demands but the God of Israel is the CREATOR of everything so you can't pray to Him for selfish reasons.
When white supremacists came to Africa they knew nothing about the God who is the Author of the book they're carrying so they told people lies with the intent of dominating our people. The gods our people worshiped are false like all others so instead of many to ask thought provoking questions regarding what those supremacists told them they thought they've found a better god through whom they can make their selfish demands.

So today most people are turning to atheism after seeing that they've been lied to but what they were told has nothing to do with the truth in Christ Jesus!

Funny atheist guessing how Melchizedek and Job taught their babies God's laws but arguing blindly over what is written!

tctrills:
You are right, adults that make themselves like chicken would enjoy the same reward Christ promised to the little children

When God's angels come to destroy babies who aren't taught God's word the same way it occurred in the days of Noah {Luke 17:26-27} you can stop the angels from destroying babies!

tctrills:
Ok you mean Job and Melchizedek instructed their kids to be evil? Please what verse of the bible teaches that God's none Israel servants were not allowed to teach their kids the way of the Lord. No guesswork here please.

Quote where the God of Israel commanded anyone from other nation to do what is written in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:6-7

FxMasterz:
The moment any individual claim an exclusive knowledge of God while denegrating all others, you already know that the devil is their master, and lies would be their stock in trade.

Regarding the highlighted a first century young Jew said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

Perhaps his (true) disciples will have the same mindset! John 17:22