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Endless wars in the so called body of christ. . . . . .I laugh in aramaic. . . .

naijababe:
I feel you man. I was born into a muslim family, became a xtian 10 yrs ago but found out that Jehovah is just as bad as Allah and right now I am  a proud deist.

All the gods of man made religions are man made ideas end of story men created all the gods and that is a FACT. . . .allah and yahweh are the same read the OT and the Koran the two gods are just the same but with different chosen people and a a little different mood of operation. . . . . .

noetic15:
I have honestly missed u . . . . , nairaland has been boring lately. . . .your absence has exposed me to reading abuzola's posts

I have no evidence that the spirit guided Paul or the apostles. but one can always reconcile their teachings to the core messages of Jesus. The key word is BELIEVE. I believe that the teachings of the apostles and prophets as written in the bible was INSPIRED by God, . . . . .just my opinion.

Sure. . .Neotic my man

noetic15:
very typical of mazaje. . . .to jump into a debate he has little understanding of

Two days. . . .How far now? How body, Hope you are good out there?. . . . . I missed you

1. I believe I answered the questions myself. Paul wrote under the guidance of the Spirit. . . . . .its a leave or take case. whats your pick?

Paul wrote under the guidance of the holy spirit based on what evidence?. . . . .  where you there when the holy spirit was guiding him or do you just accept the theory?

2. The bible is a collection of spiritually filled books. what stops the catholics from collecting such books? whose responsibility is it to collect such?

Very typical of my man. . . .what have all these questions got to do with anything? The Christian bible is a collection  of books put together by the catholic church. . .

FYI: The catholic bible contains more books than the protestant bible and different books by the others. It implies that it is each individuals responsibility to seek and find the truth. but the bible as we see it today contains the truth as depicted by Christ before His death.

Fair enough. . . . . You are entittled to your own opinion. . . .

noetic15:
u are joining three different issues together here. . . . .please learn to be objective.

was the scriptures written by Paul and the apostles without the guidiance of the spirit?. . . .No.
was the scripture preserved for hundreds of years without the guidiance of the spirit?. . . .No.
so what EXACTLY is your point?

Very typical of neotic to answer questions with questions. . . . .Do you have any evidence to show that paul and the mostly unknown writers of the gospels and epistels were under the guidiance of what you call the holy spirit?. . . .NO you don't. . .

His question which you refuse to answer is this.  . . . . Is it the same holy spirit which you claim to have influenced paul the same holy spirit that influenced the catholic bishops who voted to choose what should be considred the word of god and what to be discarded?. . . .The bible as we know it today is a product of the catholic tradition(because they made it what it is). . . .so were the catholic bishops under the influence of this same holy spirit you are talking about when they decided to cannonize what they believe deserves to be considered as scripture and what they felt needed to be discarded?. . . .If yes then why do you guys go around claiming that the catholics are lost?

You can import turkish suit, baby cloths, jeans, jewellries etc. . . . .their prices are good and their products are excellent. . . . .

muhsin:
Gaskiya ne; I didn't read it.

What is the "gaskiya" there?


Earlier this month, a man was stoned to death for adultery in the port town of Merka, south of Mogadishu.

His pregnant girlfriend was spared, until she gives birth.

Last month, two men were stoned to death in Merka after being accused of spying.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8366197.stm

Obalende:
Your delusion lies in the fact that you do not realise that spiritual matters need spiritual facts not physical facts. the Biblical evidence is sufficient because no other physical evidence can explain the non physical.

This is false, because if you really believe in what the bible teaches then it talks about signs that will follow those who believe in its teachings, it says the signs(evidence) will be there for all to see so that the glory of the father can be exalted. . . .What you are doing here is pushing your claims to the relm of the unknown which is not acceptable. . . .If your religion is "true" as you love claiming then it should and can be demostrated. . . have you read the bible at all?. . .I repeat the truth does NOT need belief. . . .

Jehovah is in charge of why Mecca is predominantly non-Christian today.

Does jehovah believe in equal opportunities for all? , You believe this jehovah created everything and has a good plan for everybody(humanity)  and the good plan is that humans get to know him and his divine plan according to the hypothesis you believe in yet this jehovah character allows people to be born in places where his supposed message for humanity can not get to them eh?. . . .he supposedly created everybody but ended up choosing some people as his chosen people and told them to go kill others, take their women, steal their land and in some cases burn them and their animals as burnt offering unto him for no reason at all because they worshipped other gods, by the way if you read your bible your jehovah strongly warned his chosen people not to associate with the others that worship other gods. . .he did not reveal himself to them rather he willingly strengthed their hearts against him according to the story. . . .this your jehovah character is really mess I must say. . . . .

Lie. The basis of the Christian faith is inward knowledge of God Himself as promised in the New Covenant. Those that have received (all Christians), because they have seen and known God, hence believe. Thats why the aposples said:

"We speak of[b] what we have seen and heard[/b]"(Acts)

This is FALSE. . . .The fact is there is NO inward knowledge of the christian god as you claim the evidence is there for all to see. . . . since the christian god is NOT there we have people all over the place self projecting themselves as god using the bible as a guide. . . .This is the reason we have over 33,000 sect in christianity most with very opposing views but all still use the bible and claim they alone really know what it is talking about. . . . You have not seen or heard anything. . all you have seen and heard are the words of other men and the stories they have written. . . .sometimes you see things that are not there just because you really want to see them and your brain helps you in seeing them. . . nothing more. . . .

The problem you have is that you dont realise who a Christian is. Moreover, why should you compare a physical mammal to something spritual.

"The last man Adam, became a life giving Spirit"

What is this spirit you keep talking about all the time? If I ask you for evidence you will begin to cry for me while quoting verses from the bible, verses that have no basis in reality at all . . . .I undestand the need for you to feel that others that do not believe in your stories are "condemned" while you on the other hand are "saved". . .I understand the comfort and speacial feelings it gives. . .I was once there and I know it very well. . .What I will not accept is why you try to use your delusions to rub it on my face. . . .You believe I am "condemned" keep it to yourself. . . .Stop mixing me with the likes of deluded animals like abuzola when making moot points that have no basis at all in reality. . . . .

[quote author=gombo_s link=topic=353773.msg4950358#msg4950358 date=1258554161]no actually it wasnt. maybe you should read?

The man was unmarried, so he committed fornication not adultery. the punishment for thst is 100 lashes man or woman.

she committed adultery, which means she was married then cheated on her husband with this dude. the punishment for that is stoning man or woman.

However, sharia says that there has to be 4 witnesses that saw the act of penetration, which is technically impossible to happen. The only other thing that would make this acceptable was if the woman confessed.[/quote]Your point is moot. . .so you really believe that a woman/man deserves to die just because he/she commited adultry? hmmmm wow just wow. .  . .

A 20-year-old woman accused of committing adultery in Somalia has been stoned to death by Islamists in front of a crowd of about 200 people.

A judge working for the militant group al-Shabab said she had had an affair with an unmarried 29-year-old man.

He said she gave birth to a still-born baby and was found guilty of adultery. Her boyfriend was given 100 lashes.

It is thought to be the second time a woman has been stoned to death for adultery by al-Shabab.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8366197.stm

What kind of backwardness and babarism is this? Why stone to death a woman in this present time and age for adultry? What upsets me most is that the animals that murdered her are in NO way better than her at all. . . Why wasn't the man that got her pregnant stoned to death also? And yet some people will still claim that this babaric religion called Islam is justice? What kind of babaric justice is this? Na wah for this Religion of piss. . . . .

Obalende:
You need to realise that contrary to popular atheist, new birth (salvation), the result of Christs birth, death and ressurection has an evidece.

Err what evidence are you talking about exactly beside the stories written in the bible
? Even the authors of the gospel do not even agree on where exactly jesus appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead. . . the writers of the gospel do not seem to agree how many days exactly jesus spent on earth before he allegedly ascended into heaven, coupled with their various conflicting accounts of what really happened at the tomb of jesus. . . .

What makes one a Christian is not family he was born in but an inward knowledge of regeneration.

What makes one a christian(or moslem) are MOSTLY upbringing or the surrounding environment. . . 500 years ago there were no christians in your village infact there were no christians in nigeria as a whole. . .if you were born into a hausa muslim family from bauchi state I KNOW you will be here declaring how great allah and the koran are. . .Take it or leave it you are a christian ONLY because of your surrounding culture and upbringing. . . .There are NO christians in Mecca and Madina why?

So yes, a born again Christian, by virtue of inward knowledge of regeneration also KNOWS that the Truth he has professed by mouth (not story) is not false but also a reality. So mazaje the naive atheist, go and sit down.

You have NO evidence to show that any of the stories you believe in is true. . . you have faith and you believe that is IT!. . . .you talk about truth as if you know anything about the truth. . .The FACT is you don't. . .by the way the truth does NOT need belief. . . .Mammals give birth to their young ones alive they do not lay eggs, that is the truth it does not need belief. . . . .You can not drive a car on an empty tank that is the truth it does not require belief. . .you believe that jesus is the son of god. . .That requires belief and that tells you that it is NOT a fact, its just what it is a belief system. . .

Abuzola:
Mazaje , show me where da Prophet kill, if he married a 9 yrs old what does that concern u, she loved him and he loved her. Sex slave does not exist in islam

Bukhari yol 3,Book46, No. 717

"Narrated Ibn Aun:
Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day



The practice of beheading non-Muslim captives extends back to the Prophet himself. Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.), the earliest biographer of Muhammad, is recorded as saying that the Prophet ordered the execution by decapitation of 700 men of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina for allegedly plotting against him.[21] Islamic leaders from Muhammad's time until today have followed his model. Examples of decapitation, of both the living and the dead, in Islamic history are myriad. Yusuf b. Tashfin (d. 1106) led the Al-Murabit (Almoravid) Empire to conquer from western Sahara to central Spain. After the battle of Zallaqa in 1086, he had 24,000 corpses of the defeated Castilians beheaded "and piled them up to make a sort of minaret for the muezzins who, standing on the piles of headless cadavers, sang the praises of Allah."[22] He then had the detached heads sent to all the major cities of North Africa and Spain as an example of Christian impotence. The Al-Murabits were conquered the following century by the Al-Muwahhids (Almohads), under whose rule Castilian Christian enemies were beheaded after any lost battles

http://www.meforum.org/713/beheading-in-the-name-of-islam

Following hadiths shows that prophet of islam and other jihadis used to capture women in raids and had sex with them (which is technically raping of helpless captives)

Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.

Funny. . .

Law prince:
The Bible is supposed to teach morals and discourage immoral acts. But what I see in the Bible is different.
Let's check out the following verses:

Genesis 9: 20-27: Noah (A Prophet of God) got drunk and stripped himself naked.

Genesis 19:30-38: Lot (A Prophet of God) had sexual intercourse with his daughter who became pregnant and had children for him.

Judges 16: 1-2: Samson slept with a harlot.

No wonder d Western world which derived it's morality from the Bible is so animalistic and uncultured dat in d United States of America, Statistics revealed that there is a rape every 5 minutes. Hmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Mohammed killed people, married a 6 year old girl against the wish of her parents and owned sex slaves. . .

Obalende:
He is Holy Ghost not holy ghost. write "holy ghost" at your own peril. The Bible is clear:

Tell the holy ghost to go and smoke marujuana. . . . . You think I am scared of that mythical being?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

[quote][/quote]Where you there when it all happened or did you just happen to find your self born into a family that accepts that story?

Obalende:
Jesus had no biological grand parents. He was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

Where you there when the holy ghost was conceiveing jesus? or did you just happen to be born into a family that accepts that story?

Obalende:
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Savior Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4

So it might actually be that you guys are acting to divine ordination. Lets speculate.

Non-believers being "condemned "  is only a christian meme to strengthen their own belief in their delusions which they have absolute no evidence for at all by the way, . . .  Of course you need to believe that those that do not share your delusions are "condemned" while you are "saved" how else will your believe in those myths you have been indoctrinated with since childhood survive?

That someone could truly not believe in what they have been conditioned and indoctrinated to believe in since childhood is a foreign idea to them I suppose, . . .  Keep on believing in your myths and fairy tales while hoping that does that do not share your personal delusions are condemned. . . . . .That belief will make you sleep at night I believe. . . .Keep on keeping on. . .

muhsin:
Warning: don't laugh in my language again. Hausas know nothing like atheism. Allah forbid!

I laugh in hausa, I am a hausa guy so I laugh in hausa because hausa is my language too. . . . .I just hope you don't come around me with your bomb tied around your waist. . .ka hakura ban da ta'adanchi. . . .

@ OP. . . I think the same thing can be said of the Islam section. . . Bash Islam section. . lol. . .

muhsin:
I too wonder.

The issue led me into more mire when I read a piece on Literary Theory. Can't remember the full name of that author only his first, i.e. Dante and the book's entitled Paradise. Christianity is utterly a funny 'religion'.

And islam is what? . . . . . I laugh in greek. . .

muhsin:
Well, let me admit; ain't a Qur'anic interpretor. Yet I can do a little search for the answers of your questions, as did davidylan above. But that I won't do as I know it'll help no matter out.

And, for your information, God, who you don't believe in, is never wrong. God is wholly perfect in everything. Its only human who is bound to make blunders. . .just like you are doing.

Lastly, I even wonder how I engaged you in such a discussion. Athiest are no more than animals. I prepare an animal to you, folks.

Ain't insulting/abusing you, wallahi. This is my firmest belief of you.

Cya

Atheist are less than animals yet your fellow muslims brothers are running away from each other in the middle east in droves, to come and live with us atheist in europe eh. . . .so much for atheist are less than animals. . . .You don't see atheist killing people, beheading them while chating atheism is great do you?. . . . .

muhsin:
You aren't welcome.

Islam only and only welcomes ppl of sense and wisdom.

Like Osama bin ladin and the members of the taliban that are busy beheading people while shouting allahu akbar? so much for sense and wisdom. . . . .

muhsin:
Has maza[i]re[/i] reverted to Christianity?

I want to revert back to Islam since I was once a muslim, I just want to know if you will give me my own share of virgins here, I don't want no heavely virgins, I want me some earthly beautiful hausa virgins. . . .

muhsin:
I, in return, laugh in Hausa. And conclude that you are maza[i]re[/i].

Read the OP's title.

Start a fresh thread for your 'questions'.

No need starting a new thread you can answer the questions here, I just want to know if man is created From clotted blood as the koran says a simple yes or no will do?

Evil verses in the koran. . . .

Muslims are allowed to lie in other to strengthen and spread islam. . . (surah 3:28, 16:106)

(surah 60:4) says followers of Allah will hate the disbelievers forever until they believe in Allah only.

(8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. God knows, but you know not" (2:216).

Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

Here Mohammed is trying to justify his brutal acts. He conveniently claims divine justification for the expression of his hatred by saying Allah himself revealed to him personally that people of other religions are evil and belong in Hell. Therefore, according to Mohammed any barbaric act against the unbelievers is completely justified.

Abuzola:
Lying Quran ? Await for your punishment

Who will punish me you, allah or mohammed?. . . I laugh in hausa . . .

muhsin:
I wasn't sure either his was copied and pasted; but yours. . .the telling is not necessary. I could have even give you the link.

I laugh in latin. . . why are you dwelling on the acting of copy and paste why not deal with the meat. . .

Lets begin, does the sun set in muddy waters as the word of allah says? YES OR NO?

Abuzola:
Are you fed up of your copy and paste ?

Are what I copied and pasted false?. . . . . . .stop dwelling on the fact that I copied and pasted. . .show how true the koranic assertions are simple. . . .

muhsin:
Or instead more gibberish from your copy and paste steriotypical postings habit. And no originality. SHAME!

I didn't see you try to refute any of the copy and paste. . . .The OP copied and pasted arguments that were not his own showing that the bible contains some scientific errors, I did not see you tell him that copying and pasting is a shamefull act. . .Is copying and pasting a shamefull act only when it exposes the scientific errors of the koran?

muhsin:
Thanks for evading a very straightfoward question.

Prophet Muhammad (saw) behead other ppl.? Lying is not good. . .is it?

Mts.

According to “Sirat A, Rasul” page 464):
“When Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe was surrendered (627 A.D.) unconditionally, the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches tying theirs both hands with their necks. This beheading went on until the apostle made an end of them. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. Apparently Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he (Muhammad) did not only take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states but also participated himself in beading of at least two of the leading Jews.

Abuzola:
@mazaje- when people are talking keep off, you are an atheist equivalent to an animal,

Shut up and be quite you slave of allah and mohammed. . . .Yes atheist are animals yet your fellow muslims are running in droves to come and to come and live with us in europe than live in their moslem lands. . , crazy people

you said even man was not created but evolved. Brain of animal

And your own koran says that man was created from mud eh? brain less than that of an animal. . .

Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot.