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History555:
Op, where are your pictures. Abi you no get phone

You no well. Make i take picture so your kidnappers can track my vicinity.

If you ask for picture again me and you go fight.

According to police, the suspects, Paul Okafor and Duru Favour , are said to be engaged in kidnapping and trafficking of young Nigerians to perpetrate cyber-crime activities in the country.

Before nko...who do we expect to see if no be Okafor? Mmmtcheeew.

I bet he is from Anambra.

If there are no enemies Ibo will just perish from earth.

Everything in Ibo consciousness is appraised from a position of enemy and conflict.

Do you ever have friends?

EbenezerTriumph:
hahahaha see as Namdi KANU brainwash this one.
Chai Ipobs I pity una.
IJOBA2 LZAA imhotep metaphysical abeg make una come carry una pikin chai.

I will battle una on Ngozi and anyone else....but not Dora.

Dora Akunyili is loved everywhere in Nigeria. If she was still alive I would vote for her.

So abeg make una no fight on a thread created in her memory.

Igbo Amaka!
This is for Dora.....

Osaze007:
Continue to educate us on the poto poto region and don’t derail

Yes boss!

The noise we are hearing is Fulani planning to invade a nearby village. The villagers are unsure what to do. Its sad how pople can be in this unfortunate situation. FG is screwed.

Its not bad here as far the town. On my way coming though i saw plenty eyesore. Iboland is a glorified village.
You will be surprised Imo state is far more developed than Anambra. Anambra is a clutter, disorderly and chaotic.

Anambra is like Ajegunle while Imo would be like Ikoyi.

Imo state is well planned and laid out. I wont mind coming back.

agadez007:
In the south east you don't have to walk about wearing helmets like they do in the waste side states,Your head is safe here unlike that region where they mine skulls for sport

Yeah. Im not anywhere nearby your Okija shrine and its 1000 mined skulls.

When I go out into bush I hold my own gaddem machette. There is a spare hidden underneath my trouser.

I told my hostess here I have allergy to meat.....zero tolerance for meat. I no dey craze now.

Dedetwo:
Metanonsensical:

If you are an Ijebu, I can now understand your silly obsession with anything Igbo. It is plain nonsense to remotely insinuate that the wealthiest Nigerians hailed from Ijebu land. Baring government handouts and frontal business, the wealthiest Nigerians are Igbo.

List the best five wealthiest Igbo in history, I will give you the best ten wealthiest Ijebu in Yoruba history.

Ijebus dont go to other lands to make their money, they are self made and resourceful. Ibo is not resourceful, you have to step out to make money on foreign soil. Four Yoruba groups are ahead of you in wealth foundry - Ijebu, Ibolo, Oro and Ijesha.

macof:
I have stated on this very thread a few patterns in the change of sounds that can be observed in the relationship between cognate words in Volta Niger (East Kwa) languages and their evolution from their original etymons.
Like gh - w, h, g eg. Money : Owo, Ogho, Igho, Ego/ You sg. : iwọ, ihọ, gi/ They : wọn, ghan, gha, ha.
Or kp - k eg. Hand: Apá [Akpá], Aka/ Frog : Ọpọlọ[Ọkpọlọ], Eko, Akolo .
Or l - n, r eg. Neck: Ọrùn, Olu, Onu / Ring : Òrùka, Oluka, Olaaka / Sky/Above : Ọ̀run, Ọlu, Elu / In/at : ni, li, na


And I am not even a linguist.. Meaning anybody with keen interest should be able to identify at least one pattern

Cognates don't need to look alike when written down if not Ìrìn and Iron should be Cognates. Apá would be Apart or A part.. and so on
Same lazy logic that made you say Ebora is Deborah and MetaPhysical said Ọranmiyan is Aramean and still stand on it till today

Again, I have told you the establishment of yoruba in Niger Congo is settled. You only further embarrass yourself by calling Yoruba a semitic language, when Yoruba doesn't possess any of the defining elements of a semitic language.
So I don't need to validate anything. You validate things in question not established facts. All I have to do is make citations to the works already done. I am not making a claim when I say Yoruba is Niger-Congo, I am stating a damn fact



I said every word you try to establish between Yoruba and Hebrew has a different pattern.. You have no Method
Simply patch work : like saying Apá = Apart or kẹ = care


Yoruba like all Niger Congo languages are not consonant dependent, rather meanings are formed by a combination of a single consonant sound and a single vowel with a given tone.
So pattern of evolution from etymon to several Cognates can be established through looking at both consonants and vowels as well as tones if studied properly.
This is what historical linguistics is all about

It is not like semitic languages that meanings are derived from combination of consonant sounds leaving little relevance to vowels. Plus semitic languages don't have tones

You don't eliminate vowels in Yorùbá and leave ordinary meaningless consonants. While consonants are not meaningless on their own in semitic languages, Kwa languages like Yoruba are a whole different ball game. Goes to show that you don't know what you are doing
You don't even understand Yoruba language


You can scream fake historian from now till next year. It won't help you prove your claims. I've told you my reasons for responding to you is to serve as the voice of reason in a sea of madness and irrational sentiments so people who do not know better can be exposed to that reason and we know that is what pains you because you want free rein to deceive gullible people
If I am a fake historian because you see me here mincing words with you, good because it is not about me but the content. Then listen to those who are renowned professors like Prof. Akintoye
Or he is also a fake historian?

You that claim to be a linguist (without training but by gift of God) but a none linguist is pointing out your errors

you always sound pained because you are frustrated with your mission to destroy Yoruba history. I told you you can't find headway. You and those that sent you might only succeed in deceiving people who never had interest in history but just want to identify as Hebrew. But nobody with basic historical knowledge is fooled
Would be nice to see you take your claims to any faculty of history. You will come back crying more than you do after reading my posts

PS. You are yet to point out where Robin law supports your nonsense.
You are a known fraud, you and olu. I have exposed you both on countless occasions mentioning scholars who do not support your claim


TAO11
lx3as
kayfra
BabaRamota1980

You stop using antagonism to provoke and incite others into sharing ideas and revelations for your secret works on a book. Collect ideas honestly, not through ona eburu (Hebrew).

I told you many times, as others have not minced words in sharing, you are fake linguist. You wait to see what others produce, you use it as keyword to obtain info from web records and respond with a counter. Pay attention to first paragraph in prexios response above. Pay attention and prove him wrong. Take action....be vexed by the challenge....open a thread and lead in with your linguistic kwa-kwa-kwa mumbo jumbo.

I stopped writing here and producing information after I suspected what you were doing, tested it myself and my suspicjon was confirmed in your counter rwsponse.

You press on the point of Yoruba and Ibo as co-origined but you refuse to delve underneath the surface and produce the phenomenal function for the terms on your list.

Conversely, every contributor on our side have given you the Yoruba spread, produced numerous words, their ideas, their root meanings, their applications and their phenomenal meaning.

A very good example is the APA. This is not even related with Arab or Hebrew or Egypt but with Europe.... the descendants of Roman and Greek civilizations.

So without any external prodding, your natural inquisitiveness - which is an instinctual response, not logic - should have fired up and be asking what in the world could have happened in remote past that gave direct linguistic link - without an internediary - between Yoruba and Greek? There is a consistency also in cultural symmetry between the two civilizations.....the deities, knowledge of constellations, arts.

Over the life of this thread I have produced numerous cognates and explained them. Olu has done same.



Im going to test your knowledge today. In your submission that Owo, Ogho, Ego are cognates and evidence Yoruba co-origin with Ibo and other kwas, go ahead and give the phemonemal function of OWO in Yoruba society. In other words, its etymology and function for the mundane. If I say Owo mi re (here is my money), there is an expression, which is explicitly on the surface but there is also a connection that is secured in that exchange. What role does Owo play in that exchange?

2prexios:
Chameleon professor. I've said it earlier that your facts never comes before but after: you are always enamored by the preceding inputs from the opponent, then comes such an amazing work of plagiarism.

Anybody with keen knowledge should see through the fact that your inputs above is clumsy, lack luster copy and paste job without individual language to correspond with each etymon for easy identification. Yet you claim to have written it.

Check Olu's table for ideas.



You are speaking out of sense here brother. Your golden rule is being broken by you in the same paragraph, iron and irin are your inputs, because both were similar in writing and means the same thing, iron.

How could something look similar when written down and means the same thing and then were not to be taken as cognates? You stopped where you stopped because that's how much you know.

But to you, it's a lazy logic to claim these are cognates. What makes you select this examples in the first instance? And what discouraged you from studying what they might likely have in common? You're a separatist.

Anyways, you have a crazy way of twisting things up afterwards. So iron is not a cognate with irin, just as apa is not a part or apart. To you, thinking in the affirmative is what we used to do, hence Debora is ebora, aramean is Oranmiyan.

My answers

Let's first figure out what cognate means: the word is derived from Latin "natus", meaning "born", as you have it in antenatal. So cognate don't even resemble the root word at all.

Then both targets the same idea. So cognate in English is cognate with natus in Latin, iron in English is cognate with irin in Yoruba, aramean in English is cognate with Oranmiyan in Yoruba.

Thus, the cognates that sounds similar and means the same thing are true cognates true friends, the ones that don't sound similar but are cognates (natus, cognate) are false cognates true friends.

How about Oranmiyan and aramean? This could be true cognates false friends. Just as you can't write it off at the face value, you can't conclude on it until proven otherwise. And the Debora is ebora, malicious mind, it rhymes.

Every scientific formulas should be blind to sentiment. It should work on its own and give repetitive result every time it's used. You are left to interpret the inputs and results in your own language.

Acid+base=salt+water: area=l×b, etc.

Doing the squeezing of water from stones

You said it's lazy to see apa as cognate with apart or a part. What work ethics is that? You the lazy one who makes categorical statements rather than do the job.

Some folks turn gold to stone and some, the other way around. You have enemies whatever you do. Aomari solution si.

Exercise 1

First, the etymology of the word apart trace to Latin, where it means "ad partem", so it's a loaned word for "to separate". The word apa in Yoruba is hand, or either side of a separate place.

To part ways in Yoruba is to y'apa. It's much like saying sorrow is cognate with isoro, as ro is to run, the point is, cognate is evidence of contact at some remote past through trade and ancestry

The homonym path, which means something else than part equally register with Yoruba for path, ipase, footpath, ipado, river path. Ipa is therefore a cognate with English path. Doing this is an exercise, not a lazy logic.



No one begs you to validate anything, you can't beat the reach and do what you can't do. If the establishment of Yoruba in Niger Congo is settled, use the technique to teach us why Odiyan is not Odion.

And the list you put up there are the names of the founding fathers of the Niger Congo abi? Keep deceiving yourself. You have your version of Yoruba history different from the traditions of the Yoruba ancestors via linguistics.



You have a problem with the truth, you don't know the difference between fact and hypothesis. Your problem is because you think in prints. You can't fathom fact on your own, so whatever appeals to you in a book is a fact.

How do you establish a fact when you can't squeeze fact from mulky deceptive data that has not been explored? Your damned facts are second hand hypothesis, you consume what you can't produce, so you are no authority to be.



You did this, but you didn't have the iota of knowledge that it's a tip of an iceberg. Ke is cognate with care, to protect, to nurture, to keep a fragile thing with care.

Exercise 2

Mo ke sibe ni o, or mo n ke lo ni o, (it's fragile), so I handle it with care. Ke is care in both fragile and careful handling.

Ke, to cry is synonymous with care, which is the obsolete English word for pain that preceeds crying. Observe how part and path has played out, then ke have it's own story too. So "!kereo!" is synonymous with cry out, announcement.

The protoword for care in Indo-European language is GehR-, and the Yoruba substitutes Ike with igeh. Elege, elegant, el ege, delicate like an egg or something, and our fathers says Odu, eleyinju ege, because she has delicate/elegant eyes.

These results shows consistent distribution of cognates between Yoruba and English. So in a set theory, both shares some valid attributes that can be validated. You validate what is valid.



You know this, but went ahead to use the same logic to transform owo and ego as cognates of common origin. This proofs you are not the original thinker in that input, for how would you arrive at protoword without omitting the vowels?

You were equally changing not just the vowels but the consonants too. So your technique is not definite but haphazard. Here's where you are inadvertently speaking against it. You have no scientific background as a pundit.



What language speak without vowels? Plus Semitic languages are not thought formed in English alphabets. Check this out: Alhmnasra, Allah humo nas ira. So, it's compression of ideas.

The Yoruba language says it all by tradition: alwa, aluwala. Nasr, nosiru, it's the fad of linguistic predominant in a culture. The language with tone is secondary language on the evolutionary wrung. So it's derived language.



Another perambulation. You don't understand what you mean by etymon. You have two formulas with you, one is clear and the other is clumsy. The clumsy formula will confuse you. It takes expertise to enlighten you.

Should you have known, it would be clear to you that the first column in Olu's table is "protoword" then the rows that follows compared how the protoword is pronounced and meaning to be deduced in targeted languages.

You don't have that understanding, yet you want to get everyone confused. Funny it's on this erroneous premises you are making an authoritative statement about how historical linguistics work, how? GIGO.



Thanks for the efforts bro, God will continue to give you more wisdom and knowledge and understanding. I will be here to make things easier and clearer anytime. Thinking differently help scholarship and absolute power corrupts.

Pardon my excesses some of the time. I've learned from your inputs on regular occasion, God bless you sir.



They are professors of history, not professors of Yoruba tradition. That minuscule difference means a lot. John Hunter Duvar gave us the three ages in human civilization, professor Akintoye abridged Yoruba history to the European fad.

In that one stroke, we wake up to a new historical dispensation: our tradition from antiquity about our origin no longer counts. The fact that the prof is a professor of history and not the professor of Yoruba tradition makes the difference.

If you find it suitable and convinient to question Samuel Johnson for putting sultan Bello's work in the spotlight, you can do the same for Professor Akintoye for selling out to linguistics. Then we can continue to pass the buck around.



Making mistakes is part of learning. We're all linguists, only that the practitioners devote to it as their profession. Languages make us wiser.



You have emotional problem bro. The hate is so much and get the best of you as if it's the only in the world that means anything to you. It's not a healthy way to live.



Amennnn and amen. What faculty of history offered Yoruba oral tradition as a core course? I don't force people to my findings, I only exposes my studies to people.

I may be right to myself and be wrong to you. Should I wrong myself to be right with you? You have a great education in the faculty of killing new light in the history of a people no matter how impressive.

I am living my choice, you can live your choice too. I have given you reasons why I won't bow to you. I have enlighten you. And, are you doing this to make me cry? Damn my tears are your joy then, that's something in it for you.



Bro, get the book and read!!! You won't die for crying out loud.



Kayfra of the pro-century language change fame, hope you are good? It's been a while since you make inputs here. Miss you.

May God bless us all in our various endeavors.

I have not seen you write like this in a while, bro. Excellent and on point!

May God continue to live efferverscently within and bubble you to the surface with knowledge and enlightenement. Ase Edumare!

Good morning my people!
Man pikin dey kampe. But we go dey busy around house today sha. No outing.

Later sha...

coolitempa:
Good luck to you eyan mi. I have no intention of visiting that side anytime soon. Even the people those there are waiting to run away. God forbid bad tin.

Lmao! Thats why Im incognito. Its nighttime, if you no hear from me daybreak dispatch Amotekun to come for my rescue bro.

omenka:
I heard Anambra belongs to Igalas. How true is this?

Yes, true. Thats why an Igalaman, Obiano, is governor....but APC is getting ready to take over Anambra.

Yorubamen are not interested in your nonsense Awka abeg. But you can change the interest though. You know the deal....

Cc
Aunto Tonto Dikeh
Precious
Biancah
Chidimma

ChoCho54:
Tell us more.

Metaphysical
Sarrki
Liondeleo ThatFairguy minorityopinion osaze007 Helinues

Thats Iboman in Aba. Look atbhis fake gucci clothe now. If dem no tell you u sef suppose to know.

His made in Aba clothes is revelation that na Iboman.

[s][quote author= post=91678015]Na Yoruba men and women dey bleach like this, , the guy be like you leaders MC Oluomo and Alafin of Oyo [/quote][/s]

Get me a Awka chick and tell her invite me to come for reunion. Anything less beautiful than Christina is not desired.

BoboNkiti19:
At least you are adventurous enough to travel and visit the SE, that's if at all you actually did travel East of the Niger. Maybe you will in the course of your stay learn a thing or two about the entrepreneurial spirit, ingenuity and dogged nature of the Igbos as you transverse each cities, towns and states etc... *clears throat* eh-ehem before I forgot to add, try learn the secret as to how Igbos come some hundreds of miles to tour region, buy up your lands and force your unimaginatively lazy men into crying to Tinubu over been displaced by Igbos

Welcome to the Eastside aburo

I dont need to leave Yorubaland to learn that. Ijebu people are the model for those attributes. Next to them are the Ibolo and Oro people. The wealthiest of Nigeria are in Ijebuland.

Notice to all my Igbo brothers. I love you all.

As long Im standing in the territory of Imo State, I represent the original spirit of the authentic Igbo. You fake Igbos of Anambra must talk to me and tremble before me in the same manner you fear and tremble before a man of Ohafia.

Dont see me as Yorubaman right now, Im in Biafra. Yes, Biafra. You will fear me and speak with respect because Im on Ohafia homeland.

deboysben:
Metaphysical if you are truly in alaigbo snap a picture of yours with a signboard of a paricular location you are.

You and who? I dey craze?

omenka:
Here is another ipob miscreant threatening me of fb, daring me to travel to Aba.

, come confess. No be you be dis?

[quote author= post=91677168]If truly he visited, I'm glad he did, I believe his parochial mind will change after the visit, he should visit Awka and Enugu to see the beauty of Igbo land[/quote]I dont go to East free. Wetin you get to bring me to Awka? U get fine babes there? Ehhn dash me one now. If she invite me I come.

I no fit just get up dey go Awka to tour...say wetin happen. Give me reason to come Awka. A damn good reason. You sef know nau.

omenka:
Is it the same Awka we know or the one in your fantasies?

Only mouth una sabi make. Abegi!

He is anti Nigeria.

Im going to map his location while im here. Next visit from python will not miss him.

[quote author= post=91677036][s][/s]
I doubt if you are in the east, fvk you with your dirty, smelling body Your brothers here in Awka hardly see Igbo ladies to friend, your brothers that can hardly feed themselves[/quote]Bloody bigot. A freaking bloody bigot.

Im trying to build bridge between West and East and see how we can make 2023 a Ibo presidency. Ive been invited to come East by a beautiful exotic chick to kick start a new Nigeria. Listen to how this bigot is trying to destroy it.

Its people like you why I am undercover, if you catch me here, Ahhh, na only God go secure my escape. Bloody bigot, fake Igbo. True Igbo men are in Imo state.

, You need Jesus!

ChoCho54:
Na true

Na Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani women do that.

Ibo women no sabi dat kind thing, no corrupt them o.

omenka:
Did you see this ipob witch on your arrival?

She has been threatening me on fb.

Hahahahahahaha....

[quote author= post=91676875]Be frank to yourself after you left west from Ogun and all the villages when you get to Delta viewing Onitsha how do you feel don't lie [/quote]This is one of the biggest bigots in Africa. Watch out for this guy.

ChoCho54:
First you are in Imo...

Then in Ohafia...

Then an Afikpo chic is using your ballz for rubbing practice, all in one place.

You have taken this metaphysical nonsense too far

She is indigene of Afikpo. Her people from there. She was born there. When she turned five she was sent to live with her sister in Surulere, stayed there and finished secondary. Went to Benin for higher education. She has been going between Benin and East on business.

Amebo, why this thing worry you?

ChoCho54:
Omo Igbo ti sin o*o fun e je

Onisokuso.

zionmde:
sharrap. Igbos dont support violence. If dats wat dat stuupid kanu is preaching then he should come home and lead d war front. Everybody irrespective of their opinion is free and safe to go around anywhere in Igbo land.

Thats been my experience so far here in Mbaise. I cant speak for anywhere else in iboland. Onitsha was very free, its like Lagos, people know who you are but dont care.

fx45:
Metaphysical nwanne, we're waiting to give you a grand reception in Aba. Just come and shout 'Lamidi Cownu is a scammer'

No be me and you.

Osaze007:
Share picture of their poto poto region

I don take plenty picture as we dey come through different villages. After you pass Onitsha rest of Iboland is like the village my great great ancestor lived in. When we reach Owerri I was delighted, its lively. APC tried for Imo State.

Sam Mbakwe is a great legend here people love him and everything is referenced to his time.

Ibos are bigots. Every conversation is about Yoruba, afonja, iberibe. They are bloody bigots. I dont understand their language but i can pick when they talk bad about Yoruba. I didnt want to show im Yoruba but few of them in the bus knew.

Hey, look here,.....Ibo girls are ready to fvk anything from Westside. Come see as they rush Ibo guys that dropped off at Onitsha. Chai!

I don turn to undercover photographer, i dont want them to know what im doing or who i am. . I go load them when i return. This is Ngwa territory, the legendary Arochuckwu and Abiriba, I want to return home in one piece.