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davidylan:
It is up to you to prove to me that he didnt.

What is good for the goose . . .

This is what YOU yourself wrote on another thread. . .you got it from wikipedia. . .

A careful reading of Josephus' writings allowed Ehud Netzer, an archaeologist from Hebrew University, to discover the location of Herod's Tomb, after a search of 35 years — above aqueducts and pools, at a flattened, desert site, halfway up the hill to the Herodium, 12 kilometers south of Jerusalem — exactly where it should have been, according to Josephus's writings.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-304828.32.html

Stop lying for jesus. . .

davidylan:
Actually that is a well known fact in archeological circles. Ehud Netzer, who discovered this tomb made the claim himself.

Its always better to have your facts before you accuse others of lying.

Where exactly did he say that you shameless lair?

noetic2:
This would be my last response on this devil subject.

You now you have no ground to stand on when it comes to this mythical and elusive chracter you call the devil. . .If you REALLY have any evidence at all to support this myth you will just point to it and shut me up forever. . .

1. you claimed that the devil is a myth. . .fine.
your claim is based on biblical description and narration.

What exactly is the biblical description of the mythical figure? Is he a serpent? Is he a prince, is he an angel, is he a man. . .The bible does NOT even give a coherent description of what this mythical and elusive character is at all. . .The bible just ascribes every bad thing to this mythical figure that has no basis in reality. . . .  

2. The bible truly gives a narration and description of who the devil is. . . it is on the basis of these descriptions that u came to the conclusion that the devil is a myth.

Can you provide the description for this mythical being. . . .

So I ask u. . . .  .why dont u offer an analysis or evidences as to why each of the biblical attributes of the devil constitutes a myth.
Any ignorant illiterate can make a fallacious assertion. . . . . .the difference between a literate and an illiterate is the logical analysis/evidences they tender to buttress their assertions. . . that is all I asked u for.

Aren't you tired of dancing round and round in a circle?. . .The bible does not even give a coherent description of these mythical figure. . .Why are you waiting for me to prove your claims for you. . .I said the devil is a myth that exist ONLY in the pages of the bible just like the mythical jinns that exist only in the pages of the koran. . .If you have any evidence to show that the devil exists outside the pages of the bible then pls bring it on. . .simple. . .

davidylan:
its the typical bully response when he has nothing else to say. He's not alone, the atheists out there he is modelling himself after use the same tactic: if you insult others loud enough you will sound like the more intelligent.

Bla bla bla. . the problem with you deluded goons is that you never like it when a piece of your own medicne is being giving unto you. . . YOU are the first person to ever call me a fool on nairaland and since then I learnt to talk to you in the ONLY language you understand. . . Every body that knows you knows that you are the person to ALWAYS throw the first insult. . . You insult others ALL the time by calling them names but when people do the same to you you begin to sulk and complain like a headless chicken. . .Have you ever wondered why most people insult ONLY you?

Note all their diatribes against God follow the same pattern . . . little logic but PLENTY of subtle insults, deliberate put-downs, belittling the bible and christians . . . nothing new.

You have been wired to believe that any body that disagrees with your ridiculous beliefs is insulting it. . .That is the same thing you do to the muslims out there that you LOVE to hate. . .You belittle muslims and the koran don't you? Stupid hypocrite. . .

davidylan:
What exactly did you show me? I cant see anything other than the usual mishmash of drivel that 99% of the time has no correlation with what is being discussed.

Each time you approach threads here you have one default spot - bawling loudly about how others (usually known as "deluded liars" have not provided you with evidence . . . do you have anything else to say because frankly listening to the same thing over and over and over again becomes tiresome after a while.

I laugh in Aramiac. . .Didn't you lie that discovery of Herod's tomb by archeologists came about from extensive searching of the bible?

noetic2:
your intention was to come across as funny. . . and I am sure u did.
But the fact remains that u made the RIDICULOUS claim that the devil does not exist. ,    . . .am I in the wrong asking u to prove your claim?

I said the devil is a mythical character that exist only on the pages of the bible( and other religious text like the koran). . . . it is now up to you to show that I am wrong by providing evidence that he exists outside the pages of the bible. . .

I hate repeating myself. . . .  . .can u just back up what u said.
My antecedents on nairaland show that I ALWAYS back up my assertions with either analysis or evidences. If I was the one who made the first claim on the devil. . . then the onus of evidence would be on me. . .but u made the first claim . . ,   . .so prove it. . .what are u afraid of?

You have never provided any evidence for any of your claims. . you just keep making more unsubstantiated claims all the time and call them evidence . . .I said the devil is a myth. . hope you know what a myth is? if you disagree that the devil is a myth then you have to show that it is not a myth. . .you can start by describing exactly how the devil looks like. . . That shouldn't be too hard for you to do. . .

Abuzola:
The Quran

And what makes the Koran better than Harry Porter. . . ?

C2H5OH:
Being law abiding citizens does not explain half of the story.
The laws you abide by did not come by way of "nothing", right?
How do you differentiate right from wrong?
Basic human instinct is not enough.

I'm just curious

Are you for real?. . .All laws were made by men and all moral laws evolved. . . In fact they are still evolving. . . You know what is right and what is wrong because you were taught about it by your surrounding culture. . .

davidylan:
If you notice, i rarely bother to respond to his posts anymore . . . the guy is just confused.

Shut up you stupid and deluded liar. . you only stopped responding to me after I showed what a liar you are. . .

noetic2:
1. when are u going to ignorantly keep running round in circles. . . . ,  u brought satan into this conversation. . ,  .u made a ridiculous claim about the devil. . . . .so what EXACTLY is the proof, evidence or basis for to back up your assertion?

Astronomer: There are flying rocks out there in the sky that we can not see with our eyes called comets. . .
Mazaje: What do you mean that there are flying rocks out there in the sky that we can not see. . .
Astonomer: I am telling you the truth, These flying rocks collide with each other and it is believed that they collide with other planetary bodies out there. . .
Mazaje : What do you mean by that. . . This is not true. . it is a myth. . .
Astonomer: Why do you say that it is a myth. . .
Mazaje : Because you have not provide any evidence to show that there are flying stones out there in the sky that can not be seen with our naked eyes. . .
Astronomer: Ok come with me. . .This is my space telescope. . have a look you will see what i am talking about. . .
Mazaje: WOW its true. . I can see the flying rocks. . wow sorry for implying that you are lying. . .thanks. .interesting. . .wow i am impressed. . .

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Mazaje: Neotic what's going on you look sad. . .
Neotic I am really sad because the devil is really pissing me off. . He is a liar and the father of all lies . .
Mazaje: what are you saying, who is this devil. . .
Neotic: don't you now who the devil is? He is a liar and the father of all lies. .he is out there tempting people and causing havoc every where. . .
Mazaje which havoc did he cause? and how exactly does he look like because I will like to know more about him. . .
Neotic: All you need to know is that the devil is a liar and goes he around causing havoc. . separating marriages, leading people astray, tempting them and causing them to do bad things. .
Mazaje: Who really is this devil, you have refused to tell me how he looks like and how exactly he lies to people. . .
Neotic: you just need to believe that the devil is the father of all lies. . . thats all you need to believe. .
Mazaje: why should I believe something just because you said it. . .Where is your evidence for this devil?
Neotic: i said the devil is a liar and the father of all lies just believe it.
Mazaje: I will not believe it unless you provide some evidence to show that this devil of yours is out there lying to people and causing havoc. . if you don't then that devil of yours is a mythical character. .
Neotic: Who told you that the devil is a myth, I said that the devil is a liar and the father of all lies. .
Mazaje: Where is your evidence for this myth. . .
Neotic : Where is your evidence to show that the devil is a myth. . where, where, where is your evidence to show that the devil is a myth. . .
Mazaje: You claimed that there is a being out there called the devil that goes around lying to people, all I ask is for you to do is provide some evidence to back up your claims. . .that's all. .
Neotic : Shut up, Shut up, The devil is out there and he is a liar, Just believe it you fool, in fact you are the son of the devil, you foolish and disturbed soul, idiot, how dare you say that the devil is a myth, fool, troubled soul, the devil is real and you are no different from him. . idiot son of the devil. . idiot
Mazaje: You made a claim that there is this devil out there who is lying to people, I asked you to describe how he looks like and how exactly he lies to people. . How exactly does he cause all the havoc you have ascribed unto him. . who exactly is this mythical devil. . . how does he look like. . Why should I accept your claim when you can not even substantiate your claims
Neotic: Shut up, Shut up, the devil is a liar and you are no different from him, You have not proven to me that the devil is a myth. . so shut up. .fool. .ignorant son of satan. .
Mazaje :  . . .Chie dis one don pass my power ohhh. . .(Runs away laughing). . .

noetic2:
2. I am sick of of your dishonesty. . ,  . . .I also asserted that the bible presents evidences to back its claim.
IF u have a problem with these evidences. . . let me know. ,  . dont ask me to show u where it is. . .dont be lazy!!!!

Which evidence exactly? Do you have any evidence to show that this mythical satan exist outside the pages of the bible? if you do then pls bring it on. . .

Abuzola:
@mazaje, early christian, jews and sabians who followed the true doctrine of their respective messenger such moses to jews and sabian / jesus to christian will enter paradise and their name is muslim in arabic. Note muslim is an arabic word for total submission to God

I asked you if you have any EVIDENCE for this mythical Aljanah and your busy telling me stories and making ridiculous claims. . Where is your evidence for this imaginary paradise?. . . .Are mythical stories all you have as your evidence?

Neotic where are you?

Deep Sight:
So just clarify for us, Mazaje - is it your position that EVERYTHING in the Bible is a lie?

Or that there are absolutely NO historical truths contained in it?

No not at all. . .I have always maintained that the bible is the biased historical accounts of the jews. . .Just like our african historical accounts or any other historical accounts of other tribes and religions like the greeks, chinese, indians etc. . . Some of what is recorded in the bible is true and historical. . .some of what is recorded is pure myth, fiction and fantasy. . . that have no basis in reality. . . Our african cultures are really no different from the jewish culture in some sense because the Igbo's for example have their own biased history which has been passed from one generation to another like the jewish history. . The igbo history also contains actual historical truths but it is also mixed with mythology, fiction and fantasies. . Just like that of the Jews. . . .

Abuzola:
'the heaven and the earth wll not weep for them, neither will they (christian and atheist etc) be given respite (On the day of Reckoning)' Quran 44:29

Is this tales by moon light or what?. . .Abozola do you have any evidence to show that moslems are the only ones that will be enjoying in the mythical paradies shagging virgins and drinking wine from flowing rivers endlessly?

Davidylan will you come and defend the lies you just spewed?. . . This is what you said on another thread. . .

davidylan:
Is this the same Josephus whose works have largely been used to construct the history of Israel till date? Is this the same Josephus whose detailed account of Herod's tomb was used to discover the very tomb at the very site he mentioned in his work?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=post;topic=304828.64;num_replies=96


So where did you this liar get the ridiculous information that Herod's tomb was found after archeologist extensively searched the new testament? . . . . Search the new testament for what exactly? Endless myths, fiction and non historical events or what? When will you people stop lying to yourselves and for Jesus. . . 

Davidylan Just lied that archaelogist searched extensively through the pages of the new testament to find king Herod's tomb . . . You can never get enough of these deluded goons. . .

Noetic I am still waiting for you to come and describe how the mythical satan looks like pls. . . don't make me wait so long. . .

There are so many Historical errors in your bible too. . its not only the koran that contains historical errors. .

noetic2:
when was the last time u read the bible?

Why are you afraid of telling me how the mythical devil looks like? You said that I am no different from the devil and I asked you to describe to me how he looks like. . I am human so how does the devil look like?. . .Or is the devil a human too. . If that is the case then you are also no different from the devil too. . . but if he is not human then explain to me how he looks like. . .Pls do not be afraid of describing your myths pls. . . describe how the mythical satan looks like. . that shouldn't be too hard for you to do. . .

noetic2:
your mental gymnastics and circle marathon is fast becoming boring. . . . . .The bible has submitted its claims and position/evidences on the devil?

You said it yourself. . . Claims are just claims. . . The koran also submitted its claims and evidence about its own devil. . . .But the FACT remains that all the claims and evidences exist inside the pages of the bible and the koran. . If you have evididence to show that the devil exist outside the pages of the bible pls show me. . .

do u find them unacceptable? why?. . . . We would gladly oblige u in tearing apart your FALSE assertions.

I do not even find the baseless myth acceptable or unacceptable. . if you have any evidence to show that the mythical satan exist outside the pages of the bible pls let me know. . .

it is u who is making a spurious claim and cannot produce evidences.
a. how did the universe come into existence? by whom? when? what was the process involved?
b. where is your evidence to suggest that God does not exist?

Any tangible evidence to show that your god exist outside the pages of the bible?. . .

davidylan:
This must be the most stupid comment i've ever seen on this thread so far. Is this person aware that the discovery of Herod's tomb by archeologists came about from extensive searching of the bible?

Are you completely stupid or what? Your comment is the most stupid LIE I have ever heard. . Herod's tomb was discovered by archeologists . . . based on the writing and clues from the writings of the historian josephus not your unknow gospel writers that wrote only myth and fiction. . . the lies you deluded goons tell yourselves so that you can sleep at night. . .You have to explain the LIE you wrote above. . .Where is your evidence to show that Herod's tomb was discovered by the extensive searching of the bible ROFLMAO. . .The bible does not even say anything about herods tomb so how can it be used to locate his tomb. . . you guys are really pathetic. . . . .The bible only lied that Herod ordered the killings of babies during the time that Jesus was born and that has been shown to be non historical because the LIE only appears in the gospel of matthew. . . So many people wrote elaborately about Herod and they did not mention that massacre at all. . .

noetic2:
another baseless assertion. what is the difference between u and the devil?

I am human. . . Pls how exactly does your mythical devil look like. . .Pls can you describe how he looks like to me. . .

davidylan:
Do YOU have any evidence AT ALL not to talk of evidence that the devil does not exist?

I have never claimed that there is any such thing as the mythical devil. . you are the one making the claim so all I am asking you is to provide evidence to show that the devil exist outside your book of myths. . . If the devil truly exist all you will do is show me or provide evidence and shut me up forever but because the devil exist only on the pages of your book of myths and in your deluded imaginations you have to tell me to provide evidence that he does not exist. . I never said that the mythical devil exist. . you did so its up to you to provide evidence outside your deluded imaginations and book of myths to show that he exist. . . That should not be too hard for you to do. . .

davidylan:
I dont understand the complete mental disconnect and illogic that drives comments like the above. How is it possible to claim that a $5 is fake when YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN AN ORIGINAL NOTE? To contend that something is fake or a lie it MUST MEAN that you have compared it to an original and found it wanting no?

This mental gymastic is really pathetic. . you analogy fails completely because you are comparing apple and oranges. . . . I can see the dollar note and I can tell a fake one from a real one. . .If I you present a dollar bill to me and tell me that it is completely made up of raw steel I will know that you are lying. . . because I can feel the dollar note and see that it not made of raw steel. . . I can see our solar system and I know that the earth can not be created before the sun because the sun is what holds the earth and other planets in orbit. . its that simple. . . no wonder so many of your christian brothers and sisters are saying that the creation myth is an allegory. . . If they Know that it makes any sense they will NOT say that it is an allegory they will stand by it. . . . others are even saying that they believe in evolution and are trying to reconcile it with the biblical creation myth. . but because they know that it makes no sense at all they are now saying that it is an allegory so that they can still hold onto their mythical beliefs. . .

How do you know that it is a lie to claim the earth was created before the sun when you absolutely have no idea how the earth or the sun even came about in the first place?

I can see that the sun is what keeps the earth and other planets in orbit. . .Since you claim to have an idea of what  was going on at the point of creation of the universe and the solar syatem. . I will like you to tell me what was holding the earth and other planets in orbit before the sun was created since your bible says that the earth was created before the sun?. . .Where you the one that was holding the earth in orbit?

Really are you people still able to reason at all?

You have shown that you have no ability to reason at all with the kind of ridiculous analogy you keep throwing around . . .

davidylan:
He HAS TO . . . without it he'd have no excuse to turn his back against the gospel. The only excuse to deny Christ is to claim that He never even existed or if He did the bible cannot contain His real words. The devil is indeed extremely cunning.

Any evidence to show that this mythical devil exist outside the pages of the bible. .

noetic2:
why does your naive self find it difficult to gasp the evidences behind the gospel?. . . .why do u live in self destructive denial?

. . . You see why I say you guys are deluded. . . The gospels are nothing but mythical claims that have NO evidence at all like the haddit of the moslems. . .What kind of evidence is this. . gospel accounts that can not even agree on where and when exactly jesus appeared to his disciples amongst many other disagreements?. . Is that what you call evidence some books that are full of contradictions and historical errors?. . .You guys are more deluded than I thought. . .

davidylan:
That is what you tell yourself so you can feel good in your own percieved "intelligence". No one is a blank page, you either believe evolution or creationism or that you dropped from the sky . . . there is no middle ground.

Must you keep lying to yourself? Your ridiculous lies will never be the truth no matter how you keep lying to yourself  and banging your head on the ground so that you can sleep confortable at night while desperately holding unto the myths and delusions of others before you that you have no evidence for at all. . there are Millions that do not believe in creationism or evolution. . they are very happy to state that they do not know. . .

When you reject creationism it implies that YOU DO have alternative fantasies even though for the sake of your own hypocrisy it is important to continuously lie to your self that you really have no myths

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Why do I need alternatives to lies. . . If you lie to me that the earth was created before the sun and that the moon was created to rule over the night. . I do not have to provide any alternative for that kind of lie. . Christian know that the creation accounts are lies that is why they now refer to it as an allegory. . .they do not want to throw the account completely away for the lie that it is so they tweak it a lilm bit and say that ohh the creation accounts are not supposed to be taken as literal but an allegory forgetting that the people that wrote it wanted it to have literal meaning. . .

The claim that God doesnt exist is itself a MYTH . . . because you have no way of proving it.

Of course gods exist but only on the pages of religious text and in the imaginations of people that  have been indoctrinated and conditioned to buy into the myth. . .

But carry on lying if it helps you sleep at night.

Besides what has any of the above got to do with the post?  

I do not have to lie to my self. . .you guys on the other hand have to keep on lying to yourselves so that you can sleep at night that your god exist outside your various books of mytholgies. . deluded people. . .

davidylan:
Where have you provided any evidence for your own deluded fantasies?  Sick hypocrites.

I don't believe in no fantasies. . .Lying to yourself all the time will never turn your lies and myths into any truth. . . deluded goons. . .

davidylan:
The idea of "tolerance" is a falsehood with the main aim being to blunt the spiritual focus of those who KNOW and BELIEVE Christ when He says He alone (and no other) is the way, the truth and the life . . .

There is no unity between light and darkness . . . there is no way faith and unbelief can tolerate each other.

More delusion and empty platitudes. . . . Christ is the way, truth and life to what exactly hypocrisy and lies?. . If you ask the deluded goons to provide evidence for their deluded fantasies and myth they will start crying and complaining. . .

davidylan:
I only ridicule the fact that its a cult built on plagiarised christian and jewish material. That however is not the point . . . but i'm not surprised as that is the MO of the confused atheist.

Just as we ridicule the FACT that your own religion is built on twisting the jewish text and material and also borrowing for other tradition and philosopies. . . . .You call atheist confused when you guys are more confused to the extent that you can NOT even agree on the basic nature of the imaginary god you all profess to worship. . . deluded and confused people. . .

davidylan:
I only ridicule the fact that its a cult built on plagiarised christian and jewish material. That however is not the point . . . but i'm not surprised as that is the MO of the confused atheist.

Just as we ridicule the FACT that your own religion is built on twisting the jewish text and material and also borrowing for other tradition and philosopies. . . . .You call atheist confused when you guys are more confused to the extent that you can NOT even agree on the basic nature of the imaginary god you all profess to worship. . . deluded and confused people. . .