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kahal29:
https://thenationonlineng.net/10-takeaways-from-oshiomholes-victory/

OP,
Tinubu deserves the credit for saving Oshiomhole, not Buhari. Buhari has had several similar meetings and at one point declared that the organs of the party must be allowed to function without undue intervention. Tinubu fired a speech and a letter and in 48hrs everything is falling in line.

Cherez:
Lol
And no Igbo leader has been linked to drugs or fraud abroad, can we say same of yours?
Baba Tinubu and Kufuriji has been on drugs in America since the Escobar times, Igbo guys just dry learn the trade. Even Fela was a drug addict even before Igbo people knew of weed

Shut up and focus on the subject. Its not a drug bust.

Igbo people have finally succeeded in teaching Yoruba youths crime, including how to take what does not belong to them.

Igbo stop corrupting my people o!

'The Great Debate'.......
hearing the title you will think it's something grandeur, an occasion out of which a master plan and strategic policy or action plan would emerge from which to position Igbo as the ultimate candidate come 2023. Not knowing its a sham!

To highlight their cluelessness they invited NFC, NCG and AFC, all Arewa groups to 'The Grand Debate'.

....Arewa has labeldd it 'The Grand Confusion'.


They even told Arewa to allow them presidency so they can show their superiority. What an audacity!

See as Arewa don rubbish Ibo's grand debate now.


So whats next

husbandsnatcha:
...shut up
...did I say I missed u

Aah, you dont need to say. Its written all over the way you call my name.

imhotep:
But Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu from Okpanam in Delta was 100% an Igbo man

cc lzaa afamed gmbuharii metaphysical

Did you see okpanam in the list

husbandsnatcha:
...Amotakyn directors metaphysical and Helinues answer me pls, since any tribe can be recruited so do women from South south ,SE or middlebeliti

Cc Immhotep adaibeku and Lzaad

And Johnmartus mind ur fulani self

I miss you too sweetie!

OgboAto:
And the anointer of Oyo Ile was Ooni abi?

The history of town rituals is couched in Ifa & these rituals are often said to have been done by Babalawo, examples abound & Odu used to establish several Yoruba towns abound. Not one mentioned Ooni going to do rituals for any town.

What is certain is, neither you, not I & not even the Alaafin knows exactly what the creation of Oyo was like but what is clear is, at the time Oyo was founded Ife 1. Did not have or use Ooni 2. Ife was headed for a string of years by those who wanted it to remain as a confederacy 3. No Ooni does rituals, not even Oduduwa shrine is under his purview. All of these are facts & are still in operation here.

I've made my point clear in my 3 posts & I'm done here. Peace & blessings to you.

I told you we will clarify these points using simplistic steps. Weare getting there.

1 - You have admitted that Ife preceeded Oyo
2 - You admitted that Yoruba towns are first spiritually cleansed before settlement
3 - You admitted Priests do the cleansing.

I have never mentioned Ooni in the two questions I asked, all I have done is focused on land and priests and the relationship between the two.
I have not said anything about Ooni in my two questions.

The next question is Oyo Ile was walled. Ife was not and Ife came before it. Why was Oyo Ile walled and Ife, or any other Yoruba city was not?

From Noah Ebije, Kaduna

The outgoing Secretary General of Arewa Consultative Forum (ACF), Mr Anthony Sani, had on March 5, attended debates organised in Abuja by the Igbo leadership worldwide on 2023 presidency, restructuring, amongst others.

The event code-named, the Great Debates , were organised by Igbo Leadership Development Foundation and Gregory University, Uturu and World Igbo Summit Group.

In this interview with Sunday Sun, Mr Sani shared his experience at the debates, saying that the Igbo are confusing the race for 2023 presidency with the issue of restructuring the country.

The ACF outgoing scribe also spoke on other national issues. Excerpts:

You participated in the great debates by Igbo on Federal Character, restructuring, rotational presidency and national unity, which took place in Abuja recently. May we share your experience?

Yes, I honoured the invitation and participated in the conversations, which was a healthy development. I was about the last to speak after listening to most contributions. Not everybody had the same opinion. Some were very cocky by saying it is either the country is restructured and Igbo given presidency or they go their separate ways. There were others who even said Nigerians should beg Igbo to be president and apply their superior attributes in providing good governance. Yet we had those who posited that Igbo should come to terms with the reality that power is never secured through threats and intimidation and not given out of affirmative action of pity. More so in a multi-party democracy, which has not developed national consensus or law that are binding on all political parties in so far as politics of identity is concerned. To this group, Igbo should develop a winning game plan and reach out persuasively to all sections of the country, since only a pan-Nigerian platform can produce a president of any ethnic extraction.

As to the calls for restructuring, some speakers said there is no clear understanding of the term restructuring. This is because there are those clamouring for fiscal federalism, others hanker for resource control and still there are those agitating for resource ownership, whatever that means. Still some of us called the attention to the fact that Nigeria has been restructured severally, be it geopolitical, by forms of government and by way of economic models, all of which work in other climes. For examples, the presidential and parliamentary systems are working well in America and Britain respectively while a combination of the two works well in France. State capitalism is working well in China. All these make one shudder to think the problems of the nation may not be with the structure of the country, with forms of government or with economic models, but may lie on the door step of our distorted values that have affected our sense of what is right and what is evil. But if we must restructure at all, it should be done democratically. This is because it is the absence of national consensus on solution of national problems that has provided for multi-party democracy which allows political parties to represent distinct methods of addressing national challenges as contained in the party manifesto, which the party uses to canvass for electoral mandate needed for implementation. That is how multi-party democracy works.

Some Nigerians have asked President Muhammadu Buhari to resign over increasing issues of insecurity in the country, just the way he (Buhari) told the then President Goodluck Jonathan to resign over insecurity. Would you say what goes around, comes around?

When Buhari told President Jonathan to resign, it was in response to observations that insecurity was always on the increase and the then President Jonathan appeared helpless at that time. The situation now is not the same precisely because the regime has tamed activities of Boko Haram and has consigned them to fringes of Northeast. No single attack claims over a hundred people let alone thousands (anymore) reminiscent of the past where some single attacks could claim a thousand people. No more high profile killings. In short, there have been progressive reduction of number of people being killed since the emergence of the current regime under the watch of President Buhari. The recent setback is not enough for anybody to call on the president to resign, given the fact that the president is making consciously directed effort to put a permanent end to the security challenges. I do not think the situation is beyond redemption despite paucity of enough resources to prosecute the campaigns and address the underlying causes at the same time.

The Federal Government recently admitted that the Boko Haram insurgency is targeting Christians in order to cause war in the country. And the Christians under the banner of Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) have expressed gratitude to the government for confirming the alarm they have been raising over killings of Christians in the country. What is your reaction?

Anybody who says Boko Haram targets Christians in order to cause sectarian war is not wrong, yet it is tantamount of playing to the gallery. I say this because the sect has made it public that it is a Jihadist, which makes it enemy of Christians. But because of the manner they kill people and desecrate Islam, informed minds have since put a lie to their claims that it is jihadist to further the cause of Islam. Most people and moderate Muslims have come to accept the fact that Boko Haram is not a religious sect, but making a feint of Islamic religion as strategy to recruit canon fodders and put a crimp between Muslims and other faith in the hope of engendering sectarian conflict. That explains why President Obama had to deliver a speech to Arab league in which he made a clear distinction between Islam and terrorism that earned him the Nobel Prize. That singular action enabled the formation of coalition of 66 countries of different faiths which resulted in taming the activities of IS in Iraq and Syria. I believe Boko Haram is seeking to engender sectarian war, and we must not help them achieve their aim by pandering to what they say or claim to be.

The Federal Government is also looking at the possibility of rehabilitating and even sending to overseas repentant Boko Haram members. Many Nigerians have condemned this move. Do you also condemn the move?

We must know that many members of Boko Haram are recruited by force and radicalized into the sect. And given the number of youths so recruited, I believe those who repent and surrender their arms should be rehabilitated and reintegrated to society by some form of process of de-radicalization. And I do not see anything wrong if an agency is given the responsibility and task to de-radicalize, rehabilitate and reintegrate into society members of the sect who repent and surrender their arms. We must not lose sight of the import of this fact that when comity of nations invites warring factions for peace talks in Geneva, it is not that the world likes the killings in the war and encourages the parties, but to stop further killings.

Some prominent Nigerians, including northerners, have said that the North has no business holding unto the presidency beyond 2023, and that power should shift to another region of the country. What is your advice here?

I am honestly tired of answering this question from the media. We are in multi-party democracy, which allows only political parties to field candidates for elective offices. And in the absence of national consensus or law that is binding on the political parties, one wonders how those hankering for politics of identity symbolized by rotation and zoning hope to enforce it.

The Chairman of Northern Elders’ Council (NEC), Alhaji Tanko Yakassai, who is also a member of the ACF has said that it is Southwest and the North that have put Nigerians into suffering because of the age-long educational disparity. Do you agree with him?

I do not know how the Southwest and the North have used education to put Nigerians into suffering, considering when and how Western education reached the South and the North were not influenced by both the Southwest and the North. Education reached Southwest a century earlier than it reached the North. And because missionaries were the vehicle through which education reached the country and the North, Muslims resisted it in the belief that it was a tacit way of converting Muslims to Christians. I, therefore, see the wide gap in education between the North and the South as due to circumstances of history and of birth that were not determined by both regions. I think there should be consciously directed effort to bridge the gab in education that is instrument of empowerment. This should be by both the national and state governments. This is because reduction of inequality is not only good economics, but good politics as well.

Many Nigerians are saying that the North is delaying in coming up with its own security outfit like Amotekun in Southwest since insecurity is very high in the North. What is your take here?

Is there anything that suggests Amotekun is a success in the Southwest worthy of emulation? I still believe the problems of the Nigerian police lie in the dearth of enough number of trained and adequately equipped personnel. If the personnel of Amotekun are not enough, not well trained and equipped adequately, they would still not be the magic wand. I do not believe in multiplication of geopolitical zonal or regional security outfits.

Do you support Shege Ka Fasa security outfit unveiled recently by a Coalition of Northern Group for the region?

I told you I do not believe in multiplication of security outfits, but in a Nigerian police, which personnel are enough and well trained and adequately equipped to deliver on the promise of their mandate.

What about the call for a brand new constitution on the grounds that the 1999 Constitution has not been sired by the people, but by the military?

I differ with those who make such submissions precisely because the 1999 Constitution is a clone of that of 1979 which processes of its emergence was fashioned after America’s. You would recall in 1978, a 50-member Constitution Drafting Committee was put in place to draft a constitution under the Chairmanship of Justice Udo Udoma. Chief Awolowo declined to serve in the committee. Hence the epithet of the “49 wise men”. The draft constitution was debated by an elected constituent assembly under the chairman of Chief Rotimi Williams. The outcomes of the debates became the 1979 Constitution under which many people who participated contested elections. Such people included Shagari, Aminu Kano, Bola Ige, Akande, Ajasin, Solomon Lar, as well as Chief Awolowo, Zik and Mbakwe. After the military interventions, General Abacha convened a constitutional conference, which produced the 1995 Constitution that was never used. And when General Abdulsalami Abubakar wanted a constitution with which to hand over power, he appointed Justice Nicki Tobi to chair a committee for a new constitution using that of 1979 and 1995 as inputs. The Tobi’s Committee went round the country and came out with the people’s verdict that he should adopt the 1979 as the constitution. Hence the cliche that the 1979 is a clone of 1999. So, how is the 1999 Constitution not sired by the people? If we believe the constitution is not perfect, there is no qualms in tempering with it. But it is not right and fair of anybody to suggest it is a military constitution. It is instructive to note that the American constitution is just a few pages and Britain does not have a written constitution while Nigeria has a whole book called the constitution that is observed more in the breach. J. P Morgan was he who said however good the constitution, its usefulness to the society has to do with the judgment of the implementers.

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/igbo-confusing-2023-presidency-with-restructuring-sani-outgoing-acf-secretary-general/

Anambra is a village.

See news!

Pastor prays for patron of miyettiallah.

A new faction that will be called nAPC is in formation to decamp to PDP and plot a 2023 grab.

Nothing has changed. Absolutely Nothing!!

Norabay:
i love tacha own mercy is wearing mosquito net

What is that magic wand Tacha holds?

I fear women.

OgboAto:
You & I do not know if & what rituals were performed at the inception of Oyo.

And if Oranmiyan founded Oyo indeed then Ife history indicates that the rulership of Ife at the time of Oyo founding had gone back to those who strongly opposed the creation of Ife. As such, there was no way any 'Ooni' would have partook in the rituals of Oyo if that is your bullseye.

Oyo-Ife intermix began & ends with Oranmiyan. Oyo in its early years was a 'bitch' to Owu, Bariba & Tapa. It was getting chased around to form Kishi, Igboho & so on. With a chequred early history, the rituals & rites were homegrown deriving from the peculiarities of the experiences & geography. As we can see they have their homegrown Ogboni, Sango cult etc.

Stop relaying someone else's thoughts. Think for yourself!

Do you believe that any land in Yoruba territory will ever be settled without first been cleansed spiritually and invocations to the ancestors are recited for their blessings and assistance to the land?

You will not find Yoruba live anywhere that has not first been sancretized and a shrine will be built for dedication to the prptective deities over such land.

A shrine is not a house...not just anybody show up to build a shrine. It is done by Priests.

The Priests that built shrines in Oyo Ile, where would they have come from?

Speak from your own intellect and not repeat what was written for you.

If you cant think independently then drop the argument.

Focus on those two questions i originally asked....stop the nonsense about bariba and owu and tapa.

1. Someone of a priest status would have attended to the land in Oyo Ile before settlelement. This is Yoruba philosophy.

2. Since Oyo was founded much after Ife, from where would the priests and shrine builders have been sourced to anoint Oyo Ile?

OgboAto:
My oga, I do not know what premise this conclusion of yours is based upon but it is false.

The spiritual/political allotment was a short-term solution in the immediate post-colonial period for Oyo/Ife supremacy struggle in the pre-Osun state days.

Ooni does not play any spiritual, divine or esoteric role both in Ile-Ife or Yorubaland at large. Every esoteric matter in Ife is a prerogative & inheritance of the descendants of the deity concerned. Ko si eleyi to kan Ooni rara not even Oduduwa which is under the custody of Idio lineage headed by Obadio. Let us stop this misinformation, it makes no sense. Also Yoruba kings go to the agbo ile they derive from for sword of state not the Ooni, it is totally out of the purview of the Ooni. For instance, Alaafin & Oba Bini for instance go to Chief Eredunmi, Oranmiyan's chief-priest for sword of state. Ko kan Ooni at all.

Alaafin is the political head of Oyo & towns with Oyo origin mostly to the west of our landscape. We know those originally referred to as Yoruba & Alaafin arrogated headship of Yoruba to himself in the colonial times within the context of those who were Yoruba at the time.

Alaafin has too many seniors ahead to lay claim to any leadership of any rank among Yoruba Oba. And also the legitimacy of Oyo as a kingdom needs to be questioned considering the present was a makeshift & not the orginal that was already dead. The Oyo were a conquered and dispersed people. The Oyo of today is not the same as the Oyo of Katunga - it takes away that militancy, diplomacy & politics you have ascribed to Oyo. You should give all of those to Ibadan instead. Going by proper history, the Alaafin lacks any modicum of merit to all you have ascribed to him.

There are militant towns, Oyo was a tributary town to Owu till its collapse. Military exploits is not a yardstick for relevance. Ibadan posed threats to Oyo & in/directly insulted Alaafin at various points too. Ibadan held on to that military record till colonial era as such, matters bordering on military/diplomacy should be under the purview of Olubadan not any Alaafin.

Finally, if the legitimacy of the crowns of all Yoruba Oba come from the Ooni & the Ooni is at the center as the adhesive holding Yoruba kingdoms together as one before, during & after colonial era then he's the political head of Yorubaland.

We will resolve this in very simplistic steps.

Answer these questions -

1. In order of creation, history places Ife and Ooni ahead of Oyo and Alaafin.

2. Oyo Ile was a sacred city, and certain rituals would have been performed at its inception. Similarly, Alaafin would have been coronated and installed using certain rites.

Who were the priests that would be responsible for dedicating Oyo and as well authorising position of divine power on the coronated Alaafin? What was the origin of such priests?

profmnuhu:
May his soul rest in peace

Amen!

Macsjebs:
source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/huge-wolf-shot-dead-quiet-21685626

Op, which one be "man-sized wolf"?
All wolves are man sized.

Officialgarri:
Stupid as it may sounds, I sometimes prefer Anarchy to Democracy.
Democracy is a father of tyranny. If Democracy doesnt breed tyranny, how can the daughter of an elected officer shut the people up for grumbling and even boasting about academic qualifications that was most likely bought.
Abi is it not the same Ganduje that was stashing money like a common greedy criminal in his garment?

Due to the freedom without boundaries in Democracy, a Politician (also a tyrant in disguise)—a democratic man— has enough wealth to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
Despite the hard evidence against Ganduje, the Animal farm law that we have cannot even allow him to be prosecuted.
How can a law that punishes a common man still give immunity to a rich man. Isn't that Democrazy?

That same wealthy thief could even go ahead to dethrone a customary ruler. Ahh!!

I must agree with Plato, the great Philosopher, who believes Aristocracy could be the best system of Government and Democracy is only next to Tyranny.

When politicians abridged tradition to install Sanusi ahead of well qualified and eligible candidates we did not hear all these philosophies. Now that politics has dethroned Sanusi he has been made into a wooden hero.


Please review the trajectory of Aminu Bayero, the present Emir. Eligible princes are first tested in public administration by giving them wards, councils, towns and cities to head and after the test and proven maturity they are elevated to head an entire domain.

Which ward has Sanusi ever headed?

He is not a proven people leader. He lacks the finesse to rule a domain. The competencies and skillsets of a orator are quite different from that of a public administrator.

Emirship calls for public administration, not oratory.

The reason people loved Late Ado Bayero is because of his competency in public administration and when Rimi sought to dethrone him the subjects took to streets and rioted against Rimi. In fact they besieged Govt House calling for Rimi to come out and get dealt with. Kano govt house is in a campus and the Gov residence itself is further in and away from road access. If it was any close to street and accessible Im sure the mob outside would have breached security and kill their Gov for his audacity.

How many people in Kano has lifted finger in support of Sanusi? None!
They stand by their governor and his action. It is only Rufai in Kaduna that is rushing up and down shoring up Sanusi. El Rufai himself ought to be reprimanded for abandoning government work to attend to Sanusi for three days.

Abeg lets drop all the philosophical nonsense and political correctness. Sanusi is incompetent....he is loved for hos style of oratory, thats all!

That is Kaduna State Govt guest house in VI.

There are two separate points in that statement.

1. Legality of his removal
2. Reinstatement.

The court has jurisdiction on 1 but not on 2.


Sanusi is saying the court will rule the Governor removed him unjustly. If that happened it will only be matter for record. If he asked for a relief, the most he will get is monetary compensation, there will be no reinstatement as Emir. The court has zero power to install, remove or reinstate a traditional ruler.

The court can tell Ganduje his action was illegal but it cannot tell him to reinstate Sanusi.

IlovePMB:
Prof Maurice Iwu has done that already.

Yeah, i can see the result on COVID19 map. Great job!

RichBoy247:
You must be DreamWeaver. Didn't you see how we prevented saboteurs and enemies within from voting during the last governorship election? We will never allow back stabbing visitors to vote in Lagos again. So, forget about any position for strangers and visitors in Lagos.

If your surname does not contain Ola, Olu, Akin, Ade, and other Yoruba names then forget it.

I endorse this message!

senatordave1:
By 2027,it may be very hard for tinubu to retain lagos.i think he may cede the deputy guber post to a non yoruba tribe which may be igbos or hausas with their ever growing population in lagos

Mynd44
Caseless
Orjiofor
Metaphysical
Mekaboy
Metahuman
Simplyleo
Officialgarri
Helinues

When we tell you Igbo is a non-entity in Lagos and Nigeria generally you refuse to believe. Now you have confirmed it here with this thread.

You spent years clamoring for positions in Lagos politics and you failed. To strenghten your position you have started now to add your slave master join.

This is admission of weakness. This means you, Igbo, cannot by yourself get anything done in Lagos unless it is approved by others.

olabukola:
Someone sent me this picture yesterday, the overall best student of LASU 2019 and she happened to bear a non Yoruba name. Are we seriously lagging behind in our own backyard? To make matters worst I learnt the Gov gave her a cash gift of 250k and automatic employment. This is capital flight sort of and a job lost. We need to wake up.

Academy in Yorubaland is for excellence, regardless who it is. Dont mix it up with Culture and Politics of Yorubaland.

tiredoflife:
I also noticed he made it clear that under the 16yr war
The alafin throne not the ooni of Ife throne wrote the British
Hmmmmmmm no wonder the alafin doesn't recognize the onni of ife as its superior
He said the alafin as head of all yoruba Obas
What does this mean

Alaafin is the political head of Yoruba.
Ooni is the spiritual head of Yoruba.

This has been covered several times.

In matters of divine spiritual worship and esoteric powers Ooni is first. In matters of military, politics and diplomatic relationships Alaafin is first.

The issue in Ekiti is political.

Igbo should help find cure for coronavirus o!

Look at Edo people feeling funky. Asking if a gov can remove their Oba.

Who gave him staff of office and letter of appointment, no be governor? Mmmmmmmtcchew....


Imhotep come and see your biafran brothers wanting to know if their Oba is above governor or not.

T9ksy:
You forgot the ibo vice presidential candidate (in the last election) to another fulani overlord- the one and only effeminately-spoken Peter obi


https://www.nairaland.com/5731989/peter-obi-attacked-internet-trolls