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We should go and read more on your website and come back here to comment, right?

Hiswordxray:
Again, I'm not saying there is nothing like the individual. I have told you before that Christianity includes both the individual and the collective. We have focused too much on the individual side of it and ignore the collective. My point is that we are meant to focus on the collective even more than the individual.

@bolded, ... And there lies the bone of contention.

It's said three is a crowd, Jesus was crucified with two others on the cross, are you saying they experienced the same spiritual "activation" because they were crucified together?

Hiswordxray:
You would be judged based on how much you fill your part as a member of the body not as an individual Christian. For Christians judgement is not based on how much you have been holy, the truth is that you are already holy by the blood of the Lamb. But we would be judged because each member of the body have a part to play.

The hand has a unique role, the leg also has another role, same with various other parts of the body. If any part refuses to play its role to the fullest the whole body would suffer, it would not be able to function the way it suppose to.

The body of Christ has a specific assignment on earth and each member as a part to play in order to fulfill this assignment. If any member get entangled with the world and neglect his role the whole body suffers and God is waiting for such on judgment day.

This is why Paul said:
"Some will use gold or silver or precious stones in building on the foundation; others will use wood or grass or straw. 13 And the quality of each person's work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it. For on that Day fire will reveal everyone's work; the fire will test it and show its real quality. 14 If what was built on the foundation survives the fire, the builder will receive a reward. 15 But if your work is burnt up, then you will lose it; but you yourself will be saved, as if you had escaped through the fire." (1Cor 3:12-15).

For true believers judgment day is not about whether we would be thrown to hell or go to heaven, for we are already citizens of heaven. Judgment day is about the body, have you truly been a member of the body and played your part in the eternal purpose or have you lived a selfish life, indulging the flesh and ignoring the body.

@ bolded, It's obvious you don't even understand your own argument.

Playing your part connotes an individualistic action.

Wailers be like:
"this PMB sef, something that was approved in 1992 he wants to take the glory by implementing it."

Nice article just that the title doesn't sit so well.

Change the title "Essence Of Building The Wall Of Trust In Your Relationship" to "Essence Of Building The Wall Of Trust around Your Relationship."

I guess we build walls "around" our properties not "in" them.

You think those are applicable in Nigeria?

Hiswordxray:
The Bible says the Church is our mother. It is the mother that is responsible for reproduction. We become begotten of God because Christ had secured a woman. Without this woman you won't be begotten of God — you won't be a Christian today.

It's OK, you can shift the responsibility for your spiritual evolution to your mother, the church, but remember everyman shall face "judgement" alone; sorry, in your case the church will be there to testify in your defense.

Hiswordxray:
I am not saying there is nothing like the individual in Christianity. Yes there is the individual but there is also the collective body. What I'm trying to say is that emphasis should be placed more in the collective than the individual.
You interpreted that verse with an individualistic view and I tried to show you that it can also be interpreted with a view that emphasizes collectiveness. We Christians have focused too much on the individual and have lost the ability to discern the body.

We should learn to see Christianity more as a body or a community rather than many saved individual. We cannot be victorious as a Church until the body becomes more important than the individual.

Please reread my comments.

You cannot emphasize the collective at the expense of the individual "seed" because the process of rebirth and reproduction (physically or spiritually) is at individual level.

The individual seed that makes up the "body" must undergo this process individually not collectively.

greatgod2012:
BTW, that Diego lady might be sleeping while reading/writing, so don't blame her too much because Bi honestly can't find the correlation between the question and the jail she was screaming!

The correlation is "arrest"

Hahahhaahhahaa

The guy is correct, any thing that comes before "arrest," na jail term.

Police arrest.
Cardiac arrest.


Arrest na arrest.

A very scant article.

Why not just do copy and paste from Wikipedia, that would have been more educative?

When I saw the news on Channels TV, I expected they will show us a model of how the completed project would look like, but trust us, no time for such trivialities.

Hiswordxray:
You ignored this part:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except the grain of wheat falling into the ground die, it abides alone; but if it die, it bears much fruit."

The reason the grain must enter into the ground is so it would not continue to remain alone. It is not good for the grain to remain alone, it must pass through death just for the sake of becoming a collective body. This stress the importance of being a collective body.

That verse contains a great principle; one grain dies for the whole body to have life. If the grain didn't die there won't have been fruit. This shows that Christianity is not an individual thing, it is not all about you and you alone. If you refuse to die (experience the cross) many would suffer. But if you embrace the cross you would bring life to many.

Never become too individualistic and forget that we are a body, anything you do affect the whole body. Together we battle to apprehend this life that Christ have given us.

How is this different from what I said, except yours lay emphasis on collective experience?

@bolded, is that a collective experience or a an individualistic experience?

Which one comes first, the individual experience of death or the experience of being part of a collective body?

Even if "the seed" is inside a sack with a million other seeds, it abides unproductively and inertly alone. For that not to happen it must reenter the death - birth cycle.

That is Jesus in effect, technically explaining the concept of reincarnation.

Anybody that comes on social media to even hint at committing suicide most likely don't want to do it but needs help.

Though Suicide seems to be in vogue, that's why many people all of a sudden wants to try it out.

Isn't it fashionable to attempt/commit suicide?

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Looking at the above symbols, I saw the relationship: the intersect.
It's the same thing, just that it's looked at from different planes of reference.

And the questions flood in:

1) Do the lines touch at "the intersect" if viewed from 3rd, 4th, or 5th dimensional planes of reference?

2) What if that is the outline of the path man has to travel?

3) What if that is the outline of the trajectory of man and divine traveling perpendicular to each other, whose closest meeting point is "the intersect?"

4) In the light of 3), This gives a different meaning to the word 'passover,' the point where the path of man is passed over by the path of divine. If they "touch", a big bang occurs, a Christ is born.

5) A new trajectory is created every time 4) comes true.

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QueenSuccubus:
And why the hell i shud research ppol i dont even know?

#NONSENSE

I thought you said you were curious?

Hiswordxray:
Christianity started as a community. It was a group of people learning to follow Christ and to experience him together. Most of the letters Paul wrote were written to a community of believers not individual Christians. Together these community tried to workout their salvation and make themselves ready for the coming of their Lord. Christianity was a cult obsessed with Christ and learning to live the life of Christ in this hostile world. Together they learn to survive the hardship of their time, they carried the burden of each other and lived as one.
Over the years Christianity became more individualistic.

There was a growing emphasis placed on individually pursuing Christ. We began to inculcate the idea that every man is on his own. A lone-ranger style of Christianity began to creep in and take over the Church. It is the warlord of individualism, the agent of death, decay and disintegration. He gradually breaks loose that which hold together because he knows that one would chase a thousand but two would put ten thousand to flight. He dread unity, he attacks life and introduce death. Jesus came and gave life, that life grow into a body, a community. But death cannot stand it, he sent his warlord — individualism — to break into our midst. To force the Christian to focus on himself and gradually forget the body.

We have come to believe Christianity is just about me and God. And we say things like, "it is between me and my God". No, Christianity is us and God. If there is anything wrong in the relationship between you and God it affect the whole body of Christ. And if your relationship with God is very progressive the whole body benefit from it. Stop thinking it is all about you and you alone. Look at us, our theologies are individualistic, our messages are individualistic, our songs are individualistic and we are so plague by individualism.

Christians today talk a lot about personal salvation, personal experience of God, individual pursuit of the kingdom of God etc. The concept of the body has gradually fade away. We don't even know of the existence of such things as; experiencing Christ as a community; knowing him together as a community; pursuing salvation and the kingdom of God as a body etc. Paul said, "may be able to comprehend together with all God's people what is the width and length and depth and height — to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." (Eph 3:18-19).

We cannot know the width, length, depth and height of the love of Christ individually. It is together with all God's people that we can grasp the fullness of God. It is in a community that we have a greater knowledge of God. In the community we come in contact with different sides of Christ as he had deposited them in different people. We would be struck with awe at the diversity and beauty of the complexity of Christ.

We would find Christ in a richer way. Christianity is not all about you, you are not called to walk this journey alone. Set yourself free from the shackles of individualism and learn to discern the body.

http://hiswordxray..com.ng/2017/03/the-battle-of-individualism.html?m=1

So you are saying God sees us collectively not individually, blesses us collectively not individually?

You missed the point.

Jesus said:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except the grain of wheat falling into the ground die, it abides alone; but if it die, it bears much fruit."

"I tell you the truth, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, .... It remains an inert unproductive thing—"it abides alone."

Do you understand that?
Note the singular form of "the grain of wheat."
The experience of dying is a personal, individualistic affair, which is experiencing Creation.

That verse is highly coded and explains a lot of spiritual concepts, like yin-yang, reincarnation.
Lets not digress.

tosyne2much:
7. The use of Electronic Devices in place of Bible

The rate at which backwardness thrives in this part of the world is alarming that even the educated ones haven't found cure to it. I have heard so many pastors advising members to desist from Facebook, Twitter and BBM, if truly they want to make heaven. When you think you've heard enough, some christians will begin a moronic argumemt whether it's ideal for a Christian to use electronic device in place of a hard copy Bible, and the first thing you will hear is that how do one chase a demon away with an IPad? This stench of ignorance is usually common with those who can't afford these things, rather they condemn it

The first time I was confronted with that question was the day I realized how ignorant some people really are.

All my explanations to the history and evolution of writing and materials used to write on was like talking to a waving flag: pointless.

The follow up question was, "have you ever seen someone take an oath using an IPad?"

A88C:
it is obvious you can not diffrentiate between argument and giving out personal veiw. my post is not arguing anything from ur write-up. what am only doing is giving out my pratical veiw about the rational belive of the atheist. tthe church argument you want to engage me belong to the christain not me. i have giving out my own veiw about the fundamental belief of the atheist and that is all.

OK, I replace the "church view" with "your personal or practical view."
Are you happy now?

megareal:
The Bible says "train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

It simply boils down to training. Most parents believe growing up in a Christian home is enough, they don't take time to train and monitor. The children get out and meet others of different beliefs and practices, since they were not well grounded, its easy for them to be easily influenced and convinced .

Hahahahahahahahaha

@ bolded, Don't forget that also implies training the child to think for itself independent of "unnecessary" influences.

Omooba77:
It is not about demonising,but rebellious sir

What do you mean by "rebellious?"

Can you swim against a river current without meeting and overcoming the resistance posed by the river current, that wants and forces you to swim with the current?

That "river current" in this case are long held indoctrinations and belief systems.

Swimming against the current is inherent in freewill.

A88C:
spare me the crap. arrant nonsense. i still reapeat what aim do you wish to achived by this post？ you have not tell me anything you have just tell me how you feel. what you want achived in the post is simply to debunk the rational teaching of the church which still boil than to proof atheism make more sense than christanity. my post even by this standard is not out of the track . i am not a christain but i will still,entertain christanity instead of atheism.

It's obvious you can't see the cyclical nature of your argument, which you are striving to proof does not exist, that is your choice anyway.

I choose to ask questions (as evidenced in this thread) not to (dis)proof atheism or Christianity but to strengthen my resolve to "Spiritual evolution" and belief (albeit non-conforming to yours).

Christianity is back to where Judaism was when Jesus came, questioning the belief system and practices the pharisees and sadducees were defending - crystallized spirituality (religion).

Choosing to defend the Christian view does not make one better than another that chooses to defend the atheist view, don't just let it crystallize.

KingEbukasBlog:
The Deist who believes in God think they don't need Jesus
The Muslims think they don't need Jesus
The Buddhists are insouciant about the existence of Jesus
The followers of Jain don't care about Jesus
The Confucians are apathetic towards Christ
There are atheists who accept the moral teachings of Christ

Even Christ said this to his disciples in Matthew 16:24

“If anyone WISHES to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.”

As you can see it is not by force but by choice , you are not being coerced to need him

So tell me , why should anyone pay attention to this thread ? Give me one reason sir

Your observations and comments are enough reasons.

This is like a prequel/sequel or 2nd part of a story (the whole story.)

If you missed the 1st part go here...

https://www.nairaland.com/3560083/accuracy-religious-mathematics

In this episode, we will see that the reason why Jesus Christ came was to show us (man) that He (Jesus Christ) was/is not needed to make the answer to the "God" question/equation complete.

And religion that was supposed to show/teach us, that, ends up constituting itself into an authority (church) (that, which presupposes the existence of a balance that needed/needs counter-balancing), which is the question that Jesus came to answer, that he, as an answer to a question, is a question that was answered.


Moral of the thread:

You cannot go against river flow without resistance/rebellion.

Applicable Terms and Condition:

1) I created this thread to ask, get answers and create awareness about the content, context, and questions raised thereto.

2) I created this thread to discuss 1) above, I reserve the right to the content, context and questions thereupon, so if you want to refute any concept not contained in 1) above, please, create your "own" thread on that.

3) Questions raised in 2) above must be in context of 1) above.

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Kakaakinews:
“We Must Educate Our People Or Perish” - Babs Fafunwa
(1) In my country Nigeria, education is seen as the qualification to knowledge and a phenomenon to blend with the elite. Nigeria is carried away with certificate syndrome which is no longer a criteria for development in the developed nation.
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Recently, a governor (s) from the south - south geo political zone shows interest on who he wants to be the winner of the Big Brother Nigeria, cash doled out from the campaign and more concentration are on this plight. The Governor as reported, often abadon every other activity to watch the reality show, no big deal at that though, but how are the best graduating students of various states honoured?
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The multinationals have a lot to contribute, the #BBNaija is worth more than a billion naira, considering it's sponsorships, rights and the money raked from votes, plus the twenty - five (25) million naira prize for the winner, can education programme have this?
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Only if the Professors, scholars and various organisation such as ASUU, NASU, COEASU and other staffs association can stand up to this, not leaving the various students' union shying away for core responsibilities.
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Does education really matter?

Observations /Objections:
@bolded (1), that is a fallacy in today's reality.

@bolded (2), make that plural.

@bolded (3), how many departments (albeit facilities in universities in Nigeria) sits on such amount in budgets yearly for R & D ?

@bolded (4), how?
Are you advocating lecturers shroud be paid celebrity salaries?

@bolded (5), it depends on where you stand (your family's socio-cultural cum economico-political background) and the decree(s)/certification(s) you have had in school(s).

A88C:
if i ask irrelevant question here. pls quote . if it is irrelivant to what atheist belive is rational. the question i ask is not about the post. it is just to destroy the main fudamantal of athieism. pls spare me of this nonsense

Point of order:

1) I created this thread to ask, get answers and create awareness about the content, context, and questions raised thereto.

2) I created this thread to discuss 1) above, I reserve the right to the content, context and questions thereupon, so if you want to "refute the concept of atheism," please,
create your "own" thread on that.

3) Questions raised in 2) above must be in context of 1) above.

Thank you.

A88C:
gabbage. i read it and i understand it.

If you did understood it, why ask irrelevant questions?

A88C:
wait.what do you want to achieved here. i agree i did not respond to the topic has it is stated but am also not far from it . at least my post invalidate what atheist claim it is rational belive. if i may ask what is the aim of this thread？ am sure your anseer will validate my post

Oooooh!
So you are looking for validation?
You looked up the wrong tree.

@ bolded, If you read the thread you will know.

A88C:
dear mr fowl mouth， i have not step out of the post. i just give a broader answer for a slimmer question. an when student do that it simply means he he is nailing the point on the head

Mr broadminded, you said, " i may not directly respond to the,question but i did not also fail to break the concept behind it which is atheism are not logical"

I guess the bolded means "nailing the point on the head" not "beating about the bush." abi?

Giving a broader answer that fails to answer a slimmer question, in the context asked, is beating about the bush.

Shebi egg na egg?

sinaj:
Haba! This lady shouldn't leave us in suspense o!

She has to finish wat she started

Hahahahahahahahaha

You don't like suspense, abi?

Just relax it's fore play, the longer it last, the more intense your orgasm.

Sarassin:
A very good post indeed. It is a question of “whose God, whose land” As you know Melchizedek was Chief Priest of the “Most High”, the “Most High” being the Canaanite deity “EL Elyon” or simply "EL". Abraham came from the land of Ur which was further to the north of Mesopotamia in modern day Iraq, there’s a distinct possibility he came from even further north a place called Ura and that biblical compilers simply mixed up the names, he was in fact itinerant. He would have no knowledge of Yahweh prior to arriving in the land of Canaan.

If you know your ancient Canaanite history you will know that originally Yahweh was considered one of the seventy sons of “EL” the most high. It is therefore entirely appropriate that Abraham, the progenitor of the Israelites to whom Yahweh had been apportioned would pay obeisance to Melchizedek, King of Salim and High Priest of EL.

As always, Christianity does the right thing for the wrong reasons or should that be the wrong things for the right reasons?

I didn't question why Abraham paid obeisance to Melchizedek, but why we believe others didn't do same and by extension know the true God.

If Yahweh was one of seventy, why then are we told he is the only true God?

Such are the questions I want to draw our Christian attention to.