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Nokia 2600,
That was way back 2004, paid #10,000 for it in PH.
It seems like yesterday.

I think you should contest for president come 2019.

Hhhhhmmmmm
Marine Kingdom evil? Right.

... But how do we explain the first step of being accepted into the church or Christianity is to be baptised in a marine kingdom (water)?

Is Yahweh also living in the marine kingdom?

Tosinex:
I once had a galfrend.. Whenever I give her money things boom, my business increases.. When I told my mom she said the gal is from the marine I should be careful of her oo. What do you think.

I had similar experience, should have married her then but I fvcked up.

Tell him, Jesus said "the poor you shall always have"

OP and Dino Melaye remedied their SSCE together in ABU, Graduated with unfinished course work, did NYSC together in blue uniform.
And Dino remains an honorable member of the Senate.

ToseroRock:
People will be saying check yourself this and that as if a ladies attitude is the major thing that makes men cheat, a man who hasn't set the right standards for himself and who isn't ready to follow suit wouldn't stay faithful no matter what you do, they will just be cheating on you privately till they notice one fault from you then they go public.
Its really embarrassing how ladies go about condemning someone who isn't cheating and leaving the culprit himself. Christianity is a personal race, if you think God will accept you using your wife as an excuse for infidelity then i pity you. Good people are good people no matter what they encounter, they always go on their knees, apologise and set the record straights. Mugu be blaming everyone around for his inadequacies. I speak from experience.

... But this standard you speak of are not cast in space grade steel, right?

A standard set can be unset or made malleable, even for a period.
The Muslims know what I am talking about.

teeghurl:
If it were to be the other way round, wld you have waited for d wife to die before you remarry. Don't forget most of the things you read in the bible were written by human beings like you and I. That's why God has given us wisdom and spirit of discernment.

Some people prefer and are comfortable with their blinkers on.

TonyeBarcanista:
You need not ask such question.

The perfect will of God was that a man is joined with a woman to become one flesh as seen during the first marriage. Jesus reemphasised it in the book of Matthew.

Jesus, the Son of Man did not come to marry and bear kids, He came to show us the perfect way of living God's perfect will.

... And begetting perfect children in a perfect marriage was/is not part of God's perfect plan?

Ok ooo

TonyeBarcanista:
Define adultery....

I ask for who was punished for being promiscuous?
Is adultery not covered under promiscuity, Or I should give you a special definition?

gabrielniy:
Take a look at Matt 19:29. Jesus made reference to mother, father and wife (all in the singular), whereas the other stuffs He mentioned are in the plural. I hope this helps a bit.

Have you seen the original Hebrew to know which word was translated as singular or plural?

Just like the Hebrew word (nahash) translated serpent can also mean "wise".
Ever wonder why the serpent symbol is associated with healing, like Moses lifting up the brass serpent in the bible, the symbol of our medical profession, the structure of our DNA?

Yet we are made to believe the serpent is evil.

Show me a man that was punished in the Bible for being promiscuous or having a child with a woman other than his wife?

Don't say David, because he was only rebuked for killing a man, not for fvcking the man's wife, which was even in old testament that law was practiced.

or the woman that was taken before Jesus, nope.

The church (organized religion) is putting blinders on people instead of removing the veil.

Those that you, introvertme, call atheist, are probably those that have realized the blinders/blinkers on them and have or want it removed.

Those with the blinders/blinkers on are the Sheeple,
Those with the blinders/blinkers off or in the process of taking it off, are atheists.

Mothers' day
Mothering day
Murderers' day

I celebrate all the brave women that born, aborted and/or took care of the mess in our lives.

You may not be called to the podium for an award,
but we will never forget the risk you took:
going to the Labour room, in that midwife's backyard
going to the operating room, for the CS
going to that (quack) doctor for the D&C

You gave us an heir
You took away the shame
You made us, your men, proud
We are proud of you.

People just don't know the difference between rain, snow, hail.

All the same its a sign God approves Fayose's good works and attack on the FG.

dingbang:
you think God lowers his standards? You must be joking

Hahahahahahahahaha

It's like you have never opened a Bible before, God has no standard, it was bought and paid for by Jesus and handed over to you.
so you set your standard and God has no option but to approve it in Jesus Name, Amen (-Ra?)

Just imagining the guy having a three-some with his wives... How sweet.

I wish I could strike such a deal.

omenkaLives:
I didn't even take that nonsense serious. The mom isn't the subject matter here and her daughter certainly didn't ask her to speak on her behalf.

We all know the "Apossle" dipped his finger in the chocolate and licked it clean. Just like COZA GO and Ese, this will blow over with time. Oyedepo's assault on that little girl also blew over, TB Joshua's false prophecy and building collapse blew over, Oritsejafor's gun running scandal blew over, etc etc.

Remember, this is NIGERIA! We don't touch "Men of Dogs" in this country!

Pathetic but true.

To whom it may concern.

This is to certify that the bearer:

Daniel MELAYE (NYSC)
Daniel Jonah MELAYE (B.A. Geography, ABU)
Daniel Dino MELAYE (Diploma)
Melaiye Daniel Jonah O. (SSCE)

Is one and the same person and should be accorded the requisite support to complete his tenure in the Nigerian Senate.

Thank you.

mrvitalis:
I don't know if the read same bible ...u are meant to eat ur tithe in the house of the lord ...in a place were he will show u ...like use it to buy alcohol or what so ever ur soul lust after ..but as ur eating glorify the lord and remember the poor n the pastors ...

Dec 14 vs 22 read down to 30

That's the only place in the bible god told us how to spend our tithe and it never mentioned giving it to any body ..but as usual they won't tell u this in church

Sorry to say, there is always a loophole to be exploited in every system, the church saw that glossing over that part of scripture becomes a veritable loophole to amass wealth, and here we are.

Tithe was not for gentiles as they were not under the law, but now we are claiming to be "jews," have to show love and appreciation to God by tithing our money, and it ends there.

See us, defending the impossible, are we now redefining the law of Moses?

Tithes was meant for Levites, if you are not one, you have no business collecting tithes, simple. Yet people are looking for excuses.

Remember that man (non Levite) that rushed to steady the Ark from falling? Was he spared for acting on his emotions and good intentions?
The law is not about ones emotions.

Another baffling question is, if Christianity is built on and supported by Grace, what is the pillar of law (tithe) doing in the house?

mhizEvangee:
please, the OT bible was modified not Abolished.

now concerning pastors and offerings, this is what the bible say

Numbers 18:8
Offerings for Priests and Levites
Then the LORD said to Aaron, “I myself have put you in charge of the offerings presented to me; all the holy offerings the Israelites give me I give to you and your sons as your portion, your perpetual share

11.
Whatever is set aside from the holy offerings the Israelites present to the LORD I give to you and your sons and daughters as your perpetual share. It is an everlasting covenant of salt before the LORD for both you and your offspring.”

Take note of the last part of 11....EVERLASTING CONVENANT

God made a promise to Abraham saying"I will make you the father of many nations. even when Abraham slept with their maid, the convenant wasn't broken. It it had, then the story of Jesus would never be known because Jesus is also a descendant of Abraham.

Convenants are not meant to be broken

The debate here is not about offering, unless you are telling us tithe is synonymous with offering.

Sanchez01:
Like I mentioned in the other post, most of the wars were either based on land tussle or retribution. Israel never fought for pride. Again, Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. If we were, we would be the ones doing the killings all over as you find Muslims insult Christians and Jesus Christ and nothing happens. Christ is the true reflection of who a Christian should be like.

And it never occurred to you to ask why Yahweh would promise the Israelites a land that already belong to another people, when there were probably virgin lands elsewhere?
Retributions? When there was no prior conflict them those people?

Note, there was at no time in the Bible God directly asked that a people be annihilated for sinning greatly against Him. Most of these nations had an encounter with Israel at some point Israel, being God's people did not hold. It would interest you to know that David was the greatest warrior in the Bible because God was solely behind him. Yet, God refused that he built the Temple because this blood on his hands were too much. Funny yeah?

Even right from the time of the Old Testament, Israel understood one thing as mentioned by Moses - God fights all battles, peace is ours for the taking.

We can't fight for God, so we believe as Christians and this is in accordance to the teachings of Christ.

very funny, You didn't proofread that?

“great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, and houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full”.
(Deut 6:10-11)
Is that not a call to holocaust?

Even in the face of freewill, sin is a reproach. That you give your kids liberty to do whatever they want and, God forbid, they chose to steal and do all sorts, even in the face of freewill, you'll scold them. Just as it is with God is the same way it is with God.

Well, you see there is nothing like freewill, in the true sense of the word, because you can't say, or do as you like.

So they say. Egypt had several gods just as Babylon and Sumer. Their operations of worship was quite simple. They had main gods and smaller gods which didn't make people notice the smaller gods. Egypt in particular had gods for everything; the god of the sea, moon, stars, rain, harvest, etc.
And these three mentioned by you had one thing in common - human sacrifice. So if you say they preached peace yet sacrificed humans to Enki and the other gods, then perhaps I'm at a loss for the word 'peace'.

Hahahahahahahahaha
Read my comment again.

Check up Pharoah Akhenaten

Do you have a link to the literature that shows Egyptian practiced human sacrifice or humans were sacrificed to Enki, the creator of man?
If you know Enki, who is Yahweh in relation to him?

Fortunately, it did. What led to the wars, who suffered more casualties, how many wins and how many losses, all are recorded in the Bible.

I guess the Bible told you about Enki?

Why was Israel commanded to practice such complete destruction? Because the greatest sins of the Canaanites were spiritual: When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.

There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.

For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you. (Deuteronomy 18:9-14)

I am not making excuses for the profane worship practices of some of those nations, aside the oppression of the Israelites in Egypt (which cause the Bible sheds little light except "there arose a Pharoah that knew not Joseph) was there any other conflict, religious or otherwise?

Come to think of it, it seems Yahweh was a totalitarian dictator, or there is something we are not told, who taught those people soothsaying?

Again, the lives of Christians are not directed by Israel or blood lust. The Old Testament was never our standard.

Yea, you are right. The old testament was for Israelites and the new testament was for us, the gentiles, because Jesus came among us for us.
And That is why the nation of Isreal has less than 5% Christian population.
We are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, we don't ask why.

Prices of items in the market went up because dollar exchange rate was high, now that the exchange rate has come down, why hasn't there been a corresponding decrease in the prices of things in the market?

I know someone will say, "traders get to offload their stock bought at the high Exchange rate" forgetting when the price was jacked up, they bought their stock at a prior lower exchange rate.

Pastafarian:
in simple terms, it simply means whatever a god commands is right and it would be wrong not to follow it, eg when Yahweh commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaanite children, it would've been wrong for the Israelites not to kill them

basically, anything my god commands is right no matter what my opinion or disagreement with it may be "because my understanding of the situation is limited unlike that if my god"

do you subscribe to this?

Well, based on this submission of yours this whole discourse is a nullity and ultra vires, why do we blame or criticize the Muslims then?

Sanchez01:
While I wouldn't want us to derail the topic at hand, it would be fair to explain your questions.

Why did God's own people attack others without provocation?
1. It was for the lands. God had promised His people a Promised Land and even while there were inhabitants occupying the land, it was not theirs as it rightfully belongs to God.
2. For blood retribution (I'll get to this later).

Facts to remember

First, the Promised Land belonged to God before the Canaanites established temporary residency there. It had always been his plan to give this land to the descendants of Abraham: “In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here” (Genesis 15:16a). The Lord did not take from the Canaanites that which was “theirs”—he reclaimed that which was his according to his foreordained purposes.

Second, the Canaanites lived in wicked rebellion against the will and purposes of God. The Lord had predicted that Abraham’s descendants would claim the land when “the sin of the Amorites” reached its “full measure” (Genesis 15:16b). This “full measure” of sin was attained by the Canaanites in the generation leading to the Jewish conquest.

Moses warned his people about these sins they would encounter upon entering the Promised Land: “Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead” (Deuteronomy 18:10-11). He stated that anyone who practices such sins is “detestable to the Lord,” and explained that “because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you” (v. 12). Those who were conquered by Joshua and his armies were not innocent victims, but wicked sinners who received the judgment their transgressions had warranted.

Third, the blood retribution practiced by ancient tribal culture required the Jewish armies to destroy not only the soldiers of their enemies, but their families as well. So long as one member of a family remained, that person was bound by cultural law to attempt retribution against the enemies of his people. Such unrest and hostility would have persisted throughout the nation’s history, with no possibility of peace in the land. What appears to be genocide was actually the way wars were typically prosecuted.

Fourth, in these formative early years of Israel’s history it was imperative that the people be kept from the influence of sinners without or within their nation. The holy God who gave them their land would uproot them from it if they rebelled against him (Deuteronomy 28:63-68). This warning came to pass centuries later at the hands of Assyria and then Babylon, and ultimately in the national destruction wrought by Rome in the first century of the Christian era.

And so God had to bring severe judgment against Achan, lest he and his family spread the cancer of their disobedience within the nation. He ordered his people to destroy all they found within Canaanite civilization, lest it continue to tempt them to disobedience and eventual destruction. We find similar severity during the formative years of the Christian movement in God’s judgment against Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11).

And you must understand this, all these happened thousands of years ago. Christ came into the picture and showed that practices of the past should be done away with, by demonstrating what it means to be at peace all round. And even in the face of stiff persecution, he still demonstrated love by rebuking Peter who cut off a soldier's ear.

I wish I could apply the equation to the Koran but it doesn't work that way. So how then do you justify 'when/if God commands you to take up arms and kill in Islam'?

We are created by God, yes, but He gives us the free will to act and choose as we live. He only acts on the lives of those who allow Him to.


Can we not exhibit dogma, please? Thank you!

Your explanations are sound, based on the Israelites report, it does not nullify the fact that they went to war on the command of their God.

If those nations sinned(?) against God when they were operating freewill, what has that got to do with the Isrealites? It's the same thing with the Muslims attacking others (especially Christians) for sinning against their God.

So God created man, gave him freewill and still wants to control man, what's is the essence of freewill in the first place?

Before the coming of Jesus, there was monotheism and others that preached peace and morality in Egypt, Greece, Babylon, Sumer, etc.

The Bible does not tell us the whole story as it affected the ancient world but from the perspective of the Isrealites. It's like talking exclusively about the Biafran war in isolation, devoid of the role played by the superpowers of the day.

Now Jericho was over ran by the Israelites, but they didn't settle in that city, why?

... But I know better because other historical records reveal there was more than what the Bible records.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

Sanchez01:
Tackling your second paragraph, God cannot command His own to war with others or hack them down. God in Himself is love. Whether within His fold or not, we all enjoy His love. Therefore, it doesn't make sense when we fight for God or think we are doing His work by killing or forcefully converting for Him.

It is not a question of 'when or if' as God would not command you to war with people you don't know, let alone have issues with.

How does this your submission align with biblical records of attack on Jerusalem, Jericho, Canaan and other cities by the Israelites?
What issues did they have with those nations while they (Israelites) were in Egypt or prior?

That is just the Bible side of the equation, can you apply that your logic to the Koran side of the equation?

Efewestern:
humans will always find excuse for there evil actions, today it's religion, tomorrow it's tribe, next it's race, so you see, that's how we are programmed.

And we are told God created (programmed) us, right?

fratermathy:
God will not come from his abode and ask any person to kill. If anyone says God asked him to kill, he must certainly be schizophrenic.

I do not deny the fact that people kill in the name of God and religion. However, I am advocating that those who do so should be treated as criminals and nothing more than that. It is not a religious affair. It is a purely criminal affair. It takes a murderer to kill another in the name of religion. Even if God himself asks you to kill someone, if you are not a killer, you won't heed that call.

That does not tally with biblical and historical facts.

When the children of Israel attacked Canaan, Jericho, etc on their way to the promised land, what can you say was the quarrel between them, apart from the command from Yahweh that those lands were given to them (Israelites) as an inheritance?

Mind you, Jerusalem had existed and had always been a contested city even before the coming of the Israelites, why?

Are you saying, Joshua and his men that carried out that military campaign were murderers?

"To the pure all things are pure, to the profane all things are profane" and it takes a human to do either.

... But what would you do if/when your God commands you to war against or hate a people you had/have no quarrels with?