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These pictures are fraudulent. . .The are photoshopped images, . . . Their origin is from a Russian sites which makes it a bit hard to find the originals. . . . . . But i can show that the skull in the images below is both times the same. Clear indication of manipulation. . . You guys should learn to stop lying for jesus. . .

www.nairaland.com/attachments/192123_topsecret2_jpg0f4eb39bfc3bafff9618c10a47aa721c

https://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii71/Chemobile/Skulls.gif

Deepsight when you are in a hole stop digging. . . . . .

All these endless claims about the mythical heaven that christians(or moslems) themselves have demonstrated they do not truly believe in by their actions when faced with death. . . . . The TRUTH is that christians dont REALLY believe that they will go to heaven when they die and I mean it. . . . .I have been around christians in a life and death situation and their reaction when faced with death says they do not believe in their mythical heaven at all. . . .My mum is a fundamentalist end of day enthusiast who believe that jesus will come flying in the sky tommorow and take her to the mythical heaven. . .I remember when we were flying from lagos to abuja on my last visit to naija and the plane suddenly began to shake in the air. . .the very scary look on her face says she is just fooling her self about all her end of days talk. . . .she was praying and calling on her god to help us and take charge of the plane and not to allow it crash she was more scared than I was. . . .instead of feeling happy that she was going to leave this "sinful and corrupt earth" which she claims she so much despises and loves to trash all the time as a place of endless evil and no good and go to be with her "heavenly father" in the mythical heaven that is without evil, pain and suffering according to the myth. . . . she was praying to god to help her and spare her life so that she can continue to live the the world she is claims she dislikes and is always complaing is full of evil of no good. . . . .

Why is it that christians are always talking about heaven, how it is a lovely place and how they will all love to go there but you never hear them say things like" ohh god I am about to receive eternal life please accept me as I come to join you in heaven" when they come face to face with death? You never hear them say "ohh jesus thank you for taking my life and recieve me as I come to join you in heaven" when they are faced with a life or death situation, instead you hear them screaming and shouting for their god to come and save their lives and allow them to continue to live on earth, If christians TRULY believe in this mythical heaven why is it that they do not want to die and go there, why do they run away from death or pray to their imaginary god to help them and save their lives when they are faced with death?. . . . I once told our heaven enthusaist(OLADEGBUU) that he will die and go to heaven and he began shouting that he shall not die but live to deaclear the glory of his god . . . .The truth is that no matter how much the lie to themselves and pretend all the time they VERY much know that this life is all that they have and the rest is just a baseless feel good stories and belief that has no basis in reality. . . . . . . .

Afam:
This reproduced article is not a proof that juju exist but to show our own people who easily label Nigerians, Africans and the Blacks as people who subscribe to such things forgetting that Europeans, Whites etc also do so.

It seems you have are yet to understand what some of us are saying. . . .The fact that you believe something to be true does not make it true. . . . . A lot of Nigerians believe that human body can be turned into crispy note but that does not make that belief to be true. . . I live in Europe and I KNOW that those that belief in the myth of witches and wizards are considred to be a crazy fringe. . . . .

wirinet:
Mr Olabowale, The word Karma was an eastern idea - both Hinduism and Buddhism, but the concept is a universal concept. It was incorporated into Christianity (although it was not called Karma), but the new testament contains the verse " You shall reap what you sow". That is Karma.

Besides Christianity was formulated from a fusion of Roman Pagan beliefs, Judaism and a some middle eastern and far eastern doctrines. Meanwhile Islam is just Plagiarism of Christianity, it was an opposition to Christianity, to stop the Europeans from conquering and colonizing the middle east. Their holy book the Koran depends on the assumption that you must have read the bible, because it would be difficult to understand it without having a background information from the bible. In fact the practice of Islam today was very similar to the Early Catholic Church with the exception of Idols, images and saints. The rights were very similar, Bowing and Kneeling on the floor (there were not chairs then), counting of Rosary, Lent (ramadan), even the way the women dress were similar.

You have very well sumed it up. . . .

Afam:
While we are still at it, I heard on radio that a witch was contracted to inflict injury on Christian Ronaldo of Brazil. Came into the office and did a search and found this.

This is not Nigeria, this is not Africa. This happened in Europe where physics and science are well respected.

I LOL after reading this post. . . .Are you now trying to say that the laws of physic were suspended because Ronaldo got injured?. . . . .A so called witch came out and made a claim that he casted a magic spell on him AFTER he got injured for reasons best known to the magician. . . . .No law of physics was suspended here because Ronaldo was injured DURING a foot ball match as a result of contact. . . . .Since the magiccian claims his aim was to make sure that he ends Ronaldo's career why not cast a spell and make his legs disappear? Why depend on natural events like injury through contact or a car accident to achieve his goals?

If Ronaldo comes recovers from his present injury and does not get injured again all through the season the same magician will come up with other funny thoeries or explanation as to why his predictions or magic failed. . . . These people are fraudulent. . . . .

Obalende:
u say you are based in Finland - your behavior is not european - i have politely asked you to not post into an uninvited thread which was clearly spelt out so that genuine christian discussions can be carried out peacefully. I specifically referenced you in the original post to steer clear knowing from your posts the venom of your anti christian posts. PLEASE.

Ok I am out enjoy your thread. . . .bye. . . .

Obalende:
mazaje, you have won - please now stop posting so my topic can be addressed. thanks.

Have you reported me to yahweh already?

What is this talk about if good unbelievers will go to heaven? The TRUTH is that christians dont REALLY believe that they will go to heaven when they die and I mean it. . . . .I have been around christians in a life and death situation and their reaction when faced with death says they do not believe in their mythical heaven at all. . . .My mum is a fundamentalist end of day enthusiast who believe that jesus will come flying in the sky tommorow and take her to the mythical heaven. . .I remember when we were flying from lagos to abuja on my last visit to naija and the plane suddenly began to shake in the air. . .the very scary look on her face says she is just fooling her self about all her end of days talk . . .she was praying and calling on god to help us and take charge of the plane and not to allow it crash. . . .instead of feeling happy that she was going to leave this sinful and corrupt earth which she claims she so much despises and loves to trash all the time as a place of endless evil and no good and go to be with he lovely heavenly makes in the magical heaven that is without evil, pain and suffering. . . .instead she was praying to god to help her and spare her life so that she can continue to live the the world she is always complaing is full of evil of no good. . . . .

Why is it that christians are always talking about heaven, how it is lovely and how they will love to go there but you never hear them say things like" ohh god I am about to receive eternal life please accept me as I come to join you in heaven" when they come face to face with death? You never hear them say "ohh jesus thank you for taking my life and recieve me as I come to join you in heaven" when they are faced with a life or death situation, instead you hear them screaming and shouting for their god to come and save their lives and allow them to continue to live on earth. . . . I once told our heaven enthusaist(OLADEGBUU) that he will die and go to heaven and he began shouting that he shall not die but live to deaclear the glory of his god . . . .The truth is that no matter how much the lie to themselves and pretend all the time they VERY much know that this life is all that they have and the rest is just a baseless belief that has no basis in reality. . . . . . . .

Abuzola:
It is really baffling to me to see people with wisdom worship a God that once die on the cross of calvary.

Can a true God die ? My God never die

Your god never died because he has never existed in the first place if he ever did he would also have died. . .

Obalende:
@duduspace
the atheists do not allow Christians to debate their own religion and distract good Christian discussions.
"He that blasphemeth the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven in this age nor in the age to come"
this is what atheists continue to do on christian threads; I claim no divinity but what I have said is Biblical and God is the Judge - I am just warning atheists of possible danger. I dont like seeing stuff like what mazaje has just posted on my thread (I could not even read it - its blashemy) but thats by the way.

Is this a blasphemy challenge or what? OK I blaspheme against the holy ghost and all the gods in the trinity. . .next. . .

RichyBlacK:
Let me post a more detailed version for you

No be small thing. . . .

RichyBlacK:
naijaking1,

Good to see that you're still taking out time to educate the Nigerian youths about this grand fraud called juju. My hope is that more Nigerians will embrace science and technology and stop believing that juju can fix bad roads or guarantee regular power supply.

I know of a crisis that broke out once in bauchi state because of hear say stories about a guy that was alleged to have stolen somebody's privates in bauchi state. . . . .even the eye witness all had very very different accounts of what happened. . . .different stories were just going around in the same area and the mob mentality that people decided to use did not even allow the  alleged "culprit" to explain himself at all. . . every body wanted to kill him and before you knew it his hausa brothers were trying to turn it into a religious crisis. . . . Na wah for us ohh. . . . .

RichyBlacK:

Nigerian burns £1.2m in bizarre ritual

A Nigerian official obsessed with witchcraft burned £1.2 million of stolen public money and smeared the ashes over his naked body in a bizarre ritual, police said.

By Mike Pflanz in Nairobi
Last Updated: 8:45AM BST 22 Aug 2008

Sam Edem, chairman of the Niger Delta Development Commission, is accused of stealing a total of £3.4 million in public money to pay a witchdoctor to cast "juju" spells to secure business contracts and to kill a powerful rival at work.

Part of the black magic reportedly involved Mr Edem burning £1.2 million in cash and then smearing the ashes over his naked body in a cemetery in the middle of the night in a "fortification" ritual.

Mr Edem, who denies the allegations, has been formally charged with theft and criminal conspiracy at the High Court in the capital, Abuja.

He initiated the police investigation himself when he complained that the self-proclaimed sorcerer, Perekabowei Ogah, had tried to swindle him out of millions of pounds and was acting on behalf of political rivals.

But detectives became suspicious when Mr Edem allegedly could not account for how he earned the money in the first place. His lawyers said it was donated by well-wishers to fund an election attempt.

"We believe that this is money from the Nigerian government, money that should have been used to develop the Niger Delta," said Ali Amodu, the police commissioner in Abuja.

The Niger Delta Development Commission was set up to channel money that the federal government earns from crude oil sales back to the millions who live in poverty in the country's oil-producing region.

Despite initial support from the public, its reputation was quickly tarnished by persistent reports that it achieved little and that senior members of staff were stealing funds.

The area has been plagued by an increasingly violent rebellion spearheaded by militants who say they are fighting for a greater share of oil wealth to the Delta.

But many of the armed gangs are little more than criminals extorting money through kidnappings, often with the tacit support of local politicians, it has been claimed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl, re-ritual.html

What is this :

Afam:
@all those that have claimed that juju doesn't work otherwise Africans would have been very rich I have this to state - juju as we know it is not only practiced by Africans. This is basic, highly simplistic and common sense position for an educated person to miss.

This has nothing to do with the veracity of juju claims at all. . .juju claims it can make people rich but yet the people that believe in it and practice it the most remain the poorest people on the surface of the planet. . .Indains also believe in juju but even their govenment is now teaching and trying toexplain to people that most of the claims are fruadulent. . . . their government is also trying to expose the porponents of juju. . .

The crackdown on spiritual leaders and "faith healers" began last month after police arrested a Hindu godman, Amritha Chaithanya alias Santosh Madhavan, on fraud cases, and for allegedly amassing illegal wealth. Police also allegedly recovered pornographic CDs from lockers in his home showing sexually indecent acts with minor girls.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080609/christians-caught-up-in-crackdown-on-hindu-faith-healers/index.html#

India: High Court orders crack down on miracle healers. . . .

Bad times may be coming for the tantriks (black magicians) and miracle healers of New Delhi. They could be forced to stop their lucrative business or to go underground.

An order of the Delhi High Court from 30 April 2003 has laid the state government of Delhi under the obligation to watch out for men and women, who claim to have miraculous healing powers, and put a stop to their promises and practicesPrompted by a Public Interest Litigation filed by Salek Chand Jain, the High Court has blown the dust off the Drugs and Magic Remedies Objectionable Advertisements Act, 1954, which states that promising anybody magic solutions for his problems or magic cures of his diseases is a punishable act. No matter, if committed in newspaper advertisements, on sign boards, wall paintings or just by spreading the word, the fraudulent claimant can be fined and imprisoned for six months or, in case of repetition, one year. The High Court has asked the government to act on the base of addresses and phone numbers given in advertisements and crack down on spiritual frauds. There are at least 200 self-styled miracle healers operating in Delhi and luring their victims with advertisements and wall paintings.


http://www.rationalistinternational.net/archive/en/rationalist_2003/108.htm#2

The Indain government has the guts to do something that our government dare not do that is telling the people the truth about all these fraudulent activities some people engage in called juju. . . . there is nothing truthful about it. . . it is all a fraud, if it were not a fraud the indain governmet will not launch a crack down on those that engage in it. . .if it were true those that engage in it will use their juju powers to fight back against the indain government instead of running away of changing location. . . .

This forum is not an alternative to regular education.

In conclusion, whether juju works or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether some of you agree or not. This is one fact that makes some arguments a complete waste of time especially when people have minds that are not yet trained to accommodate views and opinions that may seem strange to them.

This has nothing to do with the fact that juju is a fraud that deserves to be called out for what it is. . . .calling something what it really is, is not the same thing as refusing to accept it. . . . . . there are some people that dislike it when you say that alqeada is a terrorist organization. . . but that will never stop people from pointing that fact. . .saying that alqeada is a terrorist organization does not make you a close minded person. . . .

naijaking1:
Juju, religious belief, and magic are not limited to Africans. Infact white people, Asians, and American know about these principles, but they also know about their practical limitations. The difference in Africa is that most of us don't seem to know the limitations of these belief system.

Belief in juju is only a product of indoctrination and culture. . . . nothing more. . . . Most people obey the and believe in what their culture believes in and teaches them regardless of how false it is. . . . all juju claims are false and lack any basis in reality. . . .In general, people will believe in the traditional meme of their surrounding environment. . . .

Obalende:
no mazaje, abozulu, etc

Any atheist post will incur divine curses upon the person

Why has my post been deleted?  I say Bleep all the gods in the trinity(jesus, yahweh, holy ghost abi na holy spirit)I urge you to go and report me to yahweh and tell him to curse me for posting on this thread. . .In fact want yahweh, to come and kill me with  his sword and soak his cloth with my blood they way he killed his enemies and soaked his cloth with their blood in the bible. . . .

All juju claims are fraudulent. . . .it seems so many people really believe what the see in the Nigeria home movies that have NO basis in reality(those movies are supposed to be work of fiction by the way). . . juju is nothing but a cultural thing and exist ONLY in cultures that believe in the myth and give it power and credibility. . . .Any body that has the power to deflect bullets will become richer than bill gates. . . .if human sacrifice makes people rich then africans should be the richest people on the planet. . . .if juju really works then Nigerians should not be complaining about power cuts, low life expectancy, very high rate of road accidents and the very many problems we have in our nation. . .Juju is useless and should be relegated to the history books the way Europeans have relegated the myth of witches and wizards into their history books. . . .

xidos:
hahahaaaaa

thanks but u make me laf, i didnt quote the above verses to poke u but to make an analysis of how many religion have spoken about athiest/evolution, for or against, it like the bible which is against it.

Where did your bible speak about evolution? Hope you know that a lot of christians are now trying to claim that evolution agress with the biblical creation account?

but since the verse pricks your conscience, i will answer u first and continue my search.

How can the verse prick my conscience? . . . .The verse lied when it says only foos disbelieve in the biblegod and they do no god and that statement is a lie because I know a lot of fools that believe in the biblegod and they also do no good at all. . .

u mean sweden,finland, denmark or where?
however, note the word atheistic country u use. Nigeria in which u refer to is not a just a christian country but a multi-religious belief country where we have christians, muslim, pagan, athiest etc who believe in different deities
but for us christians (all over the world), our hope aint in the border of a country in which u boast about but beyond the imagination is a country unseen, untouchable kingdom for which we live as righteous not just to inherit such but as christian its our lifestyle whcih is lived from and the bible is our yardstick. moreover, do u think that belief in God should make me
RICHER, oh what? for me, contentment is great gain, i didnt bring anything neither will i take anything when am ready to leave this world!

Hope your know that there is no universally accepted form of christianity. . . .christianity has no universally accepted meaning and doctorine. . . it is all about personal interpretation and opinion nothing more. . . .there is nothing like christians all over the world because the world christians has no universally accepted meaning and doctorine. . . .christianity varies from place to place and from culture to culture. . . .

well my bible cant lie to me instead it gives me hope! just becos u live as u please does it make u have a good life? why is there a higher rate of sucide rate? at least living without God "your good life" should be ok but no - suicide rate is great a sign of delusion and hopelessness!

You first of all have to provide some evidence to show that the sucide rate amongst those that believe in god is less than those that do not believe in god. . . .

well the bible u think is lying to me hear what it says

32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak
this to your shame.

What is this are you now trying to show me that your god is a militant that fights with men and beast or what?. . .

however, i congratulate the above countries hope they try keeping it after this post! empires have come and gone! but the church Jesus died for (not some religious org or body) stands!

The last time i checked there are over 33,000 different sects of christianity each fighting and castigating each other so I do not know what you are trying to say here. . .

so what if he has charity Organization, does it mean he is the only charity org? there are also christian charity org that are still blessing lives and that reason in itself is nothing and if u say he is good, why the antitrust issue in the court that ms a company owned by ya atheist has being trying to prevent others? my blessed Jesus Christ said no one is good but God!

Your bible lied that those that do not believe in the god it is selling do no good. . . .

finally, the word corrupt in context, used in that verse means decay, depravity not dishonesty for personal gain.

[size=15pt]But what is most important is this, have u ever broken the following commandments?
then lets discuss
Have u called on the name of God in vain?
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What is this?

noetic15:
This post clearly exposes mazaje's ignorance:
I laugh in tongues

. . . .I laugh in Arabic. . . . .

@Deep Sight

Noetic is not the person that wrote that christians alone will go to the mythical heaven. . . . .that is what the writers of the bible wrote down. . . .so what exactly is the point you are trying to make

noetic15:
I ask questions simply to reveal the ignorance of the other person

Na today. . . .the only thing is that you only end up revealing your own ignorance instead. . . .

Why all the brouhaha about this mythical heaven that exist only on the pages of a book(bible) and in the imaginations of people. . . .OK let us go through the bible and see how it describes heaven. . . .

"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, WHICH WAS, AND IS , AND IS TO COME." (Revelation 4:6-

Here we have a rare description of heaven where it appears frightening with very strange beasts. It is very clear that one cannot help to think that it seems more a description of  the mythical hell than a  the mythical heaven. . . .

"And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." (Revelation 5:6)

How can this description of heaven inspire an image of a peaceful afterlife with all these ghastly beasts and spirits about?

noetic15:
is this an argument?
what do understand by the word "SON" as used in the bible?

This is why I like neotic always evasive and always answering questions with questions. . . . .

xidos:
hello

i was reading thru a discussion between christians and athiest. and i observed that the bible spoke about "those that say there is no God".
for instance,

Ps 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God . They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
KJV

You see your bible is lying to you. . . .Take a look around you and see weather those that believe in a god are more moral or less corrupt than those that do not belielive in god. . . .

I live in atheist country where about 90 percent of the people are atheist. . . .the same country is about 100 times less corrupt than Nigeria where over 90 percent of the people believe in god. . . . .The person that runs the biggest charity organization in the world today(Bill Gates) is an atheist. . . .so why does your bible keep telling you lies

Bolarge:
Akala is both cursed and a curse.

Deep Sight:
Nope!^^^ You both have not grasped that the cosmological argument is about finite things orthings that have a beginning. What's the big bang, if not a beginning?

Ta ta. . .

That because you assume that the big bang is true. . . .scientist have explained the big bang and they do not include your nameless god as the force responsible for the expansion. . . .

Deep Sight:
O give me a break! How can anybody verify a dream, when it occurs within the consciousness of the dreamer only? ? ?

Are you suggesting to me that we cannot logically perceive the existence of things that cannot be scientifically seen?

That is exactly why i asked you about love!

I said - have you ever loved before? I am guessing you have. Oya, bring me the scientific proof for your love. Show us where it was empirically verified.

I just hope you know that science also includes observation. . . .A mothers love for her child can be studied and its effect or lack of on the child can be shown . . .

Someone has said on this forum that we actually live our lives centred around things that cannot be seen or touched! Love is just one example, and yet i am talking about the spiritual, and you are asking me for a scientific experiment? ? ? This beats me!

You were the person that first brought mathematics and statistics into this discussion. . . . . The effect of love can be seen. . .the effect of emotions can be seen and studied scientifically. . . . the effect of dreams and other spiritual claims can not be seen at all. . . .dreams and love are two very dıfferent things. . . the effect of one can be seen as it is expressed but the effect of the other can not be seen. . . .

And this is the whole point: If you can sense things that a themometre cannot (such as love) why do you insist that anything which a themometre cannot verify therefore does not exist

I give up on you.

Where did I say that anything that a themometer can not observe does not exist . . . .The effect of emotions such as love and anger can be seen. . .neuroscience has explaıned how the brian reacts when a person is in love or angry and the hormones the glands releases can be measured so what are you saying?

Pastor AIO:
But surely it is well documented that many people have had dreams that come to pass.

It has also been well documented that many people have been abducted by aliens. . . . It has also been well documented that many people have seen mermaids, ghost, virgin mary, prophet mohammed, jesus etc. . . .All anecdotal evidence and claims are generally discarded because human beings are extremely unreliable, . . . Even eye-witness claims have been shown to be almost useless in some cases.

Where is all these first mover debate heading to?. . ."Who created the first mover?" It's a rhetorical question, intended to rebut the "first cause" argument for all the gods or first movers. If god or the first mover is an "uncaused cause," then uncaused existence is possible. Then why can't the universe itself be uncaused? There's no reason to add the additional step of postulating a god or a first mover here. . . . .

Deep Sight:
@ Mazaje - I repeat: have you ever studies the mathematics of sequential probabilities? ? ?

No I haven't. . . . .

@ Pastor AIO - In my case virtually all my dreams come to pass, that's why i am pressing this point. It is clear that there is something external that transmits those images to the brain, and not necessarily that the Brain generates them all by itself based on exsting thoughts, such as Mazaje is trying to suggest.

What is that thing that transmits those messages to your brian and why does it make sure that only your own dreams come to pass and not that of others. . . .

Deep Sight:
^^^ You are still being evasive.

Noetic set out his question carefully. In doing so, note that he constructed a very precise scenario - such that it is not just one event (like in your example) that is at issue - rather a whole sequence of events which replay themselves in reality to precision, along a paticular pattern already seen in a dream.

Thus if i have a dream that i fall down my staircase, and shortly after, i do fall down my staircase, it is possible for you to argue that that is a mere coincidence.

BUT - If i have a dream that i fall down my stairwell, and break my ankle, and a strange italian man rushes to my aid, and he is wearing a red necklace, and he carries me out, and once out i see his green mercedes parked outside my gate, and we get into it, and there is seated in the car an angolan woman, and the woman is carrying a baby boy, and we drive off to the hospital, and at the hospital i fall down again at the entrance and break my wrist, and on getting to the Doctor's office we are told there is no space and to come back the next day, and as we drive home we have another accident. . .

If all the essentials of this dream playout in reality, then it is most difficult, nay, impossible to argue that this is a co-incidence.

Because of the sequence of events.

Have you studied the mathematics of sequential probabilities?

What has your hypothetical senario have to do with reality?. . . . . .has what you have written ever happened? Has it ever been verified scientifically?