₦airaland Forum

lightwalk:
It is not the same thing and don't confuse yourself jare, HarryPotter is a science fiction while the Bible is a historical book and as well most of the things it contains has been verified.

This is false. . . There are some historical truths in the bible. . . most of which are in the OT. . .The major "historical" narrative in the bible have NO archeological or historical evidence and they have been shown to be false example the Exodus, Noah's flood. . .etc. . .

The New testament reports very few historical events and most of them appear ONLY in the New testament and have NO support form other sources. . .Some of them have been show to be false. . .

muhsin:
I can help bu to laugh.

Laugh at what exactly? where you not also indoctrinated into Islam via the same process?. . .

babaearly:
I dont know why the heated arguments.
Mazaje,gadogado,beaf,david and df2006, whats fucking wrong with you guys. The northerners,southerners,westerners,easterners are all corrupt. Ibb was corrupt didnt the southerners play in his boat,abacha was worse but did the southerners not partake in the loot and gave him a strong backing, the same stay applies to Obj, Yaradull etc. It is an upper class and a cabal thing,not a tribal thing. There are southerners who can die for sanusi's madness.

This was the point i was trying to make all along. . .Personally I am a not an advocate of tribalism or ethnicity. . .My dad is from the north while my mum is from the south. . .I just do not like it when people lie to themselves all the time. . . . .The Northerner are corrupt but so are the southerners. . .

bibiking1:
I really would not want to enter into a diatribe with you, but i am forced to refer you to Bankole Wellington's opening remark in his famous rejoinder to Reuben Abati's tirade on Nigerian Artist. He drew a line from popular American Showman P. T. Barnum "I don't care what they say about me, but make sure they SPELL my name right"
That my dear "MAZAJE" you have failed to do, and even though i stand on the opposite of what these men represented i frown at your total disregard for the rule of constructive engagement. You can only criticise who you know!

Are the southern leaders better than the northern leaders?. . .the answer is NO. . . .

It does not even say that all other gods are non existent it just says that people should not worship them. . . .This myth makes no sense at all. . .Most of the gods of man made religions are actually men, . .

Davidylan,Oladeegbu,No2atheism and neotic. . . . .

Beaf:
So you steal oil and it doesn't show in your village? Those places look and stink like dung heaps; you have to be crazy to comment about anything in the South, our swamps are your heaven.

Actually I steal the oil with the help of your brothers and sisters. . they introduced me into it. . .I had European connections they stole the oil and we set up a deal. . . . Blame your thieving brothers and sisters that have no shame not me. . .

You steal oil and the money can't even make you aware of the benefits of the polio vaccine? Or how to avoid river blindness?

Have you helped cure or provided free health care to all your kwasokor infected children in the south?

You are useless to yourselves and Nigeria.

Remember it always. . . WE FUCKING FEED YOU!

Mirro mirror on the wall

kolaxy:
@mazaje, you'll never rot in hell in Jesus Name.You know why? Because God loves you and he has the final say about your soul.He only need to show himself to you and open your mind to the truth like he did with 'Saul' who later became 'Paul'.Saul was worse than you and Abuzola before Jesus met him. So my friend, just chill, However, remember no one knows tomorrow so I'll advice that you make a decision right now.Accept the gift of eternal Life in Christ. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Jesus loves you

I know fully well that God is deeply interested in all people, even those who have no interest in God. God cares for those who don’t care about God. God loves those who wish that God didn’t exist. God is open-minded towards those who are close-minded to Him. When Jesus died on the cross, he died especially for those who want nothing to do with him. If you are still reading this far then, you must be a very open-minded person.

Did you read where Jesus declared that he came to save ONLY the lost tribe of Israel?. . .Did you read about where jesus told his disciples that he was going to judge only the 12 tribe of Israel?. . .I was also indoctrinated into the Jesus myth. . .6 years ago I was just like you repeating all these lies to myself and to others that were around me. . .

df2006:
two northerners who were hale and hearty contested, did you vote for them?

I wasn't in Nigeria when the elections took place. . but remember that your southern brother stole the election and gave it to the sick and incompetent one amongst the two. . . .so blame him

Beaf:
Talking about Yenegoa and your oil thieving. . .

Actually I do it with your southern brothers and sisters. . in fact the introduced me to it. . .

What exactly do you guy's produce apart from various illiterate miscreants, the Boko Harams (you sadly seem to be one), maitasene's etc. All bleeped up. Because some of you guys heartily embrace illiteracy, they even riot against vaccines aimed at keeping you well.

Are you for real?. . .Which state are you from?. . . .even with all the oil wealth you guys have how have you guys used it to help yourselves?. . . .with all the education you guys boast about how have you helped improved the lives of your people?. . .

Remember it always. . . WE FUCKING FEED YOU!

. . .Again how can you boast of feeding others when you can not even feed yourselves

df2006:
why is it that when you people are confronted with wrong doing you take solace with the fact that other people are doing it, is the education minister the president? the minister is the responsibility of the president, deal with the president and forget the minister, a real president will never even make that idiot a minister.

What about the idiot obasanjo that made a sick man the president of Nigeria? Is he a northerner?. . .Why should the north alone be attacked when every body is involved in the primitive way of corruption?. . .are the southerners less corrupt than the northerners?. . . The answer is NO. . .

Beaf:
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So you are one of the many bunkerers? No better than thieves.
You guys have nothing to to offer outside Boko Haram and almajiri's that you send to various Southern states.

Remember it always. . . WE FUCKING FEED YOU!

I do the the oil bunkery with your southern brothers and sisters. . . .The problem is that you guys are NO better no matter how much you keep lying to yourself. . . .You guys have nothing to offer beside yahoo, yahoo boys and drug pushers. . . .I live in Europe. . .go to the European prisons and I bet you that 90 percent of Nigerians that are in there are of southern extraction. . . .

You can NOT feed yourselves how then can you boast of feeding others. . . Is yenagoa in the north?. . .Have you ever been there?. . . .

Beaf:
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We are not better. WE JUST FUCKING FEED YOU! . . .And the idiots among you (they are many) think they can keep taking the mickey.

This is false considering the fact that you guys can not even afford to feed yourselves. . . One thing you need to know is that the southerners are NOT united at all. . .I have lived in Rivers state and I have experienced their own local tribal warfare. . . .Stop pretending as if you guys are united or are able to feed yourself. . .I do business in the oil and gas sector. . .I visit the Niger Delta regularly and The truth is that the place is no better than kano. . . .The leaders are not even able to take care of their own people. . .The Idiots among you of which there are MANY too keep taking the mickey. . . .

davidylan:
The southern governers werent stealing 40 yrs ago until they learnt it was the only way out.

We all know that people like obasanjo were the ones that brought corruption into Nigeria. . .Was Ironsi a northerner?. . .So what if the soutehrners were not stealing 40 years ago? Are they not stealing today?. . . Are people like Urju uzo kalu, Ibori, depreye alamasia, igbenidion, aloakala northeners?. . .What are you goons saying? . . .Was obasanjo a northerner when he decided to hand over the country to a sick and incompetent person?. . .The king makers of the PDP that keep destroying the nation are they northerners? What are you people saying? . . .blame it all on the north when the thieving southerners are no better. . . .

davidylan:
this is precisely the problem with Nigeria. While the rest of the world is addressing global economic issues at the UN, the president of our country snubbed invitations to go open a private university in saudi arabia while his own schools are closed down.

Well we thank God for the north.

Do these deluded goons think at all?What about the minister of education that chose to celebrate a lavish multi million naira birthday when ASUU was on strike and insulted them instead of having a meeting with them is he a northerner too?. . .When ASUU went on a 6 month strike under obasanjo where was this fool to blame it on the yarubas?. . . .  . . Idoits. . as If the southern Nigerians are any better than the Northerners. . . . .

davidylan:
When will be rid ourselves of this hausa fulani yoke.

Are all the thieving southern governors hausa fulani?

I saw the show on MBC and I did not see Yar'adua there. . he might be in one of the hospitals receiving medication. . .why will the fool yar'adua be in there when all his universities are closed?

davidylan:
When a "god" needs to intimidate others, threaten them with death and violence . . . just to swell his camp of devotees then you dont need to be told he's a fraud.

Thanks for saying that your own god is a fraud because he did the very same thing you are accusing another god of doing. . .intimidating and threatening other people that do not believe in him with death and violence so that he can swell his camp of devotees. . .Just like the moslem god. . . .

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.2 Chronicles 15:12-13

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22)

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21)

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29)

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22)

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4)


Any god that intimidates people with violence and death just to swell his camp is truly a fraud like the Old testament god. . . . .

noetic2:
I hope my posts did not come across as rude?

Not at all. . . .I think I understand your internet personality a bit by now. . .

noetic2:
I thought I politely asked u to shut up?

Why now don't you believe in freedom of speech?. . . .

davidylan:
Its funny though how there are 3 (out of 5) votes for maybe. I wonder if the question had been framed as "does God exist" whether we would have gotten up to 10% of the vote.

Its easier to believe in time travel than that God exists. You begin to wonder if all these desperation to explain away the existence of God is really due to a rigorous search for knowledge or the inherent fallen nature of man to rebel against God.

Did the bible not say that at one time the bible god was all over the place killing those that rebel against him and soaking his cloth with their blood. . .shouting and bosting that he killed all the rebels alone?. . .Why is it that these ridiculous stories exist only on the pages of the bible? Where is this mythical yahweh. . . will you pls hurry up and tell him to come and kill us all and soak his cloth with our blood just as he did those that disbelieved in him in the bible. . .by the way why is the bible god only powreful and strong ONLY in the pages of the bible?. . .Is it because the bible god exist ONLY on the pages of the bible? . . .deluded goons. . . .

noetic2:
@ Huxley
1. Your presumed "contradictions" are ridiculous? have u ever bothered to read a bible?
Suffering is the function of the absence of God. The world (which refers to the system of events) of God as created in the garden of Eden was WITHOUT suffering. Man sinned and was expelled from the world of GOD. The world we live in is NOT of God as originally desiigned. . . that is why

Do you bother to read the bible in its entertity or do you pick and choose what to believe in as uaual?. . . .What do you mean by suffering is the absence of your mythical god?. . .The bible does not say such at all. . .these are the lies you guys tell yourselves so that you can sleep at night while maintaining your delusions. . .The bible says the oppisite. . .If you have any verse that says suffering is the absence of the bible god pls put it forward. . .this is what the bible has to say about the problem of evil. . .

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

(Isaiah 45:7,) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I do not believe that evil is caused by the imaginary bible god but that is what his alleged word says. . .Amos 3: 6 goes ahead and makes a very bold claim saying that the bible god himself is responsible for the evil that takes place in every city. . . . This debunks all your apologetics. . . .

a. Satan is called the PRINCE of this world. . . . , cos Satanic schemes and policies are dominant in the political, business, economic and social arena as we see it today.

Where exactly does the bible say this. . .when will you guys stop lying to yourselves?. . In fact this is what the bible says about political leaders. . . .

Rom13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 
Rom 13:2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 
Rom 13:3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 
Rom 13:4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 
Rom 13:5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 
Rom 13:6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 

The bible says those in authorities were put there by the bible god and should be respected no matter what. . .why then are you talking about political power. . .Personally i know that no god put people in power but why not go but what your bible says when making claims. . .

Suffering has never been the intention or plan of God. . . .suffering is part of the package u get from a world not of GOD. do u know of God's plan to end suffering?

The bible does NOT say any of what you have written down at all. . . .

why do u think heaven and earth would pass away? why do u think Christ would be back to reign? What do u understand by the kingdom of God?
All of this is the establishment of God's own world (system of events) where suffering, fear and war have no place.

Every body wants this kind of utopia that is why every myth contains this heaven myth as a place where people can go and rest from the evils of this world. . . . . . . .

2. I have addressed your killing concerns on sevearl threads including this one. Simply replace the children of Israel with the believers in Christ and the victims with unbelievers.
u come up with certain deductions/, , . .
a. God would do anything for the well being of His chosen and annointed. . .including the killing and destruction of the enemy.
b. We have a God who cares about the well being of His people
c. It is DANGEROUS to live outside the shield of God
. . .and many more

Do you accept this rationalization for Islam? Will you accept if moslems tell you that allah will destroy and do anything for his chosen ummah including killing and destruction of the enemies?. . .Moslems have a god who cares for them no? It is also DANGEROUS to live outside of allah's shield. . .So next time DO NOT complain if moslems kill you because they are doing what allah tells them. . .just as you believe that it is was OK for your god to order the killings and destruction of others. . . NEVER again complain if moslems go about killing for their god because they are doing exactly what their god says something which you believe is ONLY right if it is your god that commands it. . . .what makes the murders that were sanctioned by your god right and that sanctioned b allah wrong? are they not both gods?. . .Stop complaining when moslems kill you people ever again because they are doing what their own god tells themto do. . .

2. All u have done is to tell LIES. . . . . .what anthropological, historical, and scientific methods lead to the notion that Jehovah is a mythical person?

Where is your scientific evidence, historical evidence methods which show that yahweh is not a myth. . .

Abuzola:
No mind dawod

Abuzola. . .I have a picture of davidylan do you want. . . . . . . .

noetic2:
1. Simply replace the children of Israel with today's believers and replace the bloodshed victims with unbelievers. The OT is a manifestation of the NT covenant . . . .

Actually the OT is NOT a manifestation of the new testament. . . .The New testament was written by people who wanted to create a new god out of the OT scriptures. . . they created "prophecies" or misinterpreted prophecies from the old testament and said that their god (Jesus) fulfilled them. . The author of Matthew even made mistakes. . .He said Jesus fulfilled a prophecy according to Jeremiah but ended up quoting Zachariah. . . .The new testament was written by people who wanted to start a new religion out of the already established religion(Judaism). . .Paul and his cronies and the unknown writers of the gospels changed the Jewish Torah and gave it new meaning. . . . They lied that the book of psalms and book of prophets were all talking about jesus when the books if read in context were talking about something else. . . this was the same thing mohammed later did himself. . .stole the torah and some of the books that were banned from the bible and created his own religion. . . .

Here are some points made by some Jews which discredits some of the so called prophecies that Jesus was said to have fulfilled from the OT. . . .

In John, chapter 7, verse 38, Jesus reportedly says: "Scripture said: 'From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water'." There is no such passage in the Hebrew Tanach or anything resembling it.

Matthew 2:23 says that: "He came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, he shall be called a Nazarene." There is no mention of this in the Ketuvim (the prophets). This narrated prophecy does not even exist! In the Old Testament (King James Version), the words "Nazareth" and "Nazarene" do not ever appear!

John 17:12 mentions a "son of perdition" and says the "scriptures are being fulfilled." There is no reference, however, to a "son of perdition" in the Tanach.

Jesus says that it was Zechariah, son of Berechiah, who was killed in the Temple courtyard (Matthew 23:35). Apparently Jesus didn't read the Bible very closely or he would have known it was another Zechariah, whose father was Jehoiada, who was killed there (II Chronicles 24:2-22).

Regarding Jesus' stepfather, was he Joseph son of Jacob son of Mattan son of Eliezer (Matthew 1:15-16) or Joseph son of Eli son of Mattat son of Levi (Luke 3:23-24)? And how can both sets of genealogical tables validly include Shealtiel and Zerubabbel (Matthew 1:12; Luke 3:27), given that both of these men are descendants of Jeconiah (1 Chronicles 3:16-19), of whom G-d has said: "No man of his seed shall prosper, sitting on the throne of David or ruling any more in Judah" (Jeremiah 22-30)?

Was John the Baptist Elijah, as Jesus claimed (Matthew 11:14)? If so, why did John himself deny it (John 1:21)? Would "Elijah" have been so unsure of Jesus' messianic identity (Luke 7:19-20)? And where in our Scriptures is it written that Elijah would be mistreated, as Jesus claimed (Mark 9:13)? Don't our Scriptures indicate, to the contrary, that Elijah will be successful in his mission of restoring harmony among the people (Malachai 4:5-6)? Moreover, Mark 9:11-13 and Mark 6:16 declares that: "Elijah has come" and "It is John who I beheaded." There is no indication from the Tanach that Elijah would be beheaded. I refer you, once again, to Malachai 4:5-6.

According to Acts 7:53 and Galations 3:19, the Holy Torah was given to the Jewish people by "angels." But, according to Exodus 20:1, it was given to Moses by God: "And God spoke all these words."

Acts 7:14 says that 75 souls went down to Egypt. Yet, Genesis 46:27 it says "threescore and ten" (70) went down to Egypt.

noetic2:
I would answer each of your questions per post, . , . .

Question 1.

Before attempting to interpret the bible, one must ask what was the purpose for which the bible was written?
The OT and NT were written to serve as an informative guide to the adherents of God's commandments. . .It was not written to serve as a proof for the existence or nihilance of God. . . .neither was it written to serve as an alternative to science or as an historical guide. . . . .the bible was written to be a spiritual guide to the adherents of God's commandments in all generations

This is lie number one. . .is this your own opinion as you have said before or is this what the bible actually says?

b. narrative angle. . . . .refers to the narration of events like the exodus, abraham lineage stories, books of samuel, judges et all

I thought you just said that the bible is not a historical guide? Where did you get that lie from? Have you read the books of kings and chronicles? Have you ever read the hebrew bible to see how it is divided?

aa. The prophetic angle CANNOT be literarily interpreted. . . . .it requires inspiration and spiritual knowledge. . . .that explains the many various versions of prophetic interpretation.

Where in the bible does it say so?. . . . . .Why do so many christians literary interpret the prophecies?. . . . Why are the wrong. . . is it a different holy spirit that inspires them?

bb. The narrative angle SHOULD be taken literarily. . . . . .

Where in the bible does it say this?. . . .Where does it say in the bible that tha narratives should be taken literary and the prohecies not literary? Have you read the gospel of matthew?

dd. The gospel is as simple as it comes. . . . however it is worth noting that Jesus exclusively said certain things to a chosen set of disciples, many of which are written in the bible. . . . this statements CANNOT be taken for a literal value as they contain significant meanings dennotable only by insightful teachings.

Is this your own opinion or is this what your bible says? What about people who say they have the holy spirit and it teaches them to take the statements for their literal value why are they wrong?

ee. The laws of the OT are from God. . . . they are summarised in the NT to simply imply LOVE . . .which is the crux of what Christ taught.

The OT CLEARLY says that the Laws came directly from the OT god himself but Paul who was preaching about a new religion and a new god different from the OT god lied when he said that the laws did not even come directly from the OT god but was put forth through angels. . . .(Galatians 3:19)

1. The creation narrative is an interesting piece. while no one was there when God made the earth and its components as stated in the OT. . .it is worth noting the [b]proclamations of God in genesis have been significantly true and irrefutable even till today[/b].

I think you are clearly deluded. . .What do you know about astronomy? What was keeping the earth and other planets in orbit before the sun was created on the 4th day of creation since the bible says that the earth was created before the sun?. . .Was the earth really created before all the stars were created on the 4th day?. . .have you ever looked through a space telescope before?. . .Do you realize that most christian astronomers say that the creation myth should be taken as allegory? have you ever wondered why?. . .Are the stars really created for signs? . . .How does a rock(moon) rule the night? its very clear that the bible god does not even know the importance of the moon and the role it place on the planet, the bible god said he created the moon to rule over the night . . . the moon's gravitational pull is what cleans the oceans and the tides as science has shown it does not rule any night. . .do the writers of the bible know that there are trillions of stars that have planets orbiting around them when they said that the stars will fall into the earth when jesus will come?. . .do they really know what the stars are when they said the stars fought along side humans in wars?

The alternatives to God's creation has been evolution. . . . .I will however emphasize on creationism as stated by God.

This is false because every religion has its own creation myth. . . . .Have you read about the creation accounts by other god. . like the greek, chinese African and indian gods?. . .

the proclamations/actions of God that are relevant till this day include the following facts that God decreed
a. sexual reproduction. . . . .causing man and beast to be fruitfull and multiply
b. irrigation, rainfall for farming and other farming techniques. . . , which are till today very relevant.
c. curses about child birth et all

It is very clear that your god does not know that some animals and plants reproduce asexually. . . . .did your bible god curse female animals too when he told the mythical eve that she will give birth to her children in pains. . .do you know that animals also give birth to their young ones through a painful process like humans? have you ever seen a goat in labour?. . .did you god also curse the femal animals too? . . .so irrigation, farming etc are all evidence for creation . . . . Neotic my man. . .I love this guy. . . .

I made a thorough analysis of this on a thread called "NOETIC2 EXPLAINS WHY GENESIS IS MORE CREDIBLE THAN SCIENCE", but cant get the link to that thread now.

You did not make any thorough analysis of anything you just embarrassed yourself. .Toneyb completely destroyed all your ridiculous arguments. . .

2. Heaven and hell was not promised anyone prior to the coming of Jesus. Before the coming of Jesus, when a man dies it is over. . . .but Christ came with the promise of eternal life with Him. hell was also NOT created for man, but for condemned angels. . . . . .but under the new covenant in Jesus, all those who reject the gift of salvation are condemned and have subsequently chosen hell as a home. . . . heaven and hell is real. . .it aint a joke.

More deluded cries and fear mongering. . .Do you have any evidence for this myth?. . . any evidence to show that heaven or hell exist out side the bible and its selling point?. . .Do you have any evidence to show that there is a part of human existence that survives bodily death? Any evidence for the soul?. . . .Do you know what "real" means?. . .The sun is real. . .things are real ONLY when they can be verified. . .Where is your evidence for this mythical heaven and hell?. . .

noetic2:
c. There is NO law, commanment or injunction from God in the OT that allows for human sacrifice. Neither is there a priestly precedent.

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it[/b]. [b] Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

How do you guys read your bibles?

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=326310.msg4596993#msg4596993 date=1253712827]So you're not only heartless but also an aspiring militant? . . . .keep deluding yourself about you and jesus gyrating in heaven.[/quote] . . . .This is too funny. . . . .

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And Tudor, even if BinLaden were to give out a billion dollars to the needy, there'll still be fault with him. Why? Because his foundation is wrong.
  I wouldn't live in the beautiful edifice knowing that the foundation is faulty. The truth you don't know and which might be difficult for many to swallow, is this; we're living in a time when God commands us to love. Our love is from God. The time is coming when we'll come with Christ Jesus and destroy the NATIONS that do not believe in God (Rev 19:14-16). [b]We'll do it, because it's from God, the firm foundation. [/b]We know the winning side already, that's why we're in it and begging you now to join. All this wave of emotion that you're living in, is what it is, a wave. You cant buy it, can't keep it, can only see it. Pretty vain man

Why can't you guys just begin your militancy and start killing and destroying people that do not believe in your myth? . . . .And some christians go around talking about peace in the world when they believe that some day they will come with their imaginary jewish carpenter to kill and destroy those that do not share their delusion. . . What then is this boko haram or what? . . you guys are more deluded than I thought. . .

Atheists:
Originally l am   from Zimbabwe and when l came here l didn't expect to find vocal free thinkers, skeptics, agnostics and atheists who start god bashing threads every five minutes   Considering that Nigerian is considered  the most spiritual country in the world this has shocked me.

Sprituality or delusion. . .Nigeria is the country with the highest number of deluded fools in the world. . . .their delusion is super crazy. . .even the white men and arabs that brought christianity and islam are not as deluded as Nigerians. . . .

davidylan:
To start with you're not Nigerian.

Secondly atheists are not a very small minoritty in nigeria, there are actually a lot more who (unfortunately like you and numerous others on these boards) are cowards who dont have the conviction and guts to openly declare their godless status but prefer internet bullying.

Thirdly . . . and this goes to atheist too . . . i have often raised the fact that these spurious atheists are NEVER to be found tackling gods from other religions . . . they only seem most fixated on the bible, christianity and Jesus Christ. One would be tempted to think christianity is not a mere 1/6th of the world's population.

Face it . . . atheists are simply anti-christians.

This deluded goon is at it again crying all the time that atheist only attack christians. . .the lie these fools tell themselves so that they can feel important and keep on dancing in their mythical delusion. . . in fact all the atheist here were raised or forced to believe in the christian myth without their consents since when they were kids. . .There are atheist moslems boards on line and they use the koran and mohammed when declaring that god does not exist. . .no matter how you keep lying to your self your lie will never become the truth. . . .

When has this fool ever tackled any religion apart from islam. . . the fact that hypocrites like you are most fixated on the koran and no religion else says that christianity is simply anti islam. . . idiot. . . .

KunleOshob:
I do not belong to the school of thought that christianity is purely based on faith, there are a lot of factual and obvious truths involved which Jesus and the apostles went to great lengths to prove, Jesus actually went around doing miracles partly to prove his divinity and the apostles also performed miracles as evidence, they just didn't tell people to believe based on faith.

Interesting. . .The only evidence that Jesus was a miracle worker is the gospels and that is self is not an evidence. . .because if you read the works of other greek authors you will see where the write or talk about miracle working people. . .even josephus said that one emperor he wrote about died and ascended into heaven. . .

By the way did jesus not say that those that believe in him will do more wonders and magic than him so that people will see and believe?. . . .Why is it that people like you that truly believe in him are unable to do any of the things(wonders and magic) written about him even though you truly believe in him?. . . .

JeSoul:
Kunle,
   I believe you are condensing two very seperate and distinct issues into one over-simplified statement.

1. Paul taught us to scrutinize and test everything against and in the light of scripture.
2. This is very different from testing the scriptures itself. This is an undertaking (while in itself may be somewhat profitable) I do not think we are tasked with in/by the bible.

   We are preached a gospel, and subsequently expected to choose to believe it or reject it - not necessarily charged with the mission of researching and finding means to either prove or disprove it. The gospel of Jesus Christ was not meant to be proven - but rather simply believed and accepted from "start to finish", by faith.

 Extensive historical studies on christianity and the bible are definitely good, I'm not condemning that all. But let us not elevate such extra-biblical hobbies & assignments to a level the scriptures do not necessarily give them.

Don't you feel that there is a lil bit of double standard here? Christains claim that the bible and most of it's claims are to be accepted purely based on faith but go around attacking other religions and trying to disprove them through their historical claims, contradictions and errors that abound in their religious claims etc. . . when christains are shown their own historical errors and, contradictions and inconsistencies that abound in their own scriptures they say that faith alone is what matters. . .Is it faith that matters more or knowing that what you believe in is actually the truth?. . . .