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OLADEGBUU and his conspiracy theories. . . . . .

modupe01:
viaro has rightly put you in your place and if I were you I would listen and watch the video and dialogue and learn a thing or two and see why Christians do not have to accept your assumption of billions of years even though it is now politically correct to teach such in our institutions today.

I laugh in greek. . .so it is now about political correctness eh? The truth does not need political correctness. . . .If your theory is true why is it not thought in schools world wide?

modupe01:
Watch the videos posted and see how real scientists proved that the earth is young and when the Bible says heaven and earth it is a figure of speech that refers to the cosmos and everything thing within it, Time; Space; Matter/Energy and Information.

Why are the teachings of these "real scientist" not accepted and taught in schools all over the world? The conventional scientific study says that the earth and the universe are billions of years old and that is what is taught in schools all over the world, why are the teachings of your "real scientist" discarded OLADEGBUU?

Manmustwac did you watch my youtube videos?

noetic15:
I love this new turn in this debate. . .but before we move on. .can we agree on a definition for the environment. whats your definition?

The environment we see around is evidence for the environment not evidence for any god. . . .How does your god look like? The bible says he wears cloths and gets them stained with the blood of the humans he killed with his sword when fighting with them, what type of cloth does he wear and what are his garment made up off. . . .Those are the kind of evidence I will like you to present. . . .Stop pointing to what we see around as evidence for your god because moslems, hindus etc all do that. . . we want you to provide specific evidence for your godl like showing us the sword he uses to kill people and his blood stained cloth. . . . .

there is a huge difference between lack of evidence and acceptance of evidence. Evidence abounds. . all u have done is to refuse to acknowledge these evidences cos they do not appeal to your dogma and beliefs. just like u dont want to acknowledge that the brain can not be the sole originator of dreams with verifiable accuracy.
drop your dogmas and access the evidences that support the existence of God.

What are the evidence, you are yet to show men yahweh's blood stained cloth. . . according to the stories that men have written and aattributed to your god they said he once was showing his body parts to some of them, he was all over them fighting with them, showing his cloth stained with the blood of their enemies for all to see, addressing them through public speech, living with them(place of the lords presence in some of the books of the pentatuech) and inside a wooden box. . . .The bible talks about people seeing or hearing yahweh address them through public speech, why did he suddenly disapper and why did he use to provide evidence for his existence in the pages of ancient text ALONE? text that were written when men thought that the sun revolved around the earth?

was I wrong in expecting that u make sense of simple facts of life?
does ay compelling evidence/argument support the above assertions?

You have no evidence to show that any god inspired any body to write any story on his behalf do you?

[blah blah blah . .  . I am now used to your chorus on every thread 

Just the way I am also used to your own chorus . . . . .

olabowale:
my mother (alhamdulIllah) is now a muslim! i pity her father who died as a christian. as much as i liked the old man, being my grandpa and a spitting image of him, i cant pray forgiveness for him.

tpia, you better become a muslim one time, before you find out the truth, there will never be a rapture. never, because everyone shall die and be ressurrected for Judgement!

aanu e shemi to ba ku ni keferi, kiriyo.

What "truth" is there to find out? What truth is there in Islam? SMH. . . .

noetic15:
true indeed.

its a case that God has been substituted in your limited understanding for environment. Its amazing that many of us can still distinguish between the hands/work of God and the ontology of an environment. it would be fun to know how the environment kick started life and what EXACTLY preceded the environment. I await your answers in deep breadth.

Is the environment the handi work of your god because he told you that himself or do you accept it because you have been indoctrinated and conditioned to believe it?. . . .When I look around all I see is the environment, I do not see any god. . . .remember that your god was once all over the place fighting along side men and staining his cloth with the blood of his enemies for all to see, appearing to some of them(face to face and back parts), addressing them through public speech as recorded in his book by men. . . why did he suddenly run way? As to what kick started life I have always told you that I don't know. . . .All I KNOW is that all the god of man made religions did NOT do it. . . their accounts of how they did it is there written in their "holy" books are there for all to read. . . . .

I have asked u to show any reason why life as we see it today does not require an intelligent being to exist.

I have never said that life does not require an intelligent being to exist. . . . .what I have always stated is that there is no evidence for any. . . by the way why does life require just one intelligent being? Why not so many intelligent beings? The ancient god inventors used to believe that there were many gods. . . .even the ancient jews also used to believe in the concept of many gods. . . .there is no evidence for any god and their is no evidence to show that there is any intelligent being flying in the sky. . .I have always maintained that the universe as it is makes all the gods of man made religion look insignificant. . .the very great vastness of the universe, and our ( humans ) relative insignificance in it says that it was not created for us as all man made religions will like to have us believe. . . .colliding stars, comets destroying each other, the expansion of the universe etc. . . .Personally I believe that these are just mindless forces acting on their own. . . .I will not just ascribe it to a deity because I believe it sounds convient

please permit my sarcasm. . . but the above is gullible.
what other scientific evidence do u require? is reproduction or the photosynthetic "tools" (including the sun and rainfall) not verifiable?

Have you now reduced the evidence for your god to rainfall and sunshine? Is photo synthesis now the evidence for your god? What is this? The sun is evidence for the sun and not for your god, scientist have studied the sun in great details and they did not see the name of your god written in any part of it. . . . . ditto for rain and photosynthesis. . . .

1. what happened to God's liberty to do things as He pleases. The last time I checked, u were not compelled to post on this forum, u did so at your own liberty.
So if God inspires men to write words of wisdom and salvation and also inspires men to teach such words, . . . why do u have a problem with the liberty of God?

Point number one. . . .You fail to admit (something that can not be denied) that it is people who made those biblical statements with regards to wisdom and "salvation". . . It is people who are making claims that they are speaking for god or were inspired by god to speak or write on his behalf. . . No god has ever appeared to you and told you that he inspired any body to write anything on his behalf. . . . .all you have are people writing down their thoughts, fantasies, ideas. wishes and aspirations and ascribing it to their god. . . . Point number two. . . . You would like us to have faith in the claims of a very few people (people who started the religion you now sunscribe to), and completely reject the claims of many other people who have made different claims about speaking for different gods. . . .I do not have any problem with any god's liberty. . . I have problem with people always speaking for various god when no god has ever spoken for his/her self. . . . .That action alone says that all the gods are just not there. . . .

2. almost on every thread u sing about how God should not be this or that. . , . . your position reflects your individual and personalised definition of God. unfortunately your understanding of God has been rebuffed severally to be untenable. . . . . yet u keep . . . . .

Almost on everythread you always sing to us why your god should be this or that. . . . Your own position reflects your personal defination of who you will like your god to be. . . .You reject outrageous claims by some in order to accept the outrageous claims of others and you protect your decision with a willingness to rationalize even to the point of contradiction (which you don't even notice). . . . . You have no business going around acting as though you have any truth and insight to offer. What you have to offer is your personal mind game and opinion you've created or have been created for you in order to make believe the world is the way you want it to be no more no less. . .

abuzola999:
Mazaje you are cynically unbalance, get a religion before dying like an animal

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=354485.msg4988305#msg4988305 date=1259082033]^^
Are you not a coward also hiding under the anonimity of NL to attack islam?

With all the blasphemies you've uttered against islam why not invite abuzola over for a face to face meeting there in abuja then say all you've been posting here on NL to his face. . . . I'm sure he'd be all too happy to see you.[/quote] . . . . . .don't mind the hypocrite. . . . .

noetic15:
why would anyone want allah's guidance since all muslims are going to hell. . , according to allah?

noetic15:
how many evidences do u want?

based on the premise of alternatives. . .we can start by saying that there is NO basis to assume/believe that the earth as we see it is a random occurrence or a product of evolution/bigbang.

Where is your evidence for this? There is NO basis to believe that the creation myth you subscrıbe to is true either. . . .

with that in mind we can look at evidences from every day life , . including
a. reproduction. the ability of man to reproduce and not to evolve can only be credited to the art of creation.
b. time. the notion of time is interesting . . . it is more interesting to know that time as we know of it has a beginning. the beginning points to a period in time when life kick started.

Even during goat herder days they all knew that reproduction was what was responsible for how people came about no? Everybody knows that life had to begin at a certian point no?

life as we know of it today is of an intelligent form. . . . .it would require a more intelligent being to create an intelligent life. the complexity of species rules out the possiblity of all species evolving from a denominator. the diversity of all living things buttresses the notion of an intelligent being to see through the beautiful visualization of life as we currently see it.

Where is your scientific evidence to disprove the TOE and show that species did not evolve? I am not saying that species evolved all I am is why should people accept your baseless hypothesis?

c. evolution. it is very disturbing that man has "stopped" evolving. why do all men die and not evolve?

This is just a very silly creationist starw man. . . . . .

d. biblicel/creation notions. The intelligent being who created the earth stated His case in the bible. It might intreast u to know that most of these claims recorded in the bible in antedeluvian age are verifiable in this new era of scientific knowledge.
the photosyntetic nature of the gardden of eden, the irrigation, cultivation and general farming modus operandi for the garden, the art of creating light et all . . . .points directly to this.

ACTUALLY the current scientific knowledge we posses had shown that the creation myth in genesis is a lie and can not be reconciled with science that is why some of your own people are throwing it away and refering to it as an allegory. . . .All what science has verified points to EVOLUTION not to the myth written down in the book of genesis. . . . .so farming is now an evidence for intelligent design eh? I laugh in greek. . . . . .The writers of the genesis account do not know what phtosynthesis means. . . they had their god creating plants before creating the sun and the stars . . . .In some parts of the bible they said their god created the world from water. . . .modern scıence does NOT agree with this. . . . stop telling lies science DOES not support or verify any part of the creation myth you subscribe to. . . .

if atheism has no connection with FAITH. . .what EXACTLY is your evidence that suggests that there is no God.

The FACT that all the evıdence you have to point to your god are ONLY stories written by men according to their world view says he just is not there. . . . .Just a question for you how does your god look like? You should be able to answer this question sınce you ınsist that your god exist. . . .How does your god look like and what type of cloth does he wear since your bible says that he used to stain his cloth with the blood of those that worship other gods. . . .

this is not rocket science. . . . .just tell me how many years lie between genesis1:1 and genesis 1:2?

The FACT is that genesis 1 and 2 were NOT written by the same person. . . .

Go to www.answersingenesis.com and pose your question there

Deep Sight:
What is dark energy in the universe. If you can give a concrete explanation for it, i will accept that there is no God.

The possibility of Dark Energy is a loophole in your assertion that the pulse or energy of a creator cannot be detected in the universe.

So your own god has now been reduced to dark enegry eh? I laugh in Italian. . . .

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2274.htm

Egyptian Cleric’s message for every Jew on the face of the Earth.

Islam, Religion of Peace? It's ONLY in Islam that peace means death. . . . . .

xtristo:
T[b]O THE LIKES OF OGAGA4LUV,TUDOR,OPRAH AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO SAYS THERE IS NO GOD:
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I HEREBY CHALLENGE U ALL TO THE CONTEST OF THE MILLENNIUM.PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH URSELVES, FORM AN

ALLIANCE AND LETS MEET AT AN AGREED PLACE WITH THE COVERAGE OF ALL THE LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA.I

DARE U ALL,FOR NONE OF U SHALL LEAVE THAT VENUE ALIVE!

. . . . . . I had to re-read this nonsense again this guy is just too funny. . . . . .

abuzola999:
The truth is always bitter, she is being punished in the grave right now, for sure she is regretting dying a christian, i have a piece of a cake for you

'Give the hypocrites the tidings that there is for them a painful torment' Quran 4:138

You are a foolish animal abuzola. . , Bleep allah and mohammed and piss on them. . . .stupid idiot. . . . . . . .

noetic15:
Lets get some things straight. . . . . . .

1. Atheists live in an ideological box. This is simply because in the face of all evidence, they have ruled out the possibility of an intelligent being creating the world.

What evidence exactly? You have NEVER persented any evidencve to show that the god you talk about exist at all, all you do is offer special pleading and point to the existence of other things as evidence for the existence of your god but the problem is that what we see around are evidence for environment NOT evidence for your god. . . .your god has clearly defined attribute written in the bible and that we do not see around at all. . . . .even christians do not agree on the BASIC nature of who this god you talk about is and that is a FACT. You talk about evidence but you never talk about if your god is detectable. . . Is your god dectable? Do you detect him because he is there or because you have been brought up and indoctrinated to detect and believe in what is not there?

If this god you guys talk about is detectable, shouldn't everyone who detects it be able agree about its properties? It should be as simple as agreeing about properties of gravity, no?

Why would there be need for 35,000 different christian denominations each fighting with each other over meaning of ancient text to show that their god exist?

This is called a DOGMA. this is also rather unintelligent as we all can see that the chances of "things" being as they are now without an intelligent old man in the sky are one in infinity.

Do you have any evidence to show that there is an old man in the sky? Which part of the sky does he reside in? How come your old only exist ONLY on the pages of ancient text? The worst problem for christians and other religionist is that your bible(koran etc) are all there for people to read and any body that reads them know that they are exactly the thoughts, wishes, mythologies, fantasies of OTHER MEN who wrote down their history and geneologies according to their world view and understanding of things nothing more. . . .You have NO evidence for a jewish old man floating in the sky all you have are your own assumptions and the assumptions of others that have been indoctrinated into you as a result of emotion, social and societal upbringing. . . .

2. atheism is also a religion. depends largely on your understanding of a religion. . . .a religion is simply defined by faith. the subject of atheism is the disbelief in the existence of God, this simply requires FAITH as there is no scientific, intellectual or logical evidence that supports this assertion.
So we can infer that an atheist is a religious person who lives in a religious dogma that denies the existence of God, without any scientific knowledge, but based solely on the premise of FAITH.

The day you provide a single scientific evidence to show that your god exist is the day some of us will begin to take you as a serious person. . . .

3. where in the bible did u deduce that the earth was created 6,000 years ago? for all we know. . .there was a time-gap between genesis 1:1 and genesis 1:2
. . .so where did u get your assertions from?

There are millions of young earth creationist that believe that the world is about 6000 years old. . . .So the question is why would your god allow some of the people that believe in him to believe that the earth is about 6000 years old when its not? The problem is that your god is just not there and every body is self projecting himself as god using the bible and the assunptin that the god it talks about is true to create their own world view. . . .Why do christians not agree on anything? We have young earth creationist, those that believe in a global flood and those that don't and each of them use the bible to support their postulations. . . .Why all the confusion? Even the basic nature of the christian god is not even agreed upon by christians themselves? What does that tell you? It tells me that the god you guys are trying to sell is just not there. . . .

pitzone:
guys . thank you all for your support.

but as yoiu can see . my mom is gone .

she has left us .

i am heart broken right now .

just pray for her soul pls and us that are still living .

many thanks

My condolence to you and your family. . . . Take heart. . . .

The OP is completely deluded. . . . . .

naijababe:
This is not true unless u believe that absence of evidence translates to evidence of absence

Absence of evidence to me is definitely evidence of absence. . . . There is no evidence of 45 cows dancing beside me as I type this message and that lack of evidence is all I need to know that they are just not there. . . .But that is just by the way. . . there is no evidence for all the gods being invented and talked about by humans and all their religions. . . . Including the deist god that has no real description. . . .

abuzola999:
'Do those who disbelieved think that they can take My slaves (Angels, Jesus, mary, Ezra, sun, etc) as gods besides Me ? Verily, We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers'

Quran 18:102

Why is this retarded slave of the desert arab god called allah spamming the thread with verses from his book of myths, lies and deadly fantasy?

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=355592.msg4977730#msg4977730 date=1258935170]I would calll such a force nature. That sounds better and would be more acceptable than GOD.[/quote]And what stops nature from being regarded as god? The term god means so many different things to so many people and is not universally acceptable or does not have a universally acceptable definition. . . .one man's god is another man's "satan". . . . .

naijababe:
@mazaje
I believe in one God the creator  who created universal rules which all that is created follows. I don't susbscribe to the notion of the absence of evidence = evidence of absence.

The universe as we see it is just the way it is, In fact those that really care to know what it is are still trying hard to really figure out what it really is, the universe is just what it is whether anyone of us like it or not and that is how we see it, . . . .  there is absolutely NO evidence for your god(deist god) or any of the other deities and that means there is no reason to believe any one of them exist at all. You have rejected lots of gods and mythological stories and cosmologies, only to accept an Idea I personally believe is not very clear(deism). Why?

Is this news or urban legend? Why is a credible news site carrying this non story?

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=355592.msg4977629#msg4977629 date=1258933857]My broda, like God, juju is also becoming obsolete, so i had to run.  [/quote]No be small thing ohhh. . . .

@ Noetic

Nice to hear from you after so long. I see you are still on the christian high.  

No mind neotic na that thing wey dem dey call holy ghost wey every sect get him own version wey dey shak am. . . . .

Deep Sight:
^^^ @ Naijababe - once we do not sucscribe to orgarnised religion, but still accept the existence of God, they label us as confused.

I think we are free and true.

What sort of god do you guys really subscribe too, and why should others believe in him?. . . . . .

Okija_juju you don run leave okija shrine make who take care of am? those human bones don dry finish ohh, dem dey wait for you make you go back go pound them into powder. . . . .

Krayola:
IMO whether or not god exists is irrelevant. Of no consequence whatsoever. How does God's/prime-mover's existence or non existence affect anything? What would it matter if i were to say "I believe in the existence of a prime mover". Then what? What is the next step in your "theology", Mr deepsight?

Mr deist just wants you to know that there is a prime mover . . . . .

noetic15:
who is banning abuzola?

Abuzola u need to stop pasting koran verses on every thread. . . .its called spamming.
why not open a special thread where u can dump your verses. .  .then if and when we want to read we will go to the thread. 

Abuzola is on an e-jihad mission. . . . just let him be. . . .

oyb:
warning to Osisi and Davidylan  

As if moslems do not have VERY DEEP SEATED HATRED for people of other religion most especially christians. . . . .

noetic15:
this sounds more like bitterness.  

u have not given ONE single logical/meaningful reason why u changed from islam to xtian then to atheism. sounds like u were looking for a fast miracle for a malady. (no pun intended)

She said she discovered that jehovah was no different from allah, that is her reason or did you forget to read that part?

Chrisbenogor:
Oga Mazaje
Body dey for cloth oh  

Nice. . . . My body dey inside blanket now ohhh I just dey come from outside and cold dey here scatter. . . .

Wetin really happen for PH. . . wey lead to rape, murder and destruction?. . . .

Chrisbenogor:
My respect for wirinet grows everyday, he is the number one person I would love to meet on nairaland.

The above is truly timeless.

If God did exist he did a  pansy assed job in creating man, I watched the horror of what the militants did to people in Port harcourt, innocent 'sisters'  being raped (two are officially dead now a third still missing) mercilessly. I do not even want to imagine what happens in war torn countries. Man has got to be the worst thing God created.

Dey there, you no know say na satan wey dey responsible for everything wey dey bad wey dey happen? shebi no be satan make adam and eve eat fruit?. . . . . .   . . . . .

How body? two days. . . .