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tctrills:
Which extreme is this man talking about.
Are you talking about the book that teaches that babies would inherit the kingdom of Heaven?

Adults that makes themselves teachable like children! John 21:5

tctrills:
So in short when God made relationships with Jeremiah and co, he was dealing with his evil enemies by condition.

They are God's enemies due to condition in which they are born {Romans 3:23} but are privileged to change their status as their parents are instructed to help them out! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

tctrills:
Now to another question, please show me where it is written that God can only deals with non Israelite Adults eg Job, Melchizedek and many others but when it comes to babies and fetus he only deals with Israelites.

Do you remember the lineage of Melchizedek or Job's descendants the same way the descendants of Abraham was recorded in the Bible?

That's what He meant by calling Himself the God of Abraham the God of Israel and the God of Jacob!

tctrills:
Lool. That is not my purpose. I understand you are not comfortable with what I do. But then you are free to stop answering me. So stop complaining and be a man.

I will when there's no reason to answer you any more! Ecclesiastes 3:7

But as long as you're displaying your faithlessness i will continue to push you to the extreme, what remains now is for you to denounce your faith in the book that says babies are sinners (God's enemies) right from their mother's womb {Psalms 51:5} and also commanded God's people to destroy little babies just as their God did in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek!

tctrills:
Are Israelite babies also God's enemies?

All humans are God's enemies from the womb {Psalms 51:5} that's why God commanded the Israelites to inculcate His laws in their children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so Israelites babies are also God's enemies until they prove they're loyal to the God of Israel by remaining in the laws of their God if not they will be killed by their own parents as stipulated by their God! Deuteronomy 21:18-21

You can't prove this wrong simply because you hate the truth!

That's the result of misinformation!

She was praying for what is impossible!

tctrills:
Now you are confused. If all babies are God's enemies, dies that not include Jewish babies but here you claim he blesses them.
Here is God's words to Israel
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

In those days they shall no longer say: “‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.’ But everyone shall die for his own iniquity. Each man who eats sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Of course Israelites babies are blessed for being descendants of Abraham: God's friend! James 2:23
That's why God continued to protect them as His people because any child born to that nation has the opportunity to know the truth about the condition of humans that all babies are God's enemies. When Israelites are sent out to destroy any nation they don't pity babies because they know that all babies are God's enemies unless those who are born , bread and raised with the laws of the God of Abraham.
If a child grows among them and decides to turn away from the laws of their God such a child must be killed {Deuteronomy 21:18-21} at that time such a child has become a curse to the land of Israel not a blessing!

tctrills:
I am happy you finally find a reason to laugh. Every and any one can claim to be God's people but every time I continue to see weakness in your doctrine

Continue deceiving yourself!

So why not present the religion you can vouch for or you have none yet claiming you know what the Bible teaches?

SeniorMan715:
You can't simply comprehend little explanation ;(

My brother he can but he's really pained to the marrow that with all his efforts to malign God's organization Max is making is insulting his intelligence as he can't refute the verses i'm quoting to prove to everyone that babies are truly God's enemies who really needed to be saved by inculcating God's laws in their hearts!

tctrills:
That's between me and my soul. But as for this platform I would continue to do what I do. Leave me and my soul to God

The highlighted makes me laugh because you are punishing yourself each time you try to prove God's people wrong only to end up getting provoked after you have failed!

So going by what you just typed the one and only group that needs to defend their faith out of over 41,000 religions claiming Christians is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION shey? Luke 12:11-12

Glory be to Jehovah in the heavens.
My friend do you still have more questions because i'm ready to continue tormenting you with indisputable truth that you can only argue blindly there is no other religion that you can present as the one and only group which you can vouch for their doctrine! Matthew 5:11-12

tctrills:
Are you confused here. You claim that children are God's enemies then I give you examples of children that had relationship with God from the womb then you claim that salvation is only for the Jews. What exactly is your point?
Are you saying that God is only friends with Jewish babies and enemies with other babies.
Like only Jewish babies go to heaven? Is that your gospel?

You know my point you're just misconstruing it to the detriment of your own soul!

All babies are God's enemies that's why He commanded the Israelites to inculcate in the minds of their children His laws so Israelite babies are covered as long as their parents follow God's laws to teach their children so they can become God's friends.
The fetus in the womb of an Israelite woman is already blessed since such a child will be born in a nation having God's laws so even though such a child is born as God's enemies the provision has been made to reconcile such babies as they grow up learning God's laws!

GeeM:
yes

Jesus began his operation as anointed King of God's Kingdom in heaven by the year 1914 that year he sent Satan and his demons packing out of heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} Satan and his cohorts have nowhere to go than the earth so they rushed down with fury, possessed many politicians and since they're all rebellious those they possessed became power drunk that's what led to the first world war, also resources that was supposed to be used for food production was diverted to the production, buying, selling and training humans to kill humans so there was food shortages! Matthew 24:7

Then the idle demons began possessing other humans who aren't politically oriented, these ones were given the power to perform signs and wonders {Revelations 16:14} so lots of religious groups were established all in the name of Christianity adding to the existing sects! Matthew 24:11

But at the same time Jesus Christ visited the earth and there was no single religion practicing what he taught back in the first century because Satan has confused them all! Luke 18:8

So Jesus began inspecting all the groups claiming Christians until he found a group of researchers called International Bible Students Association (IBSA) this group were reading the Bible carefully, studying it diligently, meditating on it thoroughly and praying fervently so as to gain the accurate knowledge of God {Proverbs 2:1-5} for doing this Jesus join them as an unseen spirit being {Matthew 18:20} and as his custom he started correcting the errors they believe this led to a great trouble in the group as many left the group and those taking the lead in the group were also arrested and imprisoned {Luke 21:12} but because they presented their case as directed by the spirit of God they were released five years later! Luke 21:13-15

So in the year 1919 they were released only for them to become the world's most powerful group of preachers and teachers of God's word, since that year they began campaigning for God's Kingdom {Matthew 24:14} while the rest of all the religions claiming Christians are carried away with Satan's agents (politicians) killing their neighbours as well as those who supposed to be their fellow believers in Christ! Revelations 6:3-4

Year 2019 makes a century that this group has been preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all the nations about God's Kingdom. In the year 1931 after they have successfully gathered millions throughout the earth, used God's word to settle all their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and using weapons, then vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again {Isaiah 2:2-4} the only true God began calling this group by another name to distinguish them from all others claiming Christians {Isaiah 65:15} that name is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

tctrills:
You are wrong again.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were never commanded to go and preach to people of other nations.
WHY because they are children of Jacob born, bread and brought up with God's laws which is the laws of their country so God chose them to speak with their own people not outsiders! Hebrews 1:1
It's Jesus and his disciples that were sent to go and convert people of other nations who have nothing to do with the Mosaic laws but having laws of their different nations! Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8

tctrills:
Its ok if you don't have the answers but if you conflict the scriptures I would point it out

Go and question other religions then see if all their doctrines will go down well with you, but if out of all the religions claiming Christians you can't vouch for any as the one and only group practicing Christianity then you're lying to your own soul!

43Ronin:
I am expecting answers from everyone that is a practising Christian including Maxindhouse, kobojunkie, etc.
thanks

Courz:
Help me ask them. According to them in this thread, as long as that child or Baby didn't get baptised to be a JW, That Baby or child will be destroyed at Armaggedon.

This is a lie perpetrated by enemies of God's organization!

Many unbaptized students of the Bible will not be destroyed at Armageddon!

The only reason why Armageddon will destroy many is failure to observe God's work as it's going on in their neighbourhood. JWs will come around knocking on doors to speak with people whoever give them a listening ear will be allowed to express his or her faith so if you know the organization of the true God then you will be in the best position to tell them you already know God's organization and present the fine fruit such organization is producing {Matthew 7:16-18} failure to do so means you believe God will approve all religions as long as an individual has good manners no matter the religion he belongs to, with such mindset you have judged yourself because from that moment you must not speak against any religion after all you believe anyone could be saved if he or she has good manners so your mindset is what God will use to judge you at Armageddon as you treat everyone the same way no matter their religion! Matthew 7:1-4

But if you're of the opinion that some religions are evil then you must be able to present the one and only religion practicing pure worship because that's what God told the Israelites: all other religions are false except the religion based on the Mosaic laws. There's no sitting on the fence you can't condemn any religion if you don't belong to the God of Israel who presented just one as pure. So you must know the one and only pure worship.

Now those who will be spared at Armageddon are: people who have studied the scriptures with Jehovah's Witnesses and dedicate their lives to Jehovah then always associating with worshipers of Jehovah {Hebrews 10:24-25} anyone who humbled himself or herself to give JWs the opportunity to discuss with him or her from the Bible {Matthew 10:11-15} their names will be written by angels {Malachi 3:16} sent to accompany JWs on their preaching and teaching campaign! Revelations 14:6

Children of JWs who are also studying the Bible will be spared even though they're still young as long as they're attending meetings with God's people {Hebrews 10:24-25} even though they are still very young the faith of their parents will serve as a shield over them {1Corinthians 7:14} as they're also attending our meetings and participating so every JW is anticipating seeing his or her child comment at our meetings because angels are taking note of all those in attendance as well as their participation! Malachi 3:16

So anyone outside this setting will be KILLED at Armageddon! Revelations 21:8

43Ronin:
so what happens to a child or baby that dies before being baptised. where does he go to? heaven or hell?

John the baptist was the first prophet who initiated baptism as a symbol of heartfelt dedication by the one getting baptized to the God of Israel, John never baptize babies!
Jesus also commanded his disciples to baptize new converts not babies.
WHY?
Because all humans are God's enemies not until they learn about the righteousness of God, repent and dedicate their lives to God that is the only way to reconciliation between a sinful human and the true God.
Israelites were commanded to dedicate their babies to God with the anticipation of teaching their children God's laws.
So whatever makes an Israelite fail to teach his or her child God's laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} the child will perish as a sinner {Deuteronomy 9:13-14} but his blood will be on the head of his or her parents who failed to teach the child the righteousness of God! Ezekiel 3:17-19

Regarding heaven or hell that's another topic entirely because the dead don't go anywhere at death man has fully paid for his sin! Romans 6:7

Thanks may you have PEACE!

tctrills:
I feel you are begging me not to question your answers with bible truths.
My answer is sorry but No

You're not questioning but arguing!

There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. Go and question other religions out there if they will respond the way i've been doing since!

tctrills:
If this the the case, then there is no need to allow the evil ones to be born. Then man's entire existence becomes a joke.
So according to JW, God chooses the good people from the womb.. very funny.
Then why do you guys still go out to preach since the faithful fetus are chosen in the womb. Did you read your answer before posting?

Guy you often run to a wrong conclusion out of anxiety!

Do you think God is doing the same to all kinds of people?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa. His program regarding the redemption plan is based on the descendants of Jacob.

That's why He calls Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because his plan is based on that nation and children born among them that's why He insisted they TEACH all their children His laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so they can start building faith in those who may not have it from childhood! 2Timothy 3:15

tctrills:
John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were all chosen and called by God right from the womb. How come God called his unrepentant enemies.
Or did they also repent and accept God in the womb?.

All humans are God's enemies due to Adamic sin but God used His power to look into the attributes of this sinful fetus to know whether they will be faithful or not.
My own father was a stanch politician and right from the day i was born his political colleague in their cult came with their Oracle and out of all his children i was the one chosen by their Oracle as the only child who will be strong when it comes to loyalty.

So just as the true God cherishes loyalty Satan also cherish loyalty they both know from childhood which child will be truly loyal.

That's what God saw right from when these ones are still fetus in their mother's womb but yet they're all sinners! Romans 3:23; Psalms 51:5

tctrills:
John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were all chosen and called by God right from the womb. How come God called his unrepentant enemies. Or did they also repent and accept God in the womb? Sometimes you need to question your church leaders. Don't just swallow the poison they feed you with.

My guy, go and relax there's no need arguing blindly over what is clear to you.
If you have any question feel free to ask just as you've been doing and after you've gotten the answer from us just take it as our own belief it can never ever be the same as yours that's why we are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Seniorman!

The love you have for the truth is making you happy and i pray that God continue to fasten your feet on the path to life because many have tried but can't stand the test of faith! Luke 13:24

May the underserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit continue to guide and strengthen you. Amen!

God's people will forever beat you people when it comes to thoughtful reasoning about the things our God is doing. Isaiah 54:17
Next time let all unbelievers know that whatever Christ's brothers say can't be disputed even though you people may not like to hear it.
Babies are God's enemies that's why He always destroy them along with their evil parents but saves only those who are obedient to His words.
My churchgoer guy has tried with all his arguments to prove Jesus' brother wrong only to end up saying those saved during God's anger later died but forgot that their names are recorded in God's word as examples for us and Jesus even referred to them as examples of FAITH while he emphatically told Israelites that their babies will be destroyed along with them if they fail to heed the warning he gave his disciples!
Thank you all and may you have PEACE!

tctrills:
Again, you are not making an intelligent point. Both the babies of the Good and bad die so the death of a baby is no big deal.

You just want to argue blindly!

Noah's children were saved in the Ark because their father acted with faith and they were with him, Lot's children were saved for the same reason, Israelite's firstborn were saved in Egypt for the same reason.
So there's no need arguing with you because you have gotten the point.
Just know that anyday anytime and anywhere you find JWs we know our own God and we can tell you all you need to learn about Him if you humbly make yourself teachable like little children and you can escape His impending burning anger if you're willing to be saved!

Farewell!

Janosky:
Oga continue DECEIVING YOURSELF .
If you get liver screenshot Acts 24:10-14 & SHAME YOURSELF
Ozuo.

This one is the funniest clown on Nairaland!

He has been arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing churchgoers but now he wants to join them to form alliance against JWs!

Janosky:
Is it difficult to Screenshot his post? I'm not sure you understand the point Max has made in his comments.

I have studied him very well and discovered he is the same atheist i cut off from my mention so henceforth i won't engage him again he's worried with the points we are making that's why he left everything else and start following JWs all over the forum even though he claims to be an atheist who doesn't believe in God's word.
Ọmọ i'm ignoring him completely!

tctrills:
Jesus was very specific here that the children would inherit his kingdom. He did not give any conditions for children. So as I always ask, do we believe you or Jesus Christ. Remember, I even quoted from your own bible.

Believe whatever suits you, God has always destroyed babies (children) along with parents who are evildoers so Jesus wasn't assuring anyone that babies will be spared during God's anger but telling us to make ourselves humble and teachable like little children because that's the QUALITY the prophets foretold will save us:

"Before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger." Zephaniah 2:2-3

When Jesus said:
“Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” John 21:5
Was he talking to babies as you're thinking or adults?
Remember most of his disciples were older than him in age.

So listen and learn Jesus wasn't talking about literal children but adults who humbled themselves and became teachable like those children!

FxMasterz:
You know quiet well that He destroyed only those who didn't enter the ark. Were the animals destroyed during the floods of Noah God's enemies too?

Has God ever mentioned any animal as His friend?
Well He never did because they lived on instinct so they're not created in His image like humans and they have no part in his redemption plan. In fact after destroying those animals and everything on dry land God said in His heart:

“Never again will I curse the ground on man’s account, for the inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up; and never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done" Genesis 8:21

So they weren't part of His enemies to be destroyed but humans with all their babies will be destroyed as God's enemies if they aren't prepared to learn from past experience! Luke 17:26-27

Ken4Christ:
Jesus preached hell fire more than any other person in the Bible. Go through the four gospel and confirm it for yourself. Hell is real. Don't joke about it. Millions are already there weeping and gnashing their teeth. But you can escape it if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Jesus never preached Hellfire it's translators that did what you're reading what Jesus said is GEHENNA not HELLFIRE!

delkuf:
And he is an angel

Do you know his beginning?

Aemmyjah:
The governing body update is out!
So touching
I just feel prouder of this family
Apostates said the GB did not want to acknowledge the brothers attacked in Hamburg
They too will watch it but their hearts if full of worms
They won't acknowledge what Jehovah is doing for us in Germany and in Malawi, Mozambique and Bahamas
They are looking where we failed to put a comma or full stop in our publications so they can resume their torments

My brother, before i often pity them but now i know why father Abraham told their group that Lazarus can't cool their thirst it's not deliberate but the place they choose to be is their problem because they don't want to be inside but outside yet they want to continue getting updates from what is happening inside!

GeeM:
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The word RAPTURE was used by churchgoers to describe what Jesus promised his co-rulers {John 14:6} just as we sow seeds in the ground these people must die first and be buried before they can be transformed into spirit creatures {1Corinthians 15:43} but they have to wait until Jesus Christ is given the authority to begin his rulership right in heaven {Psalms 110:1} after Jesus' resurrection he told his friends that they must work really hard to fetch their own subjects throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8} these disciples will become their earthly subjects when Christ's co-rulers begin their government in heaven {Revelations 14:1, 6} so the first to be raised from the dead will be Christ's co-rulers {Revelations 20:6} Paul told us that they will be the first to hear the voice of the Christ right inside their graves {1Thessalonians 4:16} the rest of them will be transformed immediately after they are buried to go and join their colleagues in heaven! 1Thessalonians 4:17

That is what misinformed churchgoers called RAPTURE expecting to see them fly in the sky but Jesus Christ have informed us that those going to be part of that system will become like angels {Luke 20:34-36} so nobody can see them when they're leaving the earth but we will know if we are studious readers of God's word.

HOW?

Jesus said so many things that will characterize his presence in power when he begins ruling in heaven these are the signs the whole world has been experiencing for the past 100 years. Matthew 24:3-14

Do you want to know more?

bobestman:
Jehovah witness from abel to john. He went to prepare government house for them in heaven.... Hehehe when your mumu go do? Those churcgoers are even far better than you cos your brain don die

Ṣebí you said paradise heaven on earth will be here, where is the evidence that your god can do it?
Jehovah's Witnesses are already making the earth a Paradise, just like the days of Noah when millions are busy doing what they think is best Noah and his children were building a Ark. Luke 17:26-27
Today Jehovah's Witnesses aren't just idle like you and your god {Psalms 115:4-8} we are working towards our faith {James 2:18-26} millions throughout the world have beat their swords into plowshares just as our God foretold {Isaiah 2:2-4} and when it comes to love among ourselves we are settling our differences without using weapons {John 13:34-35} in fact globally today people are scared of what Jehovah's Witnesses will say {1Peter 1:12} because they know that we all speak with one voice! Zephaniah 3:9 compare to John 17:22

Ọmọ all these are possible because JEHOVAH is working with imperfect humans who have subjected themselves to doing His will! Zechariah 4:6

Please tell me what your own god has been doing to prove that you know what you're saying!

What really baffles me about this thread is how different sects including atheists are coming to argue over what the Bible teaches even though they felt the Bible is filled with gibberish!