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uplawal:
lord have mercy on disbeleivers

. . . . This is strange considering that disbelievers are to be put to death. . .

The 911 mystery . . . . .

YOMZE:
Please and Please, dont mock and toil with men of God lest u be torn apart like the children who mocked @ Elisha. I mean how could people be calling Daddy G.O "Daddy Fraudster" and all sort. [b]Someone God talks to directly should nt be address inappropriately, Some of his prayers for this country have averted impending danger and disaster in our country NIGERIA. [/b]His prayer move in New York must have been directed by God, Please Give honour to whom it's due.

What kind of delusion is this . . . . .Pathetic. . . . . . .

[quote author=z-murda link=topic=322782.msg4534601#msg4534601 date=1252836492]Can you an instance of pedophilia in their Bible. I think its easy to cross check. Your koran on the other hand clearly mentions your prophet engaging in pedophilia. Correct me if I'm worng Mullah Abuzola[/quote]The haddith says that not the koran. . .The koran according to abuzola and his deluded friends is the greatest miracle to all mankind . . . .

Olabowale don quote quran finish. . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=320546.msg4525980#msg4525980 date=1252683061]^^ once again, check out these key words:


enemies


those who hate you


they plot against you


devise wicked schemes[/quote]I find it absurd that the ancient jews believed that people can plot against their god and harm him. . . isn't that outlandish. . . they claim their god created the universe yet they still believe that people can plot against him and harm him. . .mythology at its best. . . .

At the time of your appearing- _{first part of vs 9 which you conveniently left out}

What did i leave out?

like a typical atheist/satanist, you're picking, quoting and twisting words to suit your purpose.

I am not twisting any thing. . .they said those that plot evil against their god and try to harm him will fail. . .

anyway, you still didnt answer the question: what would be your own alternative for nature's law of sowing and reaping?

Natures sowing and reaping is very different from the supposed creator and force behind the entire universe fighting battles with men and boasting that he killed them all alone and that his cloth is soaked with their blood. . . .this is just too absurd. . .Where was he when Hitler was killing 6 million of his chosen men? Where was he when the romans destroyed jerusalem in AD 70 and dstroyed the jewish temple. . .

and if you're not an ancient jew then why worry about them so much?

Are you an ancient jew? . . . I just find it absurd that people will accept the mythologies of ancient jews as facts. . . .while disregarding their own mythologies. . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=321928.msg4526005#msg4526005 date=1252683191]so why are you attacking others who say the same albeit in a way you dont like? [/quote]I didn't attack any one. . . I said that there might be extra terrestrial civilizations out there, you said that there are terrestrial beings elsewhere in the universe, but they dont generally exist on the same physical plane humans are used to, When they do, they're called angels and/or demons and I asked if you have any evidence for your claims. Is that what you call an attack?

Deep Sight:
OLABOWALE DONT RUN AWAY. WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO ESCAPE WITH THIS. ANSWER THE QUESTION: WILL YOU GIVE YOUR OWN NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER OUT IN MARRIAGE TO A MAN OLD ENOUGH TO BE HER GRAND FATHER?

Olabowale will gladly do that. . .it is called sunnah(living according to the taditions of the beloved prophet) in islam. . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=320546.msg4525357#msg4525357 date=1252679224]so given the law of nature which is you reap what you sow, what other remedies would you suggest in place of vengeance?[/quote]Vengeance is not really the problem here. . . . I am just pointing out the fact that the ancient jews believed that their god was a stronger version of them. . .and they invoke his name in battles or when they are in trouble. . .He was always there to help them and he always behaves like them. . . that was the point I was making. . .It is completely absurd that the creator of the universe as we know it will come and be fighting with humans and boast about kiling them and soaking his cloth with their blood , boasting that he did it alone. . . .this story is ridiculous. . .

Psa21:8You will capture all your enemies. Your strong right hand will seize all those who hate you. 
Psa 21:9 You will destroy them as in a flaming furnace when you appear. The LORD will consume them in his anger; fire will devour them. 
Psa 21:10 You will wipe their children from the face of the earth; they will never have descendants. 
Psa 21:11 Although they plot against you, their evil schemes will never succeed. 
Psa 21:12 For they will turn and run when they see your arrows aimed at them.

The passage above gives you an idea of how the anceint jews believed their god was. . . to them he was just a stonger version of them. . . they even believe that people can plot evil schemes against their god and harm him. . .In other passages their god has a nose and complains that the burning sacrifies they offer to other gods irritates his nose. . . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=321928.msg4525426#msg4525426 date=1252679792]Do you have evidence for extra terrestrial civilizations?

Post them here.[/quote]Where did I say I have evidence for that? I said there might be extra terrestrial civilizations out there based on the fact that there are trillions of stars in our galaxzy that have planets orbiting them just like our solar system. . .I said its a possiblity. . . No one knows. . .

Deep Sight:
Mazaje - Tpia's point is perfectly valid and i am surprised that you do not see the inherent contradiction in your position - you are willing to accept the possible existence of extra-terrestials but in another breadth you insist that they must be of the same substance and on the same plane or dimension as we are on? ? ?

Where did I say that they must be on the same plane or dimension as we ? I only said based on some evidence available I believe that intelligent life could be found out there based on the fact that there are trillions of stars that have planets orbiting them just like ours in our galaxzy alone. . . so there is that possiblity our existence on this planet show that the universe supports life. . . life building blocks have been ound on comets accoring to scientist. . .I am not saying that there is life out there I am just saying that it is a posibility. . . .we know very little about the universe to make any definate proclamations about it. . . .

If you insist that we do not know anything for sure then you must agree that we cannot possibly limit what sorts of extra terrestials are out there.

Sure. . .tpiah talks about angels and demons etc. . . .But she has no evidence for any of them. .

olabowale:
all that u are doing is lying. do it with the bible, not Quran. you need to read it first.

I am not lying. . I am telling you the truth. . .I have read the koran and it is a plagiarized version of the torah and the new testament. . . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=320546.msg4525217#msg4525217 date=1252678206]shouldnt you be asking yourself why the people need to be avenged and also noting the word oppressors.[/quote]That makes it more silly. . .the entire story reeks of myth. . . .The ancient jews just believe that their god was a more poweul version of them. . . he hated everything they hated and liked what ever they like,their enemies were his enemies. . .he boast and gloats like them, shows off his cloths soaked with the blood of their enemies, shouts and screams when he is killing people(as recored in the book of jeremiah) etc. . .this tale is just too ridiculous. . .so the only way their god can avenge them is by soaking his cloth with the blood of their oppressor and boasting that he did it alone?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=321928.msg4525149#msg4525149 date=1252677589]would you like to wait until there's actual scientific evidence showing these extra terrestrial civilizations, or you want to continue believing they exist, as an "alternative" to religion? An act of faith on your part, so to speak.


Anyway, there are extra terrestrial beings elsewhere in the universe, but they dont generally exist on the same physical plane humans are used to.

When they do, they're called angels and/or demons.[/quote]Do you have evidence for these ridiculous claims or are you just spewing dogma. . . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=320546.msg4525083#msg4525083 date=1252677058]^^majaze

did you overlook this part?

you prefer a lovey dovey God who wouldnt hurt a fly, right?[/quote]The whole tale is just so silly. . .I wonder why a god that was alleged to have created the whole universe will go around boasting about killing people alone and gloating about their blood staining his cloth. . .There are so many parts of the bible where the bible god tells people to go and kill others for no reason at all. . . .and in some cases for very trivial reasons like the other people worshiping other gods or because their land is flowing with milk and honey. . . . .

Olabowale when will you accept that Islam is a farce?

noetic2:
have u ever heard about the power of choice?
God has simply excercise His power of choice by refusing to show Himself to u. . . . . . .u have not given any reason to suggest He does not exist. . or have u?

Was it not the same god that was all over the place with his mighty sword of slaughter addressing people and warning them through public speech and killing people all over the place according to the bible for not obeying him and heeding unto his word and commandments? Why is it that once men became aware and more knowledgeble this god that was all over the jew suddenly ran away and became invisible. . . .

Has god ever shown himself to you?

jagunlabi:
You think you christians can be creative enough to snare someone like me?I seriously doubt it.The very essence of a true christian is stagnation in creativity.
Back to the stupid comic and it's content,if this judging "god" is that butcher in the OT,i would've told the angel to take me directly to the lake of fire and spare me the agony of being in the presence of a maniac.Hellfire is a far better option than an eternity of ass kissing of a despotic,cosmic psychopath like this OT god.

To the ancient jews. . .yahweh was just like them but a stronger version of themselves. . .

Isa63:1Who is this who comes from Edom, from the city of Bozrah, with his clothing stained red? Who is this in royal robes, marching in the greatness of his strength? "It is I, the LORD, announcing your salvation! It is I, the LORD, who is mighty to save!" 
Isa 63:2 Why are your clothes so red, as if you have been treading out grapes? 
Isa 63:3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; no one was there to help me. In my anger I have trampled my enemies as if they were grapes. In my fury I have trampled my foes. It is their blood that has stained my clothes. 
Isa 63:4 For the time has come for me to avenge my people, to ransom them from their oppressors. 
Isa 63:5 I looked, but no one came to help my people. I was amazed and appalled at what I saw. So I executed vengeance alone; unaided, I passed down judgment.  Isa 63:6 I crushed the nations in my anger and made them stagger and fall to the ground." 


Imagine yahweh boasting and gloating how he killed people and their blood stained his cloth . . .I wonder if yahweh wears cloths made of cotton,silk or nylon. . . . .Yahweh was also boasting that he did all the killings alone without any help from anybody .

I wonder why people still believe in this stupid, nonsense and childish myths of ancient jews. . . .

@OP

You scare tactics is a way too juvenile and lame. . . try something else. . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=320966.msg4521606#msg4521606 date=1252622706]U keep mixing stuffs up. . . . .
I said those who do not believe GOD EXISTS are STUPID, THOUGHTLESS AND SIMPLETONS.[/quote]What makes them stupid, thoughtless and simpletons? You believe that god exist they don't so what makes them stupid? Why is your own belief better than theirs?

I can understand if u believe there's GOD but u refuse to serve him. . . . .But saying there's no GOD at all is the height of IDIOCY.
Read between the lines. . . .Serving him and believing in his existence are 2 different things.

Have you ever seen any god? How do you know that the bible writers were not lying? Why do you believe in the bible and not the koran? If you were born in thailand will you have been a christian? Do you have any empirical evidence to show that your god exist? Do you not only believe because you have been indoctrinated since childhood and your surrounding culture?. . . . .

You are an ignoramus.
I know a lot of peops in Osogbo who go for the river festival every year from the UK.
They still believe in GOD almighty but they follow the tradition of their forefathers. So stop spewing balderdash in the name of trying to win a debate.

Those are the ones you know. . . I also know those that worship only sango and other traditional gods. . .wole soyinka for example is a Ifa worshipper and Ifa is the only god he knows as far as he is concerned there is no god greater than Ifa. . . .

The topic of this thread alone has attacked my beliefs. I have every right to attack back.
Why can't you atheists just keep mum and leave people who serve God alone. . . . .Does it bovver you that we have GOD?
I don't bovver you, don't bovver me and stop putting senseless topics like this to provoke people who have GOD in their lives.
Y'all are the ones insecure, not me.

The lies you tell yourselves all the time so that you can sleep at night. . . are the christains that go to the islam section insecured when they go to challenge the moslems over there? I do not believe in all the gods of man religions and I am not insecured about it at all. . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=320966.msg4521442#msg4521442 date=1252620572]Where is the evidence?[/quote]Here it is. .

So some set of people still cannot believe God exists?
Do u guys say this out of sheer stupidity or you say it to cop attention? .

You suggested that those that do not believe in god are some how stupid. . . .

Cos these worshippers say it. . . . . .
They serve a little god but they still acknowledge the ALMIGHTY. . . . .
All those Sango, Ogun and Oya worshippers still know there's a GOD up there watching over them.
Stop being ignorant

The above is very false. . . . Oya woshippers worship oya. . sango worshipper worship sango. . .my mothers uncle is a traditional african religionist and worships the spirits of his ancestors. . .that Is the ONLY god he knows and acknowledges. . . he does not believe in jesus, allah or yahweh. . .
you are the one that is ignorant. . .

They are bumbling idiots for questioning what i BELIEVE in.
Like i keep repeating. . . . .I want to serve A and u want to serve B. . . . .Ma belief is serve your B by all means.
I will not question your service to B and don't you ever question ma service to A. . . . .Stay on your lane while i stay on mine.
To cross the lane and tell me my A does not exist is hugely spastic. . . . .
I don't have a problem with you not believing there is GOD. . . . .That's your problem(but keep it within your mind, don't force it on me).

OK. . . .I have come to accept that people are their beliefs. . . an attack on their beliefs is an attack on them personally. . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=320966.msg4521232#msg4521232 date=1252618040]And i am comfortable choosing to believe in this path cos if i die tonight with these beliefs, i woulda lost NOTHING.
It's a very safe bet. [/quote]Good for you. . . . .

I have never said people who don't believe in God are stupid.

You suggested that in your first post here. . .

It is one thing to acknowledge GOD exists and refuse to believe in him . . . .it's another thing NOT to believe in his existence at all.
Idol worshippers in Nigeria know there is GOD but they still believe in other little gods(i don't have a problem with such peops).

How do you know that their gods are little gods? How do you know that your god is bigger or better than theirs? They on the other hand believe that your own god is the little god while theirs is the bigger and better god. . . .

Ma problem is with bumbling idiots who say THERE IS NO GOD AT ALL.

Why is he an idiot for stating that? The fact that you believe that there is a god does NOT mean that there is a god you simply believe that there is one you do NOT know if there is one if you do know then you will no longer believe in the god hypothesis. . . .So why call some body an idiot for disbelieving in something you belief in? . I thought you were not a fanatic. . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=320966.msg4521175#msg4521175 date=1252617114]Like i said. . . . . .I woulda lost nothing if i die believing the myths, fiction and fantasies of people.
Can u tell me what i stand to lose believing in heaven n hell?[/quote]It depends on how fanatical your beliefs are. . . some people's beliefs in heaven and hell make them do crazy things to others because they believe that this life is useless and serves no actual purpose. . . .Your belief in heaven and hell is nothing to me because its just what it is a belief its something you do NOT know but just believe in it because you were conditioned, indoctrinated and brought up to believe in it. . . .You came here suggesting that people that do not believe in god are some how stupid when all you have to show for the existence of your god is the stories that other men like you have written, stories you accept based on faith without knowing if they are actually true or not. . . .

I don't believe you.

Dey there. . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=320966.msg4521095#msg4521095 date=1252616195]Anyways, i will remember to toss a barrel of water to you while you and Deep Sight are in HELL throwing tantrums. [/quote]Do you have any evidence to show that there is a part of human consciousness that survives bodily death or are you just swallowing the myths, fiction and fantasies of people that believe that believe that the sun revolves around the earth. . . .

Ignore their rants, jare.
It is so convenient for them to sit on their plastic chairs and spew heresy behind a computer screen.

Are you kidding me? Do you know that there is nobody that blasphemes the name of allah and mohammed on NL like davidylan. . .