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bobestman:
Anyone that you believe in but traditional is the father of them all cos it had been before all of them

Your CHOICE is traditional but all are under RELIGION!

If JWs choose to ignore your stupidity it's not that you have anything worthwhile to say but we just don't have your time.
David saw God speaking to His son in heaven. Psalms 110:1
Stephen saw God and His son standing at His right hand in heaven! Act 7:56
Paul said Jesus will rule for a tenure and return the rulership back to God! 1Corinthians 15:25-28

So your argument is lost my friend go and eat your food!

NNTR:
You revealed your lack of proper understanding what ekklesia is
Psalm 22:1, 31
1My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
Why are You so far from helping me, and from the words of my groaning?
31They will come and declare His righteousness
To a people yet to be born--that He has done it [and that it is finished].
Why not could God be talking to Himself. Hmm?
It was for the benefit of David.
You hit the bail on the head, that, in heaven no human can see Go.
So, it was for the benefit of David, to see an incorporeal God and then after to speak prophetically of the remarkable experience and impressive vision he beheld
I am sure Psalm 22:1, 31, seen up there, is above your pay grade to flesh out and even correctly flush out
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MindHacker9009:
Mark 14:21
"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him".
Why did Jesus call Himself the Son of man when He was concieve be a virgin?

According to God's word "MAN" is used for mankind in general for example God said:

And God went on to create the MAN in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them! Genesis 1:27

"MAN does not live by bread alone" Deuteronomy 8:3

Jeremiah said to God:

"MAN'S way does not belong to him. It does not belong to MAN who is walking even to direct his step" Jeremiah 10:23

So when Jesus called himself "son of man" he was using the general term!

NNTR:
Revelation 3:20
Listen!
I am standing at the door and knocking!
If anyone hears My voice and opens the door I will come into his home
and share a meal with him, and he with Me.

Ephesians 3:16-18
16God is wonderful and glorious.
I pray that his Spirit will make you become strong followers
17and that Christ will live in your hearts because of your faith.
Stand firm and be deeply rooted in His love.
18 I pray that you and all God's people will understand what is called wide or long or high or deep.

The person sitting at the right hand and the other person in whose right hand the first person is sitting, is God, the same person, one and only

Now, here are easy questions for you to try your hands on:
1. Please tell me, is it impossible for someone (i.e. in fact, God) to be, in two places at one time (i.e. God be in two positional places, at one time)
2. Did Jesus call Himself, I AM (i.e. YHWH pka Jehovah), or not?
3. Who resides in hearts? (e.g. your heart and every other believers' hearts) Who is the person?
4. If God is incorporeal (i.e. meaning, having no physical existence), then how does one, make visible to the eye of a human being, God that has no physical existence?

Take care how far the in to the rabbit hole you are burrowing

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The highlighted is enough to show that you're just a deluded churchgoer!

If Jesus was talking to himself here on earth just to teach people how to pray he couldn't be talking to himself again while in heaven where humans can't see him practice the same thing!

achorladey:
If not for your military intelligence that has lost its radars and needs to be found as soon as possible. Here was the MaxInDHouse
After some minutes
Why lie and deny in the first place earlier. Many problem for the your military intelligence. It keeps drowning . You can peddle cry cry alongside wailings alongside that your favourite brother in Jehovah who peddles no get sense here on nairaland

My experience with the intelligence is what you and your cohorts can never ever meet up in this life!
JWs will never pray with or for someone we hardly know and if we must pray in his or her presence that should be when we are doing what requires prayer e.g during our meetings, when we are about to eat and when we want to conduct a Bible study but you call a JW with whom you have nothing to do with the three aforementioned and ask him to pray or join you in prayer even with your daddy and mommy GOs a JW will simply decline.
That shows we don't engage unbelievers who are prepared to learn from us! Proverbs 28:9

achorladey:
Is the reason for responding to me relevant or not?
Oya change mouth again

You already know why i'm responding if it has nothing to do with other followers i'll simply ignore you!

achorladey:
You have not told us the reason for peddling faithless miscreants, curses, abuses, insults over something or organization that is not evil. Do you peddle curses, insults and abuses over your religious organization that is not evil?
Peddle your story for the gods

Freemason is simply a tag.
Case closed!

achorladey:
How easy and comfortable to accuse others of carrying the tag for head what you had repeatedly lay curse, abuses and insults over delusions
It is now indeed story story when your intelligence are brought into scrutiny over the matter and the way you handled it

More STORY for the gods!
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni since you don't know what freemason is doing that's evil in the society case don close!

achorladey:
These are the teachings your religious organization carry about and used as criteria to judge what they set up as God's organization Just imagine the below
You call it new light. Rather your religious organization and leaders were in darkness. and you still went ahead to lie and deny what you do when you go to what you called field service. You pray for those not Jehovah’s witnesses before you go for field service paapaa . You can keep the denials. That's your mode of operations here. You will lie, deny and admit what you do. What is but? But what?

YES! We tell them God's standard and if they're willing to continue in the things we're teaching them we will pray so that our God help them {John 17:8-9} because without God it's not possible to practice what we are preaching! Luke 18:27

achorladey:
Yes for the non Jehovah’s witnesses and the them for the non Jehovah’s witnesses What is the meaning of the but?

Cry cry baby we pray with and for anyone who doesn't feel irritated with the truth we preach!

achorladey:
You won't come here to peddle your, I am only responding to your post to help the Honesthearted and sincere ones following the thread since they were of no relevance

OK you already know why i'm responding to you now shey?
Good boy!

NNTR:
Matthew 3:17
And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying,
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
(i.e. “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings Me great joy.”)

You're going round and/or around in circles, with these your feeble lines of questioning, and they will get you nowhere

1. Did Jesus call Himself, I AM (i.e. YHWH pka Jehovah), or not?
2. Remember the term, bilocation (i.e. or sometimes referred to as multilocation) shared with above?
3. For whose benefit, in that Matthew 3:17, was the hearing of that voice?
4. What about the Son, particularly, is to be pleased about?

Jeremiah 32:17
Ah Lord Jehovah!
behold, thou hast made the heavens and the earth
by thy great power and by thine outstretched arm;
there is nothing too hard for thee,

Your unfamiliarity with the term soliloquy, (i.e. an act of speaking one's thoughts aloud to the hearing of others) makes you ask this question

I wont be surprised, if you are of the frame of mind that, it's impossible for someone (i.e. God) to be, in two places at one time (i.e. God be in heaven and physically be on earth, at one time)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

David prophesied about the Christ saying:

“Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

Please who is sitting at the right hand and who is the other person in whose right hand the first person is sitting!

STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!
If the freemason is an organized group that no government has brought to book ọmọ nah delusion dey worry all of una wey dey carry the tag for una head!

achorladey:
Oga military intelligence officer is a military government a lawful government or society? . Intelligence keeps drowning. No one said don't hang to your words. That's not the point Now it is OK but last year you were peddling faithless miscreant over it because you perceive they were linking you to something evil Military intelligence enter water. The agitation last year over the matter was about what?

achorladey:
But your Jehovah says you should hate your enemies or persons abi?

What you quoted has been updated due to the new light but then the hatred still stands that we can't pray with anyone who is not a JW.

achorladey:
You pray for those who are not Jehovah’s witnesses studying bible with you abi or those persecuting your members abi?

YES! We pray that our God help them to put what they're learning to practice because we know it's not easy without God's help so we still maintain our stand that the only reason we can engage them in sacred service is when they're ready to do what our God requires!

achorladey:
It signifies the double standards, pharisee and hypocrisy your religious organization propagated right from it's inception +/-140 years ago and known for

Your PERSONAL opinion which is of no relevance to us!

achorladey:
The more reason we always tell you that you love propagating double standards, it is when you get cornered you look for room to save the face and head of your religious organization and that of yours.
See the picture below.....

Wow! That's exactly what God's organization is doing!

Do you remember JWs won't pray for or with those who aren't JWs?

What do you think that signifies?

So who spoke to John the baptist at Jesus' baptism, spoke during transfiguration and also responded to Jesus when he said "father glorify your name"?

NNTR:
With that act, of setting an example for us to follow or copy, and with it, showing us what to do, in agony situations, similar, less or more like that, who do you think Jesus called upon?

Did Jesus call Himself I AM (i.e. YHWH pka Jehovah), or not?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

SeniorMan715:
1 john 5:16-17

If anyone catches sight of his brother committing a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and God will give life to him, yes, to those not committing sin that incurs death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death

When a Christian brother joins the obscene jesting or improper advances of the world and doing it towards the other gender it's wrong yet such acts can't incur death since it's commiting sexual immortal that led to the death of sinner but then such acts is sin on its own because such may affect the conscience of the weaker mind leading them into taking it further. So we must correct our brothers in a mild manner reminding them to consider those who are weak.

NNTR:
Luke 18:27
Jesus said,
"The things that are impossible for people to do are possible for God to do."

Your unfamiliarity with the term bilocation, (i.e. or sometimes referred to as multilocation) makes you ask this question

Jesus was setting an example for us, and showing us, how to pray to God, hence thats the reason behind the idea of Jesus praying to Himself

Watch this, it wouldn't be unsurprising to me, if I hear you, say, it's impossible for someone (i.e. God) to be, in two places at one time (i.e. God be in heaven and physically be on earth, at one time)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So who was Jesus calling when he was in agony?

SeniorMan715:
Please can you help explain 1 John 5-16:17

Please what do you mean by the underlined?

That's to tell you that God doesn't hate the sinner but the sin!

The sinner is free to practice whatever the world approves but from his own heart he acknowledged the fine WORKS of pure worship so if he decides to support pure worship with his gifts that will be welcomed it's his worship that will require a change as for the gifts he brought there's nothing evil about his gifts because those receiving it never destroy their swords and spears rather they beat the swords into plowshares and the spears into pruning shears. Isaiah 2:4

So they will make the best use of whatever is brought into God's house!

achorladey:
Gambling is lucrative business and God forbids it but God collect proceeds from what he forbids to glorify pure worship Violence is a lucrative business in some part of the world. God hates violence but God would readily collects proceeds from violence obtained from those part of the world to support pure worship After all God collects proceeds from pagan worshipers to built the temple as captured in the Bible The reason we say that Pharisees mentality and hypocrisy will never go away. When it suits your religious organization you go the whole length and breadth of the Bible to see how to defend it but your same mouth will condemn others who do same

achorladey:
You are at liberty to keep peddling your faithless miscreant all over nairaland. I am not holding you back from doing so since you find delight in it The reason you were told to go to that thread and read slowly over and over again. Since from the above no evil is attached to freemason according to you, why do you go about insulting and abusing the creator of the thread and those making post there? Why?

In a nutshell you can't point to any evil this so called freemason is causing, it's OK!

Military intelligence can't comprehend my post bah? Not every society dance to the music of freedom of association, speech and expression. Go back and see the part you mention society. Not every society is democratic

Well i said "lawful society" not "every society" so i stand on my word that in a lawful society freedom of speech, expression, worship and association is granted to everyone!

You cannot purposely go back to the numerous thread to apply your military intelligence and see the obsession you crave about it the whole of last year leading to numerous insult and abuses of those you tagged obsessed over it.

Ọmọ there's nothing evil about the freemason if you can't point it out!

Faith must have WORKS! James 2:18-26

Present the works of your faith.

brocab:
Are non-Jewish believers in a Jewish Messiah (Jesus Christ) considered the people of God? Yes.
Jesus came for all mankind, not just to save Israel {Romans 1:16, 10:12; Galatians 3:28}
The relationship of God to His people is more than His calling; they also call Him their God.
David says, “I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity.
All these things have I given willingly and with honest intent.
And now I have seen with joy how willingly your people who are here have given to you” {1 Chronicles 29:17}
Here, God’s people are identified more by their willingness to give themselves to Him than by their nationality.

Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord becomes a part of the people of God.
The relationship does not come through church attendance or good deeds.
It is a deliberate choice to follow God alone.
That is why {2 Corinthians 6:16, Mark 8:38} both indicate that a choice has to be made.
And when we make that choice to embrace God, He embraces us as well. Then we truly are His people.
The Watchtower is knowing by their works door knocking and their faithful commitment towards the Watchtower organisation they attend their temple each Sabbath.
So without your faithfulness towards Christ: you are not saved..We don't come in the name of Jehovah he can't save you. We come in the name of Jesus, He can save you.

brocab:
Unfortunately that is what the scripture is telling us. But you would prefer to twist it just to satisfy yourselves.
There is no where in the bible where it say's we all must go door knocking.
{Luke 10:5-7}, we find direct instruction from Christ not to preach from house to house: “And into whatsoever house you enter, first say, Peace be to this ...
So obviously you are practicing something that is not scriptural..And on top of all that 'you are trying to force people to risk their own lives serving the Watchtower-door to door knocking is not scriptural, especially with the organisation you claim is right, it's members are obviously under a curse disobeying the Word of God.

Jesus never shouted in the streets! Matthew 12:19
So go and practice whatever pleases you!

So who was Jesus pray to?

Islam is closely associated to politics that's the root cause, Muslims strongly believe they must have the final say in the politics of their community and politics is about terrorism so Muslims finds it really difficult to separate their religion from the shackles of politics that's why terrorism is linked to Islam.
But when Muslim stay away from politics they will not be remembered anymore when talking about terrorism.

All humans were born atheists it's our parents and guardians that raised us as believers in one thing or another. If you choose to become an atheist it simply means you've returned to the default mode so the illness and cure can happen to anyone that's not evidence enough that there is a God out there.
The title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING so the evidence of a SUPREME BEING should be availability of beings unitedly following orders from the one who is SUPREME!

oteneaaron:
So basically, the end justifies the means right?
It doesn't matter where the money comes from right? Even if the money is coming the pocket of the god of this system of things aka "Satan" right? Interesting. Thank you for confirming that you and other Jehovah's Witnesses in general are HYPOCRITES. Do what I say, but not what I do.
Thank you so much for confirming this Max.
Good thing the internet never forgets.

Ọmọ take the case to anywhere on this planet JW organization will be justified under any human law it's you that's disturbing your brain over what God has approved.
The case is simple:
God's organization is for people who don't fornicate, gamble or kill but if those who are into all these acts choose to contribute to God's work their gifts will be accepted it's their worship that will not be approved so for them to gain approval in worship they must change.

This is very simple and straightforward but you feel like setting the standard here when you're of no relevance.

That's the same way you started ranting the other day i said
"don't give a Bleep"
You thought the heavens must fall when it's a common phrase out there.
Ọmọ go and chop isi-ewu and take chilled beer to step down nobody cares how you feel about this unless faithless miscreants like you.

In ancient times the God of Israel accepted gifts from pagan nations, Jesus also accepted gifts from Pharisees but when one of them came to ask for what he must do for his worship to be approved by God Jesus told him he must change. John 3:5-6

So what you think is of no relevance here my guy!

Ọmọ continue dreaming in your head i don't care as long as God's organization is performing as Jesus foretold!

brocab:
What I don't understand about you: is that you stand up for a organisation that has told you, you are under a curse because of your color: you are already branded as an outcast-they have no place for you to serve, they refuse to recognize you even exist: and you accept that rubbish-from an organisation that won't give you time of day, expecting you to go door knocking putting your life at risk, all the name of Jehovah {Not Jesus} so you can earn your way into the new Earth, you believe Jehovah will grant you to become white.
Jesus wasn't white, blacker then most people-and you are told you aren't worthy enough to be classed as a proper member of the Watchtower because your color is black.
You aren't doing yourself any good: trying to fight for the Watchtower-if you became a Born Again christian we accept all color with respect."Everyone is not above the other, it doesn't matter who are Elders Pastors Teachers claim to be-we are or equal in the eye's of God..

brocab:
{Matthew 10:1-13} Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.
What does Matthew chapter 10 verse 11 mean?
Jesus has told them not to take any extra provisions with them. God will provide all they need through the people they minister to in each town. They must not charge for their services of healing and preaching, but they should expect those who are helped to offer them hospitality and provision.
As we read it: it say's as you enter into a town or village search there until you find someone worthy to stay at the there home. This does not mean go door knocking. This man was street preaching before he found somebody worthy enough the stay with them.. .

So it's in the street corners you should start noise pollution {Matthew 12:19} instead of knocking to greet the householder shey?

Keep deceiving yourself!

oteneaaron:
You say gambling is a sin and a sign of greed but your double standards has been exposed.

This is funny walahi talahi!

Gambling is a lucrative business in the world but God's organization forbids it just as God's organization forbids fornication and killing but if someone's business is either weapon manufacturing, brothel or lottery as long as the world approves it we have no business with that and if the businessman chose to glorify pure worship with his money it will be acceptable.
Simple and straightforward!

achorladey:
And you were there all year round with your military intelligence peddling faithless miscreant, insults and abuses over nothing.

Faithless miscreants is the best word to describe people tagging faithful servants of God with strange names like "FREEMASON" yet you can't pinpoint the exact evil this so called freemason is causing in the society.

achorladey:
That's why I always tell you your military intelligence don drown. Military government all over the world are known and notorious for dictatorship and heavy-handed in terms of freedom of speech, association and worship.

Military intelligence doesn't mean military government nah!

achorladey:
Since what was on that thread is insignificant and you see nothing unlawful about it, why raise issues and start asking questions over things that are insignificant?

I purposely brought it up perhaps someone can tell me why the obsession about the so called freemason!

bobestman:
LOL. Have you been to any traditional wedding before? What kinds of ppl do you see there? Are their not enough witnesses from both the groom and bride's ppl? Do you even know that all the weddings in your bible from both old and new testament were all traditional weddings? They were all done in homes not any synagogue or church. You all claim to know or folloW the messiah but abandon his true teachings for traditions of men

Whether Church, Mosque or Traditional all i'm saying is religion also has a vital role to play in the wedding of two persons coming together as one!

achorladey:
I am putting your intelligence to task and assignment. Go to that thread you have expended most of your energy in insults and abuses before to learn now. It is not a difficult thing to do. Default mode peddling peddler. Awon show us a better performing performance group
Something is there, the reason I am making referral back to it. You see why you need to keep applying this your military intelligence you boast of

Natin dey there!

You and your friends are just obsessed with the tag "FREEMASON" as a military intelligence officer the first and foremost rule in any lawful society is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association.
So if there's nothing unlawful based on what the society generally believe then whatever tag you give an association the intelligence will dismiss it as insignificant!

achorladey:
Go to that thread and apply your intelligence. It is not a difficult thing to do.

It's when you know there's nothing in there that you result to default mode like this, i know how desperate you are to pinpoint the fact if anything worthwhile is there!

achorladey:
You are still cursing and lying all over Nairaland

I already gave you an answer of which you are responding to. Go to that thread. It is not a difficult thing to do

What is FREEMASON and what are the evil this so called freemason is causing in the human society?

Just a simple answer will do, thanks!