₦airaland Forum

wirinet:
Thanks Mazaje, you have summed up my thought of David. Because, i have not seen any post by both Muslims and atheist displaying any form of hatred towards Banon, even Banom had not indicated so. I think he need to see a shrink in order to dissipate some of that hatred for people with opposing views - Muslims and Atheists. Maybe after then will he learn to take life easy and acquire some sense of humour. His hatred is beclouding his judgments and thoughts.

When Toneyb discovered that I was once a christian on Nairaland and asked me what made me leave the belief system, Davidylan also came along and asked me what made me leave, Now that the same thing he asked me is being asked of Banom by Manmustwac he quickly tags it as "hate and having sleepless nights". Some times I wonder how he reasons . . . .

aletheia:
I could turn your argument back on you. Consider the implications of your assertion: for something to be true in your view, it would have to be verifiable or measurable by the means at your disposal. Suppose by some chance, I am transported back in time and stranded in 1000 AD. I tell the incredulous inhabitants of that era that the planet mars has two moons. While that would be true statement, it certainly wouldn't be verifiable in that era.

It can verified even in that era all you need to do is to present a space telescope and show it to them and they will verify it. Where is your evidence to verify that Jesus is the son of god that is presently sitting on the right hand of god or that mohammed is the last prophet of allah that ascended into heaven on a white horse? For your statement to be true at that time you will first of all have to explain what mars is and give them enough details about it before they can conclude if its true or false.

Thus that which is true need not be verifiable or reproducible by the means at your disposal.

You are just shifting your god into the realm of the unknown so that you can rationalize the hypothesis. 1000 AD People did not even know that there were planets orbiting the sun. In fact people do not even know what exactly the sun is because some of them were worshiping it at that time. Now we have people claiming that jesus christ who is the son of god is presently sitting at the right hand of god and jesus christ is god himself, such a statement requires belief because it can NEVER be verified.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God is a true statement which certainly is not verifiable by the means at the disposal of the empiricist. That it requires belief doesn't render it untrue.

Jesus christ is the son of god that is presently sitting on the right hand side of god is not a true statement because it can not be verified. It is only a claim. By the way the "truth" of your statement applies only to those that first of all have to accept the claim. It doesn't apply to those they do not accept it. Toneyb said that men can never give birth to children, That is a universal truth and it does not require belief and accepted world wide, The claim that jesus is the son of god is "true" only to the culture that buys into the claim and not true for another culture that does not buy into it. It is subjective. The truth is accepted universally. A car that runs on petrol can not travel 100km on an empty tank, that is a universal truth and does not require belief, Jesus is the son of god is a cultural/ regional belief.

That you disbelieve doesn't make it untrue, just as disbelief in 1000 AD doesn't alter the truth of the statement "Mars has two moons."

Mars has two moons and it does not require belief, back in AD 1000 if you make such a claim like mars has two moons you will first of all have to provide evidence to the people before they can believe or disbelief. saying that Jesus is the son of god that is sitting on the right hand of god without providing any evidence for the claim says it is not true? How do you know that for sure? Did god tell you personally that he has a son sitting on his right hand? Did the people that make the claim that jesus is the son of god presently sitting on the right hand of god provide any evidence to you? How do you know that jesus is the son of god? Did jesus personally tell you that himself or do you accept it because others said it? How do you know that the people that made that claim are not lying since jesus never wrote that he is the son of god and passed it unto others to read? Everything that jesus alleged said came from the writings of others how do you know that they were not lying? How do you know if jesus truly said he is the son of god since all what he supposedly said came from the writings of others? So how do you know that they are not lying considering the fact that they wrote decades after he died?

You said: "So I agree the truth does not require belief."
Juxtapose this: The truth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God does not require your belief.

This is not for me but let me come in here and say that The truth that Mohammed is the last Prophet of allah does not require your belief.

davidylan:
You people still do not understand what is driving your hate. It has nothing to do with banom's "over-night" reversal.

Can you show me one hateful post from any atheist towards banom? Since hate is what drives your life you automatically think that every body is like you or should behave like you, So far most of the atheist here have wished him all the best and some even encouraged him. Where did you get this stupid and ridiculous assertion of yours that people are now "hateful" of him? I know you need to feel that others think and behave like you but some times you have to read what you type before sounding like a senseless and ridiculous drunk.

Manmustwac said he was suprised at his conversion and asked why the change and all you did was tag it as hate? You are truly a deluded and hopeless bigot.

PapaBrowne:
Nairaland is actually a figment of our imagination. The Mazaje I assume to be responding to, could just be some alphabets on my computer screen. I have never seen him/her. The Mazaje that I see on my computer doesn't wear no clothes.

False Nairaland is a website that exist where people come and interact with each other, through posts. You do not see a person in the form of Mazaje all you see is a user name called Mazaje.

Try telling an old lady in the village about cyberspace and watch her reaction.
Sometimes, when I discuss about events & people on Nairaland in the presence of older folks, they always wonder what I'm talking about.

If only you will take them to a computer they will see what you are doing and have an Idea of what you are saying. Can you take me to the Kingdom of darkness so that I can see what is going on over there?

They give me that "where is Nairaland look?". They kind of wonder why I speak of it like like its a place. They don't just get it.

You can actually take them to a computer and show them where what Nairaland is and they will see it. Can you take any body to the mythical Kingdom of darkness and show them where it is to see?

Same way man. Same way that the uninitiated can't understand cyberspace is the same way that the uninitiated can understand  the supernatural.

The computer illiterate person can see a computer and see the nairaland page when it is displayed, Can you show or point to the Kingdom of darkness? Where exactly is it located?

One of the strongest qulaities of intelligence is an open mind. The more open your mind is, the more likely you are to learn about new things and new ways.

Open mind does not equate to accepting KNOWN myths as facts or realities.

Noetic - Passionate, Very opinionated, Intelligent great guy. . ._{You haven't said anything have you?} 

OLAADEGBU - Cool and Collected, Propagandist. _{Evolutionist and those that talks about billions of years are lost}

Toneyb - Fun, Rational, Intelligent, Frank and an outspoken atheist, great guy _{Where is the evidence}

Wirinet- Cool, Calm, Collected, Eloquent and intelligent - _{We love science  and reason}

Davidylan- Very Opinionated, hostile, Cocky, Christian apologist, Intelligent. _{You fools and sons of satan}

Deep Sight - A gentleman, Intelligent, Curious, Lawyer- _{You just conceded defeat}

Krayola- Open minded, Honest, articulate, fun. _{I am a student of religious studies}

Tudor- Intelligent, hostile, fun, happy go lucky. _{I laugh in tongues}

Pastor AIO - Intelligent, Esoteric, Vague. _Ifa

Jesoul - Respectful, Cool, Calm and Collected, affable. [s]Will love to have you for a wife now that I am a millionaire.
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Chrisbenogor - Cool, Calm, Honest, Great guy and Respectful

Bomolowo - Fun, Fun and More Fun.

A K O - Absent

Viaro- Intelligent, Evasive, Christian apologist.

Uplawal - Crazy Jihadist

DGreatRock - Random

Mama-gee (f) - Unfamiliar

Hubreality - Pastor Chris _{Kingdom secrets and blessings}

Kola Oloye - Opinionated, Christian apologist, Cool.

MrCrackles - Random

Osisi or Ohsisi - Bigot, Tribalist, Christian apologist, _{Mohammed is a child molestor}

Riff-Raff - Random

No2Atheism - Opinionated and strange. _{Jesus was a black man}

Kag- Intelligent, Rational and Cool.

Huxley - Intelligent, Rational and Cool _{Evolution is a scientific fact}

Okija-juju -Fun, Fun and more Fun

Abuzola - Jihad, Jihad and more Jihad. _{Koran is the greatest miracle on earth}

Kunleoshob-  Cool, open minded Rational and Affable _{Nigerian pastors are all criminals}

Tpia - Random, Fiery and One liners _{Your mother is a bitch}

Obalende - unfamiliar

Banom - Funny, Affable, Cool and Fiery

Olabowale - Apologist, Tribalist, Cool, Calm and Respectful

Atheists - Random

Chukwudi44 - Random

Manmustwac - Fun, Fun and more Fun

Ogaga4Luv - Freak, Crazy and Bizarre _{All hail satan}

Jagunlabi - Opinionated and vague

Mushin- Very Cool, Calm and Respectful _{May allah have mercy on you guys and open your eyes}

Bobbyaf - Vague

May Kelly - Very  very strange  and bizarre,

SeanT21 - Unfamiliar

Mavenbox - Unfamiliar

Horus - Strange, Random _{White people are evil}

PapaBrowne:
Post by Mazaje
Many folks have the assumption that denying the existence of the supernatural equates to some form of intelligence

Where did I insinuate that in my post to neotic?

You talk about cyberspace [/b]as a place that really exists right? All I want you to do is to describe how [b]cyberspace(Nairaland, Facebook, et al) looks like and how the people that reside in it look like. Isn't it funny that you keep talking about a place you've never visited, never seen, a place you cannot even describe . . . . . . .

I don't know weather to laugh or cry at your very ridiculous analogy. When did I talk about any cyberspace at all? I can fully describe how nairaland and face book look like. Let me describe to you how nairaland looks like. The website has colours like, blue and grey, You can see alphabetical characters, and some images when you visit the site, you can see people's user names. People do not reside on nairaland. Pls describe to me how the mythical kingdom of darkness looks like, who are the people that reside there, how do they look and what is their estimated population.    

The same way you assume  the kingdom of darkness noetic2 refers to is a figment of her imagination, is the same way Nairaland is a figment of your imagination.

Nairaland is not a figment of my imagination because I can actually come here and interact with you and other people, How does one interact with the people that live in this mythical kingdom of darkness? What type of clothes do they wear in that kingdom and where is the kingdom located?

My best posters for the year are

Toneyb, Wirinet,Tudor, Huxley, Kag and Krayola - These guys are just too good. 

Viaro, Pastor AIO, Noetic, Davidylan, Jesoul, KunleOshob, Oladegbuu- Our Christian apologist friends on the other end that make this place worth visiting.

Mushin, Olabs, and Oyb- Rational Muslims apologist with great sense of humor as already pointed out by Toneyb.

Deepsight - Love his approach and style.

Banom- Love his sense of humor and sincerity, great guy.

Kay 17:
do you know or you believe that God exists? facts are known not believed because doubt is inherent in every belief. in all religions, a theist is not given an opportunity explore other religions or beliefs but rather conditioned to accept that particular religion. that why a shi'ite child would flog himself to near death during the mourning of the massacre of Mohammed's grandson husayn . someone he has never known not to speak an intimate relationship. religions distort reality. atheist assertion is based on man's vast base of scientific knowledge not on belief or philosophy. have tried other religions?

The problem with the religionist is that they go around bandying their stories, myths and beliefs as facts or "truths" when they are not. The truth is the truth and it does NOT require belief at all. . . .

noetic15:
blah blah blah . ,  . , same old mazaje 

You talked about the kingdom of darkness as a place that exist right? All I want you to do is describe how the place looks like and how the people that reside in it look like, isn't it funny that you keep talking about a place you have never visited, never seen, a place you can not even describe. . . .yet you keep bandying this same mythical information as facts

this must be the dumbest post i read today

On this I 100% agree with you. . . .

Obalende:
Except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone but if it die it beareth much fruit.

What is the fruit? It is only known by the secret counsel of the Trinity. this is an example of such higher purpose.

Does the word secret counsel of the trinity exist in your bible?. . . . . .

davidylan:
There is no recorded history of Abraham ever performing a hajj let alone stoning the devil.

I know. . .I said the tradition according to moslems began during the time of Ibrahim. . .

noetic15:
thanks . . ,  . u too enjoy your DENIAL while it lasts 

Do you know what a myth is neotic? You keep on bandying this kingdom of darkness myth. . . Where is this kingdom of darkness?. . .Is it a place? Who are those that reside in that kingdom and how can I see them? Since you claim to know pls can you help me and show me what that kingdom is located?

davidylan:
I hope mazaje is aware that such a thing isnt prescribed in the quran but is found in the hadiths.

Are you sure. . .the tradition and the basis of performing the hajj stretches back to the time of Ibrahim according to the moslems and that point was noted by Olabs. . . .The story of Ibrahim which is the basis for the entire hajj is found in the koran not the hadith. . . . . .

noetic15:
Mazaje, there is nothing in this passage that suggests that God addressed the people openly.
what then would be the function of the priest and judges?

Is that so? Did The bible God not know about the function of the priest when he addressed the public through a public address during the baptism of Jesus?

davidylan:
Oh dear . . . where does one begin? Judah and Simeon were 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob . . . they were part of the original Israelites who went down into Egypt to live with Joseph. After Joseph's death (we assume Judah and Simeon who were far older than Joseph would have died by now), the Isrealites became slaves to Egypt for over 450 yrs . . . add another 40 yrs in the wilderness before Joshua took over as the leader of Israel.

How is it possible that Judah and Simeon (who would have been over 500 yrs old by now!) were the 2 whom God was sending to battle the Canaanites? Seriously do these folks READ THE BIBLE BEFORE THEY EJACULATE THEIR RIDICULOUS COMMENTS?

Lets read further down Judges 1 . . .

8 Now the children of Judah had fought against Jerusalem, and had taken it, and smitten it with the edge of the sword, and set the city on fire. 9 And afterward the children of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites, that dwelt in the mountain, and in the south, and in the valley.

TWICE in verses 8 and 9, the author of Judges tries to clarify that it was NOT Judah the individual doing the fighting but his descendants. Further down we also see lands captured by the descendants of Jacob, brothers to Judah and Simeon.

Verse 22 - House of Joseph
Verse 30 - Zebulun
Verse 31 - Asher . . .

No seriously i give up. This has got to be a case of either intellectual incompetence or deliberate dishonesty.

No it DOES NOT.

It is clearly an allegory, even a fool knows Judah could not have lived for over 500 yrs and gone to war single-handedly to drive out the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

As regards your pointless nonsense i put in highlights . . . please read Exodus 19 rather than making a fool of yourself.

I was just trying to make a simple point. Here is a clearer translation of the passage. . .

Jdg 1:1 After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?"
Jdg 1:2 The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land."
Jdg 1:3 The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah.
Jdg 1:4 When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek.

This translation from the NLT settles it. . . .The people of Israel asked Yahweh which tribe to go and fight against the Canaanites and he told them that the tribe of Judah was to go. . . .The people asked him according to the text and he answered them. . . How then did he answer them if not through a public address. . .The passages does not say a priest or a prophet was involved. . . .It says the people asked and yahweh answered. . . .

noetic15:
Considering that judea was the son of Jacob. . .is it not logical to deduce that the judea in the passage above was not an individual?

Exactly the point I was making. . .Why all the fuse. . here is the text again. . .

Jdg 1:1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?"

Jdg 1:2 The LORD answered, "Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands."

noetic15:
blah blah blah  . . . . .no matter what u say, the kingdom of darkness just lost another member. . banom is in the light.
the door is still open for u. . .lol

I understand the need for you to be happy about these things. . .I personally do not care at all. . . If you read my statement to him I truly wished him all the best. . . .As regards to this mythical kingdom of darkness you are talkaing about all I can say is enjoy the delusion while it last

davidylan:
Same old stupid conclusions . . . lets use a few examples from the same chapter in Judges . . .

Judges 1: 2 And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand. 3 And Judah said unto Simeon his brother, Come up with me into my lot, that we may fight against the Canaanites; and I likewise will go with thee into thy lot. So Simeon went with him.

On face value, or reasoning like Mazaje . . . it would seem God was specifically requesting Judah (as an individual) to go fight the Canaanites. Judah then requests the help of his brother Simeon. The problem though is that by this time, both Judah and Simeon had long died! It would also be meaningless to assume that 2 men alone went off to fight an entire army of Canaanites!

See you are adding to the text and saying what it does NOT say in other to rationalize the story. Where does it say in the text that Judah and Simeon were long dead? What do you mean by it would be meaningless to assume that two people alone fought an army of canaanites, I thought samson killed lost of men with only a piece of bone ? The text says that they went and killed the others and they had victory over them because yahweh had already promised them victory. It doesnt talk about them being long dead does it?

Jdg 1:3 And Judah said unto Simeon his brother, Come up with me into my lot, that we may fight against the Canaanites; and I likewise will go with thee into thy lot. So Simeon went with him.
Jdg 1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.

Infact rather than a request to a person called Judah . . . God was asking the men of the lineage of Judah to war and they in turn requested the company of the tribe of Simeon.

This supports what I said that Yahweh addressed them publicly. . . .

This is just an example to show that some things in the bible are allegorical and are not to be taken literarily. God spoke to the Jews primarily through prophets and Judges.

You choose to read it as an allegory another christian might not read it as that. By the way what is the basis for accepting a story as an allegory? The text does not give any indication as to that. The same bible also said that Yahweh addressed the Jews together at mount Sinai through a public address. . . .

Witch burning in Africa. . . .

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davidylan:
Again this is NOT true. Judges 1:1-2 does NOT in any way make the claim that God was addressing ALL of Israel in a public speech. This is the same old revisionist rewriting of the bible to force an atheist point of view.

Same old worn out apologies. . . .

Jdg 1:1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?"

Jdg 1:2 The LORD answered, "Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands."

Its is very clear from the text that the Israelites asked their god in a group and he answered them. . . .since you were there when the event happened I will like you to tell us how he answered them if not through a public address. . . .

aletheia:
bla, bla and more bla from you. Half-truths couched in tendentious sentences.
Like I said earlier if you are going to base your answers on the bible, at least get it right? How can you critique a book that you repeatedly demonstrate abysmal knowledge of? God did not address all the people living in Israel (which would be the geographic location) through a public speech. He addressed the people assembled at Mount Sinai, which is outside the borders of Israel. If you cannot truthfully present facts you disagree with, how can we be such that you are being honest in all your replies?

This was not directed at me but there are quite a number of places where yahweh addressed the people of Israel through a public speech. Yahweh is said to have addressed the jews at mount Sinai so what difference does it make?

Jdg 1:1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?"

Jdg 1:2 The LORD answered, "Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands."

olabowale:
@mazaje and mrpresident: As bad as Mazaje's question is, he is excused because of his ignorance, but mrpresident cant be excused because he affirmed his ignorance!
Mazaje, if you know anything about Islam, the stoning and indeed the whole of hajj, except Arafat, everything is in memory of Ibrahim (AS), his son Ismail (AS) and Wife Hajar.

Now the stoning is exactly what the parents did, when Ismail was being led to slaughter, in fulfilment of the dream of Ibrahim (AS). Ibrahim repelled the deil who was trying to talk him out of carrying out the slaughter. When the devil knew he wasnt getting anywhere, he turned to Hajar, thinking that he will break her will, the nurturing of mother may kick in. To the devils demise he was stoned just as well to repel his evil counsel just as well. Oh, there is no devil in the Kaaba, and if there is, dont you think that will be the place they will be stoning? This is why you are ignorant.

As to you mrpresient, it would have been better if you play the part of an ignorant. But your arrogance will not allow you to be normal human, show that there is weakness in your Islamic knowledge; you dont know everything! There is nothing lunacy about what the Muslim does when the devil is stoned. The other is the reverse; consciousness in clear conscience that the devil is not an ally. Let me help you MrPresident, if you stone a devil are you like him, unless you stone those who are your lovers? Do you? If a woman wants to perform illegal sex with you and you repel her, are you like her or are you in the same moral standing? You need to start thinking before you type, unless you are suffering from Lunacy and par with retard!

Olabs and his explanations. . . .Me thinks shaitan should have been dead by now with all these stones being thrown at him from millions of moslems year in year out. . . . Mohammed was truly a clever guy for inventing this scheme. . . .

What is the purpose of the moslem's stoning the devil(shaitan) during the hajj? Does the moslem devil(shaitan) reside inside the ka'aba?

I bet the dead pilgrim is now in aljanah having mindless sex with beautiful virgins all over the place and drinking wine from the rivers of wine that abound in allah's aljanah. . . .that is after he must have passed through the complusury brief stay in hell fire that was promised every moslem. . I laugh in arabic. . .

wirinet:
Noetic, you started again, arguing blindly and illogically just to justify your position. Someone says he sees blank, you insist he must mean black.

What is within the context of this thread that can equate renounce with denounce? I feel it is attitude like this that make so many people gullible and open to exploitation, reinterpreting other peoples writings.

I have asked some questions of Banom's atheist credentials, like when did he become an atheist how long.? So Let him answer for himself.

How have i shown that whatever Banom believes is my concern. Had i ever attempted to convert him into atheism? It is you people that is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I had never known banom Atheist views, so questioning them with proofs of his previous posts now constitute a "big blow" to you

He desperately needs to believe it is a "big blow to you" so that his belief in his delusions can be sustained.

davidylan:
Because stupid[b], i dont see any of you fools bawling on the islamic threads about allah's existence or not[/b]. I dont see any of you foaming in the mouth trying to explain why Ifa doesnt exist. Because i notice the only religious book you all deal with is the bible . . .

The same old deluded lies. . . . .

0hsisi:
Sharrap already

Be quite thou deluded woman. . . . .

Why didn't you question his reasons for being an atheist when he was one?

To my understanding he was never an atheist you can read his previous posts they are there for you to read he was more angry with the so called men of god and sometimes use to question the veracity of the bible.

Who are you to determine why people believe what they choose to believe or lack of belief

Again shut up and be quite. . . . Is this not the same fool that is ALWAYS on the Islamic section constantly questioning the moslems and what they believe? I can't believe you are asking me this question since that is what you do ALL the time on the Islamic section.

The guy says he has weighed atheism in the balance and found it wanting and has hereby thrashed it and rededicated his life to Christ and you want to kill yourself.
get thee behind him thou son of lucifer!

I can now conclude that you are a senseless fool, did you bother to read my post at all or where you too much in a hurry to sound stupid as you always do all the time? Did you not read where I ENCOURAGED him to keep up with his new faith and wished him well? Where did this Foolish fool get the Idea that I was ''trying to kill my self'' . . . .

banom:
Well not just because of his death, but in the manner in which he died, do you know that we did not bury my fathers real body ? that was what made me to hate God, despite all my daddy did for their church.

Again sorry for your lost but that is NOT a reason to become an atheist. . . .People face a lot of tragedy ALL the time. . .There are MANY stories of christian missionaries who died in ghastly motor accidents on their way to evangelize and were burnt beyond recognition all over the internet. . .Atheism is not being a state of anger with god/gods but a lack of belief in god/gods. . .Keep up your new faith if that will give you the happiness you need. . . . I wish you all the best. . . . .

banom:
Ogaga you are sounding too funny today,  what confusion are you talking about ? and what pressure is it that  could be frustrating me to push me back to God,  perhaps that is yoUr own meaning to it , but not  realLy the truth,  It was actualLy confusion and anger of my fathers death that Pushed me into Atheism, but i regret it, i am back To God now and will not reverse till eternity , I am now a man of faith.

So you became an atheist because you were angry your father died? . . . Sorry for your loss but that is a very very silly and senseless reason for one to become an atheist. . . Every body must die no?

noetic15:
you dont need salvation. . . . .HELL suits and fits u perfectly. . .  ,  why change your destiny? 

Do you have any evidence for this mythical hell? . . . .Heaven and hell both have an apparent straightforward purpose, and that is to motivate people to believe, keep believing and to evangelize to "save" other people according to the religion they subscribe to(Christianity or Islam). It is the carrot-and-stick method of persuasion. The carrot and stick are only imagined, but the proposed reward and punishment are both extreme enough to compensate for the lack of evidence and sensibility of the myth.